--- Log opened Sun May 19 00:00:59 2024 01:19 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@gateway/tor-sasl/justanotheruser] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 01:22 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@gateway/tor-sasl/justanotheruser] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:33 < fenn> https://www.newscientist.com/article/2431153-frozen-human-brain-tissue-can-now-be-revived-without-damage/ (organoids) 01:35 < fenn> wtf https://www.newscientist.com/article/2423106-human-brains-have-been-mysteriously-preserved-for-thousands-of-years/ 01:57 -!- test_ [flooded@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/flood/x-43489060] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:00 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-112-12-36.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:01 -!- flooded [flooded@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/flood/x-43489060] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:39 -!- L29Ah [~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:37 -!- alethkit [23bd17ddc6@sourcehut/user/alethkit] has left #hplusroadmap [] 03:54 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@id-14990.uxbridge.irccloud.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:39 < hprmbridge> kanzure> davey jones's... brain? 04:40 < hprmbridge> kanzure> would be a cool desk piece, come to think of it 04:40 < hprmbridge> Lev> do you think it has any elasticity or would it just crumble if you poked it 04:40 < hprmbridge> Lev> i'm curious now lol 04:42 < hprmbridge> Lev> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064664282450628710/1241717530557546506/Screenshot_20240519_074152_Brave.jpg?ex=664b3711&is=6649e591&hm=7351ff652a34c311cbf28abca501cdd7b94c4cdf633cae062bf61f5e62244b81& 04:42 < hprmbridge> Lev> ...did they explode a brain by accident 05:59 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@id-14990.uxbridge.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 07:15 -!- L29Ah [~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah] has left #hplusroadmap [] 07:15 -!- flooded [flooded@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/flood/x-43489060] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:19 -!- test_ [flooded@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/flood/x-43489060] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:46 -!- L29Ah [~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:09 < hprmbridge> pinkbearer> It makes sense, the brain is the only one which is separated by a whole limb from all the others and encased in its own shell 08:10 < hprmbridge> pinkbearer> > “This unknown mechanism is completely different,” says Morton-Hayward. “The key feature of it is that we only have the brain and the bones left. There’s no skin, no muscle, no gut.” 08:10 < hprmbridge> pinkbearer> this is really weird though 08:10 < hprmbridge> Lev> yee but usually soft tissue goes first even with shell 08:10 < hprmbridge> Lev> think of all the ammonite fossils 08:11 < hprmbridge> pinkbearer> how do you think we know what ammonites look like 08:12 < hprmbridge> pinkbearer> nvm apparently it's just a guess based on nautilus 08:12 < hprmbridge> Lev> mostly guessing based on le shell, but I do know there were some soft-tissue fossils found 08:12 < hprmbridge> Lev> afaik it's like 08:12 < hprmbridge> Lev> very few tho 08:12 < hprmbridge> Lev> 08:12 < hprmbridge> pinkbearer> > That is important because preserved brains often have the same colour as surrounding soil. 08:12 < hprmbridge> pinkbearer> this is probably the key factor alongside the high iron/metals component 08:13 < hprmbridge> pinkbearer> > And saponification, where fatty substances turn into a form of soap called grave wax, preserved the brains of some people shot in 1936 during the Spanish Civil War and buried in a mass grave. 08:13 < hprmbridge> Lev> well that sounds sufficiently ominous 08:13 < hprmbridge> pinkbearer> seems it's just a unique interaction of the brains makeup and chemicals 08:14 < hprmbridge> pinkbearer> or the brain is a holy organ which resists decay because it receives sapience from God. either one is plausible i think 08:23 < TMA> there is the case of "preserved tongue of St. Johann Nepomucenus" which is the brain that shrunk and decayed to the shape resembling a tongue. 08:33 < fenn> "holy organ which resists decay" was my first thought 08:34 < fenn> .wik Sokushinbutsu 08:34 < saxo> "Sokushinbutsu (即身仏) are a type of Buddhist mummy. In Japan the term refers to the practice of Buddhist monks observing asceticism to the point of death and entering mummification while alive." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokushinbutsu 08:35 * L29Ah throws brain soap at pinkbearer 08:36 < fenn> it's amazing that this happened on accident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bog_body#/media/File:Tollundmannen.jpg 08:36 < L29Ah> yo momma was so fat her brain saponified 09:21 -!- TMM [hp@amanda.tmm.cx] has quit [Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 09:21 -!- TMM [hp@amanda.tmm.cx] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:42 < hprmbridge> pinkbearer> the same has happened with entire claws from multimillion year old carcasses https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064664282450628710/1241793172494094366/Mount-Owen-Claw_0.jpg?ex=664b7d83&is=664a2c03&hm=cdbadf47380b4e5ce2417525c7c3cd26e50a64994d138ea0749c15b50ba33ac3& 10:06 < fenn> 3,300 year old claw 10:07 < fenn> it's from a moa (giant bird like an ostrich) 10:27 < hprmbridge> pinkbearer> shit, this reddit post is completely false then 10:27 < hprmbridge> pinkbearer> lmao, this is why you research your claims. 12:17 -!- test_ [flooded@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/flood/x-43489060] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:21 -!- flooded [flooded@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/flood/x-43489060] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:27 -!- flooded [flooded@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/flood/x-43489060] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:30 -!- test_ [flooded@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/flood/x-43489060] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:33 -!- test_ [flooded@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/flood/x-43489060] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:37 -!- flooded [flooded@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/flood/x-43489060] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:55 -!- L29Ah [~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah] has left #hplusroadmap [] 13:55 -!- L29Ah [~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:05 < hprmbridge> kanzure> can only a higher IQ person develop a better IQ test? if not, why? 14:40 -!- Gooberpatrol66 [~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:53 < ike8> no, because the high-IQ person would have been measured using the old IQ test. Their new IQ test would be influenced by the old IQ test; which is a problem. 14:58 < hprmbridge> kanzure> what about intelligence generally, wouldn't it be surprising if less intelligent systems can measure more intelligent systems better than the other way around? 14:58 < hprmbridge> laikavoid> Hey, could a mod turn all message notifications off and only on ping 14:59 < hprmbridge> laikavoid> Every time someone messages, it seems to ping 14:59 < hprmbridge> laikavoid> Which isn’t a big deal, I just think it will retain members better 15:10 < hprmbridge> kanzure> instead of muting the server or setting your own notification settings ? 15:38 -!- Gooberpatrol66 [~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:43 < L29Ah> kanzure: "intelligence generally", what's this? 16:46 < hprmbridge> kanzure> instead of IQ or whatever IQ measures 16:46 < L29Ah> if we dismiss the idea that intelligence measurement is bullshit, it must be a function defined by the world the actor operates in, and humans don't live in a single world, subjectively, and objectively the conditions and effective strategies differ 16:48 < L29Ah> IQ measures the ability to pass IQ tests, and these will be more or less aligned with the strategies 17:01 < hprmbridge> kanzure> there seems to be a lot of confusion about IQ out there, in fact a startling amount 17:02 < hprmbridge> kanzure> like what's this about only passing IQ tests? were the life outcomes studies fraudulent or something? 17:06 < hprmbridge> kanzure> i think in the absence of transhumanism or other technology interventions or exploits, IQ would probably be a horrifying concept because there's nothing you could really do about it - except there is, because any physical phenomena can be exploited and reverse engineered by humans 18:18 -!- TMM [hp@amanda.tmm.cx] has quit [Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 18:18 -!- TMM [hp@amanda.tmm.cx] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:34 < hprmbridge> pinkbearer> it certainly measures more than that, although it's not an end-all be-all 18:39 < hprmbridge> pinkbearer> you're operating from a very leftist perspective - what you said is not very far from that "lived experience" garbage peddled by them. There is an objective world and objective levels of intelligence. 18:43 < hprmbridge> kanzure> oh, the IQ measures IQ test passing is leftist garbage is what you mean 18:44 < hprmbridge> kanzure> (quote replies don't transmit over the bridge, just the replies) 18:44 < hprmbridge> Lev> parts of it are pretty blatantly objective, like the processing speed portion of the score 18:44 < hprmbridge> pinkbearer> ah, then the above goes to that L23Ah guy 18:45 < hprmbridge> kanzure> that makes more sense 18:45 < hprmbridge> Lev> Obvs there's variance in that, but really there's only so much to expect from a v flat metric like a single score anyway 18:45 < hprmbridge> pinkbearer> This is why the most reliable attempt to measure multiple facets of intelligence 18:45 < hprmbridge> kanzure> if we could figure out how human biological memory works at a physical level, maybe we'd make more progress on intelligence maximalization 18:45 < hprmbridge> Lev> mind you it's been a *hot* minute since i took an IQ test but i do remember a portion dedicated to pattern matching altho don't ask me what it was 18:46 < hprmbridge> pinkbearer> stuff like ravens progressive matrices gives you only an idea, a general range. (this is pattern matching like you mentioned) which correlates highly with g but falls flat against uneven cognitive profiles 18:46 < hprmbridge> Lev> and my psychiatrist at the time said that beyond minor variance one can't really do much to change theic IQ score, altho i take that with grains of salt 18:47 < hprmbridge> pinkbearer> it is true to an extent as long as you're not just gaming the system 18:47 < hprmbridge> pinkbearer> almost all of them are meant to be attempted before you've ever seen the pattern before 18:48 < hprmbridge> Lev> Fair 18:48 < hprmbridge> Lev> i'm not that into the bio side of things so i'm not v familiar with how much one can do to say, improve their processing speed 18:48 < hprmbridge> pinkbearer> even then - some people will just never crack certain patterns unless they're told the answer. 18:49 < hprmbridge> Lev> i'd imagine not much, but 🤷‍♂️ 18:49 < hprmbridge> kanzure> "It’s not weird at all that our dumbest humans are hyper intellects compared to a dog or cat. Even the dumb humans have abstract hierarchical reasoning and language capabilities, which is more of a binary “do you have it or not?” mental feature." 18:49 < hprmbridge> pinkbearer> people who live in high IQ bubbles don't fully realize this but most of the world's population is only comparable to animals. They have no higher aspirations beyond base instinct 18:50 < hprmbridge> pinkbearer> no, I disagree re:kanzure 18:50 < hprmbridge> kanzure> I mean even 80 IQ people show pretty interesting cognitive abilities 18:50 < hprmbridge> pinkbearer> the dumbest humans are literally indistinguishable from the highest animals 18:50 < hprmbridge> Lev> sure but remember its an avg 18:50 < hprmbridge> pinkbearer> remember than animals have their own bell curves. An IQ of 75 might still be higher than all known animals, but there are people above that and animals which are unusually smart 18:51 < hprmbridge> Lev> i scored shit on processing speed and decently high everywhere else, which brought me down to just normal 18:51 < hprmbridge> Lev> Someone can have absolute shit scores in everything and be great at X and IQ will just say "that's nice, avg?" 18:51 < hprmbridge> pinkbearer> Yeah that's the trouble with averaging 18:52 < hprmbridge> pinkbearer> I won't mention my score since it would seem like bragging, but I have similar imbalanced scores - mild autism and adhd 18:52 < hprmbridge> Lev> adhd up the wazoo here too lol 18:52 < hprmbridge> pinkbearer> my processing speed is average but I'm fairly sure it got nerfed due to above conditions. 18:53 < hprmbridge> pinkbearer> but then, who knows how it might have shaken out without said conditions lol 18:53 < hprmbridge> pinkbearer> back to re:kanzure, don't mistake exceptions for the norm 18:54 < hprmbridge> pinkbearer> I grew up in the south among a great many extremely stupid people. My cat has shown more awareness of consequences than some of the men I've met 18:55 < hprmbridge> kanzure> so? lots of highly intelligent people lack awareness. 18:56 < hprmbridge> pinkbearer> ok yea but imagine that lack of awareness without the highly intelligent part 19:48 -!- Gooberpatrol66 [~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:58 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-112-12-36.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:18 -!- mxz [~mxz@user/mxz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:19 -!- mxz [~mxz@user/mxz] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:20 -!- mxz_ [~mxz@user/mxz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:26 -!- mxz_ [~mxz@user/mxz] has joined #hplusroadmap --- Log closed Mon May 20 00:00:00 2024