--- Log opened Sat Jun 15 00:00:25 2024 00:45 < fenn> .t 00:45 < saxo> - YouTube 00:46 < fenn> thanks google 00:46 < fenn> "I Edited My DNA On A Secret Island (To Live Forever)" 01:36 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@uxbridge.irccloud.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:44 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@uxbridge.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 04:00 < hprmbridge> setecastronomy1891> Who is absolutely undeniably a fraud within the transhumanist community at this point? Arguably, one could make the case the movement started when man first began fashioning tools, but if we are to say H+ is going on 20 years as a formal movement - who has proven themselves to be utterly and undeniably unreliable/grifter/fraud? 04:05 < hprmbridge> setecastronomy1891> It could also make Skeletor even more Skeletory. 04:19 < hprmbridge> kanzure> well, those guys. 05:44 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@id-14990.uxbridge.irccloud.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:55 -!- gl00ten [~gl00ten@bl11-102-149.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:27 -!- gl00ten [~gl00ten@bl11-102-149.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:30 -!- gl00ten [~gl00ten@bl11-102-149.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:31 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@gateway/tor-sasl/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:59 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@gateway/tor-sasl/justanotheruser] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:52 -!- gl00ten [~gl00ten@bl11-102-149.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:01 < hprmbridge> jay_dugger> Hello, everyone. 09:10 < hprmbridge> yashgaroth> the doctors performing the injections seem to do stem cell scams at that clinic when they're not helping out with plasmid scams, so you can infer their moral compasses 09:43 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@gateway/tor-sasl/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:22 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@gateway/tor-sasl/justanotheruser] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:50 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> Oh looks like minicircle again yeah they are likely frauds. Someone here wrote a whole debunking 10:54 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> oh yashgaroth's already replied, should've read the context more.. huh didn't notice that. Nice to know we live in a world where shady libertarian transhumanists on tropical islands aren't only in works of fiction 12:16 < NewtonTrendy> fenn: is the wow signal something like the black noise that makees you shit yourself? 12:23 < ike8> 😂 12:33 -!- TMM [hp@amanda.tmm.cx] has quit [Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 12:34 -!- TMM [hp@amanda.tmm.cx] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:03 -!- marsupialSoup [~marsupial@user/marsupialSoup] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:10 -!- marsupia1 [~marsupial@user/marsupialSoup] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:12 -!- marsupialSoup [~marsupial@user/marsupialSoup] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:22 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@id-14990.uxbridge.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 13:40 < pasky> i don't post twitter threads often, but maybe someone else here is pondering about the situational awareness writeup, so.. https://x.com/xpasky/status/1802076165328576963 13:45 -!- delthas_cc0 [~cc0@2a01:4f9:c010:cf0b::2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:45 -!- delthas_cc0 [~cc0@2a01:4f9:c010:cf0b::2] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:04 < stipa> pasky: i don't get it , can you elaborate ? 15:00 -!- marsupia1 [~marsupial@user/marsupialSoup] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:11 < fenn> .wik wow! signal 16:11 < saxo> "The Wow! signal was a strong narrowband radio signal detected on August 15, 1977, by Ohio State University's Big Ear radio telescope in the United States, then used to support the search for extraterrestrial intelligence." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wow!_signal 16:14 < fenn> in many ways GPT-4 far surpasses a smart high schooler 16:14 < fenn> we can't rely on spearman's g to compare artificial and human intelligence 16:19 < stipa> .wiki how to get rich fast? 16:20 < stipa> .wik how to get rich fast? 16:20 < saxo> " / In computer network communications, the HTTP 404, 404 not found, 404, 404 error, page not found, or file not found error message is a hypertext transfer protocol (HTTP) standard response code, to indicate that the browser was able to communicate with a given server, but [...]" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_result_found 16:21 < stipa> .wik what browser do you recommend to get rich fast? 16:21 < saxo> " / In computer network communications, the HTTP 404, 404 not found, 404, 404 error, page not found, or file not found error message is a hypertext transfer protocol (HTTP) standard response code, to indicate that the browser was able to communicate with a given server, but [...]" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_result_found 16:22 < stipa> .wik rich! signal 16:22 < saxo> " / In computer network communications, the HTTP 404, 404 not found, 404, 404 error, page not found, or file not found error message is a hypertext transfer protocol (HTTP) standard response code, to indicate that the browser was able to communicate with a given server, but [...]" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_result_found 16:22 < stipa> dang 16:22 < stipa> i should go back to high school 16:24 < fenn> stipa it just searches for wikipedia article titles 16:26 < fenn> it's a little too early to be confused by regular computer programs existing and not being AI 16:28 < stipa> fenn: aren't there APIs to access an AI via IRC? 16:28 < fenn> yes, but saxo is not one of them 16:28 < stipa> fenn: is saxo: an eggdrop? 16:29 < fenn> .t https://github.com/sbp/saxo/ 16:29 < saxo> GitHub - sbp/saxo: Quick and flexible irc bot, extensible in any language 16:29 < hprmbridge> yashgaroth> fenn: I'm assuming that scipy analysis found that jupiter was moving away from the source at ~10km/sec? Or toward, or whatever would compensate for the doppler shift to match jupiter's frame of reference at the time. 10km/sec seems slow for interstellar velocity unless they're in stasis, in which case the speed wouldn't really matter 16:31 < stipa> i would say it's an understanding of gravity 16:31 < fenn> earth was moving toward the source at 10.5 km/s faster than where it was supposed to be received, assuming the beacon was broadcast at the hydrogen line 16:32 < fenn> the idea was that whoever broadcast it compensated for interstellar doppler shift, but then why wouldn't they also compensate for planetary doppler shift, if they were aiming at earth? 16:33 < fenn> i hope i didn't make a silly sign error, but it would make sense that if they didn't know about earth that they'd match the doppler shift of the only detectable planet in our system 16:33 < stipa> if the whole universe in balance and some star dies it's expected that things move a bit to fill a hole 16:33 < fenn> that's not how any of this works 16:34 < hprmbridge> yashgaroth> I mean, the assumption is that kardashev civs would be hanging out at the biggest gas giant. Or the default sentience is gasbags, but either way 16:35 < stipa> fenn: it's not but how can you be sure? 16:36 < fenn> or the source was just really far away and they can't see earth. or not enough SNR to detect the spectral line doppler shift in the sun's wobble due to being accelerated by smaller planets 16:37 < fenn> clearly humans have been able to detect exoplanets with the radial velocity doppler shift method, but i don't really know what the physical limits are on that kind of instrment (a spectrograph) 16:38 < stipa> there is for sure some distortions 16:38 < stipa> nothing's perfect 16:38 < hprmbridge> yashgaroth> "detectable planet" assumes a human-level technology, if they weren't sure they'd blast it at the whole solar system. Also idk where they were when the signal was sent, if they were near sagittarius then yeah maybe there was a fundamental limit 16:38 -!- dustinm [~dustinm@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:40 < stipa> i'm not familiar with the signal and it's composition, if it's repeatable i's some form of sequence that repeats it's probably ideologically made 16:42 < stipa> natural occurring signals rarely repeat is timely made sequence that repeats at leas once 16:42 < stipa> it's random 16:43 < stipa> is/in 16:48 < stipa> i.e. if the signal is not random it's probably made by an intelligent lifeform 16:50 < hprmbridge> yashgaroth> the generous assumption is that they have a phased array shooting signal at individual stars one-by-one, so the time between signals is long. If it's coming from a spacecraft traveling toward us, it's a different calculation 16:50 < stipa> maybe it's a scanner 16:51 < stipa> that maps the solar systems and the universe around them 16:52 < stipa> the signal we received in that case is a ping 16:53 < stipa> there's no way where that pong goes 16:53 < stipa> no way to find out 16:54 < stipa> the way to find out would be to ping the source 16:54 -!- dustinm [~dustinm@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:54 < stipa> and wait the pong but the source of the ping is unknown 16:55 < stipa> to wait the pong to find out the distance* 16:57 < fenn> radar doesn't work over interstellar distance due to the inverse square law. there's not enough pong to detect at the transmitter 16:57 < stipa> have there been any tries to send the same signal in the same direction back? 16:58 < fenn> In 2012, on the 35th anniversary of the Wow! signal, Arecibo Observatory beamed a digital stream towards Hipparcos 34511, 33277, and 43587.[44] The transmission consisted of approximately 10,000 Twitter messages solicited for the purpose by the National Geographic Channel, bearing the hashtag "#ChasingUFOs" 16:58 < fenn> yikes 16:59 < stipa> i hope there were some equally timed spaced signals at least 17:00 < fenn> "Arecibo scientists attached a repeating-sequence header to each individual message, and beamed the transmission at roughly 20 times the power of the most powerful commercial radio transmitter." 17:00 < fenn> whoever sent the original signal didn't include any time spaced signal 17:00 < stipa> that's better 17:01 < fenn> just one minute-long bloop 17:01 < fenn> there could have been some transmission on a different frequency that we missed 17:01 < stipa> better that than random noise 17:01 < stipa> for sure 17:02 < stipa> there's probably a bunch of spectres to discover 17:02 < stipa> for a human race 17:03 < stipa> the wow would be something of a race that's similar in development to us 17:04 < stipa> a life form better than race, my bad 17:04 < fenn> sure, it's plausible 17:04 < stipa> right 18:28 -!- jrayhawk [~jrayhawk@user/jrayhawk] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:34 -!- jrayhawk [~jrayhawk@user/jrayhawk] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:37 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@gateway/tor-sasl/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:54 -!- L29Ah [~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:33 -!- marsupialSoup [~marsupial@user/marsupialSoup] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:47 -!- potrull [~potrull@2401:4900:1c6e:90d3:44c7:f078:94bd:beb] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:47 < potrull> hi 20:49 -!- mxz__ [~mxz@user/mxz] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:50 -!- potrull [~potrull@2401:4900:1c6e:90d3:44c7:f078:94bd:beb] has quit [Client Quit] 20:50 -!- mxz_ [~mxz@user/mxz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:50 -!- mxz [~mxz@user/mxz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:50 -!- mxz__ is now known as mxz 22:03 -!- Hooloovoo [~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:05 -!- Hooloovoo [~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:39 -!- potrull [~potrull@2401:4900:1c6e:90d3:9a6f:77fa:3465:c097] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:39 -!- TMM [hp@amanda.tmm.cx] has quit [Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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