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00:07 < fenn> more totalitarian overreach, as requested https://www.gladstone.ai/action-plan
00:08 < fenn> "views expressed in these publications do not reflect the views of the United States Department of State or the United States Government." ... until they suddenly do
00:10 < fenn> global totalitarian overreach*
00:21 < fenn> "demonstrates an unlearning technique by erasing the Harry Potter books from an AI model."
00:21 < fenn> what could possibly go wrong
00:24 < fenn> harry potter is now classified as a weapon of mass destruction
00:24 < fenn> proxy
00:24 < fenn> because i said so
00:34 < hprmbridge> kanzure> hire doomers to produce a doomer report, what else should you expect
00:39 < fenn> nobody else is for hire because they're too busy doing useful things
00:39 < fenn> this is a problem
00:39 < fenn> mister president, we cannot allow a torment nexus report gap!
00:39 < hprmbridge> kanzure> hence @pmetzger's https://www.affuture.org/about/
01:20 < fenn> http://aiimpacts.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/human-level-AI.png
01:57 < fenn> tolerance and mutual respect for diversity? in 2024 america?~~
02:17 < fenn> guys, twitter is not an archival medium
02:18 < fenn> https://twitter.com/aftfuture/status/1767525993198100724
02:20 < fenn> ah good it's duplicated here https://www.affuture.org/manifesto/
02:33 < fenn> disappointing that they're exclusively targeting conservative perspective. politicization hurts us all, and this is the main reason to be concerned about google and openai's bias
02:34 < fenn> AI regulation is not a left-right political issue and never was
02:35 < fenn> more gray-yellow than red-blue
02:39 < adlai> .gpt4 all around me, the slel neckers are yammering about glidderies, slidderies, and glissades; where am I lost?
02:39 < gptpaste> ​It sounds like you've found yourself in a whimsical, perhaps fictional or metaphorical, setting where the language is playful and imaginative, focusing on movement and possibly slippery or sliding actions. "Slel neckers," "glidderies," "slidderies," and "glissades" are not standard terms in English, suggesting you're either in a creative narrative environment (like a novel  - https://bin.gy/ctogleassm
02:41 < adlai> .gpt4 why was Frank Herbert considered better at composing fictional prose than Professor Isaac Asimov ?
02:42 < gptpaste> ​The comparison between Frank Herbert and Isaac Asimov in terms of their prowess in composing fictional prose is largely subjective and depends on individual tastes, preferences, and criteria for judging literary quality. However, there are several aspects often cited by readers and critics that might lead some to consider Frank Herbert as superior in certain aspects of fict - https://bin.gy/ssagenceak
02:43 < adlai> oh wheregone the days of MuadDib and GradStudentBot
02:44 < fenn> you can never go back...
02:46 < adlai> yeah, I gotta mark those parts of spacetime with stupefying venom so I don't get drowned in text.
02:54 < fenn> www.undermind.ai now covers all scientific fields (not just quantum physics) and is free for individuals
02:56 < fenn> it finds the top N papers relevant to your query, reads and summarizes why they're relevant
02:56 < adlai> .gpt HyperText Markup Language header meta tags ; one-line tldr please!
02:57 < gptpaste> ​HTML header meta tags provide information about the webpage, such as its title, character encoding, and description.# Wed 13 Mar 10:56:59 CET 2024 - HyperText Markup Language header meta tags ;  - https://bin.gy/endracluse
02:57 < fenn> please don't turn this channel into #gptspam
02:57 < adlai> believable.
02:57 < adlai> nmz787: "retarded" is not a noun
03:00 < adlai> it would be awesome if people learned how to actually use IRC, and operators of user services [e.g. gnusha , gptpaste , hprmbridge , whatever might replace paperbot and saxo, ...] would normalise nickserv identifiers for the bot accounts.
03:01 < fenn> like what
03:01  * adlai operated his automated trading program with an IRC connection for a while, in the prelibera freenode days, and it had a bot cloak rather than whatever services generated each connection.
03:02 < adlai> old freenode bot cloaks were things like "unaffiliated/bot/<user>", unless you lobbied
03:03 < adlai> so anyone wondering why I was reading messages from a channel where I was not, could locate the culprit in /names without 'spamming' the perfectly understandable question of whothefuck operates.
03:04 < fenn> next you'll be demanding transponders for drones
03:05 < adlai> no, this is more like complaining about manufacturers embossing rather than engraving and not caring if their customers file off the logo.
03:05 < adlai> save cost, sell stickers!
03:06 < fenn> i think you meant the reverse; embossing causes crystal deformations that can be revealed with acid etch after filing off the logo or serial number
03:07 < fenn> anyway *i* know who all the bots are operated by, and that's good enough for me
03:08 < adlai> who operates gptpaste , fenn ?
03:09 < fenn> i will let the guilty party speak, if it so chooses
03:09 < fenn> i appreciate its presence, but i also know what happens when people start talking to bots instead of the other humans
03:10 < adlai> ok; as for logos, my complaint would probably be the same as what I wrote before, unless I spend a decade studying mechanical engineering after completing the decade of chemical engineering that was tabled, and change my mind after actual education rather than one line of chat from you; no offense intended!
03:12 < fenn> you can try out a variety of advanced language models here: https://chat.lmsys.org/ and here: https://gpt.secroot.xyz/chat/ (less reliable)
03:12  * adlai deliberately invoked the "one-line tldr" request; it was not conversation, although conversation might ensue with the operator about whether the shortened URL is necessary when replying to such requests.
03:13 < adlai> I hope gptpaste is not as intolerant of people arguing as my parents are.
03:15 < adlai> thank you for the links, fenn ; I'll not explore them anytime soon by toddler patience standards, although it's good to know that there aren't only the major silos advertised by the social network profiteers.
03:20 < fenn> adlai do you think the ability to do math proofs has some sort of specialness relative to other human activities, indicating "intelligence" whatever that might be
03:20 < fenn> i ask because recently LLMs have been doing math proofs and this impressed people for some reason that i can't really figure out
03:22 < fenn> i was trying to come up with a list of economically relevant activities that humans can do but AI still can't do, and failing pretty hard
03:23 < fenn> it seems like we are already roughly here: http://aiimpacts.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/human-level-AI.png
03:23 < fenn> like maybe there's someone better at skill B, but nobody as good at skill D
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04:21 < hprmbridge> Eli> https://www.freethink.com/health/human-longevity
04:28 < hprmbridge> Eli> ```“This study constitutes the first whole-genome sequencing of extreme longevity at high coverage that allowed us to look at both inherited and naturally occurring genetic changes in older people,” says Massimo Delledonne, Full Professor at the University of Verona and a first author of the study.
04:28 < hprmbridge> Eli>
04:28 < hprmbridge> Eli> “Our results suggest that DNA repair mechanisms and a low burden of mutations in specific genes are two central mechanisms that have protected people who have reached extreme longevity from age-related diseases,” concludes senior author Claudio Franceschi, Professor Emeritus of Immunology at the University of Bologna.```
04:31 < hprmbridge> Eli> This seems to agree with the theory that DNA is upstream of everything and therefore maintenance of it preserves information and delays aging.
04:48 < adlai> fenn: juggling twee childcare with hostile argumentation over disputed estates abandoned by gracefully aged out fogies
04:48 < adlai> I don't think there's anything special about H.sapiensapiensapiensapiensapiensetc
04:49 < adlai> if anyone thinks optimizing crania for surviving headbutting through concrete, and then still playing pingpong with the same peripheral nervous system, that is a different question.
04:50 < adlai> can you tell I lost hope for humanity in one semester of mathematics department?
04:51 < adlai> people are probably impressed by the lack of defects in automated proofs because they've never returned to mathematics after primary education, never read Diaspora, and probably both.
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04:59 < kanzure> Eli: interesting. add those DNA repair mutations to our wiki?
05:05 < adlai> my chatbot-level understanding of such semantic spaces is that you could consider several different polymers the highest tentpoles of life's travelling circus, and they are not commensurable.
05:05 < adlai> e.g., prions consider their own amino acids more important than plasmid nucleotides.
05:15 < adlai> kanzure: does gnusha only archive logs from channels where the conversations are ones that you personally consider worth lurkingabout ?
05:16  * adlai is more concerned about the bus factor of education, than one day of chatbots getting talkative.
05:19 < kanzure> adlai: is there a channel you would like me to consider?
05:19 < kanzure> i recently found out that eltoo is not included; i received a log donation but i have not processed it yet.
05:31  * adlai registered #clos for the adjunct purpose of having a place from whence to kick idiots who waste his time with elementary CS questions without stating the purpose of their computational activity.
05:32 < adlai> it is currently not an interesting place, although eventually there could be things like open-source reimplementations of AutoCAD led from there.
05:33 < adlai> .gpt how much is the market capitalisation of the corporation selling the program named "revit" ?
05:33 < gptpaste> ​As of September 2021, Autodesk Inc., the corporation selling the program named "Revit," has a market capitalization of approximately $67 billion.# Wed 13 Mar 13:33:27 CET 2024 - how much is the market capitalisation of the  - https://bin.gy/darypentyp
05:33 < kanzure> have you been following the recent CAD projects? like atomCAD or.. uh. i guess search the logs.
05:33 < kanzure> or samson-connect
05:33 < adlai> no, gptpaste has better news nerves than I do.
05:34 < kanzure> someone with an abundance of time on their hands should do a reverse engineering of the parasolid kernel
05:34 < adlai> there's no moneytime tradeoff, only spacetime.
05:34 < kanzure> adlai: have you read house of suns?
05:34 < adlai> nope. abundance of time is good for reading scifi and I'm not there yet, sadly.
05:35 < kanzure> do you have a little person attached to you?
05:35 < adlai> I have more than one computer and am the angry suicidal ape bipedalising between them. goodbye, for now.
05:35 < kanzure> try the house of suns audiobook if you have a little person that can't read yet
05:36 < kanzure> (i couldn't tell from your earlier message about children)
06:05 < adlai> I'll rephrase something I wrote in one of the chatrooms years ago; if anything ever walked fertilized out of the kindergarten, I never heard it wailing.
06:05 < adlai> children mostly make distressingly low-entropy noise, correct ?
06:06 < adlai> disgusted, hungry, bored, unmedicated; it takes them so long to become useful.
06:08 < adlai> my understanding of folk pediatrics that the high-entropy ones don't survive the merciless flushing performed by stereotypical uteri.
06:09 < adlai> obviously, social stigma against culling encourage young urban professionals to carry fashion babies.
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06:25 < kanzure> hope you feel better soon
07:51 < L29Ah> https://gutenberg.org/files/55084/55084-h/55084-h.htm
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18:40 < fenn> never underestimate the bandwidth of a fully loaded homing pigeon, hurtling through the battlespace
19:25 < fenn> ~10 hours to starship launch #3
19:35 < fenn> .t https://youtu.be/97GOcZ08tc4
19:35 < saxo> Starship | Preparing for Third Flight Test - YouTube
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21:58 < fenn> "In the U.S., animals that are not persons under U.S. law cannot commit crimes." i'm not sure how exactly, but this seems exploitable
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23:43 < fenn> smells like openwashing (EEG VR goggles in partnership with varjo) https://www.freethink.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/image_468fe5.png
23:53 < fenn> "whiskered cells, called endometrial stromal mesenchymal stem cells, were truly “multipotent,” with the ability to be coaxed into becoming fat cells, bone cells, or even the smooth muscle cells found in organs such as the heart. ... endometrial stromal mesenchymal stem cells could be found in menstrual blood."
23:58 < fenn> nooo it's not EEG VR it's BCI spatial computing!!!1
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