--- Log opened Wed May 11 00:00:20 2022
00:54 < nsh> not all technology is praxic/physicalist
00:55 < nsh> previously dominant civilisations had better mentalist/spiritualist technologies, some of which survive in places better isolated from the onslaught of the current mode of civilisation/conquest/domination
00:55 < nsh> but with the paradox that to the extent we might be appraised of them to that extent they'd be at risk of being erased
00:56 < nsh> by some or other manner of inquisition
00:56 < nsh> or chinese communist party
00:56 < nsh> or ethno-settler genocide
00:56 < maaku> you must have a broad definition of 'technology'
00:56 < nsh> the entities contacted via DMT etc. cannot be easily imagined to use any physicalist technology
00:57 < nsh> indeed, its breadth was connoted by adding 'praxic/physicalist' to your narrower apprehension
00:57 < nsh> :)
00:57 < nsh> surely we have all read Anathem?
00:58 < nsh> that's enough to allow for the distinction
00:58 < nsh> or perhaps following that story some civilisation just gets as far as neo-matter and can dispense with the rest
00:58 < nsh> or perhaps programmable physics converges on spiritual attainment
00:59 < nsh> depending on whether one's metaphysics makes the one or the other downstream or upstream
01:01 < muurkha> Anathem is fiction
01:01 < muurkha> so are the machine elves
01:02 < muurkha> though you might enjoy https://slatestarcodex.com/2015/04/21/universal-love-said-the-cactus-person/
01:02 < muurkha> which is also fiction
01:03 < nsh> a fiction universally agreed upon excuse the conceit of fact
01:03 < nsh> *excuses
01:03 < nsh> and one doesn't blame the [wilfully] colour-blind for not believing in shades and hues
01:04 < nsh> "actual superhuman beings and not just psychedelic hallucinations" the entire article depends on whether this dichotomy is justifiable
01:04 < nsh> so i'll not pamper your pope further 
01:05 < nsh> being as he is just a consistent psychedelic hallucination
01:05 < nsh> whose objective existence i cannot measure by factoring biprimes
01:05 < nsh> but if he were close enough to slap i'd allow my palm to revise the point
01:12 < nsh> (and indeed if our philosophy towards the 'real' cannot be informed by fiction then Jonathon Swift wasted his time and energies)
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07:21 < docl> https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/umbmub/a_tattoo_detailing_instructions_on_how_to/
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08:14 < kanzure> BLS12-381 library https://medium.com/supranational/introducing-blst-2b6a988d68ee audit https://research.nccgroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/NCC_Group_EthereumFoundation_ETHF002_Report_2021-01-20_v1.0.pdf
08:38 < kanzure> acoustic key extraction http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/~tromer/acoustic/ "Here, we describe a new acoustic cryptanalysis key extraction attack, applicable to GnuPG's current implementation of RSA. The attack can extract full 4096-bit RSA decryption keys from laptop computers (of various models), within an hour, using the sound generated by the computer during the decryption of some chosen ...
08:38 < kanzure> ...ciphertexts. We experimentally demonstrate that such attacks can be carried out, using either a plain mobile phone placed next to the computer, or a more sensitive microphone placed 4 meters away."
08:39 < kanzure> ok now they are just showing off:
08:39 < kanzure> "Beyond acoustics, we demonstrate that a similar low-bandwidth attack can be performed by measuring the electric potential of a computer chassis. A suitably-equipped attacker need merely touch the target computer with his bare hand, or get the required leakage information from the ground wires at the remote end of VGA, USB or Ethernet cables."
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10:24 < kanzure> "Trilobite-inspired neural nanophotonic light-field camera with extreme depth-of-field" https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-29568-y#Fig6
10:28 < maaku> .title https://technology.nasa.gov/virtual-event/nasa-ames-carbon-nanotube-instrumentation-technologies
10:28 < saxo> NASA Ames Carbon Nanotube Instrumentation Technologies | T2 Portal
10:29 < maaku> 1PM pacific time webinar on NASA Ames research on carbon nanotube instrumentation
10:30 < fenn> .title http://thepowerofpoop.com 
10:30 < saxo> The Power of Poop - Promoting safe accessible fecal transplant The Power of Poop
10:31 < fenn> "please note that stool banks will not sell fecal microbiota to patients directly and that in the US your doctor can only use FMT to treat C diff"
10:31 < fenn> time for a dark web poop bank
10:32 < muurkha> dark poop, challenging the power of big poop
10:38 < maaku> where can I get that sweet olympian-level poop?
10:41 < kanzure> considering modern olympic construction standards, probably from the drinking water at the olympics.
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12:16 < kanzure> https://github.com/shroudedcode/apk-mitm
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14:33 < kanzure> https://security.googleblog.com/2017/01/security-through-transparency.html
14:33 < kanzure> https://github.com/google/keytransparency
14:55 < kanzure> using contention as a sidechannel https://nebelwelt.net/blog/20190306-SMoTherSpectre.html
14:57 < muurkha> is using contention as a sidechannel new?
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15:03 < muurkha> this `load` mnemonic for amd64 is a new one on me
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16:10 < docl> .tw https://twitter.com/mattkrisiloff/status/1524390629442162688
16:10 < saxo> I learned yesterday there are four different teams making serious attempts to form artificial womb startups. // Very cool times! (@mattkrisiloff)
16:12 < fenn> but for like, implanting in a human right?
16:23 < muurkha> that would just be in vitro fertilization, wouldn't it?
16:29 < fenn> but muh genderz
16:30 < fenn> if a baby grows on your desk, it doesn't really count somehow
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17:46 < xaete> now we just need a way to genetically modify those babies...
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18:10 < fenn> and grow them from resurrected fibroblasts carefully scraped out of old letters
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18:51 < kanzure> has there been any development in solid phase peptide synthesis reactions?
18:51 < kanzure> like minimizing the reaction site to reduce side effects
19:06 < kanzure> .title https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fevo.2015.00129/full
19:06 < saxo> Frontiers | A Ribosome Without RNA | Ecology and Evolution
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19:12 < kanzure> photoswitchable tRNA polymerase using protein fusion technique https://chemistry-europe.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/cbic.201900298
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19:17 < kanzure> hmm memories https://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/2017-02-03-beacon.pdf
19:24 < kanzure> .title https://patents.google.com/patent/US10913966B2
19:24 < saxo> US10913966B2 - Enzymatic circuits for molecular sensors         - Google Patents
19:28 < kanzure> "Driving current through single organic molecules" https://arxiv.org/pdf/cond-mat/0106219.pdf
19:33 < kanzure> .title https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/la503094k
19:33 < saxo> Just a moment...
19:35 < kanzure> "A molecular biology approach to protein coupling at a biosensor interface" https://www.repository.cam.ac.uk/bitstream/handle/1810/253724/Hall%20et%20al%202016%20Trends%20in%20Analytical%20Chemistry.pdf?sequence=1
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22:59 < nmz787> https://www.heritagenetwork.ox.ac.uk/article/ivy-walls-research-project
22:59 < nmz787> .title
22:59 < saxo> Ivy on Walls Research Project | Oxford University Heritage Network
22:59 < nmz787> link to the phase 2 report: https://research.historicengland.org.uk/Report.aspx?i=15604
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