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00:48 < fenn> nmz787: eat potatoes too
00:49 < fenn> Mg helps retain K but not if there isn't enough to start with
01:01 < hprmbridge> nmz787> I ate fries yesterday 😄
01:06 < fenn> good job!
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04:30 < hprmbridge> Katylase> hi friends! how are you?
04:30 < hprmbridge> Katylase> want to see what I made?
04:32 < L29Ah> i hope it is not a picture or another vanity item
04:36 < hprmbridge> Katylase> it's a bio diagram!
04:36 < hprmbridge> Katylase>  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064664282450628710/1375074940554051634/IMG_3224.jpg?ex=68305dd5&is=682f0c55&hm=78e304f002618db7fcdab230e6040177733bb50eaf4b91cac1b965999aeccbca&
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07:39 < jrayhawk> well, that certainly makes voltage-gating clear
07:55 < RangerMauve> nmz787 Commute isn't an issue. My main concern is access to easy food and medicine right now. 😅
07:56 < RangerMauve> @Katylase neat. What did you use to make it?
07:59 < hprmbridge> Katylase> an iPad with a software called amadine, it's like Adobe illustrator, but with one time payment, and it's really easy to use once you learn to navigate it
08:03 < RangerMauve> Nice! It feels like theres potential to kitbash diagrams like this if someone made a collection of "components" to reuse. Now that I think about it, likely that exists already and I just don't know about it.
08:22 < hprmbridge> Katylase> https://www.biorender.com/
08:24 < hprmbridge> Katylase> i prefer to do it all from scratch tho, it's more fun and fully customisable...
08:25 < RangerMauve> Neat. Shame that it's a subscription service though
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10:12 < hprmbridge> nmz787> blah
10:15 < hprmbridge> nmz787> yesterday I cut scotch broom all day, and today I'm not interested in coding
10:15 < hprmbridge> nmz787> or at least having focus problems
10:32 < RangerMauve> Unironically I blame the weather. I've been noticing that rain or major pressure changes has had a noticable effect on people's "capacity". At least noticed in myself and people I know closely.
10:39 < hprmbridge> nmz787> in my case I think I just want more time doing my own projects and less working for someone else
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12:01 < hprmbridge> nmz787> https://www.skywatertechnology.com/lowering-barriers-to-silicon-cadence-launches-mpw-aggregation-service-for-sky130/
12:01 < hprmbridge> nmz787> $10k/40 bare die
12:01 < hprmbridge> nmz787>
12:01 < hprmbridge> nmz787> https://chipfoundry.io/commercial-terms
12:01 < hprmbridge> nmz787> $15k/ 100 bare die (or QFN packages, out of which 10 can be assembled onto M.2 cards)
12:01 < hprmbridge> nmz787>
12:01 < hprmbridge> nmz787> https://wafer.space/about.html
12:01 < hprmbridge> nmz787> $6-8k, 500-1000 dies... is NOT finalized or active yet
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12:46 < fleeky> nmz787: your lab sounds very interesting , any specific bioetch use cases or you aiming for genera purpose ? 
13:04 < hprmbridge> nmz787> generally, DNA synthesis, ideally DNA-synthesis plus cellular transformation
13:04 < hprmbridge> nmz787> super ideally it would also have some sort of phenotype analysis
13:05 < hprmbridge> nmz787> at the least, photospectrometery should be relatively easy as a phenotype check
13:07 < hprmbridge> nmz787> I am like 7-10 drywall boards from being done hanging drywall in the lab room
13:09 < hprmbridge> nmz787> then mudding it, painting the walls, caulking the concrete relief lines in the floor (I think wasps are coming into the room from underground nests), plus dust since it's dirt underneath.... then cleaning and sealing the floor with ideally a conductive epoxy/sealant (to reduce risk of ESD events)
13:10 < hprmbridge> nmz787> then building a smaller room "shell" to support the ceiling mounted HEPA filter units I've got, as a place to put my electron and ion microscope and a workbench
13:53 < fleeky> drywall in the lab ? 
13:53 < fleeky> i'm slowly planning a lab in a 40ft shipping container ,, emphasis on slow since currently we have to use that for storage 
13:54 < fleeky> we were going to surround the outside with 8 inch framing / insulation slap a leanto roof on it , maybe 10kw solar array and then on the inside use materials that are easily disinfected
13:55 < fleeky> would love to see pictures of what you are doing though , sounds great
13:55 < fleeky> i will say the two materias i hate the most in building , insulation / drywall :) 
14:05 < L29Ah> XPS makes a decent insulation and even passable structural material sometimes
14:06  * L29Ah considers building a 20ft-container-shaped modular house mostly out of square steel tubes and XPS
14:22 < fleeky> ah yes , but expensive :) i plan to use 8 inch rock wool around the exterior of the container
14:23 < fleeky> i have xps under the cement slab radiant heat system we poured though
14:23 < fleeky> 'black board'
14:25 < hprmbridge> nmz787> I used 6" rockwool for the insulation (it was a post-framed farm building when I got it, where the prev owner stored their tractor)
14:26 < hprmbridge> nmz787> had concrete poured and built a wall from craigslist sourced greenhouse panels (like $12 each, for something like 2ft x 5ft double-pane)
14:26 < hprmbridge> nmz787> at least drywall is mostly fire-proof
14:26 < hprmbridge> nmz787> I don't like it in the sense of bashing it will cause dust
14:26 < hprmbridge> nmz787> but, uh, I guess I don't bash walls too often, lol
14:28 < hprmbridge> nmz787> for the microscope room walls, I haven't decided what the walls will be.... at the least plastic sheeting would work
14:29 < hprmbridge> nmz787> but I was also considering large-format tiles... fire proof, chemical resistant, bash proof (for small accidents)... but they're not as cheap as I hoped
14:30 < hprmbridge> nmz787> mostly I want to get it setup for positive pressure for dust control, and recirculation to help increase the lifespan of the HEPA filters
14:34 < hprmbridge> nmz787> here's a pic from when I was installing the insulation (I ended up paying someone to finish that, because I hated suiting up with coveralls and a respirator to mitigate the dust exposure) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064664282450628710/1375225439823593532/PXL_20240830_063816732.png?ex=6830e9ff&is=682f987f&hm=6d63be5abe63c83aab801475cc66e1e6dde45d99d70ad880b505fa5e70206454&
14:35 < hprmbridge> nmz787> oh, wait, no that's after the insulation was done
14:58 < L29Ah> fleeky: but certainly much less annoying and simpler to work with than rockwool
14:58 < L29Ah> white-painted OSB > drywall
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15:37 < hprmbridge> nmz787> not for fire
15:38 < hprmbridge> nmz787> well, I mean OSB > drywall in terms of combustibility
15:38 < L29Ah> yeah
15:38 < hprmbridge> nmz787> I live in the forest, wildfire is a concern from the outside... and burning the lab down and then spreading it to the forest (and then possibly my house) is a concern going from inside out
15:39 < hprmbridge> nmz787> for insulation, also you gotta factor in dewpoint stuff
15:42 < L29Ah> XPS is closed-pore so simple in that regard
16:01 < hprmbridge> nmz787> not quite
16:02 < hprmbridge> nmz787> you then have concerns over internal humidity regulation
16:03 < hprmbridge> nmz787> it turns out to be a heck of a lot of engineering, dependent on your geolocation's weather through the year, what sort of HVAC you do/don't have... how well your building envelope is sealed, etc
16:04 < hprmbridge> nmz787> closed cell means no breathing and drying through the wall... so if your envelope is somehow compromised, it might stay wet and more easily rot
16:05 < L29Ah> internal humidity regulation is always a concern, and one has ventilation for that
16:06 < L29Ah> and if you optimize for decent CO2, you typically solve condensation by a large margin as a byproduct
16:13 < hprmbridge> nmz787> internal humidity is much less of a concern if your walls are permeable
16:14 < hprmbridge> nmz787> also occupancy rate is a factor
16:14 < hprmbridge> nmz787> for my workshop, it's generally uninhabited, so will trend toward the outside averages
16:14 < hprmbridge> nmz787> if I start a business and am in there with several other humans for 16 hours a day... different scenario
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18:29 < fleeky> nmz787:  damn you doing a good job building that out , i wasnt trying to criticize your usage of materials i am sure you thought it through btw 
18:31 < fleeky> very inspiring , doing all that work is hard, are you building it primarily yourself ? 
18:52 < hprmbridge> nmz787> I guess 50/50 so far
18:55 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Paid for the concrete work, paid for the wall to be built (but sourced the windows and door myself), sourced the rockwool and did maybe 1/6th of the install before paying someone to finish, hanging the drywall myself and have planned on finishing it too (my dad was/is a pro at that). I have a paint sprayer so hardest part will probably be taping plastic over the stuff I don't want colored. Sealing
18:55 < hprmbridge> nmz787> the floor seems easy enough in principle to sign up for too
18:55 < hprmbridge> nmz787> There's definitely a tradeoff of sweat equity vs rapidity and exact implementation details
18:57 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Like mouse proofing before the insulation, I used steel wool in any hole I could find, then stapled 1/8 inch hardware cloth to the bottom of the wall cavity. And using soundproofing goop/caulk between the drywall and studs (my idea is to reduce the chance of dust coming in through any cracks).
18:59 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Trying to get the average tier contractor to pay attention to minutiae is either impossible, or requires paying more or finding some sort of "specialist"
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