--- Log opened Mon Jul 14 00:00:40 2025
00:10 < hprmbridge> nmz787> not that I can find
00:11 < hprmbridge> nmz787> well, this one says qwerty https://typeware.tech/
00:11 < hprmbridge> nmz787> but it's pre-order
00:11 < hprmbridge> nmz787> I ordered the TapXR for $160
00:12 < hprmbridge> nmz787> it might be an expensive gadget, but I guess I'll take one for the team, for science!
00:12 < hprmbridge> nmz787> that pre-order is $275 which is... a bit much I feel
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00:15 < hprmbridge> nmz787> that one does appear to be two-handed, and mentions something about seamless switching to mouse without reorienting your hand
00:15 < hprmbridge> nmz787> I was mostly thinking of trying the tapXR and if I didn't like it, I have a 30 day return window with amazon
00:19 < fenn> the comments were all like "this was about as hard as learning to play guitar" so i figured it was some chording keyboard interface
00:19 < fenn> which seems more like a failure to use good AI rather than a hardware limitation
00:20 < fenn> you should be able to use a good camera to detect regular typing movements and just pretend there's a keyboard there
00:20 < fenn> it could even have haptic feedback
00:21 < hprmbridge> nmz787> https://www.youtube.com/@TypewareTech
00:22 < hprmbridge> nmz787> fenn do you mean this comment? "I find the TapStrap hard to put on and it puts quite a strain on finger tendons typing. I had difficulty learning the guitar, and the Tap Straps has about a similar learning curve."
00:22 < hprmbridge> nmz787> that is about an earlier product
00:22 < hprmbridge> nmz787> tapStrap != tapXR
00:45 < fenn> whatever, they're both chording keyboards
00:45 < fenn> my point is you have to learn a new input scheme
00:46 < hprmbridge> nmz787> the typeware one looks less like a coding keyboard from their videos
00:47 < fenn> i haven't looked into that much but it reminded me of perky which also had a chording style input even though it had multiple degrees of freedom per finger
00:49 < fenn> uh, for japanese characters anyway
00:50 < fenn> that's a big difference isn't it
00:50 < fenn> i guess typeware is what i want
00:52 < hprmbridge> nmz787> it seems very "pre order" based on their videos
00:52 < hprmbridge> nmz787> like maybe not this year...
00:52 < nsh> https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/nasa_systems_engineering_handbook_0.pdf
00:52 < fenn> maybe not ever, as these things go
00:54 < fenn> this scrape of the defunct perky website is in an unknown (to me) character encoding but it was auto detected by chrome when i loaded it a long time ago: https://fennetic.net/mirrors/perky_chording_keyboard.tgz
00:54 < fenn> mostly for the pictures
00:54 < fenn> ah i should have linked here instead https://fennetic.net/mirrors/homepage2.nifty.com/perky/
00:56 < nsh> --
00:56 < nsh> f confirmed, this is one of the most significant developments in space technology in a long time, and could fundamentally change satellite economics.
00:56 < nsh> Satellite refueling in geostationary orbit has been a holy grail for decades but it's an extraordinarily complex technical challenge. NASA tried during 8 years with its OSAM-1 program but ultimately threw in the towel.
00:56 < nsh> -- https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1944417649624248490
00:58 < fenn> meanwhile, this is your new boss https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-14893333/MTV-reality-TV-star-head-NASA-Sean-Duffy.html
00:59 < fenn> NASA is legendarily risk averse. the fact they gave up doesn't mean it's not possible, it means they couldn't afford to fail and be embarrassed
01:00 < fenn> meanwhile, china can just fail and not tell anyone
01:00 < fenn> isn't openness and transparency great?
01:03 < hprmbridge> nmz787> ok, paid $27.50 for the pre-order of that typeware kb... here's to hoping for a better future
01:03 < fenn> also iirc there was a commercial service that demonstrated this capability a few years ago, the whole robotic arm docking thing seemed overkill to me
01:03  * fenn crosses ten fingers
01:05 < fenn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_Extension_Vehicle
01:06 < fenn> that was the commercial thing
01:06 < fenn> "OSAM-1 was a 2016-2024 conceptual NASA mission and spacecraft designed to test on-orbit refilling of satellites. The program was cancelled in 2024, two years ahead of its planned launch date." so they never even tried
03:17 < hprmbridge> Katylase> hi friends! how are you doing?
08:49 < hprmbridge> Eli> https://havemore.kids/
09:04 < hprmbridge> kanzure> this is just data, not arguments in favor of childmaking
09:25 < hprmbridge> Eli> True
10:40 < L29Ah> somalia rocks
11:42 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Welp, apparently I was on a spree last night and also (pre) ordered viture luma pro glasses.
11:43 < hprmbridge> nmz787> I also found people 3d printing split ergo keyboards, so presumably I could try designing one myself too
11:44 < RangerMauve> nmz787: Might be interested in this: https://github.com/boomskats/woahland scripts for using viture 3dof accelerometer to control mouse cursor
11:44 < RangerMauve> I haven't gotten it working yet, might be some udev issues
11:45 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Ignoring the number row, seems like you could have some sort of eeg or flex/stress sensor on each finger to detect forward/reverse/relaxed finger pressure rather than actually needing to move your finger forward or back on a surface to go between keyboard rows
11:46 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Rogermauve i read spacewalker doesn't work on Linux, what's the visual experience like by default? Any video at all?
11:46 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Displaylink kernel module required?
11:47 < L29Ah> the flex sensor thing was implemented a few times as ropes and as actual flex sensors, googleit
11:47 < RangerMauve> Also re: typeware. I was thinking of getting the Twiddler 4 since the optical mouse was a major need for me from this form factor
11:48 < L29Ah> if you want a hmd that works well on linux, consider xreal air
11:48 < L29Ah> i have twiddler 3 and hate it
11:50 < hprmbridge> nmz787> I was considering xreal one  or one pro, but the screenshare ability of viture and some comments that implied less visual artifacts for text and distortion at corners sold me on viture
11:50 < hprmbridge> nmz787> (share using their dock pro)
11:50 < hprmbridge> nmz787> My kid also has nintendo switch and you need like 4 adapters with xreal, vs just the viture dock pro
11:52 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Tiwddler 4 looks maybe ok... I see a pic of someone holding two, and each has 3 rows plus thumb buttons for shift/etc
11:52 < RangerMauve> The default experience with HMDs is it's a fixed screen that acts like a monitor which for my use case is fine. I've got theMad Gaze, Rokid Max, and Viture XR Pro. I'm considering getting the new XReal for the camera attachment and the on-device 3dof/6dof tracking.
11:52 < RangerMauve> What do you hate about the twiddler 3 L29Ah ?
11:53 < RangerMauve> My only chorded keyboard has been the tap strap 2 and I found it was inadequate for coding due to limits on applying modifiers to the raw key codes. Their UI for configuring bindings couldn't register the Super key so it made a lot of my bindings unusable
11:54 < RangerMauve> The shift+ctrl+alt buttons on the top of the twiddler is the other thing I find exciting. Their non optical mouse on the 3 made it less appealing but the new version seems to check off all my reqs
11:55 < RangerMauve> TBH I'm enjoying the keyboard/controller setup I have on my GPD Win 4. Just not as handy when I'm walking around with a drink
11:55 < RangerMauve> Or recently I was getting a tatoo so I couldn't use one of my arms :P
11:56 < RangerMauve> https://github.com/RangerMauve/my-gpd-setup
11:57 < RangerMauve> I'm in an AR discord and there's been a lot more buzz around IO rings for controlling. Been thinking of adding some gestures to some of these cheap rings by reworking the firmware
11:59 < RangerMauve> I'm still aiming to put some of these EMGs to use to use as input devices from my back muscles >:)
12:00 < RangerMauve> nmz787: The adapters are largely overkill, you just need something that can supply power to the switch in addition to the video out. I use my Rokid adapter RN. The thing is you then need to remove the controllers from the switch which is also a PITA
12:04 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Gpd?
12:04 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Link (https://www.gpd.hk/gpdwin4) is dead
12:05 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Oh is it some handheld laptop console keyboard thingy?
12:05 < RangerMauve> https://www.gpd.hk/gpdwin42025
12:05 < RangerMauve> It's like a steam deck but smaller and more beefy and has a keyboard
12:05 < RangerMauve> My primary machine ATM
12:07 < RangerMauve> Sadly the iGPU hasn't been usable for AI stuff for me yet. Gotta figure out if this blog will help: https://blog.machinezoo.com/Running_Ollama_on_AMD_iGPU
12:07 < RangerMauve> CPU inference is decent for 7B models tho
12:20 < hprmbridge> kanzure> "Fertile androgenetic mice generated by targeted epigenetic editing of imprinting control regions" https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2425307122
12:24 < L29Ah> RangerMauve: llama.cpp works great on my amd igpu
12:25 < L29Ah> RangerMauve: consider Qwen3 30B MoE for cpu/igpu inference instead of a dense 7B model; it is much smarter
12:26 < L29Ah> 20:52:26]<RangerMauve> What do you hate about the twiddler 3 L29Ah ?
12:26 < L29Ah> the buttons are shitty tactile ones with <1mm travel; the joystick is a simple 8 position button effectively
12:28 < L29Ah> i couldn't motivate myself learning the chording after figuring the joystick is much MUCH worse than a trackpoint and can't be upgraded easily (the firmware is closed source)
12:29 < L29Ah> also the case is strongly glued together (probably with ABS juice or so) and i had to vandalize it to disassemble
12:32 < L29Ah> https://www.precisionnutrition.com/the-cost-of-health-optimization nice overview of personal longevity optimization for a layman
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17:33 < fenn> Mark Zuckerberg 
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17:33 < fenn> SemiAnalysis just reported that Meta is on track to be the first lab to bring a 1GW+ supercluster online. 💪
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18:01 < hprmbridge> kanzure> cool
18:11 < L29Ah> Total equity	Increase US$182.6 billion (2024)
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