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00:01 < hprmbridge> nmz787> informative https://www.reddit.com/r/SolidWorks/comments/1kh8wsi/comment/mraa66y/
00:02 < hprmbridge> nmz787> theorhetically a tree-limb mulcher robot could somehow power itself by eating tree twigs, and diverting some of the mulch into it's internal wood gas biochar-generator reactor...
00:03 < hprmbridge> nmz787> but probably that would be ridiculous in realization
00:03 < fenn> the regular price $50/yr isn't bad either
00:03 < hprmbridge> nmz787> it's less than what I send openAI
00:05 < fenn> fusion 360 doing the inevitable treachery on its users kinda makes me not want to ever touch "cloud" software
00:07 < fenn> i guess you could get both just to export it locally, and then you can run simulations too
00:07 < fenn> but still, why do i feel like i'm going to get screwed
00:08 < fenn> re wood gas, make sure to distill all the tasty methanol out of the mulch first
00:09 < fenn> then you can run that methanol later in higher power density machines
00:09 < fenn> once you get your lab going maybe download some cellulosic ethanol warez enzymes
00:10 < fenn> that's a thing right
00:10 < fenn> bionet
00:11 < hprmbridge> nmz787> should be
00:11 < hprmbridge> nmz787> well I really would like Ben to learn this stuff... he has been spending like 6 hours a day playing minecraft due to nothing else going on during summer break with us working all day during the week
00:12 < hprmbridge> nmz787> so I wonder if all the advanced UI and AI stuff they mentioned actually works well enough to divert some of his attention in a chain-reaction/self-amplifying way
00:12 < hprmbridge> nmz787> he isn't getting hooked on blender or brlcad or anything right now
00:13 < hprmbridge> nmz787> i keep meaning to look into tinkercad, but I know solidworks does mechanical simulations or at least joints and stuff... and that seems like it might be present in this maker cloud thing too
00:13 < fenn> yes the cloud version not the windows version
00:13 < hprmbridge> nmz787> even if all the cloud stuff evaporates, at least it might build interest and skills
00:14 < fenn> would you trust him alone with a 3d printer?
00:14 < hprmbridge> nmz787> the kid is only 7 lol, but if he could be designing a garden robot and then I just buy a nice bambu printer...
00:14 < hprmbridge> nmz787> lol
00:15 < hprmbridge> nmz787> yeah I guess, at least the bambu seems largely foolproof
00:15 < fenn> allegedly
00:15 < fenn> if you don't care too much about quality then it's not hard to set up a printer
00:16 < fenn> i'm more wondering if he's going to stick his hands in the mechanism or touch the hot thing
00:16 < hprmbridge> nmz787> it seems the AMS (multi color dispenser and holder thing) is well sealed and maybe has a heater to keep it dry or something... or maybe you have to change a drie-rite or MgSO4 packet/pellets now and then... but apparently that helps normalize the feedstock in terms of moisture and flattens performance curve
00:16 < hprmbridge> nmz787> oh, nah
00:16 < hprmbridge> nmz787> if he does, oh well, he probably wont again
00:17 < fenn> the AMS costs as much as the printer itself
00:17 < hprmbridge> nmz787> I trust him well enough with power tools out on the property
00:17 < hprmbridge> nmz787> there's some decent "july 4th" sale
00:17 < hprmbridge> nmz787> it's like 25% more with AMS
00:17 < fenn> AMS has CaCl2 packets which can be substituted with reusable silica gel
00:18 < hprmbridge> nmz787> I learned about gridfinity recently, after searching for organizers for my socket wrenches
00:18 < hprmbridge> nmz787> the pellets can usually be baked I think, even if not silica
00:18 < hprmbridge> nmz787> maybe I'm wrong
00:19 < fenn> cacl2 turns into a liquid
00:19 < fenn> there is a big bag around somewhere which has probably solidified into a lump by now
00:19 < fenn> anyway then you have to dispose of it somehow
00:20 < fenn> there are also solid state dehumidifier chips, but this is not really a consumer product yet
00:20 < fenn> https://www.micro-dehumidifier.com/rosahl/how-does-rosahl-work-3/
00:21 < fenn> fair warning, if you get a 3d printer you might turn into a 3d printer person
00:21 < fenn> it really does make 3d modeling seem more fun and useful
00:21 < fenn> like, anyone can eyeball a welded angle iron frame
00:22 < fenn> it takes 3d modeling to just barely make a welded frame!
00:22 < hprmbridge> nmz787> I finally got the RC mower upgraded with a 100A alternator so it can effectively roam the property without killing the batteries... and since it's a 24V output, figure it should be able to power a microwave pointed at the ground, if the motors are not driving it at the same time
00:22 < hprmbridge> nmz787> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064664282450628710/1390231243651551272/AP1GczM_whZbYcWl6C5ySRPfT-8PgeYdKEQceIqL6bqnEmSt3S-Lm9aajiNmUQw1470-h1103-s-no-gm.png?ex=6867813d&is=68662fbd&hm=3f370367aac5acdcb7c06a4e075d757898ed760a14a996c6717e1e93d7e35eff&
00:23 < fenn> why is 24V relevant? isn't it just a car inverter and low power microwave oven?
00:23 < hprmbridge> nmz787>  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064664282450628710/1390231557410783272/AP1GczNsdLOEFDJ_3WCQolVio7OzY1lwozjEi4HA8Vau4LBFkEu2f3PB3lX2qww828-h1103-s-no-gm.png?ex=68678188&is=68663008&hm=242708e345ba1fc316b1a86683d1358cb62237a749de0acf6d80ef2e8d522d6c&
00:24 < hprmbridge> nmz787> the motors are 24V
00:24 < hprmbridge> nmz787> that's the old alternator, it was like 600 or 800 W
00:24 < hprmbridge> nmz787> I metered the motors drawing something like 75 amps uphill
00:24 < fenn> wow
00:25 < hprmbridge> nmz787> oh, I just wanted to provide all the data for power... 24V * 100A
00:25 < fenn> is that a worm gear?
00:25 < hprmbridge> nmz787> more than a house microwave 1500-2000W
00:26 < hprmbridge> nmz787> the alternator? no, it's brushless delco.. I think for like a schoolbus
00:26 < hprmbridge> nmz787> the motors, maybe
00:26 < hprmbridge> nmz787> I could not tow it
00:26 < hprmbridge> nmz787> the one time it died on me
00:26 < fenn> cheap inverters top out around 1000W and inrush current yadda yadda i think you can get away with the tiny 600W ones on a typical inverter
00:27 < fenn> fyi worm gears are very inefficient
00:27 < hprmbridge> nmz787> looks like $90-100 for a 1500-2000W 24V based inverter
00:28 < fenn> huh ok
00:28 < hprmbridge> nmz787> well at least it doesn't run away on me on a steep hill
00:28 < hprmbridge> nmz787> that's useful for the application
00:29 < hprmbridge> nmz787> but I think there was a video of someone running a microwave off DC
00:30 < hprmbridge> nmz787> https://hackaday.com/2023/12/04/powering-a-cavity-magnetron-from-a-battery/
00:30 < hprmbridge> nmz787> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udIEGE5mfcA
00:30 < hprmbridge> nmz787> oh!!! https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MyQgRyLYlGqkrFBLRWcR7STFDM9IlVSg/view
00:32 < fenn> right you could just switch DC into a transformer...
00:33 < fenn> maybe even use the same primary with a different tap point... shave off some insulation
00:34 < hprmbridge> nmz787> or 3d print a coil winder and never suffer the exclusion of "big coil" trying to keep the masses oppressed!
00:34 < fenn> definitely not approved under warranty
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01:37 < fenn> good explanation of how a magnetron works in that video
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05:04 < L29Ah> 09:20:19]<fenn> there are also solid state dehumidifier chips, but this is not really a consumer product yet
05:04 < L29Ah> did you mean: silica gel, atomic sieves
05:05 < fenn> no, see the link i posted immediately after
05:05 < fenn> it actively pumps moisture out of a container
05:06 < fenn> something similar could be constructed using silica gel or atomic sieves, but it would also have moving valves or pumps
05:07 < L29Ah> somehow i doubt hydrogen and oxygen react readily
05:10  * fenn grumbles something about catalysts
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05:11 < L29Ah> sure if hydrogen won't run away, and you don't have dust to clog them
05:12 < L29Ah> in other news, i used a 3d printed calcium chloride container in my filament dry box, now i have a puddle of calcium chloride solution at the bottom, too lazy to mop it up
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05:36 < hprmbridge> kanzure> I do not recommend reading "the valun money plan" but the rest of the post is a moderately interesting attempt by an accountant to bring legitimacy to his profession https://beyondmoney.net/resource-links/e-c-riegels-valun-mutual-money-plan/
05:37 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://www.community-exchange.org/docs/Riegel/private_enterprise_money.pdf
05:39 < L29Ah> E486: Pattern not found: trust
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06:41 < hprmbridge> kanzure> (LLM slop) "Riegel recasts money as nothing but the traders’ own accounting of split barter: every purchase is a self-issued IOU (a debit) and every sale is its offsetting credit. Because the buyer’s promise is automatically limited by his ability to sell, the community as a whole disciplines issuance without need of banks, reserves or state coercion. The sole purpose of money, he argues, is to
06:41 < hprmbridge> kanzure> let consumption and production keep pace by allowing any participant to create the purchasing power needed to clear his own goods. Where Mises or Hayek trace monetary soundness to a spontaneously chosen commodity (gold) that constrains issuance, Riegel locates the constraint in bilateral accounting: the trader’s need to earn back what he has already spent. Austrians defend commodity convertibility
06:41 < hprmbridge> kanzure> to anchor value; Riegel dismisses convertibility altogether, insisting value is already “backed” the moment a seller accepts the IOU. Both traditions champion decentralization and contract, yet Riegel’s scheme is radical even by Austrian standards: it abolishes banks as intermediaries, replaces interest-bearing loans with direct self-issuance, and defines the monetary unit as pure number rather
06:41 < hprmbridge> kanzure> than a weight of metal. In short, Austrians want private commodity money; Riegel wants private accounting money."
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08:27 < hprmbridge> kanzure> "Riegel insists that money is born out of each purchase: the buyer writes a debit (an IOU) against his own credibility, the seller receives an equal credit, and the two ledger entries together complete what he calls a “split barter.” Because the debit can originate only from a buyer in the act (barter) of acquiring goods, the source of all money is the buyer."
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14:32 < kanzure> church lab down bad https://x.com/StefanZukin/status/1940858183326879934
14:37 < kanzure> next WWW monetization model: instead of ad inventory racing to the bottom chasing risky impressions (which don't even happen anymore anyway), capital will fund grants for content creation;  reputable creators can bulk apply to matching pre-funded grants, get screened, & then paid upfront.
14:40 < kanzure> sanjay accepted the synbiobeta keynote!! https://x.com/sanjay_world/status/1939004428842832255
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19:22 < hprmbridge> kanzure> $155m seed round for DNA data storage company "AtlasDS" https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/atlas-data-storage-announces-initial-close-of-seed-financing-302445893.html?tc=eml_cleartime
19:32 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Huh, never heard of any of those people
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