--- Log opened Sun Jan 05 00:00:39 2025 01:00 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-112-12-36.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:07 -!- gl00ten2 [~gl00ten@49.230.44.143] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:10 -!- gl00ten [~gl00ten@49.230.47.234] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:10 -!- gl00ten3 [~gl00ten@49.229.170.243] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:12 -!- gl00ten [~gl00ten@49.229.165.251] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:14 -!- gl00ten2 [~gl00ten@49.230.44.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:15 -!- gl00ten3 [~gl00ten@49.229.170.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:17 -!- gl00ten [~gl00ten@49.229.165.251] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:31 -!- mxz [~mxz@user/mxz] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:33 -!- mxz_ [~mxz@user/mxz] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:17 -!- gl00ten [~gl00ten@49.230.45.191] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:00 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@idlerpg/player/Malvolio] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:47 -!- gl00ten2 [~gl00ten@49.230.61.178] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:51 -!- gl00ten [~gl00ten@49.230.45.191] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:30 -!- gl00ten2 [~gl00ten@49.230.61.178] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:31 -!- gl00ten2 [~gl00ten@49.230.61.178] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:41 -!- gl00ten2 [~gl00ten@49.230.61.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:40 -!- TMM [hp@amanda.tmm.cx] has quit [Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 10:40 -!- TMM [hp@amanda.tmm.cx] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:00 -!- gl00ten2 [~gl00ten@49.230.61.178] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:10 < nsh> electric current flame-jet generator: https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/trecms/pdf/AD0259247.pdf 11:10 < nsh> cf. https://www.angelfire.com/scifi/EclipseLab/2k1/angel/angel.html 11:10 < nsh> via: 11:10 < nsh> .m https://x.com/BrianRoemmele/status/1875892893849956662/photo/2 11:10 < AugustaAva> ​twitter: It is so amazing that this magazine article I have shown in countless symposium is being reposted by 1000s the last few days. ␤ ␤ Some doubted this is real and since I have uploaded it a few times to many places decades ago it is clearly not “AI”. ␤ ␤ June, 1951 Mechanics Illustrated. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GgiCpMJbYAA9BpU.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GgiCpMIacAAE2Vc.jpg 11:10 < AugustaAva> ​https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GgiCpMKaQAA8C-z.jpg [https://twitter.com/brianroemmele/status/1746179426570928376 “There is a good chance that the rocket will be obsolete for space travel in 50 years”—G. H. Stein, Chief, Naval Range Operations, White Sands Proving Grounds, 1957 ␤ ␤ Here is what a military domain expert said will replace it, in 1957. ␤ ␤ BASED ON WHAT HE SAW. 11:11 < nsh> not a bad idea to read old mechanics magazines from the 50s/60s/70s to get an idea of things once spoken of and not so much anymore 11:11 < nsh> just to check up on things via dtic/etc. 11:13 < nsh> .gptc comment on speculation that the B2 Spirit bomber may be surreptitiously electrogravitic or otherwise employ non-standard (ie non-thrust / aerodynamic) mechanisms of momentum control 11:13 < gptpaste> ​"The speculation about the B-2 Spirit bomber potentially using electrogravitic or other non-standard propulsion methods is an intriguing topic, but it's important to approach it with a critical and scientific mindset. Here are some points to consider:1. Lack of scientific evidence: There is currently no peer-reviewed scientific evidence supporting the existence of electrograv - https://gist.github.com/Epivalent/17d19e5c3107117c880602a9a31ddfdb/raw 11:14 < nsh> that was more or a standard issue denial than an impartial or balanced commentary, sweetness 11:14 < nsh> (i mean it probably isn't but there's another side to the discussion) 11:22 < L29Ah> .gptc What peer-reviewed research confirms the existence of time? 11:22 < gptpaste> ​"The concept of time is fundamental to our understanding of the universe and our everyday experiences. However, the nature of time itself is a complex philosophical and scientific question. While we can't \"prove\" the existence of time in the same way we might prove the existence of a physical object, there is a vast body of scientific research that supports our understanding - https://gist.github.com/Epivalent/26847efe394b787756723be7b2b042ea/raw 11:50 -!- gl00ten2 [~gl00ten@49.230.61.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:06 -!- L29Ah [~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah] has left #hplusroadmap [] 12:07 -!- L29Ah [~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:08 -!- L29Ah [~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah] has left #hplusroadmap [] 12:08 -!- L29Ah [~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:30 < hprmbridge> anapoli23> how would one even go about conforming that? 14:30 < hprmbridge> anapoli23> confirming* 14:43 < fenn> nsh: plasma thrusters and MHD generators are not "anti-gravity" any more than wing elevons and turbines are 14:43 * nsh nods 14:43 < fenn> i can't understand how people still think "lifters" are somehow anti-gravity 14:44 < fenn> read about eugene podkletnov, that guy may have actually been onto something 14:44 < nsh> what matters (wrt to a significant part of the 'unexplained' phenomenology of UAP) is what you're pushing against 14:44 < nsh> being able to separate a lot of charge may make a difference in that respect 14:51 < fenn> fair enough. if so, then it's the electric field that matters and not corona discharge, so please don't get distracted by corona discharge based mechanisms 14:52 < fenn> example of what's not anti-gravity https://www.intechopen.com/chapters/50409 14:56 < fenn> the b-2 and other stealth aircraft produce no visible heat plume because they dilute the exhaust with cold air to reduce IR emitted from the exhaust pipe and nearby surfaces 15:09 < fenn> nsh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgyAFElQZcU the uploader Jeremy Rys seems to be less affected by random disinfo and woo than most UFO people 15:36 -!- sivoais_ [~zaki@199.19.225.239] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:38 -!- sivoais [~zaki@199.19.225.239] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:40 -!- sivoais [~zaki@199.19.225.239] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:40 -!- sivoais [~zaki@199.19.225.239] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:22 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-112-12-36.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:00 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@idlerpg/player/Malvolio] has quit [Quit: E4B 7859974941437993407130201550547550753600670415922160179764090520 2025-01-06 04:00:01:008] 20:43 -!- geneh2 [~cam@pool-173-66-187-118.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:43 < geneh2> @fenn someone's got a crazy idea for using plasma actuators on cyclorotors to move airships around slightly more effectively https://www.mdpi.com/2076-0825/12/12/436 20:47 < geneh2> EHD really isn't a great way to make thrust. 20:49 < geneh2> NASA's NIAC had some people investigate stacking EHD thrusters on top of each other to get a higher thrust density. It works, but it's not very good 20:50 < geneh2> efficiency doesn't look great. Supposedly making the electrodes smaller so they're close together can improve things a bit, but I doubt that's very pratical. 20:51 < geneh2> the close they are, the more likely random junk or bugs in the air could short it out. 21:01 < superkuh> The biggest problem with airships is whatever system used for taking on an equal mass load when unloading cargo. 21:02 < fenn> a water hose? 21:02 < fenn> bucket of sand? 21:03 < fenn> that particular problem wouldn't be high on my list 21:04 < superkuh> It is high on the list of people working on airships. 21:04 < superkuh> At least the two I follow. 21:05 < superkuh> That, and yeah, getting blown around when tethered requiring huge spaces. 21:12 < geneh2> Transport cost is one of the biggest problems with airships. Airships take about the same amount of power as airplanes, but go slower. One can potentially get around this by riding the jet stream. 21:13 < fenn> or solar 21:14 < fenn> lots of area for thin film solar cells 21:15 < geneh2> solar doesn't trade well. Drag's still pretty high. Drag doesn't matter if you're riding the jet stream. 21:17 < fenn> i don't believe "same amount of power" did you mean energy per passenger-mile or something like that? 21:18 < fenn> i had an idea to use two airships at different altitudes, tethered together to tack into the wind, exploiting the wind shear between layers 21:25 < geneh2> see: https://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/guest-blog/helium-hokum-why-airships-will-never-be-part-of-our-transportation-infrastructure/ 21:26 < geneh2> power/(payload*speed) is the same for airships as some airplanes, but airplanes go faster 21:44 < fenn> perhaps less time waiting at an airport will make the hybrid airship faster overall 21:46 < fenn> unfortunately i can't see the graph 21:53 < fenn> i guess it's something like fig 3 in https://gwern.net/doc/technology/1950-gabrielli.pdf 22:04 < geneh2> https://imgur.com/29J01zO 22:40 -!- geneh2 [~cam@pool-173-66-187-118.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:51 -!- TMM [hp@amanda.tmm.cx] has quit [Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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