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00:47 < L29Ah> reverse engineering is a trick that pesky hackers use to undermine our great global corporations' market positions
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05:46 < kanzure> https://www.zerohedge.com/political/san-diego-sues-cnc-milling-technologists-alleging-theyre-flouting-california-ghost-gun
06:05 < fenn> general capabilities are dangerous, and there's the rub
06:06 < kanzure> government asymmetric capabilities are probably worse
06:07 < L29Ah> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rear_naked_choke my favorite capability (ban to bear arms)
06:07  * nsh points at the sign: DO NOT FLAUNT THE CALIFORNIA GHOST GUN
07:10 < hprmbridge> harmoniq.punk> It's scary to see the US gov openly weaponise and classify as weapon, any kind of hardware or software tool that empower freedom. They always did behind a curtain. But only a dictatorial regime affords to do it as open as they are doing today. In the '80, in one of the most communist country of Soviet Union, Romania, they have classified the typewrite machine as a "dangerous weapon" and anyone who
07:10 < hprmbridge> harmoniq.punk> wanted to have one had to obtain permission from the police. We are there, CNC machines, wallets, foundries machines, developer tools are "dangerous weapon" in the US.
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07:28 < hprmbridge> harmoniq.punk> Ban the lessons and teachers. There is an asymmetric ease between the filtering or pollution and entropy in society, that is not common in nature. Usually entropy always prevail and it will also prevail in society on a large timescale. The path of min action is on the censors/spammers side. There must be a scheme that universally make censorship and pollution super difficult in society.
07:49 < geneh2> TMS haptics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y61l38F81s
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10:23 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://www.americanbanker.com/podcast/custodia-ceo-caitlin-long-on-master-accounts-her-fight-with-the-fed
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11:59 < gwillen> at least for now, targeting people making ghost guns at home is incredibly stupid 
11:59 < gwillen> they're small quantities and they're not used for crime
12:00 < gwillen> the useful target of ghost gun laws is regular guns with the serial numbers removed 
12:00 < gwillen> but those are obviously harder to find and prosecute
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14:29 < hprmbridge> harmoniq.punk> FED is not the cause, FED is the symptom. All issues are derived from military industry especially money. They will milk terrorism, natsec and children safety until collapse. Paul Volcker is the one who convinced and teaches Nixon administration and military industry to abandon Bretton Woods (gold standard). After only 8 years, the inflation was 14,8%, but Volcker managed to save US from collapse
14:29 < hprmbridge> harmoniq.punk> by raising interest rate to 21,5% and bring the Monetary Control Act because Jimmy Carter administration was incompetent on anything and FIAT system only works stable under draconian control praised by Paul Volcker. But military industry only wanted to control the money not a stable monetary system so they brought Alan Greenspan who deregulate everything until 2008. Now, the thugs of today try to
14:29 < hprmbridge> harmoniq.punk> stabilise the system as Volcker did in the early 80's but these math nerds cypherpunks started to understand financial system better then us and try to screw with the control part. Let's make them terrorists, and classify them VASPs.
14:31 < hprmbridge> harmoniq.punk> This is a very hard war, we can only hope them to fail and lose the political control. Difficult
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18:29 < hprmbridge> Eli> I was under the impression that gangs are using ghost guns a lot now
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19:35 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://www.whitehouse.gov/ostp/news-updates/2024/04/29/framework-for-nucleic-acid-synthesis-screening/
19:36 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://www.markey.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/securing_gene_synthesis_act_-_071823pdf.pdf
19:38 < hprmbridge> kanzure> "While Twist has tightened its own screening measures, Leproust still worries about some hypothetical scenarios that are beyond her control. For instance, a state actor with bad intentions could start making its own gene sequences. “Probably the biggest risk is if a state wants to build their own DNA synthesis capabilities,” she says. “They may be able to do it, because states have vast
19:38 < hprmbridge> kanzure> resources.”"
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21:27 < fenn> isn't there some sort of halting problem equivalent thingy
21:28 < hprmbridge> Lev> For gene synthesis?
21:28 < fenn> like the 3d structure is a result of a bunch of operations, but you don't really know what it's going to look like until you do the operation
21:29 < fenn> it's not like grepping for smallpox sequences means you're "safe"
21:30 < fenn> evolution is the gruntiest computer we have
21:31 < hprmbridge> Lev> I mean yes but you can do goal directed synthesis and constrain the possibility set to search thru by a _lot_
21:32 < fenn> i'm talking about for defense against unknown potentially terrorist sequences
21:32 < hprmbridge> Lev> Fair
21:32 < fenn> a terrorist could evolve some bugs *vague handwaving* and then smallpox-equivalent comes out of the gene synthesis machine
21:34 < fenn> if it's something new, and the parts are mixed in with a bunch of legitimate stuff, how would anyone know
21:35 < fenn> you might say 'ah we can just predict the structure of every gene' but the terrorist could just as easily shuffle the sequences and splice them together on the other end
21:36 < fenn> maybe from different synthesis companies, ordered to different addresses / customers
21:36 < fenn> it's just a stupidly hard combinatorial search problem, which would inevitably have false positives as a result of the sheer number of permutations
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22:50 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> Hell even with known sequences I don't think it's viable to defend against. If you printed short sequences of a virus sufficient for "researching detection kits" and stitched segments together you could assemble a working virus. Iirc some academics did it with horsepox. If you come up with a target genome and then print piecemeal and can justify each print for "building test capabilities" you're
22:50 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> good.
22:51 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> And that's ignoring the fact you can just *buy* a DNA printer. I'm not sure if they have spyware installed yet but if you're worried about opsec you can airgap and cage the printer then dispose of it
23:07 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> Crackdown on benchtop synthesisers is gonna be interesting. Slight worry people working on DIY DNA printers may get branded terrorists.
23:07 < hprmbridge> alonzoc>
23:07 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> This all seems less about safety and more about building walls. An adversary in their threat model is sufficiently sophisticated "Do KYC checks on benchtop synthesiser sales" isn't gonna work
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