--- Log opened Mon May 02 00:00:11 2022 00:36 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-78-102-216-202.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:49 -!- spaceangel_ [~spaceange@ip-78-102-216-202.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:53 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-78-102-216-202.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:22 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:21 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@dau94-2-82-66-65-160.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:02 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@2601:5c4:c780:6aa0::93] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:52 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@dau94-2-82-66-65-160.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.0] 06:02 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@dau94-2-82-66-65-160.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:02 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@dau94-2-82-66-65-160.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Client Quit] 06:04 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@dau94-2-82-66-65-160.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:19 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@dau94-2-82-66-65-160.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.0] 06:23 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@dau94-2-82-66-65-160.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:44 -!- Llamamoe [~Llamamoe@178235178155.dynamic-4-waw-k-1-2-0.vectranet.pl] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:47 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@user/malvolio] has quit [Quit: brb] 07:51 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@user/malvolio] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:12 -!- xaete [~user12345@2607:9880:1a40:73:a6:bf3f:df93:a2f4] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:32 -!- saxo [~saxo@2001:19f0:6800:1102:5400:ff:fe11:39a1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:32 -!- saxo [~saxo@2001:19f0:6800:1102:5400:ff:fe11:39a1] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:32 < saxo> nsh: waxwing pathcoin blogpost yet? 08:35 -!- xaete [~user12345@wn-campus-nat-129-97-124-1.dynamic.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:42 -!- xaete [~user12345@wn-campus-nat-129-97-124-1.dynamic.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:44 -!- xaete [~user12345@wn-campus-nat-129-97-124-1.dynamic.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:07 -!- Molly_Lucy [~Molly_Luc@user/Molly-Lucy/x-8688804] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:26 -!- xaete [~user12345@wn-campus-nat-129-97-124-1.dynamic.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:28 -!- xaete [~user12345@wn-campus-nat-129-97-124-1.dynamic.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:29 -!- xaete [~user12345@wn-campus-nat-129-97-124-1.dynamic.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:30 -!- xaete [~user12345@wn-campus-nat-129-97-124-1.dynamic.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:36 -!- xaete [~user12345@wn-campus-nat-129-97-124-1.dynamic.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:48 -!- spaceangel_ [~spaceange@ip-78-102-216-202.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:48 -!- spaceangel_ [~spaceange@ip-78-102-216-202.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:52 < maaku> .title https://www.notboring.co/p/hadrian-ex-machina-ad-lunam?s=w 10:52 < saxo> Hadrian: Ex Machina Ad Lunam 10:52 < maaku> not sure if I got open tab from this channel or elsewhere 10:53 < maaku> might be up your ally lsneff 11:31 < lsneff> Indeed, I follow the ceo on tw I believe 11:32 < lsneff> The name is somewhat ominous 11:36 < docl> I might be finally getting adhd meds tomorrow. got my blood pressure down to around 130/90 11:53 -!- Llamamoe [~Llamamoe@178235178155.dynamic-4-waw-k-1-2-0.vectranet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:26 < lsneff> Very nice! 12:28 -!- spaceangel_ [~spaceange@ip-78-102-216-202.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:30 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-78-102-216-202.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:30 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-78-102-216-202.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:31 < muurkha> that's great, docl 12:32 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-78-102-216-202.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:33 < docl> yeah I'm excited. I'm also in the middle of trying to quit nicotine gum. I'm on the third day of zero nicotine (after having tried to taper down for a few weeks). I think bupropion is partly to credit for that 12:35 < muurkha> nice 12:36 < muurkha> what have you found nicotine useful for? other than getting you hooked, which is anti-useful 12:37 < docl> I had a pretty heavy addiction, 220 pieces of 4mg every 2 weeks. originally it was just to focus sometimes, and I wouldn't do more than 1 piece a day, but I upped my dose during my first time getting sick with covid and it stuck at 10+ pieces/day 12:37 < docl> which is enough that it would have given me a headache if I'd tried it before 12:38 < docl> I had an amazon subscription 12:38 < docl> it helps you form habits in general and substitutes for caffeine to some extent 12:39 < docl> I wouldn't drink even 1 pot of coffee most days while I was hooked. now that I'm in the process of getting clean I have more than 1 pot, which is how much I drank before 12:40 < docl> I'm thinking I should attack the caffeine addiction next, but I don't want to tangle with both forms of withdrawal at the same time 12:43 < docl> I liked that nicotine was a stimulant I could take immediately upon waking, instead of waiting for a coffee pot. and it didn't give me jitters like high dose caffeine 12:44 < docl> one thing I hoped nicotine would help with but didn't was weight loss / appetite control 12:45 < docl> I've actually gained weight since I got hooked 12:52 < docl> apparently vyvanse is supposed to help with appetite control as well. probably true of most stimulants 12:55 < kanzure> apparently there is a cryonics bunker in houston called mothership, can't find evidence of it 13:08 < muurkha> yes, amphetamines, nicotine, and caffeine have been known to be effective appetite suppressants for a century or more 13:10 < docl> I'm not sure that's true of caffeine 13:10 < muurkha> I think for caffeine it's been known for several centuries 13:10 < docl> although it may depend on individuals biology 13:13 < fenn> chocolate for breakfast, like in stalingrad 13:13 < docl> .title https://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20180731/caffeine-not-a-dieters-friend 13:13 < saxo> Caffeine Not a Dieter's Friend – WebMD 13:14 < docl> apparently people given coffee ate slightly less for breakfast, but then ate more later in the day to make up for it 13:15 -!- mirage335 [~mirage335@64.79.52.86] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:15 -!- mirage335 [~mirage335@64.79.52.86] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:16 < muurkha> interesting, did they keep drinking coffee later in the day? 13:17 < docl> sounds like no. it's hard to get enough sleep if you drink coffee all day 13:18 < fenn> it's certainly easier to exercise while on caffeine 13:19 < docl> part of my reasoning for replacing caffeine with nicotine is that nicotine has a much shorter half life, so I expected I could use it to stay up later and not prevent sleep. my typical sleep time did drop, so maybe that was a success 13:20 < fenn> is there some sort of space cryonics culture in houston? housing the mostly-dead in cold asteroids? 13:22 < fenn> shorter half life = more addictive, usually 13:24 < docl> makes sense, they make extended release versions of amphetemine to reduce the addictive potential 13:25 < docl> having the level of the drug drop suddenly makes you look for another hit 13:27 < fenn> the annoying thing about "AI enhanced" photography is that even genuine photos will have the same painterly artifacts as the fully synthetic ones, so nobody will be able to learn what looks fake 13:28 < fenn> the new iPhones have it 13:32 -!- mirage335 [~mirage335@64.79.52.86] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:32 -!- mirage335 [~mirage335@64.79.52.86] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:34 -!- spaceangel_ [~spaceange@ip-78-102-216-202.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:35 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-78-102-216-202.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:08 < fenn> (thread) 14:08 < fenn> .tw 1513128005828165634 14:08 < saxo> Second order effects of the rise of large language models: (@russelljkaplan) 14:08 < fenn> er.. 14:08 < fenn> http://twitter.com/i/status/1513128005828165634 15:20 -!- spaceangel_ [~spaceange@ip-78-102-216-202.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:41 < muurkha> fenn: neat 17:16 < maaku> docl: sounds like you'd do better with amphetamines 17:16 < maaku> similar effects as you report for nicotine, but longer lasting, can take it right away on getting up, and without the side effects of coffee 17:40 < kanzure> has different side effects :) 17:51 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/perrymetzger/status/1521146052962832384 17:51 < saxo> @ESRogs @zetalyrae It has nothing from the first years of the mailing list whatsoever. That means it’s 100% incomplete for that stuff. (@perrymetzger, in reply to tw:1521145501566922753) 17:51 < kanzure> https://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/extropians/raided-mailing-list-archives/archives/ 17:52 < fenn> ^side effects like increasing an already dangerously high blood pressure 17:53 < kanzure> https://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/extropians/tarchives/raided-mailing-list-archives.tar.gz 19:12 -!- xaete [~user12345@2607:9880:1a40:73:7d67:d138:a9c4:d42d] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:24 < jrayhawk> fresh vince paperdump https://www.anti-agingfirewalls.com/2022/05/02/deeper-into-the-epigenetics-of-younging-1-1-interactions-of-h3k9-h3k4-h3k27-h3k79-and-bivalent-histone-post-translational-modification-pmt-domains/ 19:40 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@2601:5c4:c780:6aa0::93] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:47 -!- rndhouse_ [rndhouse@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/rndhouse] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:49 -!- rndhouse [rndhouse@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/rndhouse] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:10 < muurkha> maaku: being longer lasting means you *have* to take it early 20:18 < fenn> aren't we living in the future with hypodermic needle ratbots that inject you before your daily wage slave mandatory activity 20:18 < fenn> "they inject you while you sleep" 20:19 < fenn> cue 1950s TV theme music 20:20 < fenn> be productive, be effective, be obedient, contribute to society, engage in prosocial activity 20:20 < fenn> who wouldn't want a ratbot? it's unthinkable 20:24 < fenn> "The dim light of one in the morning, the moonlight from the open sky framed through the great window, touched here and there on the brass and copper and the steel of the faintly trembling beast. Light flickered on bits of ruby glass and on sensitive capillary hairs in the nylon-brushed nostrils of the creature that quivered gently, its eight legs spidered under it on rubber padded paws." 20:32 < fenn> .tw http://twitter.com/100YearsAgoLive/status/1467208886105083916 20:32 < saxo> “A Problem for Washington: Bombing by Wireless.” DC military analysts are terrified by the new concept that radio-controlled, self-propelled bombs could fall on America any day. With the rise of amateur radio technicians, anyone can put such a device together in his garage. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFyStDlXMAYDCPz.jpg (@100YearsAgoLive) 20:32 < fenn> (1921 newspaper) 20:33 < fenn> so what happened? or didn't happen? 20:35 < muurkha> well, now we call them "guided missiles" 20:36 < fenn> why didn't every disgruntled ham radio operator blow up the nearest governor's mansion or whatever 20:36 < muurkha> they are indeed a significant aspect of modern warfare 20:38 < muurkha> and jamming has also been a significant aspect of modern warfare since WWII, maybe since the 01920s 20:40 < fenn> do you think there was some government agency that was able to detect and respond in realtime to an unidentified remote controlled flying bomb, in the 20th century? 20:40 < muurkha> yes, the air force does that all the time and has since WWII 20:40 < muurkha> but by and large missile defense efforts have not been that effective 20:40 < fenn> i mean one launched from US soil toward a US target 20:40 < muurkha> at least until the Patriot fiasco in the Gulf War I 20:40 < muurkha> no, people mostly didn't do that 20:41 < muurkha> maybe there weren't that many disgruntled hams, but also 20:41 < fenn> have people just been getting more disgruntled? 20:41 < muurkha> I think it turned out to be harder than expected to build guided missiles; remember that in the 01920s not only they didn't know about feedback, they didn't have VOR or vidicon tubes 20:42 < fenn> launch from a hilltop and use a telescope for guidance 20:42 < muurkha> well, until the 01990s you could easily buy as much ammonium nitrate as you wanted in the US, and you could mail packages anonymously 20:42 < muurkha> also though 20:43 < muurkha> every time you cross a street with cars, you're trusting the people driving the cars to not swerve to run over you 20:43 < fenn> haha no i imagine the cars are malicious entities that are trying to run me over, and only cross when it's not possible for them to do so 20:43 < muurkha> every random traveler is trusting that highwaymen won't rob him at gunpoint on the highway and then murder him to cover their tracks 20:44 < fenn> that's contradictory to your previous observation that cars are weapons 20:45 < muurkha> highwaymen can block the road, it's not that hard. half a dozen truck tires is enough, especially if they're on fire 20:45 < muurkha> every time you buy food you're trusting that nobody has injected cyanide into it in the grocery store with a hypodermic 20:45 < fenn> burning tires would be visible from a dozen miles away 20:45 < muurkha> unless it's one of those stores where all the food is kept behind the counter 20:45 < muurkha> yeah, they make quite a plume 20:46 < muurkha> but basically most of the time most people are pretty peaceful 20:46 < muurkha> they don't go around trying to figure out how they can get away with bombing things 20:46 < fenn> even in the twenties there were a hundred million americans 20:47 < muurkha> and when they do they usually screw it up even when their methods don't include complicated things like guided missiles 20:47 < fenn> USAnians 20:47 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:50 < muurkha> you know any time you're in a crowd, like at a protest or a parade or a standing-room-only concert, someone could whip out a butterfly knife, jam it into your solar plexus, wipe it off on your shirt, fold it up, put it away, and fastwalk away before you realized you'd been stabbed 20:50 < fenn> yeah and that happens too 20:50 < muurkha> but not very often 20:50 < fenn> i'm pretty sure someone on freenode has done it 20:50 < fenn> er, libera, whatever 20:50 < muurkha> oh? who? 20:50 < fenn> HailSatan 20:50 < muurkha> not familiar 20:51 < muurkha> and you remember the Las Vegas shooter? a rifle can easily kill random people a couple of km away if there's a crowd 20:51 < fenn> sure but it takes a special kind of derangement to want to kill random people 20:51 < muurkha> I was walking down the street one day a couple of years ago 20:51 < muurkha> it was raining 20:51 < muurkha> a large block of concrete thudded next to me on the sidewalk 20:52 < muurkha> about the size of my two fists together, but three times as dense 20:52 < fenn> where did it come from? 20:52 < muurkha> it had fallen off a deteriorating balcony about 8 meters above 20:52 < muurkha> if it had hit me on the head it would have killed me 20:53 < fenn> clearly we should ban concrete 20:53 < muurkha> most buildings between 5 and 20 stories have places that someone could drop rocks from, this was a common medieval warfare tactic 20:53 < muurkha> "crenellations"/"matacanes" 20:56 < muurkha> on purpose, I mean, rather than from gradual deterioration 20:56 -!- xaete [~user12345@2607:9880:1a40:73:7d67:d138:a9c4:d42d] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:56 < muurkha> basically most people put their lives at the mercy of the random people around them a thousand times a day 20:56 -!- xaete [~user12345@2607:9880:1a40:73:41e9:59cf:3d68:3719] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:24 -!- xaete [~user12345@2607:9880:1a40:73:41e9:59cf:3d68:3719] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:24 -!- xaete [~user12345@cpe688f2ec6e533-cm688f2ec6e530.cpe.net.fido.ca] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:42 -!- xaete [~user12345@cpe688f2ec6e533-cm688f2ec6e530.cpe.net.fido.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42 -!- xaete [~user12345@2607:9880:1a40:73:5e0b:4dd4:cab0:1ec1] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:41 < fenn> this is a sizable effect, much larger than i expected: https://stackoverflow.blog/2017/06/15/developers-use-spaces-make-money-use-tabs/ 22:41 < fenn> .title 22:41 < saxo> Developers Who Use Spaces Make More Money Than Those Who Use Tabs - Stack Overflow Blog 23:01 < muurkha> fenn: interesting, I'd forgotten about this 23:02 < muurkha> I wonder why? 23:02 < fenn> obvs because tabs are stupid and anyone using tabs is a dum-dum 23:04 * fenn sets out a warm bowl of flamebait for the night critters and goes to bed 23:04 < muurkha> fashion, you mean? but you'd think that controlling for programming language would cover that --- Log closed Tue May 03 00:00:12 2022