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02:56 < TMA> fenn: old people are the enemies, actually. it's called 'demographic transition' iirc.
02:58 < TMA> too few children lead to too few workers lead to too many retirees in proportion to the workers
03:16 < fenn> that would just drive up labor costs
03:16 < fenn> the only demographic transition we need is the transition to a robot based economy
03:17 < fenn> then everyone can "retire" and do what they actually want to do, instead of some bullshit make-work fake job
03:23 < hprmbridge> .monokhrome> I was hoping all these boomer voters would drive demands for massive investments in medical research and life extension, but I haven't noticed it happening.
04:17 < hprmbridge> kanzure> one day we will succeed at convincing jonathan anomaly to apply his talents outside the field of ethics https://philpapers.org/archive/ANOTEO-2.pdf it's not like reasonable arguments are going to convince unreasonable ethicists.
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05:28 < L29Ah> MuaddibLLM: how many americans were killed by the USA biological weapons program?
05:29 < MuaddibLLM> digging into US bioweapons program casualties - lab accidents vs field tests...
05:29 < MuaddibLLM> found the Fort Detrick data and Sea-Spray incident, tallying casualties...
05:29 < MuaddibLLM> At least 3 documented deaths - all Fort Detrick lab workers during the offensive program (1942-1969): 2 from anthrax (1951, 1958) and 1 from viral encephalitis (1964), plus potentially 1 civilian (Edward Nevin) from Operation Sea-Spray in San Francisco 1950, though causation is disputed - https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1200679/ and 
05:29 < MuaddibLLM> https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/1950-us-released-bioweapon-san-francisco-180955819/
05:30 < L29Ah> .monokhrome: that's why we need propaganda
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06:08 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://www.janelia.org/news/researchers-reveal-connectome-of-the-male-fruit-fly-central-nervous-system
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09:00 < kanzure> OK, so you have heard about p-zombie arguments, but what about philosophy-zombie arguments? it's the same thing, except we get to imagine a world where the agent updates his beliefs based on zombie world philosophy arguments.
09:02 < kanzure> some sort of philosophy self-updating monster. another peculiar version of this is to imagine a world where people update their beliefs after reading books. spooky.
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10:09 < RangerMauve> fenn If all the robots are owned by centralized corporations why would they want the humans they own to retire and do what they want VS kill them off more quickly?
10:10 < RangerMauve> I agree it'd be nice if robots could do all the labor, but since laborers lack power I think it's more likely that those in power will just want them gone altogether
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13:28 < kanzure> here is a fun new way to attack the commons https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/2005#issuecomment-3408152482
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17:35 < hprmbridge> kanzure> human brain volume has another 2-3x before hitting some scaling limits https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3973910/
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20:35 < hprmbridge> kanzure> huh? why did this impact mouse longevity? https://www.aging-us.com/article/206304/text
20:37 < hprmbridge> kanzure> "The researchers compare the enzymes to scissors working on the molecular scale: by snipping off part of the type A antigen chains, they can be turned into the ABO antigen-free status that characterizes type O blood." what? wouldn't the cells just... grow new "type A" antigen chains??
20:38 < hprmbridge> kanzure> "Enzyme-converted O kidneys allow ABO-incompatible transplantation without hyperacute rejection in a human decedent model" https://www.nature.com/articles/s41551-025-01513-6
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23:27 < fenn> "Authors must proactively disclose any use of LLMs" seems like the losing side of history
23:27 < fenn> in a few years it will be hard to find non-extremists who aren't using LLMs in some way, for anything
23:28 < fenn> assuming we still call AI LLM by then
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23:51 < fenn> fun with exponential growth math https://h2h8.com/your-legacy/memento-wishes/
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