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05:19 < flyback> anyone ever heard from viper168
05:19 < flyback> he used to idle here
05:19  * flyback thinks he's dead :/
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05:53 < juri_> flyback: that user has not been here since we made the jump from freenode.
05:54 < juri_> it's possible they did not make the jump.
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06:37 < nsh> always picture the matrix scene on these occasions
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09:49 < hprmbridge> Eli> True, also, my assumption is that metabolism and time are going to impact oxidative stress/DNA mutations.
09:49 < hprmbridge> Eli>
09:49 < hprmbridge> Eli> You need a small number of mutations for evolution to work. Too many at the same time probably results in death. Maybe we evolved to evolve.
09:49 < hprmbridge> Eli>
09:49 < hprmbridge> Eli> I’ve been thinking about what causes nature to have us die by 120. There are probably evolutionary reasons why nature settled on different ages of death for different species. We probably evolved to live as long as we did to optimize our propagation given constraints of our given system. Why do salmon self destruct after spawning? It’s in their dna. Probably there are unknown trade offs that our
09:49 < hprmbridge> Eli> dna is making to optimize the success of dna propagation.
10:02  * nsh sighs
10:02 < nsh> nothing's settled 
10:03 < nsh> there are states of affairs 
10:03 < nsh> in evolving dynamic coreproduction
10:03 < nsh> (some things are more settled than others however, e.g. the krebs cycle)
10:28 < hprmbridge> Eli> Tell me more
10:32 < hprmbridge> Eli> The concept of EDCs is concerning enough that we should probably alter our lifestyle choices even if we haven’t proven harm from plastics. Never put plastic in microwaves. Don’t use plastic tea bags. I never touch receipts if I can help it. The current thinking is that the body can excrete these chemicals, so altering behavior should make an impact.
10:36 < hprmbridge> nmz787> fenn https://www.reddit.com/r/aivideo/comments/1j5ax72/introducing_the_mighty_mini_men_a_team_of_oneinch/
10:37 < hprmbridge> nmz787> maybe we just need to downscale humans, genetically, like Feynman's robot arms making smaller robot arms, such that we can more easily manage/build atomic-precision machines
10:38 < L29Ah> Eli: probably not
10:38 < hprmbridge> nmz787> they would get dumber at each shrinkage, but maybe that can be mitigated by some sort of remote control (transcranial stimulation of a herd?)
10:38 < L29Ah> glass is too annoying to succumb to the witchhunt
10:39 < L29Ah> and "plastics" is bullshit anyway, most don't use bisphenols
10:40  * L29Ah proudly drinks from PE-capped PET bottles and puts a PP container in microwave and eats from it
11:04 < hprmbridge> Eli> What’s your thoughts on plastics @l29ah? at the very least, there’s concerns about microplastics causing stress just by blocking normal activities in the cell by physically being in the way.
11:16 < L29Ah> i have no thoughts, i'm a chinese room
11:17 < ike8> i've never met a chinese room before
11:23 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://github.com/ggml-org/llama.vim
11:25 < hprmbridge> kanzure> pasky, I like your diff view, but autocomplete is missing https://github.com/pasky/claude.vim
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11:55 < hprmbridge> Eli> ok, wire transfer me $1 milliion USD
12:14 < flyback> juri thx
12:36 < pasky> kanzure: just get autocomplete from a different plugin, you want a different model (and api) too anyway
12:36 < hprmbridge> kanzure> what's a good autocomplete LLM plugin?
12:36 < hprmbridge> kanzure> I also want visual block -> autocomplete next few lines etc
12:38 < kanzure> pasky: https://github.com/Aider-AI/aider/issues/1018#issuecomment-2691134010
12:39 < L29Ah> Eli: ENOENT
12:40 < pasky> I'm not sure, I just use Codeium / GitHub Copilot which is pretty basic ofc
12:40 < pasky> (Codeium for compliance reasons on proprietary codebase)
12:41 < pasky> (but also it works in vim, not just neovim)
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14:13 < juri_> flyback: wish i could help more. 
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18:44 < fenn> https://i.imgur.com/x3Yyxri.jpeg
18:45 < fenn> L29Ah: i used to think PP was fine but it does leach a bunch of random non-PP stuff you wouldn't expect, when heated. especially in a microwave for some reason
18:46 < fenn> i guess the feedstock gets contaminated somehow
18:53 < L29Ah> fenn: do you have a paper on it perhaps?
18:55 < L29Ah> 10.1016/j.foodchem.2023.135852 elsevier hates me
18:55  * fenn grudingly digs around in the pile
18:58 < fenn> the paper i read was about endocrine disruptors and it was not simply polypropylene polymers or combustion products, i think it literally had BPA or phthalates in it but not sure
18:59 < fenn> it was kinda hit or miss but about 20-30% of the PP and PE containers they tested leached stuff
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