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06:16 < Sid_Vicious> nobody has changed the topic in here since almost 3 years ago
06:17 < kanzure> would you like a new topic?
06:24 < Sid_Vicious> well i think i would be wondering if anyone that is alive frequents this place when i ask such questions
06:24 < Sid_Vicious> i have seen many irc #channels that are nothing more than a topic and a bot now days
06:26 < fenn> nobody here but us bots
06:27 < fenn> #deadinternet
06:46 < TMA> Sid_Vicious: there are some people here.
06:47 < TMA> Sid_Vicious: the rest of the people hides in hprmbridge 
06:48 < Sid_Vicious> fenn, are you a bot ?
06:49 < kanzure> many philosophies have concluded that everyone is a bot
06:50 < Sid_Vicious> i see what you are talking about kanzure as i too was someone that was a programmer a long long time ago. yet i am still here.
07:12 < Sid_Vicious> i looked at what the channel is about and basically all of it was invented long ago and this is the dystopian future many many years later
07:12 < Sid_Vicious> i have seen the planet have the date switched back over and over again to re-live this time period
07:12 < Sid_Vicious> everyone just keeps getting replaced is all. everyone except for me.
07:29 < L29Ah> https://0x0.st/8Pvg.png
07:30 < Sid_Vicious> L29Ah, not the way I ever viewed it. I thought that would be a bit too much without other people at all.
07:35 < superkuh> http://superkuh.com/pictures/plif/wc221.gif
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08:01 < TMA> being alive sucks
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08:10 < superkuh> Least worst option. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iM83umcs1o
08:27 < kanzure> is there a nix without the nix language somewhere?
08:27 < L29Ah> kanzure: guix
08:45 < andytoshi> frustrated by the nix language, with it's hideous syntax, total lack of static analysis/typechecking, extreme slowness, lack of basic facilities for manipulating strings and numbers, and horrible debuggability
08:45 < andytoshi> hten surely you'll love scheme!
08:47 < L29Ah> :>
08:48 < L29Ah> we're yet to write a distro package management system in haskell
08:49 < kanzure> all i want is modern dependency management and facemeltingly fast builds
08:49 < kanzure> but i also don't want bazel or blaze
08:51 < L29Ah> get gentoo then
08:52 < L29Ah> neither nix nor guix have anything like Gentoo's USE flags, and dependencies, and slot/subslot dependencies
09:00 < TMA> and the face will indeed melt from the build speed... eventully
09:02 < L29Ah> gentoo has binary package cache for common stuff these days, like the former two
09:08 < kanzure> andytoshi: probably my biggest complaint out of your list would be another thing, mainly syntax/feature/behavior discoverability i think
09:09 < kanzure> tools are nice when you can read about the tool, have a mental model and then predictable behavior for common things you might write or might need to write
09:20 < kanzure> maybe pantsbuild.org but it's not clear that they have my goals (extremely fast build) in mind.
09:30 < kanzure> warpforge is just yaml or json or something.. might be ok but looks like a kitchen sink exercise? https://warpforge.io/
09:34 < kanzure> https://docs.racket-lang.org/denxi-guide/index.html
09:37 < kanzure> https://docs.racket-lang.org/denxi-white-paper/index.html
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10:16 < kanzure> https://medium.com/@zyrolasting/a-web-developers-matrimony-dd0ac479bf51
10:45 < kanzure> https://flox.dev/ https://dagger.io/
11:04 < kanzure> oh flox is a nix wrapper. ok.
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11:08 < kanzure> https://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/1gqh4te/uv_after_050_might_be_worth_replacing/
11:19 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> I don't really understand why i'd use flox over base nix? Most of the commands havea 1-to-1 with nix commands from what I see. I guess it makes the .nix file for you when you are just adding packages and setting environment variables. But that's a fairly simple script tbh, and if you are dealing with anything with complex packaging writing a shell.nix file becomes either necessary or just plain
11:19 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> easier to work with
11:23 < Sid_Vicious> you guys are totally talking about nix
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