--- Log opened Mon May 23 00:00:31 2022
01:06 < muurkha> the AVR isn't that tiny, it has 32K of Flash
01:07 < muurkha> I mean, that particular AVR
01:07 < muurkha> and it can do 16 million 8-bit multiplies per second
01:10 < muurkha> lots of home computers from the 01970s had less memory than that (though usually it was all RAM instead of Flash) and that's roughly the computational power of a 386/40 for things like 3-D graphics.
01:12 < muurkha> wait, it's 8 million 8-bit multiplies per second.  so more like a 386/16
01:14 < muurkha> I don't mean to say that 2K of RAM isn't a real limitation, because it is, but having 16384 instructions and 386-class levels of raw computational throughput available can go a long way to compensating in some cases
01:24 < muurkha> also those 32K can be programmed incrementally under program control and has 10,000 cycles of write endurance; erasing a 128-byte page and then rewriting it takes 4 milliseconds
01:26 < muurkha> so for a 5-year lifetime you can write to the Flash at an average bandwidth of 2 bytes per second, and for many applications that's a valid supplement to the SRAM
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07:18 < fenn> saxo!
07:18 < saxo> fenn: <muurkha> I didn't write this 3-D engine but it is doing real-time shaded rendering on a 16MHz AVR Arduino: https://www.a1k0n.net/2017/02/01/arduboy-teapot.html
07:18 < saxo> fenn!
07:22 < muurkha> do you like that?
07:22 < muurkha> it is not satire
07:31 < fenn> the graphics demo was cool but i don't need to be told something twice
07:32 < fenn> it always sort of surprises me when the bot starts talking to me
07:32 < fenn> so just clearing the buffer
07:33 < muurkha> okay, I'll depend on your IRC client's logging in the future
08:03 < docl> looks like vyvanse patents all expire february of next year https://www.drugs.com/availability/generic-vyvanse.html
08:48 < nmz787> I don't understand why longer-release stimulants are interesting, to anyone.
08:49 < muurkha> well, addiction sucks
08:49 < nmz787> "let's really mess up these sickos, screw their sleep up completely so they're totally under the control our of mind-bending chemicals"
08:50 < muurkha> okay but nicotine patches are also longer-release stimulants and don't have that problem
08:50 < superkuh> The entire point was to prevent people from enjoying them, wasn't it?
08:50 < muurkha> possibly yeah
08:51 < nmz787> eh, I don't care about nicotine... that doesn't seem to have much chance of being useful outside of pesticides
08:51 < nmz787> I'm quite sure just taking more vyvanse would get you feeling "good"
08:51 < nmz787> but then it lasts for like 24 hours
08:52 < nmz787> and you're nearly a freaking tweaker by the end
08:52 < muurkha> Gwern claimed to have found it useful: https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine#conclusion
08:52 < nmz787> (or at least you probably look that way)
08:52 < muurkha> nicotine, that is, not Vyvanse
08:53 < muurkha> I think there's a pretty strong relationship between euphoric effects and rapidity of onset
08:53 < nmz787> seems like gwern is just a book worm nerd and didn't actually experiment subjectively
08:53 < nmz787> soooo :/
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08:54 < nmz787> oh, scrollling to the top it seems they have used nicotine in practice
08:54 < nmz787> oops
08:54 < nmz787> their summary sounded the ass opposite tho
08:57 < muurkha> haha, I think if you want to dismiss people reviewing the research literature you're probably on the wrong channel ;)
08:57 < nmz787> mostly just the summary presented itself as "I
08:58 < nmz787> "I read for 3 weeks and might try it someday"
08:58 < nmz787> vs just doing an experiment after a walk to 7-11
08:58 < muurkha> even if that were true, #jockssneeringatnerds is that way ->
08:58 < nmz787> usually summaries also summarize actual practices
08:59 < nmz787> hey, I resent that as a nerd-sneering-nerds
09:02 < muurkha> to be a nerd sneering at nerds you have to sneer at the ones who know less than you do, not more ;)
09:03 < muurkha> (it's still usually counterproductive though)
09:12 < nmz787> idk much about gwern, I think I've seen the name about bitcoin or something, that's about it
09:12 < nmz787> so I have no clue how much they do or don't know about biochemistry
09:12 < nmz787> literally just riffed off that summary
09:13 < nmz787> also I apparently misread a word
09:13 < nmz787> since I just woke up
09:14 < nmz787> anyway, vyvanse seemed real dumb
09:14 < nmz787> getting addicted also seems real dumb
09:15 < nmz787> idk, seems like there should be some social control level work for anti-addiction
09:24 < nmz787> some sort of schmitt trigger on drug metabolism seems like a smarter system to consider how to create
09:59 < docl> I tried nicotine via gum and ended up addicted. I think it was at least partly due to covid, before that I was only using once in a while in small doses
10:04 < docl> (I'm off nicotine now though, taking vyvanse)
10:31 < nmz787> https://www.fda.gov/food/outbreaks-foodborne-illness/outbreak-investigation-salmonella-peanut-butter-may-2022
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10:39 < kanzure> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thank_You_for_Smoking
14:09 < TMA> well, on one hand, smoking/tobacco is addictive and detrimental to health, on the other Big Tobacco is paying out nice dividends and the consumption taxes that are levied on the sale of tobacco provide excess revenue to the treasury whih might or might not be a good thing
14:54 < nsh> .t https://github.com/ansh/bionic-reading
14:54 < saxo> GitHub - ansh/bionic-reading: A Chrome Extension for Bionic Reading on ANY website!
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16:16 < kanzure> https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexzhavoronkov/2022/05/19/can-we-fix-ovarian-aging-here-is-one-startup-up-for-the-task/?sh=ee4f2175f69f
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16:58 < docl> .titile https://newscience.org/nih/
16:58 < docl> .title
16:58 < saxo> New Science's Report on the NIH - New Science
17:00 < docl> "Many NIH-funded labs follow a form of the “Benevolent Ponzi Scheme” strategy. Two young graduate student interviewees said the system was already explained to them by superiors, while nearly all older interviewees confirmed familiarity with some form of it. Here’s how it works:
17:00 < docl> When a researcher becomes a faculty member and gets his own lab and staff, they
17:00 < docl> are typically given a funding package of a few million dollars by the university to kick off new research. The researcher will come up with a project. Then, they will use their starter funds to complete “80-90%” of the project. Then they will apply for an NIH grant for the project, even though it’s 80-90% done.
17:00 < docl> Once the grant is in-hand, they will use a small portion of the funds to complete the project."
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18:47 < fenn> do cellphones have GC/MS "on a chip" attachments yet?
19:19 < muurkha> I had a discussion about this on the orange website a few months ago
19:20 < muurkha> the answer is "not even close"
19:42 < nmz787> orange site?
19:47 < muurkha> news.yc
19:48 < muurkha> Character Assassination News
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