--- Log opened Wed Jul 03 00:00:42 2024 01:18 -!- TMM [hp@amanda.tmm.cx] has quit [Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 01:18 -!- TMM [hp@amanda.tmm.cx] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:22 -!- faceface [~faceface@user/faceface] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:24 -!- faceface [~faceface@user/faceface] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:24 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@idlerpg/player/Malvolio] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:35 < fenn> predictions from 2001 about what the world should be like in 2025 https://archive.org/details/FutureStrategicIssuesFutureWarfareCirca2025/page/n9/mode/2up 07:37 < fenn> oops i linked to a specific page, nevermind that 07:41 < fenn> mostly warfare stuff 08:15 < fenn> "binary bio" means a bio weapon that is harmless / undetectable until both components are brought together 08:35 -!- dustinm [~dustinm@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:39 -!- dustinm [~dustinm@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:50 -!- TMM [hp@amanda.tmm.cx] has quit [Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 08:51 -!- TMM [hp@amanda.tmm.cx] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:23 < geneh2> odd adhesive that debonds under electric current application http://www.eiclabs.com/ERtech.htm 09:40 -!- catalase [catalase@freebnc.bnc4you.xyz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:47 -!- catalase [catalase@freebnc.bnc4you.xyz] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:03 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@idlerpg/player/Malvolio] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:25 -!- ike8 [e8f913dbdf@irc.cheogram.com] has quit [Quit: Gateway shutdown] 12:29 -!- ike8 [e8f913dbdf@irc.cheogram.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:12 -!- codaraxis [~codaraxis@user/codaraxis] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:15 -!- codaraxis [~codaraxis@user/codaraxis] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:16 -!- codaraxis [~codaraxis@user/codaraxis] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:18 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-112-12-36.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:32 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-112-12-36.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:08 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-112-12-36.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:56 < docl> geneh2: I wonder if it's a reversible reaction? like could you have bots walk up conductive walls by flipping the stickiness? 15:59 < docl> I read somewhere that there are polymers that switch hydrophobic/hydrophilic reversibly 16:01 < docl> adhesion switches could be useful for conveyor belt mimicking surfaces 18:08 -!- codaraxis__ [~codaraxis@user/codaraxis] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:11 -!- codaraxis [~codaraxis@user/codaraxis] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:52 < fenn> .m https://x.com/azsantosk/status/1808146070108610941 18:52 < AugustaAva> ​twitter: Almost nobody knows about it, but Wei Dai has probably also made (imo) one of the top arguments for potential AGI risk — that they will increase economies of scale dramatically. ␤ ␤ Existing companies stop growing in headcount/size in part because of internal misalignment (internal [https://twitter.com/weidai11/status/1807908985099690336 18:52 < AugustaAva> ​For about a decade, I was one of maybe 5 people on Earth who had thought most about decentralized cryptocurrency (although the word wasn't invented yet). I don't think any of us were optimistic enough about it, despite selection effects. Really hope AI safety doesn't repeat this. ] 18:53 < fenn> https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Sn5NiiD5WBi4dLzaB/agi-will-drastically-increase-economies-of-scale 18:53 < hprmbridge> kanzure> lost a lot of respect for him when he scolded me with lousy appeal to authority arguments. 18:53 < hprmbridge> kanzure> decades of thinking to come up with that, well done 18:55 < fenn> i thought it was sort of obvious that AI can coordinate large complex systems better than a herd of random humans, but i guess it's good to see doomers thinking about more prosaic non-fairytale stuff 18:57 < fenn> or maybe they aren't, since "almost nobody knows about it" 19:02 < docl> not everyone fixates on the clanking replicators issue and it's weird that they don't 19:03 < fenn> because clanking replicators are non-fairytale stuff 19:04 < fenn> i mean, prime intellect hacks the universe at a quantum level in ten milliseconds. clanking replicators ain't got nothin on that 19:05 < fenn> all you need to do is come up with an even bigger scarier threat number to multiply by the miniscule probability, and then you can stop worrying about small threats like failure of the global economy 19:06 < fenn> (you = straw rationalist) 19:17 < docl> we need somehow to distinguish fairy tale stuff from non fairy tale stuff, not really sure how other than actually building a thing. sometimes seems like the closer to reality a thing is the more people like to bash it for being speculative, like an uncanny valley effect 19:39 -!- codaraxis___ [~codaraxis@user/codaraxis] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:42 -!- codaraxis__ [~codaraxis@user/codaraxis] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:58 -!- TMM [hp@amanda.tmm.cx] has quit [Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 20:58 -!- TMM [hp@amanda.tmm.cx] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:49 < fenn> if DARPA types knew that drones were munitions back in 2001, why did they let it go so long as unregulated hobbyist stuff without any sort of hand wringing like we see with bio or AI 21:51 < fenn> i could easily see an argument for putting flight control electronics on an export control list, requiring manufacturers to be licensed like with firearms, etc 21:54 < fenn> here we are in 2024 and there's no flag with a "come and take it" drone logo 23:27 -!- gl00ten [~gl00ten@193.147.150.201] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:27 -!- gl00ten [~gl00ten@193.147.150.201] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:31 -!- gl00ten [~gl00ten@193.147.150.201] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:32 -!- gl00ten [~gl00ten@193.147.150.201] has quit [Client Quit] 23:32 -!- gl00ten [~gl00ten@193.147.150.201] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:58 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-112-12-36.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined #hplusroadmap --- Log closed Thu Jul 04 00:00:43 2024