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05:23 < hprmbridge> kanzure> "woah now, de-aging all the way back to a child would be wrong" https://www.reddit.com/r/transhumanism/s/cCDMzfIGjq
05:26 < hprmbridge> kanzure> but in the made up fantasy world of longevity advocates, why not?
05:28 < hprmbridge> kanzure>  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064664282450628710/1251876062762369114/Screenshot_20240616-072438.png?ex=66702bf0&is=666eda70&hm=0fa4b2ffd15e016589b789c503e7afad3515421481e970e2f44b15e7255fbe1c&
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05:36 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://www.reddit.com/r/transtrans
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08:03 < L29Ah> 2024-06-16 17:03:29 ERROR 404: Not Found.
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11:49 < hprmbridge> Lev> late to this convo but I got bored recently and did some napkin math and estimated that if we're talking human-level civs the signals we'd be looking for would be ~10^15 times weaker than CMB
11:50 < hprmbridge> Lev> Also, consider that most human signals now are increasingly being encrypted, which means random signals (within bounded patterns) are actually quite likely to be positive indicators, not negative ones
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12:02 < L29Ah> unless they employ spread spectrum to counter natural noise and reduce energy requirements of communications
12:05 < nsh> there's no need to do maths
12:06 < nsh> blasty clear loud everywhere at everything was a passing phase 
12:07 < nsh> of the type that doesn't register on astronomical scales
12:07 < nsh> it is almost impossible for us to fathom the vastness 
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12:10 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> More important is the rise of point to point comms, when you can do beamforming the chance of detection goes down sharply
12:12 < hprmbridge> Lev> nah this was mostly assuming spread spectrum
12:12 < hprmbridge> Lev> I didn't even bother doing the math for targetted bursts like radio telescopes
12:13 < hprmbridge> Lev> Chances of the directionality being just right? and little enough in the way? not worth it
12:13 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> However if you have a dyson sphere announcing your presence to the universe becomes relatively easy and clear. Point cast to every star you can see with the power of a star
12:14 < hprmbridge> Lev> I mean even then we've got how many "great walls" scattered throughout the universe?
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12:38 < nsh> (space and time being vast, albeit we have the conceit of the so-called laws of the universe, to bostler our ego, we should not necessarily expect that it will have happened elsewhere like it i did here)
12:39 < nsh> *like it did here
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13:18 < docl> well past a certain distance we need more than single star dyson spheres to be able to see them. but if they wind up covering whole galaxies, we should be able to see that
13:20 < docl> https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/13/science/dyson-spheres-alien-life-evidence-scn // ‘Dyson spheres’ were theorized as a way to detect alien life. Scientists say they’ve found potential evidence
13:20 < docl> huge grain of salt, obviously
13:21 < docl> “So far, we have seven sources that we know are glowing in the infrared but we don’t know why, so they stand out.”
13:24 < docl> https://academic.oup.com/mnras/article/531/1/695/7665761 // Project Hephaistos – II. Dyson sphere candidates from Gaia DR3, 2MASS, and WISE
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