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00:08 < fenn> same
01:20 < nsh> .t https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETau7M0eAqw
01:20 < saxo> Coolio - Kinda High, Kinda Drunk - YouTube
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06:20 < kanzure> https://archives.seul.org/mixminion/dev/Dec-2004/msg00010.html
06:20 < kanzure> https://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/bluesky/2001-March.txt
06:23 < kanzure> https://cryptome.org/rpow.htm
06:23 < kanzure> just some fun stuff from the archives..
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07:56 < docl> vyvanse seems to work well for me so far. I'm cutting my caffeine and still avoiding nicotine. first dose was yesterday at noon. today's dose was early morning
08:02 < kanzure> yea earlier is better until you know how it affects your ability to sleep
08:15 < docl> yeah it made it harder but not impossible. I think I got about 6hr
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08:24 < docl> adlai: I'm thinking of trying volumetric dosing for vyvanse. partly because then I can spread the effect more consistently over more time, but also because I might be able to stretch the supply longer by using less than a full pill a day
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09:39 < maaku> docl: glad vyvanse is working for you
09:40 < maaku> stay the hell away from caffeine while using it though!
09:41 < maaku> docl: in my experience (30mg vyvanse daily) (1) I need to remember to eat and sleep, which become optional activities
09:42 < maaku> (2) I sleep 1-2 hours less, and wakeup feeling refreshed, but if I go more than a day off meds I can easily sleep in through half the day
09:43 < maaku> not sure if that is catchup on sleep, withdrawal symptoms, or what
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11:13 < lsneff> Interesting that you end up being able to function with less sleep
11:14 < lsneff> Do you find that you’re impaired in any way when you sleep less on vyvance2?
11:17 < docl> I had 1 cup of coffee this morning because I didn't want to have caffeine withdrawals by going off it too suddenly, but I'll cut back. and maybe try taking some days with no stimulants at all
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11:19 < docl> nicotine craving went way down once I got vyvanse in my system. not too surprising
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11:25 < maaku> docl: it affects everyone differently, but the one time I had a strongly caffeinated drink on vyvanse I spent the rest of the day lying in bed trying to will my heart rate back down from >130bpm
11:25 < maaku> admittedly I was on a higher dosage at the time
11:26 < maaku> lsneff: impaired? I'm impaired every waking moment of my life that I'm _not_ on vyvanse
11:27 < maaku> but no, there's no observable effect due to lack of sleep, although that wouldn't be something I'd expect self-reports to be reliable on
11:27 < maaku> I just go from needing 7-8 hours of sleep to needing 5-6 hours. I wake up refreshed.
11:28 < kanzure> i wonder if we could make a vaccine for morning brainfog
11:28 < maaku> But if I skip medication for a few days, it does wipe me out. As I said before I don't know if this is my body catching up on sleep, or an unrelated phenomenon due to chemical dependency
11:29 < kanzure> for me brainfog is distinct from the feeling of not having had enough sleep
11:30 < maaku> definately different causes, but similar end results no?
11:34 < serge74> what is vyvanse
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11:38 < docl> Lisdexamfetamine
11:38 < maaku> serge74: an ADHD medication that is like an all-day adderall
11:39 < serge74> oh nice
11:39 < serge74> it is like amphetamie ?
11:39 < docl> breaks down into amphetamine in your intestine
11:40 < maaku> serge74: it's an amphetamie pro-drug
11:40 < serge74> interesting !
11:40 < maaku> one pill in the morning, which your body slowly breaks down into amphetamine over the course of the day, so it lasts 10+ hours
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11:41 < maaku> without the up/down spikes of instant-release adderall
11:50 < maaku> lsneff: I updated atomCAD to get it to build (due to cargo bit rot), and tested it on apple M1
11:51 < maaku> I'm going to try to devote half a day each week to it
11:51 < maaku> would be intersted to know if there is anything you think should be done differently that isn't reflected in the current repo, given the amount of time that has passed
12:04 < lsneff> Ooo
12:04 < lsneff> I haven’t kept up with rendering in rust
12:04 < lsneff> Bevy is getting pretty mature I believe
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12:18 < maaku> you think switching to a game engine would be preferable over the rending backend you started on?
12:18 < maaku> what you did works and seems plenty fast enough, so I'm hesitant to throw it out
12:55 < kanzure> https://github.com/google/keytransparency/blob/master/docs/overview.md
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14:52 < kanzure> "you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it run ./configure && make && make install."
14:52 < kanzure> https://blog.trailofbits.com/2022/05/03/themes-from-real-world-crypto-2022/
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15:14 < kanzure> microscope hardware https://www.nature.com/articles/s41592-022-01484-5
15:16 < kanzure> https://realscreen.com/2022/05/05/hot-docs-22-make-people-better-explores-gene-editing-and-ethics-of-designer-babies/
15:38 < serge74> what happens if u make a horse smoke crack
15:39 < kanzure> u wot?
15:42 < serge74> just wondering haha
15:43 < serge74> maaku: is there some cloud service which can 3d print models made with atomCAD or something similar ?
15:43 < kanzure> https://makepeoplebetterfilm.com/film/
15:43 < kanzure> there are many 3d printing cloud services.
15:43 < serge74> i mean for nanotech
15:55 < maaku> serge74: no, not yet
15:56 < maaku> though much down the pipeline I would like to support DNA origami, which could be made-to-order
15:59 < serge74> im terrified by grey goo but in the same time i would like to make it
15:59 < serge74> i would make the cadillac of grey goos
16:00 < maaku> serge74: grey goo is not something that could be made accidentally
16:00 < serge74> i would organize grey goo competitions, grey goo guiness records
16:01 < serge74> ye im satanic
16:01 < serge74> >:D
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16:03 < serge74> imagine grey goos fighting each other
16:03 < serge74> thats the robot combat of the future
16:03 < serge74> the goo that completely eats the other goo, wins
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16:20 < kanzure> this is not how you do signature verification https://web3py.readthedocs.io/en/stable/web3.eth.account.html#verify-a-message
16:38 < lsneff> serge74: if there was a service to do nanofabrication at the level that atomcad currently models things, we’d be living in a very different world
16:40 < serge74> it would be absolutely great !
16:41 < serge74> maybe in couple of years
16:41 < serge74> i can see some car seed that u seed in the soil, and a car grows
16:43 < serge74> maybe not in soil but u get the idea
16:44 < serge74> maybe some blood plasma like mixture
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18:47 < muurkha> fenn: solarpunk as I understand it is all about creating abundance in material goods out of abundant solar energy.  bright green, not deep green
18:49 < muurkha> of course in 02008 they didn't realize solar energy would become *cheaper* than oil: https://republicofthebees.wordpress.com/2008/05/27/from-steampunk-to-solarpunk/
18:50 < muurkha> but I guess that post is still pretty scarcity-centered
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19:13 < lsneff> Solarpunk is, in part, a response to increasing scarcity
19:16 < fenn> it's kind of amazing that a modern kite sail powered ship can only get 20% fuel savings
19:20 < fenn> "Because SkySails Power kites fly crosswind, they achieve very high inflow speeds. The current system achieves velocities that are five times higher than the wind speed. Because the tractive force is square to the inflow speed, SkySails Power kites reach forces that are 25 times greater than in static flight. Therefore, the aerodynamic area required to generate high power is tiny in relative
19:20 < fenn> terms."
19:20 < fenn> "The weight of the kite depends on its size. A 200 m² kite weighs about 50 kg"
19:21 < fenn> why not scale it up? there's always wind blowing at higher altitudes
19:23 < fenn> i guess they have pivoted to a stationary power generation business
19:33 < muurkha> lsneff: what, increasing scarcity in 02008?  of what?
19:34 < muurkha> maybe the massive oil price spike that year?
19:35 < lsneff> Increasing scarcity for normal people
19:35 < muurkha> lsneff: of what?
19:35 < muurkha> fenn: interesting, that does seem mysterious?
19:36 < lsneff> slack
19:36 < muurkha> slack in what?
19:36 < muurkha> or do you mean the Discordian metaphysical quantity?
19:37 < muurkha> I'm not optimistic SkySails can make a go of it if Makani couldn't
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20:54 < lsneff> maaku: I watched the zyvex presentation
20:54 < lsneff> That’s actually fascinating
20:54 < lsneff> That’s the kind of tech you could use to make basic nanomachinery
20:55 < lsneff> The qubit thing is cool, but it’s possibly the least influential result of that kind of tech
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21:04 < maaku> lsneff: I know, right? but the qubit thing is the only thing that'll pay the bills :\
21:04 < maaku> I was skeptical of zyvex's approach until I saw the results shown in that video
21:06 < maaku> they've clearly demonstrated atomically precise 3d (2.5d?) printing of crystalline silicon and that could have a lot of use cases
21:07 < maaku> there's a lot of instances in the images they show of nearby atoms getting blasted off, but I get the impression that if they move the tip and ramp up the voltage slowly enough they can get low error rates
21:07 < lsneff> And that video is from nearly a decade ago
21:07 < maaku> so it's just a matter of fine-tuning that
21:07 < maaku> yeah
21:07 < maaku> they've been rather quiet since
21:08 < maaku> does make me wonder if they got served with a NSL
21:08 < lsneff> And there’s cbn nano as well
21:08 < lsneff> NSL?
21:08 < maaku> national security letter
21:08 < lsneff> Ugh
21:08 < maaku> .title https://www.eff.org/issues/national-security-letters/faq
21:08 < saxo> National Security Letters: FAQ | Electronic Frontier Foundation
21:12 < lsneff> You know, that nanopatterning approach really doesn’t seem that difficult
21:12 < lsneff> UHV is hard though
21:15 < maaku> as always with atomic force microscopy, it's the sharp tip that is the hard part
21:16 < maaku> Zyvex (apparently?) has some sort of proprietary solution here
21:16 < maaku> as does the calteach AMO team which got bought up by CBN Nano
21:22 < lsneff> It really frustrates me how closed down all this is
21:22 < lsneff> When tech is developed behind closed doors, it’s never explored to anywhere close to its full potential
21:22 < maaku> the zyvex video lsneff is talking about
21:22 < maaku> .tw 1522413211793862656
21:22 < saxo> @miketwenty1 @murchandamus @ercwl @pwuille This is relatively mature technology out of Zyvex Labs, using equipment derived from tools that are in common use throughout the semiconductor industry. You can see a talk showing how far they were five years ago, which was already impressive: // https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ea4T7PgmLs (@MarkFriedenbach, in reply to tw:1522412429606481920)
21:24 < maaku> lsneff: that's elite-level manufacturing in a nutshell. processes are considered trade secrets and very valuable
21:27 < lsneff> What a scourge on society
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