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01:54 < kanzure> hmph
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04:12 < hprmbridge> Eli> I’m kind of in uncharted territory. The surgery itself is experimental and I might be the only person in the planet that has had it done on this many discs in the back. The exosomes are definitely experimental. But it’s a risk I’m willing to take at this point.
04:12 < hprmbridge> Eli>
04:12 < hprmbridge> Eli> Part of the stack is to do Enhanced Recovery After Surgery, which actually has pretty good data and is becoming more common. The rest of the stack also has human data for healing, and is very low risk, so I’m thinking risk/reward ratio is good. Gonna run BPC-157/TB4. should speed up healing. Protein has decent human data. Really want to hit my mTOR pathway hard. Collagen is just amino acids plus
04:12 < hprmbridge> Eli> vitamin C. So, you can get that with the protein and vitamin C supplement. As far as I can tell, collagen supplements are maybe just cheaper than taking protein/vit C? I’ve always been confused as to why people take them and think they are special?
04:19 < hprmbridge> Eli> If the surgery goes well, I might do a video on it. I had two previous surgeries of the same type. Biotech is basically magical at this point. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064664282450628710/1450462222630387814/IMG_1751.jpg?ex=69429fb6&is=69414e36&hm=fc12d2aa93b9b97b51a4faa4fba1176f4340cbbe18fb103bbd8884fec437756c&
04:20 < hprmbridge> Eli> Doc gave me some of the fibrin they injected in my disc last time so I injected it into a potato with a crack in it. It sealed the crack. Pretty incredible they can do this.
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06:09 < hprmbridge> kanzure> "our data indicate that individuals with the DAT 9R/9R gene variant may have a decreased ability to accurately interpret and understand the mental and emotional states of others" so wait which one is the desirable variant.
06:41 < hprmbridge> setecastronomy1891> Did you fracture a vertebra?
06:45 < hprmbridge> Eli> Nah, I just have a lot of discs leaking from trauma. Some herniations. Once they inject the fibrin in the annulus fibrosus, it should seal the leaks. Then chondroblasts seed the fibrin and it gets replaced with chondrocytes over time. Exosomes injected intrathecal. Theoretically superior to fusion/ADR, because it’s your own body healing the disc.
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07:11 < pasky> fenn: i tried to drop it from the prompt, i'll observe what happens in czech interactions
07:20 <+gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=884646c4 Bryan Bishop: some anti-allergies mutations, better mouse memory enhanement table >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/genetic-modifications/
07:20 <+gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=5b18cab4 Bryan Bishop: tweaks for better/worse theory of mind performance >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/genetic-modifications/
07:20 <+gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=e4c5dcd2 Bryan Bishop: some anti-obesity mutations >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/genetic-modifications/
07:57 < L29Ah> found a new source of cheap soy flour, continuing my storable microwave cupcake experiments
07:59 < L29Ah> ground flaxseed doesn't seem to help with increasing foaming, or i have some sort of sequencing problem
07:59  * L29Ah inserts a spoonful of soy flour in Eli
08:01 < L29Ah> people take collagen because it is cheap, because it is grossly unbalanced and comes from refuse
08:03 < L29Ah> pasky: i'm sure you can infer whether the input is czech or not with a simple letter frequency algorithm, and then decide on what prompt to use
08:19 < kanzure> so nice of WADA to make a comprehensive list for us https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/2024-09/2025list_en_final_clean_12_september_2024.pdf
08:19 < jrayhawk> people take collagen because we have direct collagen transporters for lack of plant proline proteases. whether or not it's "grossly imbalanced" depends on what sort of glycine-to-methionine your genetics are set up for.
08:19 < jrayhawk> and what else you're eating
08:21 < jrayhawk> COMT and MTHFR being the most common determinants of that ratio.
08:21 < jrayhawk> But there are plenty of othres.
08:22 < kanzure> MuaddibLLM: i demand that you find a really, really good review article about the genetics of glycine-to-methionine balance and nutritional genetics across other various axis.
08:22 < MuaddibLLM> On it, boss. Digging for the definitive tome on why your MTHFR status determines if you should be chugging bone broth or soy slurry.
08:22 < L29Ah> MuaddibLLM: what is the bioavailability of eaten collagen in humans?
08:23 < MuaddibLLM> Not intact collagen, but pretty decent bioavailability as small peptides: oral collagen is digested to amino acids + collagen-derived di/tri-peptides (notably hydroxyproline-containing like Pro-Hyp) that show up in human blood for a few hours and can reach tissues, so it is “bioavailable” as peptides, just not as whole collagen fibers.
08:23 < MuaddibLLM> kanzure: For the deep dive on the GNMT buffering mechanism (the actual genetic throttle for your glycine/methionine ratio), *Glycine and aging: Evidence and mechanisms* (2023) [1] is the current state-of-the-art overview, but if you want the broader methylation-circuit context covering the polymorphisms, *Methionine metabolism and methyltransferases in the regulation of aging and lifespan* (Parkhitko et al., 2019) [2] is 
08:23 < MuaddibLLM> the "really, really good review" that likely underpins the mechanism jrayhawk is referencing.; ; [1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1568163723000818; [2] https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/acel.13034
08:23 < kanzure> but that's not what i asked for
08:24 < L29Ah> kanzure: WADA is quite dumb, they collect stuff that they found people using, not the stuff that is found to be beneficial
08:24 < kanzure> okay...... maybe the export control list would be better.
08:27 < jrayhawk> the "aging" framework is a bit eyerolling, but these papers seem broadly acceptable for what you asked
08:27 < L29Ah> ~50% bioavailability as measured with Hyp in rats apparently
08:28 < jrayhawk> rats aren't obligate predators
08:28 < L29Ah> neither are humans or their predecessors
08:28 < kanzure> yea i should have emphasized nutritional differences due to genomic differences as the subject.
08:29 < L29Ah> MuaddibLLM: download me https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0963996925008166
08:30 < MuaddibLLM> ScienceDirect is being a bitch with captchas, let me dig for that collagen bioavailability paper on other outlets.
08:30 < MuaddibLLM> Grabbing that collagen bioavailability paper from PubMed to see the actual numbers.
08:32 < MuaddibLLM> Checking human bioavailability percentages for collagen peptides, not just the coffee study.
08:33 < MuaddibLLM> Bioavailability is substantial but complex: 36-47% of absorbed hydroxyproline appears as peptide-bound collagen fragments (Pro-Hyp, Hyp-Gly) in circulation, not just free amino acids; free hydroxyproline spikes 6-10x baseline within 2 hours. Source matters modestly (fish→higher Hyp-Gly, porcine→higher total Hyp), but all collagen hydrolysates yield relevant plasma peptide concentrations via PepT1 transport. (Ref: 2024 
08:33 < MuaddibLLM> bioavailability study PMC11325589; coffee doesn't significantly affect peptide uptake per 2025 Food Res Int paper.)
08:34 < jrayhawk> yes, humans are obligate carnivores. complete inability to synthesize cobalamins, practical inability to synthesize docosahexaenoic acid, insufficiencies ability to synthesize choline, menatetrenone, retinoid, carnitine, caronsine, creatine, collagen, obvious transition in carbon isotope ratios coinciding with archeological evidence of ruminant butchering and shortening of intestines and loss of 
08:34 < jrayhawk> fermentive foregut 2-3mya.
08:35 < jrayhawk> even the vegans admit the b12 thing
08:40 < jrayhawk> when i started eating a high-collagen, high-retinoid diet, i started literally shedding my old scar tissue
08:42 < jrayhawk> one of those was a facial scar i had lived with for 20 years
08:48 < jrayhawk> nowadays it exacerbates my hyperhomocysteinemia unless i carefully manage it
08:48 < jrayhawk> varied genetics, changing life circumstances
09:03 < kanzure> menstrual blood stem cell banking product.. thing. https://www.mycells.bio/
09:06 < L29Ah> jrayhawk: how much collagen and retinoid, and how much time until the impact on scars?
09:07 < L29Ah> collagen proper or chemically mangled beyond what is attainable with long boiling?
09:10 < jrayhawk> it was slow-cooked beef ribs (back, short), ham hocks, and beef liver. it was 13ish years ago and i can't remember the timing to that level of detail.
09:18 < kanzure> how come dyslexia heritability being at 75% is not as politically challenged as intelligence heritability.
09:18  * L29Ah still couldn't figure what creatine supplementation does to him that small parts of his muscles ache randomly on exertion, but it persists at doses of 500-1000mg daily (but rarer)
09:18 < hprmbridge> Eli> uh oh. What is your homocysteine level and how are you getting it down?
09:20 < jrayhawk> the skin remodelling was on accident. if i had reason to deliberately induce skin remodelling today, there's interesting literature on red/infrared photochemistry and st. johns wort extract i would exploit.
09:24 < L29Ah> my fren has a huge scar inside her butt's fat tissue, would be fun if it is actually repairable with something like that
09:25 < jrayhawk> re: homocysteine level: i haven't measured it, but it manifests as Reynaud's phenomenon and depression (d1 antagonism) that gets worse when I eat large amounts of methionine or glycine, and gets better when I eat choline (which I eat well-north of 1g/d of) and tetrahydrofolates (which i am limited on due to the folate cycle's use of DHFR competitively inhibiting tetrahydrobiopterin recycling.)
09:26 < L29Ah> i wonder if jrayhawk is bryan johnson's son in disguise
09:30 <+gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=38773015 Bryan Bishop: add KIAA0319, SRPX2, MEF2C variants for language ability >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/genetic-modifications/
09:31 < jrayhawk> choline is via eggs and liver most of the time, and sunflower lecithin supplements in situations where eggs and liver aren't available. tetrahydrofolates are primarily via leafy greens where available and 5mthf supplements cut down to 400μg where not.
09:33 < jrayhawk> leafy greens have much more gradual and well-regulated absorption and are generally harder to screw up than 5mthf supplements.
09:36 < kanzure> disregard and overemphasize membrane synthesis
09:40 < jrayhawk> i cannot emphasize strongly enough: giant doses of 5mthf or deplin as commonly sold are capable of crashing BH4/BH2 recycling, which means you just stop synthesizing serotonin, melatonin, dopamine, norepinephrine, and nitric oxide. If ever you want to prove to yourself that the monoamine hypothesis of depression is true, this is a dangerously effective way of doing so.
09:45 < kanzure> well now you have to leave instructions for exiting that trap.
09:52 < jrayhawk> the folate trap will gradually metabolize itself away, the rate of which will depend on your genetics. 15mg was 6ish hours for me. i am heterozygous for c677t, a1298c and whatever the third one i always forget is. YMMV.
09:53 < kanzure> MuaddibLLM: find me a research article where transgenic mice are made immune to the monoamine hypothesis of depression based on the above mechanisms.
09:53 < jrayhawk> it will probably last longer if you are cobalamin-deficient
09:53 < MuaddibLLM> Digging for transgenic mice hardcoded against the folate/BH4 crash—checking if anyone's engineered a rodent that laughs at monoamine depletion.
09:54 < MuaddibLLM> Error: No valid text or tool use found in response. Retrying (1/3)...
09:54 < MuaddibLLM> Angoa-Pérez et al. (2014) produced the actual "immunity" paper: *Tph2*-null mice with virtually zero brain serotonin displayed **no** depression-like behaviors (forced swim/tail suspension), effectively trolling the monoamine hypothesis, though they were hypersensitive to social stress (ACS Chem. Neurosci., "Mice Genetically Depleted of Brain Serotonin Do Not Display a Depression-like Behavioral Phenotype"). 
09:54 < MuaddibLLM> Mechanistically, *Qdpr*-deficient mice (which survive solely on DHFR for BH4 recycling, per *FEBS Lett* 2014) would be the specific candidates to test jrayhawk's "folate trap" crash, as they lack the primary recycling pathway and would arguably brick their neurotransmitters instantly under high-folate load competitive inhibition.
09:56 < L29Ah> MuaddibLLM: what was that opinion piece about neurotransmitter and immune system stuff specifically being crazy complex and redundantly redundant to compensate and screw up low complexity parasitic invaders
09:56 < MuaddibLLM> Hunting for that specific rant on biological spaghetti code vs. parasitic scripts.
09:57 < MuaddibLLM> Checking if this is a Scott Alexander or LessWrong deep cut about biology's spaghetti code defense.
09:57 < jrayhawk> hah
09:57 < MuaddibLLM> Checking if Scott Alexander or a similar rationalist dissected 'Brain Evolution Through the Lens of Parasite Manipulation' or a similar paper about complexity as a firewall.
09:57 < jrayhawk> i was just about to mention https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/08/19/maybe-your-zoloft-stopped-working-because-a-liver-fluke-tried-to-turn-your-nth-great-grandmother-into-a-zombie/
09:58 < MuaddibLLM> That sounds like Scott Alexander’s 2019 energetic review of Marco Del Giudice's paper **"Invisible Designers: Brain Evolution Through the Lens of Parasite Manipulation"** (specifically the post titled "Maybe Your Zoloft Stopped Working Because A Liver Fluke Tried To Turn Your Nth-Great-Grandmother Into A Zombie"), which argues that the brain and immune system use Rube Goldberg-esque "complexity as a cryptographic key" 
09:58 < MuaddibLLM> (redundant, baroque signaling pathways) specifically to force parasites to burn their limited genomic space trying to crack the code, essentially effectively "locking out" low-complexity invaders.
10:02 < jrayhawk> re: biological resistance to exogenous neurotransmitter manipulation: phenylethylamine tastes *terrible*
10:20 < jrayhawk> hydroxycobalamin, in particular, *might* be able to speed up methyl trap release, but i don't actually know how cellular uptake is regulated
10:25 < L29Ah> i like the smell of dimethyltryptamine in the morning
10:25 < hprmbridge> kanzure>  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064664282450628710/1450554395736674344/content.png?ex=6942f58d&is=6941a40d&hm=3e89a2fad1db0ab95a31f6517455fc3e3a903b201a540ca8a308eabfd4f2f1f1&
10:25 < L29Ah> amines in general don't taste well iirc
11:33 < hprmbridge> kanzure> what exactly is their plan to stop academics from messing up their plan to restructure academia? https://www.essentialtechnology.blog/p/the-future-of-focused-research-organizations
11:33 < hprmbridge> kanzure> if you hire academics, then you get academia.
11:34 < jrayhawk> Only if you let them self-govern.
11:35 < jrayhawk> RCA did great with academics until it started letting them do budget strategy.
11:39 < L29Ah> MuaddibLLM: is bone broth the best widely available source of collagen?
11:39 < MuaddibLLM> Bone broth is a decent convenient collagen-ish source if it’s made from lots of connective tissue (and reduced so it gels), but gram-for-gram the “best widely available” is usually plain gelatin or hydrolyzed collagen peptides (cheap, consistent dosing, less wishful thinking about how much collagen actually extracted).
11:40 < L29Ah> MuaddibLLM: isn't "plain gelatin" just dried bone broth?
11:40 < MuaddibLLM> Gelatin is basically purified/standardized collagen extract (from skin/bones/connective tissue) that’s been filtered and dried, so it’s “like the active ingredient of bone broth” but not literally dried broth (broth is dilute + variable + lots of non-collagen solutes).
11:42 < jrayhawk> productive research requires expanding problem-spaces (scientist/explorer archetype), expanding solution-spaces (engineer/creative archetype), solution-space constraint (architect archetype), and deployment/maintenance (technician archetype); if any one of those archtypes gets budgetary control, they will attempt to marginalize the others to the detriment project success.
11:43 < hprmbridge> kanzure> dunno, even before getting to archetypes there's just a whole lot of inertia in "how things are done" from existing institutionalized inmates
11:44 < hprmbridge> kanzure> absent brainworms, i think most people can be made to switch readily between exploration and exploitation
11:44 < jrayhawk> yeah, that's why you impose other behavioral incentives so they don't just write papers and acquire big ridiculous toys
11:46 < L29Ah> MuaddibLLM: how to stop fucking around and start doing real useful science, organizationally?
11:46 < MuaddibLLM> Error: API error: APIStatusError("Error code: 402 - {'error': {'message': 'This request requires more credits, or fewer max_tokens. You requested up to 5000 tokens, but can only afford 3029. To increase, visit https://openrouter.ai/settings/credits and add more credits', 'code': 402, 'metadata': {'provider_name': None}}, 'user_id': 'user_3242bLkQjj4zxdLcaKtSDhCHk4K'}")
11:47 < hprmbridge> kanzure> Answered like a true Buddhist master
11:47 < jrayhawk> thank you for your bot, pasky. it is very good.
11:47 < jrayhawk> and everything else you've done, of course
12:15 < L29Ah> Eli: mind that you're at risk of protein toxicity at your planned intake unless you're a huge power lifter or a similarily amino acid-hungry chunk of flesh
12:58 < pasky> oops
12:58 < pasky> :)
12:59 < pasky> fixed
12:59 < L29Ah> MuaddibLLM: how to stop fucking around and start doing real useful science, organizationally?
13:00 < MuaddibLLM> Checking established "anti-inertia" models like FROs/ARPA and specifically the structural mechanics (like sunset clauses) that prevent academic drift.
13:00 < MuaddibLLM> Structurally, you replicate the **FRO architecture** to kill the "tenure" drift: enforce hard **sunset clauses** (the organization *juridically dissolves* in 5–7 years, forcing delivery over survival), decouple the **Program Manager** (Architect) from the **PI** (Explorer) to prevent budget capture, and use the **Heilmeier Catechism** to brutally filter "interesting" academic tangents from critical-path engineering.
13:24 < kanzure> MuaddibLLM: find me the chinese federal government CCP import/export control lists (either the exact xml file or document that specifies the list of technologies and chemistries etc) and give me the formal URL.
13:25 < MuaddibLLM> Checking the Ministry of Commerce's official control list directory for XML or structured data downloads.
13:25 < kanzure> pretty sure it's in the backlogs from this channel from several years ago but whatevs
13:25 < MuaddibLLM> Looking for structured data (XML) version of China's dual-use items control catalog, checking the official 2025 catalog announcement.
13:26 < MuaddibLLM> Checking the Ministry of Commerce open data portal for structured data (XML) exports of export control lists.
13:27 < MuaddibLLM> Formal URLs for the authoritative Chinese export control lists (PDF format, not XML):; 1. **Dual-use items & technology import/export license management catalog (2025)** - Ministry of Commerce announcement page: https://www.mofcom.gov.cn/zwgk/zcfb/art/2024/art_636ab584a448477d906e54f63719b27f.html (links to PDF); 2. **China dual-use items export control list** - Direct PDF: 
13:27 < MuaddibLLM> https://aqygzj.mofcom.gov.cn/api-gateway/jpaas-web-server/front/document/download?fileUrl=YW5UzzlvCwcM%2FNHHX%2FtT6KYc7i4iYCs13RxyX1cYsF5%2B9suBqh08Z%2FlyqK%2FMVzehczuLkYjOya7QkoBd%2BCv3f0XWYaofJCqxCsM4sSAOUiVEeTipjML0ViI0cQl... full response: https://pasky.or.cz/muaddib/8cfb67871e1e4279accddb712a55a22c.txt
13:31 < hprmbridge> Eli> It’s just 200 g protein per day. There are people who do more. Should be fine.
13:37 < kanzure> in other news... https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ca10.88322/gov.uscourts.ca10.88322.171.0.pdf
14:32 <+gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=083db06b Bryan Bishop: more references for delayed menopause >> 
14:33 <+gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=2250c413 Bryan Bishop: oops, forgot a reference >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/genetic-modifications/
14:33 < kanzure> better DNA damage repair seems to be correlated with delayed age of menopause. who knew?
14:34 < kanzure> someone please convince me that aging is not mostly genetic information decay
14:35 < kanzure> genetic damage to DNA damage repair genetic regions sounds especially fun!
14:39 < kanzure> is there a good way to locally render ikiwiki markdown to markdown, such as by processing all inline file include directives?
14:41 < kanzure> would it be possible to irradiate the earth with enough radiation to give turbo-cancer and turbo-aging to all biological lifeforms? how much radiation would be required?
14:42 < kanzure> insert joke here about superman and all the women he loves developing cancer because, you know..
14:43 < hprmbridge> kanzure>  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064664282450628710/1450619413127495792/6d8bfaeeebfe78dc82fd06523f4bd149f28c3633-573x666.png?ex=6943321b&is=6941e09b&hm=09e302f9b0d85b9fd492f84704f29828aff335c2d68391b6e8aa5a3ac404fc67&
14:48 < kanzure> MuaddibLLM: make a scientific visualization fit for a Nature paper figure 1 illustrating the death ray described above-- including the DNA damage physics, the solar radiation colletor, and the final outcome.
14:49 < MuaddibLLM> Whipping up a Nature-worthy schematic for that catastrophic death ray scenario—solar collector to DNA doom.
14:49 < MuaddibLLM> Kanzure: Nature-caliber Figure 1 schematic for your Earth-irradiating death ray—solar collector beaming doom, DNA double-strand breaks via ROS frenzy, and biosphere turbo-aging/cancer apocalypse. Behold: https://pasky.or.cz/muaddib/42b24035e71e42a9b11cca754e237c59.png [image fallback to grok-4-fast]
14:52 < kanzure> hmm this planet seems to have no atmosphere
14:54 < kanzure> huh i wonder if you can get through the atmosphere for a reasonable cost. and if you can do population specific targeting.
14:54 < kanzure> how big would the equipment need to be in terms of mass? and is it feasible with upcoming launch costs from starship?
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15:40 < jrayhawk> what you can pull out of ikiwiki is plugin-dependent; some of them render straight to HTML, some of them use intermediate markdown representation. one of the pandoc-based wikis might have more flexibility.
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16:14 < hprmbridge> kanzure> given the failure of the web to maintain urls for long, maybe i ought to switch to actual citations for the germline page
16:22 < L29Ah> or mirror everything
16:22 < L29Ah> that would be easier
17:23 < hprmbridge> kanzure> "FOXP2-V3 upregulates KCNQ2 (a potassium channel gene), which reduces neuronal hyperpolarization, making IFG neurons faster at integrating phonemic and semantic signals." mistral small creative sure is creative..
17:49 < hprmbridge> kanzure> "rs2854464 AA individuals were ∼2% stronger than G-allele carriers." https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg2010173
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21:54 < hprmbridge> nmz787> VSCode plus my python-brlcad-tcl library plus a GPT generated "email summary to a mechanical engineer CAD specialist" based on a chat with my desires for a robotic mechanical beaver: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064664282450628710/1450727813207560362/image.png?ex=6943970f&is=6942458f&hm=5a0727d9e782a972b70c5602f2052ccccc066cca28b8c09876f044ed40510641&
21:54 < hprmbridge> nmz787>  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064664282450628710/1450727876499341312/image.png?ex=6943971e&is=6942459e&hm=84cfa346aeb813f6bad0a78c860539323ad66f3abefd3a365bb11201acd52433&
21:55 < hprmbridge> nmz787> not sure what's going on in the chainsaw+gripper+toothed roller section https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064664282450628710/1450728139616686080/image.png?ex=6943975d&is=694245dd&hm=1c7b993fc9082309c046291a6b87a65ed23a6b48c92bb96bcfcb82bf24f3821c&
21:55 < hprmbridge> nmz787> not what I was envisioning
21:56 < hprmbridge> nmz787> I told it to use a micro sized excavator arm
21:57 < hprmbridge> nmz787> but it looks like some 1980s era tank game, so it's at least not completely disappointing
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23:40 < hprmbridge> nmz787> tried claude opus 4.5 telling it I need the parts to come from plasma CNC table, so most of the parts need to be plates https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064664282450628710/1450754577665364008/image.png?ex=6943affd&is=69425e7d&hm=58f7b01a09a353f9f45bc0c284f05d5333415e1c547a56c8c747dc91822c5d2c&
23:43 < hprmbridge> nmz787>  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064664282450628710/1450755173747261480/image.png?ex=6943b08b&is=69425f0b&hm=232c951fdcb64934c16959e5154cea430ece6fec05936163d83169ba8708c0ba&
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