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03:17 < alethkit> are there any DIY vitamin/mineral testing kits?
03:18 < alethkit> I'm trying to figure out if I have any specific deficiencies, but don't really know what I should be testing for 
03:35 < hprmbridge> Eli> I’m friends with a Nutrigenetics expert and that’s what she does for her clients. You can get degrees in it. You can seek their consultation.
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04:40 < fenn> .m https://x.com/janusch_patas/status/1823218886696665583
04:40  * fenn pokes AugustaAva 
04:42 < fenn> ^ counting fruit directly in 3D with NeRFs https://arxiv.org/abs/2408.06190 https://meyerls.github.io/fruit_nerf/
04:47 < alethkit> Eli: do they require genome sequencing?
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05:21 < fenn> https://github.com/SakanaAI/AI-Scientist Claude does machine learning experiments and writes papers
05:22 < fenn> not sure if they're any good
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11:22 < docl> fenn: with an appropriately trained llm + appropriate scripts, perhaps papermaxxing is a winning game?
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11:23 < docl> peer review could also be llm assisted
11:24 < L29Ah> another nail in the academia coffin
11:24 < docl> hmm. I'd be concerned about negative externalities and backlash and so on because I'm that kind of person. there might be some kind of happy optimum
11:24 < docl> altho destroying academia as a power structure might be a positive externality
11:30 < docl> am still cooking on the yap (immobile physical currency that physically converts to slices akin to rei stones) idea and it clearly has immense court-trolling value if nothing else. I was considering founding a startup in the large concrete pipe production industry anyway
11:36 < docl> or rather, rai stones
11:36 < docl> .wik Rai_stones
11:36 < saxo> "A rai stone (Yapese: raay), or fei stone, is one of many large artifacts that were manufactured and treasured by the native inhabitants of the Yap islands in Micronesia." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rai_stones
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12:18 < docl> essentially you could have a giant 10m cylinder with say a 2m outer diameter and 0.2m inner diameter from which any thickness down to 1cm can be cut. the daffy ('daffy agreement for flipping yap') establishes a quoted price per 10 meters, subject to availability, divisible by 1000. so you wind up with an artificially scarce, divisible, physical commodity.
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16:35 < fenn> this seems to have properties unlike money in that it's not difficult to make more of and it's inconvenient to trade
16:36 < fenn> slicing a 2m concrete bar doesn't sound particularly easy
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16:47 < L29Ah> i recommend ₿
16:47 < docl> you could use a softer form of limestone. pure calcium carbonate maybe. the fact that it's inconvenient to move around is part of the point, as all customers would understand they will be storing their asset on company property in a large stack of similar slices
16:47 < fenn> i read that some swiss hedge fund bought all the chocolate one year, to use as a financial asset
16:49 < fenn> you could use anything for this scheme. the body of the earth itself. the number line. the distance from point A to point B
16:49 < docl> you could, but the more abstract you go the more the court will suppose it's a 'security'
16:49 < fenn> it looks like Rai stones were originally a form of money, but then blew up into something less like money
16:50 < docl> whereas if it's literally concrete, that's not very abstract
16:50 < L29Ah> does your court consider ₿ a security?
16:51 < fenn> i thought securities were originally about owning physical stuff like houses
16:52 < docl> "The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission takes the position that nearly all cryptocurrencies are securities, with bitcoin the only known exception."
16:52 < docl> https://www.theblock.co/learn/251857/are-cryptocurrencies-securities
16:53 < docl> so apparently not right now, but it's a moving target and the subject of ongoing lawfare
16:57 < docl> "The Howey test consists of four criteria: an investment of money, expectation of profits, common enterprise, and reliance on the efforts of others."
16:58 < docl> https://www.investopedia.com/does-crypto-pass-the-howey-test-8385183
17:23 < docl> to obtain ₿ my startup would have to purchase it at market rate. this can be reasonably inexpensive by purchasing a small quantity (e.g. 1000 satoshi). but as I understand it, going on to sell that as a custom product having its own independent value (an altcoin or 'colored coin') could be potentially considered a security if the company then prices these sats in terms of the customer-estimated total 
17:23 < docl> value of the company / 1000.
17:26 < fenn> i liked the cash in a box idea, for trolling how absurd the current legal situation is
17:26 < fenn> you pay someone to keep your cash in a box, that's it
17:26 < docl> yes, that was a good one
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18:11 < fenn> if i am elected president, i promise every american 1.6 bits per trit
18:13 < fenn> taking care of the other 99.06%
18:22 < L29Ah> how many bitiums in a tritium?
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18:56 < docl> hmm. one can order sequential $1 bills in stacks of 1000. reselling a specific range of them under the premise of scarcity value and attaching your company brand to that isn't necessarily hard to orchestrate. more expensive than bits in principle, but whatever system you use is likely to be >$1000 in programmer time anyway 🤔
19:39 < hprmbridge> Eli> If you don’t want to sequence your genome you might just actually go to a dietician. On average they are supposed to be significantly more experienced than nutritionists. Although a quality nutritionist should be able to help you with mineral tearing. Genome sequencing can catch issues that your body may have issues with converting vitamins or having your receptors properly bind to nutrients. For
19:39 < hprmbridge> Eli> example, I have a vitamin d receptor mutation that means I need much more vitamin d than people with a different allele
19:43 < hprmbridge> Eli> A full genome will help you catch more stuff. But you can honestly download your stuff from 23andme and run it through genetic genie to catch have the stuff and you can analyze it if you know biochemistry
20:04 < L29Ah> some people enjoy taking an upper daily limit of every vitamin to eliminate most individual/statistically subclinical deficiencies
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20:36 < hprmbridge> Eli> Probably not a great move
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21:11 < fenn> i hadn't heard of https://geneticgenie.org/ 
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