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| fenn | hmm augmented locomotion? http://gadgets.boingboing.net/gimages/ishoesprod.jpg | 00:00 |
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| fenn | A man has been arrested in New York for attempting to extort funds from ignorant and superstitious people by exhibiting a device which he says will convey the human voice any distance over metallic wires so that it will be heard by the listener at the other end. He calls this instrument a telephone. Well-informed people know that it is impossible to transmit the human voice over wires. | 00:02 |
| kanzure | Date? | 00:03 |
| kanzure | okay, how about this | 00:08 |
| kanzure | automatic mirroring of each page you go to | 00:08 |
| kanzure | konqueror only loading on the local filesystem, then | 00:08 |
| kanzure | delete whatever you want to get rid of and consider useless | 00:09 |
| kanzure | it'll otherwise keep a largescale copy of the web and the links between them, more or less | 00:09 |
| kanzure | like my ~/cache/ | 00:09 |
| kanzure | then, just modify konqueror to work in this system more readily ... like links causing it to fetch the page and adding it to the filesystem, and then letting you abstract this information into lists of links that you are interested in, etc. | 00:09 |
| kanzure | and easy ability to move / natural-link files together | 00:10 |
| kanzure | erm | 00:10 |
| kanzure | ln | 00:10 |
| fenn | 1868 new york times | 00:10 |
| fenn | you could do a squid proxy | 00:12 |
| kanzure | http://www.deckle.co.za/squid-users-guide/Squid_Configuration_Basics | 00:14 |
| kanzure | guess so | 00:14 |
| kanzure | then I can use listview in konq and tab issues are solved :) | 00:14 |
| kanzure | and maybe a custom "copy link" script for the right-click menus so that it copies the internal information | 00:15 |
| kanzure | okay, makes sense | 00:15 |
| * kanzure wishes he could find his old Opera-ADR-to-XBEL-to-flatfile scripts :( | 00:15 | |
| fenn | whats wrong with xbel? | 00:15 |
| kanzure | it's flatfile, and nobody wants to support it anymore | 00:18 |
| kanzure | well, it's not flatfile | 00:18 |
| kanzure | it's single-flatfile | 00:18 |
| kanzure | mostly the lack of support :) | 00:18 |
| fenn | what would you use instead of a single fil? | 00:18 |
| kanzure | individual files, folders, etc. | 00:18 |
| fenn | ok i assumed it was some sort of de-facto standard | 00:18 |
| kanzure | it would be nice if that was so | 00:18 |
| * fenn is wondering whether keeping your tree in git would be good or bad | 00:19 | |
| fenn | mostly inconsequential | 00:19 |
| kanzure | synch with other users | 00:20 |
| kanzure | pathsynch | 00:20 |
| kanzure | but the tree is the path, really | 00:20 |
| kanzure | so that only confuses things :P | 00:20 |
| fenn | git grep might be faster than regular grep | 00:20 |
| fenn | and so on, for other functions | 00:21 |
| kanzure | why might that be? | 00:21 |
| kanzure | (like for grep) | 00:21 |
| fenn | because git is generally fast at stuff? it seems like they pack the data in a more sensible format than a filesystem can | 00:22 |
| kanzure | weird | 00:22 |
| fenn | i might be out of my depth here | 00:22 |
| kanzure | aren't they implemented on a filesystem? | 00:22 |
| kanzure | on the same one, I mean. | 00:22 |
| fenn | no, git is a database, with a 'presentation layer' i.e. directory of files to show what it contains | 00:23 |
| fenn | whats the diff between filesystem and db? who knows | 00:23 |
| kanzure | oh, right, that's how you git push/commit. | 00:23 |
| kanzure | the difference is | 00:23 |
| kanzure | well | 00:23 |
| kanzure | you suck, sir | 00:23 |
| * kanzure goes to flame a MySQL developer | 00:23 | |
| fenn | i've seen git explained as a filesystem itself | 00:23 |
| kanzure | but it requires no kernel module | 00:24 |
| fenn | ya, why would you want a kernel module for anything, really | 00:24 |
| kanzure | maybe it's just a lightweight 'reserved space' | 00:24 |
| kanzure | like a swapfile | 00:24 |
| kanzure | except not for RAM. | 00:24 |
| fenn | another thing to keep in mind is reiserfs, supposedly good for lots of tiny files (but i've had it corrupt on me, something i've never seen in ext2 or ext3) | 00:25 |
| fenn | s/good/fast/ | 00:26 |
| kanzure | bbl, catching my Bleach and Death Note fixes | 00:26 |
| fenn | oh, the diff between filesystem and db is that filesystem only has one way to sort/categorize information | 00:27 |
| fenn | fortunately for us, filenames arent some base-32 hash string | 00:28 |
| fenn | this is soo sweet.. about time: http://johan.kiviniemi.name/blag/2005/12/31/wannabe-hacker-emblem/ | 00:31 |
| fenn | i think for the revolutionary burning-a-path-through-the-desert interface you'd want to be able to "scroll" backwards both chronologically and down the chain of direct link hops | 01:14 |
| fenn | lots of links are not direct but rather 'see this, google that' sort of links | 01:14 |
| fenn | sometimes its hard to remember how you got on a subject | 01:15 |
| kanzure | keeping lists of links isn't necessarily going to help | 01:28 |
| * kanzure should know. | 01:28 | |
| fenn | well if you see that page <x> has been accessed, and then a search for <y> is opened in a new window, there's a good chance the reason you searched for y is on x | 01:30 |
| kanzure | the reason is within | 01:32 |
| fenn | yes | 01:32 |
| kanzure | no, I mean, the uer | 01:32 |
| kanzure | *user | 01:32 |
| fenn | i sense the reason is strong in this one | 01:32 |
| kanzure | midicholrieorjoines, right? | 01:32 |
| * fenn squints | 01:33 | |
| fenn | heh open dc and type: | 01:37 |
| fenn | [lolssdsl0lqx]sx[1+lddd*lld*-ls+dsdrll2**lo+dsld*rd*+4<kd15>q]sq[q | 01:37 |
| fenn | ]9ksk[d77/3*2-ss47lxx-P1+d78>0]s00[d23/.5-3*so0l0xr10P1+d24>u]dsux | 01:37 |
| kanzure | dc? | 01:39 |
| fenn | the command line rpn calculator program | 01:40 |
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| wrldpc | I'm a frigging n00b. | 01:57 |
| fenn | get a c100 | 01:59 |
| wrldpc | sansa? | 01:59 |
| wrldpc | does it run linux? | 01:59 |
| fenn | uh, no, a c100-by-four | 01:59 |
| fenn | rhymes with n00b | 02:00 |
| kanzure | fenn: | 02:00 |
| kanzure | I'm feeding wrldpc | 02:00 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/fernhout/ | 02:00 |
| wrldpc | heh | 02:00 |
| kanzure | these are some Fernhout-Kurzweil exchanges. | 02:00 |
| fenn | O rly | 02:01 |
| kanzure | mildly interesting, nothing you don't already get | 02:01 |
| wrldpc | http://www.sandisk.com/products/catalog(1165)-sandisk_sansa_c100_series_mp3_players.aspx | 02:01 |
| wrldpc | explain to me the c100 reference | 02:01 |
| wrldpc | I am Benjamin Fritz Peterson, 49 Thomas St. Belmont MA 02478 | 02:01 |
| wrldpc | ssn: 018702725 | 02:01 |
| wrldpc | phone: 6173356457 | 02:02 |
| fenn | wrldpc: l33t-speak is based on typing things using only numbers such as you'd find on a handheld calculator | 02:02 |
| wrldpc | clue | 02:02 |
| wrldpc | i get it | 02:02 |
| wrldpc | heh | 02:02 |
| wrldpc | and it's 1337 | 02:02 |
| wrldpc | ;) | 02:02 |
| fenn | meh | 02:02 |
| wrldpc | hehe | 02:03 |
| Vedestin | have a look at this | 02:03 |
| Vedestin | http://www.pendulum.org/related/related_add_cows.html | 02:03 |
| wrldpc | lol alright so wtf can i do? | 02:03 |
| wrldpc | LO!L!! | 02:03 |
| Vedestin | i get a reasonably high score on this | 02:03 |
| wrldpc | yes | 02:03 |
| wrldpc | i understand | 02:03 |
| wrldpc | oh diff | 02:03 |
| wrldpc | add is just a way of apprehending the world. | 02:03 |
| wrldpc | scanners. | 02:03 |
| fenn | kanzure: what are you feeding him? | 02:03 |
| wrldpc | http://heybryan.org/fernhout/ | 02:03 |
| wrldpc | the fernhout files | 02:04 |
| fenn | best viewed from a "film noir" perspective | 02:04 |
| wrldpc | understood | 02:05 |
| fenn | "it was a stormy night when i pulled up to santa monica boulevard, expecting to see the so-called singularity kingpin, raymond kurzweil.." | 02:05 |
| wrldpc | you should meet bcarruth | 02:05 |
| wrldpc | does anyone play Go in here? | 02:05 |
| wrldpc | heh | 02:05 |
| fenn | bcarruth sounds familiar | 02:06 |
| kanzure | okay, added some links | 02:06 |
| kanzure | I mean, two more emails | 02:06 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/fernhout/ | 02:06 |
| wrldpc | I saw him at Broad Inst and caught the vid at the end of this post: http://www.theflowingofthedao.com/wordpress/2008/05/15/kurzweil-the-broad-institute-mit/ | 02:06 |
| fenn | might just be my brain overreacting as usual | 02:07 |
| fenn | wow he looks old | 02:07 |
| wrldpc | i disagreed with age of spiritual machines ... i mean ... the uncanny valley has since then been crossed .. he may as well have been writing science fiction. | 02:08 |
| fenn | why you say it's been crossed? example please | 02:09 |
| wrldpc | the health of all humans are inevitably intertwined. | 02:09 |
| wrldpc | it is unlawful for there to be even one 'dead' human. | 02:09 |
| fenn | do you even know what 'uncanny valley' means? | 02:09 |
| wrldpc | bioinformatically many are still alive ... | 02:10 |
| wrldpc | the uncanny valley is the point where the 4th wall drops. | 02:10 |
| kanzure | I read the Age of Spiritual Machines when I was ~13, and had to put it down because my bullshit detector was trying to kill me | 02:10 |
| wrldpc | or the area in the midst there | 02:10 |
| fenn | what is the 4th wall? | 02:10 |
| wrldpc | heh | 02:10 |
| wrldpc | the 4th wall is the shield which separates the audience from the spectacle | 02:10 |
| wrldpc | the observer from the observed. | 02:11 |
| wrldpc | it is imaginary | 02:11 |
| wrldpc | in that in doesn't quite exist in the way that we think it does? | 02:11 |
| wrldpc | http://www.youtube.com/thecarruths | 02:11 |
| fenn | the uncanny valley is (actually) the unnerving sensation you get when a robot appears almost but not quite human, usually because of jerky movements and highly realistic sculptured flesh | 02:11 |
| wrldpc | yes | 02:11 |
| wrldpc | being able to delineate man from machine. | 02:11 |
| fenn | no, aibo is obviously a machine but it doesn't trigger that response | 02:11 |
| wrldpc | the notion that if an AI existed with greater than human intelligence it could do so now without us ever knowing. | 02:12 |
| wrldpc | Propogate itself across the universe at the speed of light. | 02:12 |
| wrldpc | through teh universe. | 02:12 |
| wrldpc | aibo haha | 02:12 |
| wrldpc | understood | 02:12 |
| wrldpc | did you see asimo fall? | 02:12 |
| wrldpc | that shit was hilarious. | 02:12 |
| fenn | aibo is a good piece of engineering, and qrio even better, what a fucking shame they killed it | 02:12 |
| wrldpc | qrio rocks | 02:12 |
| kanzure | yes, ai could replicate itself, sure, but only if you have skdb | 02:12 |
| wrldpc | that fuckin sucks they killed it | 02:12 |
| wrldpc | wtf | 02:12 |
| wrldpc | mass produce that shit | 02:12 |
| wrldpc | what is skdb? | 02:13 |
| wrldpc | only if they have heybryan.org arched | 02:13 |
| wrldpc | heh | 02:13 |
| wrldpc | i dunno man what do you guys think about cognition? | 02:14 |
| wrldpc | the mind like then right now what it is? | 02:14 |
| fenn | it's a lie | 02:14 |
| wrldpc | yeh | 02:14 |
| wrldpc | eh | 02:14 |
| wrldpc | meh | 02:14 |
| wrldpc | heh | 02:14 |
| wrldpc | yes | 02:14 |
| wrldpc | no | 02:14 |
| wrldpc | ok | 02:14 |
| wrldpc | good | 02:14 |
| wrldpc | stop | 02:14 |
| wrldpc | ehh | 02:14 |
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| kanzure | Much energy in you, I do sense. | 02:14 |
| fenn | the adult ADD is strong in this one | 02:15 |
| kramer3d | XD | 02:15 |
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| wrldpc | http://www.rhythmverse.com/ | 02:30 |
| wrldpc | did bryan's connection drop for you guys?? | 02:30 |
| fenn | he quit, probably sleeping | 02:30 |
| wrldpc | he's all of a sudden not online for me. 2:30 AM EST | 02:30 |
| wrldpc | oh | 02:31 |
| wrldpc | he dc's after bed? | 02:31 |
| wrldpc | interesting | 02:31 |
| wrldpc | Bryan should do a vlog. | 02:31 |
| wrldpc | that shit would be huge | 02:31 |
| fenn | what's a vlog? | 02:31 |
| wrldpc | video log | 02:31 |
| wrldpc | youtube.com | 02:31 |
| wrldpc | revver.com | 02:32 |
| fenn | sounds boring | 02:32 |
| wrldpc | boring?! | 02:32 |
| fenn | nice drawing, are you rhythmverse.com? | 02:32 |
| wrldpc | do you know how rich the video medium is? | 02:32 |
| wrldpc | This is video right here. | 02:32 |
| wrldpc | No I'm not rhythmverse my friend Brian is. | 02:32 |
| wrldpc | he programs in flash | 02:32 |
| fenn | oh, i guess i should fire up firepig to see it then | 02:32 |
| wrldpc | we want to build this synaesthetic device that delivers unto the people the ruler by which they can measure the universe. | 02:33 |
| wrldpc | it's the ultrasubjective | 02:33 |
| wrldpc | mechanism or device or service or whateve.r | 02:33 |
| fenn | hm. no flash, just a drawing | 02:33 |
| wrldpc | i dunno | 02:33 |
| wrldpc | no flash on there | 02:33 |
| wrldpc | it's just a site right now, blank. | 02:34 |
| wrldpc | I don't have much data ... I'll try and holler at my friend. | 02:34 |
| wrldpc | eh | 02:35 |
| wrldpc | who's shogunx? | 02:36 |
| fenn | reminds me of: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Annie_Besant_Thought_Forms_Mendelssohn_-_Project_Gutenberg_etext_16269.jpg | 02:36 |
| wrldpc | I'm in a group called the Shogun Assassins. | 02:36 |
| wrldpc | http://www.myspace.com/theshogunassassins | 02:36 |
| fenn | shogunx: is gnuveau.org:81 also see sleekfreak.net:81/books/ | 02:36 |
| fenn | <- allergic to myspace | 02:37 |
| wrldpc | http://www.bathsheba.com/crystal/ | 02:37 |
| fenn | heh i got the galaxy as a present and was like 'wtf do i do with this' so i gave it to someone else as a present | 02:37 |
| wrldpc | i don't get it | 02:37 |
| wrldpc | I bought the calabi-yau for self but gifted it to mom. | 02:38 |
| wrldpc | i want the star map | 02:38 |
| fenn | i like the julia set | 02:38 |
| fenn | better in color though | 02:38 |
| wrldpc | heh | 02:38 |
| wrldpc | maybe just the keychain | 02:38 |
| wrldpc | you guys should start bringing flashlights with you when you drive. | 02:38 |
| wrldpc | julia set?. | 02:38 |
| wrldpc | just looks like splooge | 02:39 |
| wrldpc | ha | 02:39 |
| wrldpc | perfect symmetry | 02:39 |
| fenn | it's the mandelbrot set extended in another couple dimensions | 02:40 |
| wrldpc | http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/fractals/quatjulia/ | 02:40 |
| wrldpc | interesting | 02:40 |
| fenn | better explanation: http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/fractals/juliaset/ | 02:43 |
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| kanzure | okay, so what I need to do is have the interface layer of konqueror go to a 'proxy' (just a script) first for filtering/pre-processing; also, any website browsed to should have the HTTP request stored and logged. Then, the backend script will manage my queues and so on. | 11:42 |
| kanzure | squidproxy looks good. | 11:42 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/CHIRP_Open_Design_Mfg_Equipment.pdf | 11:48 |
| wrldpc | Good morning, immortals. | 11:54 |
| wrldpc | that's awesome | 11:54 |
| kanzure | Good morning. | 11:55 |
| wrldpc | This reminds me ... is there an opsource CAD prog? | 11:55 |
| * nsh would suspect so | 11:57 | |
| wrldpc | http://nanoengineer-1.com/nh1/ | 11:57 |
| nsh | BRL-CAD, avoCADo | 11:57 |
| nsh | , CADEMIA | 11:57 |
| nsh | http://swik.net/CAD+opensource mentions a few more | 11:59 |
| nsh | your (program's) maturity may vary | 11:59 |
| kanzure | fenn says they all suck :) | 11:59 |
| * nsh wouldn't be surprised | 12:00 | |
| wrldpc | heh | 12:00 |
| kanzure | wrldpc: As for the nanoengineer link, see http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Computational_chem_linkdump | 12:00 |
| kanzure | or maybe that's http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Comp_chem_linkdump (try either) | 12:00 |
| wrldpc | Did you see the gershenfeld ted talk? | 12:00 |
| kanzure | No, I'll put it on my todo list. | 12:00 |
| * nsh didn't; what's it about? | 12:00 | |
| kanzure | Gershenfeld is a good guy :) I have a few friends that meet with him weekly. Daily, even. | 12:00 |
| kanzure | Gershenfeld is http://cba.mit.edu/ | 12:00 |
| wrldpc | are you all on Linux? | 12:01 |
| kanzure | Center for Bits and Atoms "it from bit; bit from it" | 12:01 |
| kanzure | I'm on linux, yes. | 12:01 |
| wrldpc | cool | 12:01 |
| wrldpc | what distro? | 12:01 |
| kanzure | http://debian.org/ | 12:01 |
| wrldpc | nd, no doubt | 12:01 |
| wrldpc | sugarshot is interesting | 12:01 |
| kanzure | yeah, I've bee ntrying tro contact Richard Nekkia about it for a while | 12:02 |
| kanzure | but I think he might be dead | 12:02 |
| kanzure | maybe one of his experimental rockets blew up | 12:02 |
| wrldpc | we're going to need a massive interstellar object id and tracking system | 12:02 |
| wrldpc | oh yeah? eh ... what about subsistence farming? | 12:02 |
| kanzure | http://nakka-rocketry.net/ | 12:02 |
| wrldpc | Phoenix lands today! | 12:02 |
| kanzure | http://sugarshot.org/ | 12:03 |
| nsh | http://www.digitalpicturezone.com/digital-pictures/25-amazing-light-graffiti-pictures/ | 12:03 |
| kanzure | re: interstellar object id system, NASA has one. | 12:03 |
| nsh | it would be nice to have gps-linked overlays of visual-space so that people can browse virtual graffiti in meatspace | 12:04 |
| nsh | did anyone read Rainbows End? | 12:04 |
| wrldpc | does it track every object? If somebody's flying at subluminal speeds through the galaxy what are the chances that an object will damage their spacecraft? Is it a moot point? | 12:04 |
| wrldpc | what's the name of that system? space tracking ... NEOs and so forth ... what about into the gristle of space? | 12:05 |
| wrldpc | Haven't read much Vinge. | 12:05 |
| nsh | from what i recall, small space junk can really fuck you up in orbit, due to the relative velocities | 12:05 |
| wrldpc | yeah but what if your spacecraft is traveling faster than the junk? | 12:05 |
| wrldpc | I dunno | 12:06 |
| wrldpc | need some kind of advanced nanotube plating | 12:06 |
| nsh | gravitational repulsion technology would be the ultimate win for collision problems | 12:06 |
| nsh | but who knows when that's gonna happen | 12:06 |
| wrldpc | diamond shielded ... yeah grav repulse would be dope | 12:06 |
| wrldpc | artificial grav | 12:07 |
| wrldpc | the outside of a spacecraft hurtling through space has got to be freezing cold .. | 12:07 |
| kanzure | nsh: That's a good find. re: the link. Thanks. | 12:07 |
| kanzure | I'll have to show that to my sister or something, might get her interested in photons. | 12:07 |
| kanzure | nsh: I almost read Rainbows End, if that counts. | 12:08 |
| * nsh smiles | 12:08 | |
| nsh | hmm | 12:08 |
| nsh | it'd be good to saturate subliminal information channels | 12:08 |
| wrldpc | yes | 12:09 |
| nsh | have every wall in your house projected with information and ambient chatter wherever you go | 12:09 |
| kanzure | perhaps, what about interface? | 12:09 |
| wrldpc | the thing is it's already data-rich ... there's just no standard nomenclature | 12:09 |
| kanzure | I think it could also be better to just project it onto your eye | 12:09 |
| nsh | possibly | 12:09 |
| wrldpc | computer glasses | 12:09 |
| kanzure | some researchers have lasers that will write screens of information to you eyes | 12:09 |
| kanzure | nah, computer glasses suck | 12:09 |
| kanzure | just go with lasers | 12:09 |
| nsh | if it would coordinate with what's outside that'd make it much more effective | 12:10 |
| nsh | as the brain learns associatively through pattern recognition | 12:10 |
| wrldpc | you're going to need to put something over your eye | 12:10 |
| kanzure | wrldpc: not in that case | 12:10 |
| nsh | there's probably a lot you could overload onto basic cognitive tasks | 12:10 |
| kanzure | though nsh has a good point, it'd be nice to project | 12:10 |
| nsh | hmmm | 12:10 |
| wrldpc | if you want it to be transportable | 12:10 |
| kanzure | nsh: do you remember the recent, uh, cell phones + projectors? | 12:10 |
| kanzure | we could just do a wearable + projector | 12:10 |
| nsh | sensorimotor overloading. will have to think about that some more | 12:10 |
| kanzure | there's also the projectable keyboards these days | 12:10 |
| wrldpc | augmented reality | 12:10 |
| nsh | kanzure, right | 12:10 |
| * kanzure goes back to 'hearpdf' to listen to some scientific papers | 12:11 | |
| nsh | wrldpc, that was why i referred to vinge's book | 12:11 |
| nsh | kanzure, you logging what you're listening to through that? | 12:11 |
| kanzure | nsh: Did you see our chats yesterday about alternative browsers? | 12:11 |
| nsh | missed, sorry. probably in logs | 12:11 |
| kanzure | nsh: Hm? Logging what? | 12:11 |
| wrldpc | a tech transfer between ALPS Electric Co. and the University of Cambridge was going to start bringing to market holographic projection. | 12:11 |
| wrldpc | CAPE | 12:11 |
| kanzure | nsh: I don't log the sound because I have the plaintext. | 12:11 |
| nsh | kanzure, log of what pdfs you're throwing through the program | 12:11 |
| kanzure | although exporting to an ipod/mp3-player might be smart | 12:12 |
| kanzure | nsh: Shit. | 12:12 |
| * kanzure goes to write a few lines. | 12:12 | |
| nsh | so there's a trail for interested people to follow | 12:12 |
| nsh | ++ :-) | 12:12 |
| nsh | if you could include information for how long you listen to each (to tag the ones that don't hold attention) that'd also be cool | 12:12 |
| wrldpc | http://www-cape.eng.cam.ac.uk/ | 12:13 |
| nsh | cool, wrldpc | 12:13 |
| kanzure | nsh: it's not like that; the text is dumped into the speech synthesizer and then it's left in its own proc | 12:13 |
| kanzure | I'm not sure if I can figure out how to retrieve the word-index of where it's at when it's closed. | 12:13 |
| wrldpc | this mentions nothing about the holo projection | 12:13 |
| kanzure | especially since I usually close it through killall -9 (since it's a totally separate proc) | 12:13 |
| * nsh nods | 12:14 | |
| wrldpc | how's the voice on that, b? | 12:14 |
| kanzure | sucks | 12:14 |
| wrldpc | eh | 12:14 |
| kanzure | I'm using 'festival' | 12:14 |
| kanzure | apt-get install festival etc. | 12:14 |
| nsh | kanzure, you could just split the pipe (tee(1)) and cat to a new file for each pdf | 12:14 |
| nsh | in a pdfs-listened-to type folder | 12:15 |
| nsh | s/folder/directory | 12:15 |
| kanzure | huh? | 12:15 |
| kanzure | how does that preserve 'where it is at' in the speech synth process? | 12:15 |
| nsh | because when you kill the process it'll stop adding text | 12:15 |
| wrldpc | http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2006_April_10/ai_n16120353 | 12:16 |
| nsh | unless you're referring to the lag between input-text and synth'd audio | 12:16 |
| kanzure | nsh: right now I'm doing something like echo 'hello blah blah blah all text here' | festival | 12:16 |
| kanzure | I guess I could separate it into chunks | 12:16 |
| kanzure | and feed it to festival in that way | 12:17 |
| kanzure | and then I'll know at which chunk it was roughly stopped | 12:17 |
| nsh | shouldn't matter, if you do: echo 'pdftext' | tee outfile | festival it should do it by stream | 12:17 |
| nsh | then again, i'm not so sure. worth a check | 12:18 |
| nsh | depends how festival reads the input | 12:18 |
| nsh | which you can probably set in command line to be line or word or something | 12:18 |
| wrldpc | this reminds me of the lightwriting: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Annie_Besant_Thought_Forms_Mendelssohn_-_Project_Gutenberg_etext_16269.jpg | 12:19 |
| wrldpc | someone posted it yesterday | 12:19 |
| nsh | mmm, that fires the imagination, wrldpc | 12:19 |
| kanzure | Hm. | 12:20 |
| kanzure | I'm getting an error - can't open /dev/dsp | 12:20 |
| nsh | in my experience, that's usually because another program has a lock on the sound device | 12:20 |
| kanzure | well, I killed xmms | 12:20 |
| kanzure | how do I check modprobe or the list again? | 12:20 |
| nsh | it's usually firefox | 12:21 |
| kanzure | not running firefox | 12:21 |
| nsh | sorry, opera | 12:21 |
| nsh | there's a program you can open festival with that puts the sound to a software mixer | 12:21 |
| kanzure | yes, it was opera | 12:21 |
| nsh | but i forget its name | 12:21 |
| shogunx | lsmod | 12:21 |
| nsh | try: esddsp festival <....> | 12:22 |
| kanzure | of course, I don't actually pay attention to voice much, so this is weird | 12:23 |
| nsh | apparantly installing asla-oss and oss-compat fixes the sound multiplexing issue | 12:23 |
| * nsh nods | 12:23 | |
| kanzure | lemme upload the script | 12:23 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/docs/hearpdf.pl | 12:24 |
| * nsh can't believe notepad still can't recognise unix newlines | 12:25 | |
| nsh | i need to get a new external and back up my data so i can upgrade myself to a real os | 12:25 |
| fenn | gragrggg how the fuck do i sign up for google groups using my email address | 12:26 |
| * nsh not sure, fenn | 12:27 | |
| kanzure | it seemed pretty simple to me | 12:27 |
| kanzure | although I had a gmail address | 12:27 |
| kanzure | haha, reading chem pdfs via hearpdf is not a good idea | 12:28 |
| kanzure | ' Finally, the nearly completed trityl group was treated with acetyl chloride | 12:28 |
| kanzure | resulting in a polystyrene methoxytritylchloride species that could be easily attached to | 12:28 |
| kanzure | the 5’ carbon of the pentose sugar (figure 2).; | 12:28 |
| nsh | lol | 12:28 |
| nsh | i wonder how easy it is to teach festival | 12:28 |
| fenn | avocado/cademia are new to me.. | 12:29 |
| kanzure | uh oh | 12:29 |
| nsh | ideally, you'd be able to give it a different key for different kinds of text and a way to guess what "language" (chemistry, programming, etc) it's reading | 12:29 |
| nsh | using maybe magicfiles or something | 12:30 |
| fenn | cademia is 2d? their site is impossible | 12:31 |
| fenn | avocado look like a good start | 12:31 |
| kanzure | it's weird trying to pay attention to voice | 12:32 |
| fenn | hmm its java, nevermind | 12:32 |
| * fenn sighs | 12:32 | |
| fenn | i dont get it - what do people see in java that is worth using? | 12:33 |
| wrldpc | universality | 12:33 |
| nsh | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_format#Magic_number | 12:33 |
| kanzure | universality? | 12:33 |
| nsh | and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_number_(programming) | 12:33 |
| fenn | it's not even platform independent though | 12:33 |
| wrldpc | heh | 12:33 |
| wrldpc | java runs on everything. | 12:34 |
| wrldpc | eh | 12:34 |
| fenn | so does qbasic | 12:34 |
| wrldpc | heh | 12:34 |
| kanzure | \o/ let's write our OS in qbasic | 12:34 |
| * nsh smiles | 12:34 | |
| nsh | java is the cancer that's killing CS education | 12:34 |
| wrldpc | SKEME | 12:34 |
| wrldpc | scheme | 12:34 |
| fenn | scheme is at least simple and consistent | 12:34 |
| kanzure | java certainly screwed up my comp sci class in high school | 12:34 |
| wrldpc | python, lisp | 12:35 |
| wrldpc | weren | 12:35 |
| kanzure | although I was just spending time writing out schematics for microprocs since I could get the assignments done in a few minutes anyway :) | 12:35 |
| fenn | anyway.. back to googlefutz | 12:35 |
| wrldpc | wasn't the sw for the space shuttle written in scheme? | 12:35 |
| kanzure | googlefutz? | 12:35 |
| wrldpc | eh | 12:35 |
| * fenn grumbles | 12:35 | |
| nsh | futzing around with google groups | 12:35 |
| nsh | i assume | 12:35 |
| fenn | no, it was APL or something | 12:35 |
| kanzure | ah | 12:35 |
| wrldpc | oh | 12:35 |
| nsh | futz is a nice word; i should use it more often | 12:35 |
| kanzure | uhm, so the interface to konqueror, I'm still working on that | 12:35 |
| kanzure | squidproxy solves most of the problems | 12:35 |
| kanzure | but the tabbing issue still hasn't been solved | 12:36 |
| nsh | what you trying to do, kanzure? | 12:36 |
| wrldpc | my middle name is fritz :) | 12:36 |
| nsh | nice | 12:36 |
| wrldpc | i'll bbiab, fellas. | 12:36 |
| nsh | moin | 12:36 |
| kanzure | nsh: I have this extreme dislike for all modern browsers basically; they all suck and fail. | 12:36 |
| kanzure | I get up to 400~ tabs and they start whinning. | 12:36 |
| kanzure | or I get up to 2.2+ MB of bookmarks and they start crashing/freezing. | 12:36 |
| * nsh nods | 12:36 | |
| kanzure | this is simply stupid software architecture | 12:36 |
| kanzure | it's too monolithic | 12:36 |
| nsh | so you want to interface a browser with a better data handling backend? | 12:37 |
| kanzure | yes, | 12:37 |
| nsh | cool | 12:37 |
| kanzure | I want to write some scripts to automate my use of a browser | 12:37 |
| kanzure | I'm guessing tis browser is going to be konqueror for me | 12:37 |
| kanzure | but I really, really like the sidebar for tabs in Opera | 12:37 |
| kanzure | which is superior to the KDE taskbar | 12:37 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/shots/2008-05-24.png for an example | 12:37 |
| nsh | it's a crying shame you can't breed programs yet | 12:37 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/shots/2008-05-24_2.png too | 12:37 |
| nsh | modularity just never happened | 12:37 |
| fenn | kanzure i think you just need a good window manager and file browser | 12:37 |
| kanzure | I don't like the fluxbox idea, I need text, not icons | 12:38 |
| fenn | ok, a text-based window manager, whatever | 12:38 |
| kanzure | well, I'm pretty sure I've gone through a sizable chunk of all existing window managers | 12:39 |
| kanzure | so. | 12:39 |
| kanzure | nsh: realtime stats of word usage would be interesting | 12:40 |
| kanzure | well, not 'realtime', but I mean 'per-each-spoken', and then recorded in realtime | 12:40 |
| nsh | definitely | 12:41 |
| nsh | full markov analysis too | 12:41 |
| kanzure | what would that mean in this context? | 12:41 |
| fenn | it means you could have a bryan-bot | 12:41 |
| fenn | !say indeed | 12:41 |
| kanzure | indeed | 12:41 |
| fenn | hrm | 12:41 |
| fenn | !chat about silly things | 12:42 |
| nsh | frequencies (from which you can make probabilities) of connection between arbitrary length blocks of text you've listened to/read | 12:42 |
| kanzure | so, the other day my mom was digging through my trash | 12:42 |
| kanzure | and then laughed at how small my dad's hole is | 12:42 |
| kanzure | the hole into the dryer | 12:42 |
| kanzure | they're divorced, I might add | 12:42 |
| kanzure | was weird :) and silly. | 12:42 |
| * nsh smiles | 12:42 | |
| fenn | um.. yeah. | 12:42 |
| kanzure | Doesn't look like it's going to work out. | 12:42 |
| * kanzure wonders if he can get multiple audio streams going here | 12:43 | |
| kanzure | I've done it with mpg123 before, but not speech synth | 12:44 |
| kanzure | #linux suggests fvwm | 12:45 |
| fenn | fvwm is crusty | 12:45 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/shots/Sept20th02005.png | 12:45 |
| kanzure | yes | 12:45 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/shots/May26th02005_2.png fluxbox, I think | 12:46 |
| kanzure | Sept20th2005.png was fvwm95 | 12:46 |
| fenn | fvwm scrolling around is like 'flying' in a vr environment - too slow | 12:46 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/shots/March25th02006.PNG | 12:47 |
| kanzure | hm, old memories | 12:47 |
| kanzure | and screenshotting nearly exactly one year later is awesome | 12:47 |
| nsh | god damn | 12:50 |
| nsh | i wish i was having the kind of coversations you were at 16 | 12:50 |
| kanzure | oh, fenn, http://heybryan.org/shots/June29th02007_2.PNG -- here's the bookmarks-as-tab system | 12:50 |
| nsh | nice WP category: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Anti-patterns | 12:51 |
| fenn | Category:Anti-category | 12:52 |
| fenn | Category:Damned-things | 12:52 |
| kanzure | DLL Hell :) | 12:52 |
| kanzure | heh | 12:52 |
| nsh | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous_obsolescence | 12:53 |
| nsh | interesting to think about in the context of the tech. singularity | 12:53 |
| kanzure | nsh: did you see http://heybryan.org/fernhout/ ? | 12:54 |
| kanzure | it's a guy's commentary on Kurzweil's singularity concepts | 12:54 |
| nsh | looking | 12:54 |
| kanzure | in the context of F/OSS | 12:54 |
| nsh | oh cool | 12:54 |
| fenn | hmm tag soup is an anti-pattern? i thought it was a desired end-state | 12:55 |
| kanzure | other browsers that I've tried (all at once, sort of - not firefox, not dillo, w3m, lynx, links, elinks, links2, maxthon, safari, galeon, epiphany, etc.), http://heybryan.org/shots/June8th02007_browsers_SonyVAIO_PCVRS510.PNG | 12:55 |
| nsh | fenn, perhaps it's under the umbrella of anti-patterns because tag soups facility uniqueness | 12:56 |
| fenn | nevermind it's not what i thought | 12:56 |
| fenn | something about non-standard html | 12:56 |
| nsh | with a diverse enough soup of tags any particular thing would have some unique combination | 12:56 |
| kanzure | Google hates me: http://heybryan.org/shots/July10th02007_Google_talkingback.PNG | 12:57 |
| kanzure | ooh | 12:58 |
| kanzure | if anybody is interested in my bookmarking interface, it's to the left here: http://heybryan.org/shots/July1st02007.PNG | 12:58 |
| nsh | that "feature" of google that you highlighted in the square red rectangle really annoys me sometimes | 12:59 |
| fenn | yeah no shit | 12:59 |
| nsh | i tend nowadays to always preface terms with a + to avoid it | 12:59 |
| fenn | no way to turn it off | 12:59 |
| nsh | +term stops it from doing the stemming | 12:59 |
| kanzure | has anybody seen my 'tarpits' on my home page? | 13:00 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/ | 13:00 |
| nsh | and second-guessing of typing | 13:00 |
| kanzure | there's a collection of very, very large zip files there | 13:00 |
| kanzure | I was using a script I wrote to auto query Yahoo | 13:00 |
| kanzure | they let you do it too :) if you go get an api key | 13:00 |
| kanzure | Google no longer gives out api keys for their soap stuff | 13:00 |
| kanzure | anyway, it's an interesting alternative since you can process it immediately, as long as you're ok with 70 MB of text for only 1000 results. | 13:00 |
| nsh | oh, on that point, yahoo is/has lauch(ed/ing) something called searchmonkey | 13:00 |
| nsh | which allows you to code searchs to be run on their backend | 13:01 |
| kanzure | oops, I meant 100 searches each with 1000 results. | 13:01 |
| nsh | looks promising | 13:01 |
| kanzure | sounds like a good step | 13:01 |
| kanzure | too bad Jimmy didn't believe me | 13:01 |
| nsh | Jimmy? | 13:01 |
| kanzure | Wales. | 13:01 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Wales | 13:01 |
| nsh | http://developer.yahoo.com/searchmonkey/developer.html | 13:01 |
| nsh | oh | 13:01 |
| nsh | i don't think he likes me since i got pissed off and made some joke about him being so jesus he should expect a crucification | 13:02 |
| nsh | think it was over some selfcensorship issue | 13:03 |
| kanzure | I don't think he likes me because I pointed out to him that making an 'objective' search engine was stupid | 13:03 |
| * nsh forgets the details | 13:03 | |
| nsh | *cruxifiction | 13:03 |
| nsh | mm | 13:04 |
| nsh | how do you mean>? | 13:04 |
| nsh | (damn this us laptop keyboard layout is a chore) | 13:04 |
| kanzure | uh, well simply that it's a *selection* that the user is making | 13:04 |
| nsh | (shame this searchmonkey dealie uses PHP...) | 13:04 |
| kanzure | and so you should let the user design the selection | 13:04 |
| nsh | right | 13:05 |
| kanzure | which might possibly include something more than just words | 13:05 |
| nsh | ideally, it should be transjective | 13:05 |
| nsh | subjectively-objective | 13:05 |
| nsh | objectively-subjective | 13:05 |
| kanzure | for example, I'd like to search based off of connectivity, general regions of the web, as much information as I wanted to pour into it | 13:05 |
| kanzure | I'd like to search from 'contexts' | 13:05 |
| * nsh nods | 13:05 | |
| kanzure | for example, let's say the APA comes out with their own module/plugin for the search engine | 13:05 |
| kanzure | then I'd like to act like an APA psychologist and search from their perspective :) | 13:05 |
| kanzure | (for some reason?) | 13:05 |
| nsh | right | 13:05 |
| nsh | it's about having access to as many "reality-tunnels" as possible | 13:06 |
| nsh | and the ability to contrast them and find patterns between | 13:06 |
| kanzure | yes | 13:07 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/shots/2008-03-23_autoscholar.png <--- so this was a few months ago ... obviously I really, really need this better windowing environment | 13:08 |
| fenn | arrgh motherfucking google is the next microsoft | 13:13 |
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| fenn | ok it seems to work after creating a new "google groups" identity in a separate browser process | 13:33 |
| kanzure | fenn: I replied http://heybryan.org/pipermail/hplusroadmap/2008-May/000553.html | 13:37 |
| kanzure | and we're going with hplusroadmap since it has the larger memberbase | 13:37 |
| fenn | eh? openvirgle is more lively | 13:41 |
| kanzure | only because of three guys, myself included | 13:42 |
| kanzure | I've been forwarding messages between lists, really | 13:42 |
| kanzure | but I guess I've been forgetting | 13:42 |
| fenn | the forwarding is too hard, i can't deal with it | 13:42 |
| fenn | please stick to openvirgle | 13:43 |
| kanzure | I guess. /me is wondering what he's going to do with all of the @mit.edu's and @stanford.edu's and other interesting people from hplusroadmap that he struggled to get onboard | 13:47 |
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| fenn | ok, forward the interesting bits only then :) and keep active discussion on openvirgle? | 13:50 |
| fenn | how can i be stressed out, i'm not even getting paid for this :P | 13:50 |
| fenn | my culture hasnt prepared me | 13:51 |
| fenn | wtf is "chaordic" anyway | 13:51 |
| fenn | i hate words that dont mean anything | 13:52 |
| kanzure | http://chaordic.org/ apparently | 13:53 |
| kanzure | "creative destruction" or something | 13:53 |
| fenn | nonsense | 13:53 |
| kanzure | basically: blow up an object and you get gradients | 13:54 |
| fenn | and another mysql daemon bites the dust, apparently | 13:54 |
| kanzure | hm? | 13:54 |
| fenn | oh, chaordic is misconfigured | 13:54 |
| fenn | chaordic.org | 13:54 |
| fenn | agh there's a fork of the skdb wiki page on oscomak.net too | 14:00 |
| kanzure | do we need to unfork it? | 14:02 |
| kanzure | http://oscomak.net/wiki/SKDB | 14:02 |
| kanzure | brb | 14:02 |
| fenn | dunno, it looks small enough for now.. | 14:03 |
| fenn | i dont get it - what's "semantic" about mediawiki? | 14:06 |
| fenn | sure it has categories and namespaces, big deal | 14:06 |
| ybit | why not just kdb? | 14:07 |
| fenn | why not sekdb? | 14:07 |
| ybit | hehe, what's the e for? | 14:07 |
| fenn | engineering, silly | 14:07 |
| fenn | i for one, am not going to try to make a 'do everything' program | 14:08 |
| fenn | all of engineering is more than enough | 14:08 |
| fenn | actually it's a subset of engineering, but hush hush | 14:08 |
| kanzure | this is not a do everything program, correct | 14:15 |
| kanzure | oh, you refer to 'kdb' | 14:15 |
| fenn | yeah, it _could_ be a general purpose knowledge base, but i'll leave that up to the "experts" | 14:16 |
| fenn | people who use words like stigmergy and ontology | 14:17 |
| kanzure | http://risdpedia.net/index.php/Main_Page ' RISDpedia is a collaborative website who serves to document all the products and materials used by artists and designers. Imagine if you looked up epoxy on wikipedia and, instead of finding information about the chemicals that are used to make it, there was a list of all the different epoxies available, with full information on each of them: how to use them, what they work with, what they | 14:17 |
| kanzure | argh | 14:17 |
| kanzure | this is just going to be flat information though | 14:17 |
| kanzure | artists should be able to apt-get install <painting supplies> | 14:17 |
| kanzure | and have it either made on the spot or ordered from friends / companies /etc. | 14:17 |
| fenn | do artists know how to type? :P | 14:18 |
| kanzure | 'artist' is a very broad spectrum, isn't it? | 14:18 |
| fenn | yeah, aren't we all | 14:18 |
| kanzure | http://risdpedia.net/index.php/Category:Raw_Materials | 14:19 |
| kanzure | it's a material database | 14:19 |
| kanzure | kind of like geiga's howto wiki | 14:19 |
| kanzure | hrm | 14:19 |
| nsh | want, moar, firefly | 14:20 |
| kanzure | Star Wars did it first | 14:21 |
| kanzure | Hm. So the KDE taskbar is looking better. Still need to find a way to add some scrollbars. | 14:22 |
| kanzure | And then I'll just do linkdumps of all open browser windows through dproc as you suggested yesterday. | 14:25 |
| fenn | dcop | 14:26 |
| kanzure | dcop | 14:26 |
| kanzure | http://canllaith.org/?page_id=15 | 14:26 |
| kanzure | ugh, not useful | 14:27 |
| fenn | thanks for posting it :) | 14:27 |
| kanzure | ' YaKuake - This application provides a Quake-like terminal emulator, which is toggled visible using the F12 key. It also has support for multiple tabs. YaKuake can be installed via Pacman:' | 14:30 |
| kanzure | ' pacman -S yakuake' | 14:30 |
| kanzure | Alt+Up - Create a new tab. Alt+Down - Close current tab. Alt+Left - Go to the left tab. Alt+Right - Go to the right tab. | 14:30 |
| kanzure | http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=29153 | 14:30 |
| kanzure | it's using a tile windowing manager via konsole | 14:30 |
| kanzure | that's an interesting way to go about it, I don't want to keep on typing CTRL+F5 or whatever to go to the run prompt to type in xterm | 14:31 |
| * fenn is picturing something where you shoot processes to kill them | 14:32 | |
| kanzure | sometimes you just need to let off a little steam | 14:33 |
| wrldpc | heh | 14:33 |
| fenn | interview with saul griffith | 14:42 |
| fenn | FSB: What are you going to do with the $500,000? | 14:42 |
| fenn | SG: Right now I'm toying with a whole lot of ideas that otherwise wouldn't become realiy but are pretty cool and should exist. For instance, I'd love to see a CAD program that allows you to enter folding patterns for origami and paper airplanes. Imagine an online application where every kid in the world could upload their favorite design for a papper plane or origami crane...that would build this wonderful rich library of paper folding objects. | 14:42 |
| fenn | november 2007 | 14:42 |
| kanzure | djfkladjfasdlkfjklasd | 14:42 |
| kanzure | I wonder if he's used any of the money | 14:42 |
| kanzure | also, how can we best get in contact with him | 14:42 |
| fenn | instructables i guess | 14:43 |
| kanzure | the alt keys with yakuake don't work | 14:43 |
| fenn | sending a nasty email to makani windpower didnt get any response :) | 14:43 |
| kanzure | hm | 14:44 |
| kanzure | maybe through one of his friends | 14:44 |
| kanzure | quick, what's his social network on facebook like? | 14:44 |
| fenn | he has a lot of friends.. | 14:44 |
| fenn | just look at the squid labs blog | 14:44 |
| fenn | SRL, MAKE, etc | 14:44 |
| kanzure | hrm | 14:44 |
| fenn | saul griffith: your PhD thesis sucked! | 14:45 |
| kanzure | hm, he's not on facebook | 14:45 |
| fenn | oh, this isnt google-indexed heh | 14:46 |
| fenn | its like shouting at the tv :( | 14:46 |
| kanzure | Maker Faire will be in Austin in October. | 14:48 |
| wrldpc | I shout at the TV occasionally :( | 14:55 |
| fenn | rofl: So, in other words, the answer to, "Can you give me a specific example of a Classname or line of code as it relates to SKDB metadata?", is currently "No"? :-( | 14:56 |
| fenn | How much typing work can it be to include one specific name for a class and include on line of code? But the actual *thinking* involved in presenting those two may be enormous, as well as the level of commitment and bravery in risking laying out something in detail that would almost certainly be buggy and incomplete (as almost all real programs are | 14:57 |
| kanzure | well, I did do it | 14:59 |
| kanzure | back in March or something. | 14:59 |
| kanzure | http://makerfaireaustin.pbwiki.com/ | 15:06 |
| kanzure | http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/624269/?ps=5 | 15:06 |
| kanzure | June 1 meetup :) | 15:06 |
| fenn | crikey that's less than a week | 15:08 |
| kanzure | why do we cut these things so damned short? | 15:08 |
| fenn | its that gosh-danged internet, spawn of the devil i tell ya | 15:09 |
| kanzure | http://www.salsa.net local chapter of the internet soc | 15:54 |
| kanzure | ' For the next two years or so the Media Lab of SalsaNet, (San Antonio’s oldest internet organization and the South Central Chapter of the Internet Society) will incubate a laboratory in community radio, television and world wide broadband production. A facility we are calling Public Stud' | 15:54 |
| kanzure | ' Public Studio will provide space, mentoring and equipment to young people and encourage and enable the exploration of community media and interactive world wide collaboration' | 15:54 |
| kanzure | neat, Jon Lebkowsky is onboard | 15:55 |
| kanzure | apparently there's something called the "Austin Brain Party " | 16:01 |
| kanzure | tuns out the kde taskbar is python | 16:23 |
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| kanzure | perlpanel would be nice if it had a vertical mode | 16:51 |
| kanzure | oh, and if the dev team wasn't dead, that too. | 16:51 |
| kanzure | https://bricecubed.wikidot.com/local--files/start/WebDevelopersWetDream.png | 17:12 |
| kanzure | not much of a wet dream | 17:12 |
| kanzure | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/cobalt60/dtop.jpg this guy is my hero | 17:19 |
| kramer3d | haha | 17:27 |
| Biopunk | i guess thats one of 6 virtual desktops and all look the same | 17:30 |
| kanzure | http://img.hgtv.com/HGTV/2006/01/13/mso904_1c_messyhobbyroom3_w609.jpg somebody with a 6 monitor setup? | 17:32 |
| kanzure | http://www.cs.uml.edu/radical-design/index.php?n=WorkstationGroup.WorkstationGroup | 17:33 |
| kanzure | http://www.charm.net/~jriley/bedw.html In-bed computer deks | 17:33 |
| kanzure | desk | 17:33 |
| kanzure | http://www.stereo3d.com/hmd.htm <--- very lengthy comparison of headsets | 17:35 |
| * kanzure wants to find http://www.cs.uml.edu/~echo/dscn0500largeod0_s.jpg | 17:40 | |
| Biopunk | (The requested URL /~echo/dscn0500largeod0_s.jpg was not found on this server.) | 17:50 |
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| Biopunk | kanzure: I copied a comment you made on DIYbio to my board today... | 17:51 |
| kanzure | Biopunk: yeah? | 17:52 |
| Biopunk | it was an answer you wrote to an article jason bob posted about the future of synthetic biology | 17:52 |
| Biopunk | ...a long fucking answer | 17:53 |
| Biopunk | and you said some stuff i'm thinking too so I copied you verbatim | 17:54 |
| wrldpc | Phoenix touchdown in an hour plus: http://www.theflowingofthedao.com/wordpress/2008/05/17/phoenix-mars-lander-touchdown-set-for-may-25-753-pm/ | 18:10 |
| kanzure | Biopunk: Ah, yeah, that one. | 18:11 |
| kanzure | It wasn't a response to Jason really, just a general essay. | 18:11 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/shots/messyshots/ | 18:12 |
| kanzure | http://nickgravgaard.com/windowlab/ I don't get it. | 18:28 |
| Biopunk | I was following one of the rovers for a couple of weeks last year... it was driving just next to a huge crater... i think it spent the winter next to it too. | 18:35 |
| Biopunk | i love this pic: http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/multimedia/gallery/Enceladus_PIA06254_full.jpg | 18:39 |
| Biopunk | It's Enceladus, one of saturns moons.. it's tiny.. made of ice | 18:39 |
| Biopunk | 500km in diameter | 18:40 |
| nsh | eta 'til landing? | 18:45 |
| * nsh getting the sleepy | 18:45 | |
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| kanzure | Hey Splicer2. | 20:02 |
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| kanzure | Hi Vedestin. | 20:39 |
| Vedestin | hey kanzure | 20:42 |
| Vedestin | i've been reading about ADD | 20:44 |
| Vedestin | specifically in adults | 20:44 |
| kanzure | yeah? | 20:45 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/intense_world_syndrome.html | 20:45 |
| Vedestin | that's autism, are they the same thing? | 20:47 |
| Vedestin | i didn't think so | 20:47 |
| kanzure | yes, it is | 20:47 |
| kanzure | ADHD/ADD is on the ADS (autist disorder spectrum) | 20:47 |
| kanzure | as well as Aspergers | 20:47 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspergers_syndrome | 20:47 |
| Vedestin | so it's less severe aspergers? | 20:47 |
| kanzure | in fact, AS (aspergers) frequently gets misdiagnosed as ADHD | 20:47 |
| kanzure | Vedestin: that's one way to put it | 20:48 |
| kanzure | although I wouldn't hold me to that analogy | 20:48 |
| kanzure | *hold myself | 20:48 |
| Vedestin | right i see | 20:48 |
| Vedestin | so when they do imaging of brain activity in people with adhd | 20:48 |
| Vedestin | does that match up to what they'd see in someone with aspergers or other forms of autism | 20:48 |
| kanzure | I haven't checked that out yet. That's a good question. | 20:49 |
| Vedestin | it's all well and good to connect things symptomatically | 20:50 |
| Vedestin | but if the causes aren't related then you can't really put them on the same spectrum | 20:50 |
| kanzure | no, the causes most certainly are related | 20:52 |
| kanzure | for example, in intense_world_syndrome.html you see that there is hyperprocessing in both AS and ADHD | 20:52 |
| kanzure | now, in the case of AS, the tendency is to hyperfocus more often than not | 20:52 |
| kanzure | in ADHD, or even really ADD, you tend to split up your attention as much as possible | 20:52 |
| kanzure | it's a stupid solution to a serious problem, but that just happens to be what solution your brain natively implements | 20:52 |
| * kanzure should know :( | 20:53 | |
| kanzure | I need to edit TaskBar::wheelEvent() in http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdebase/kicker/taskbar/taskbar.cpp?revision=604546&view=markup#1078 to access Panner::scrollRightDown/scrollLeftUp in http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdebase/kicker/libkicker/panner.cpp?revision=474084&view=markup ... how could I do this? | 20:58 |
| Vedestin | do you ever get that thing where you're reading a book or a webpage or something | 21:01 |
| Vedestin | and you've read a few paragraphs before you realise you didn't take any of it in | 21:02 |
| Vedestin | and you were thinking about something totally different and unrelated | 21:02 |
| kanzure | yep | 21:05 |
| kanzure | but I'm pretty sure that's normal :) | 21:05 |
| Vedestin | i think it is | 21:06 |
| kanzure | crap crap crap crap crap | 21:10 |
| kanzure | no space left on disk | 21:10 |
| Vedestin | get a bigger one | 21:15 |
| Vedestin | you can get 1tb drives now | 21:15 |
| kanzure | I'm on a 40 GB drivce. I'll be getting a handful of terabytes when I get the new setup up and running | 21:15 |
| Vedestin | a handful | 21:15 |
| kanzure | I'm trying to come up with a name for the setup (the +5 monitor beast) | 21:15 |
| kanzure | Fortress of Solitude | 21:15 |
| Vedestin | call it asp | 21:15 |
| Vedestin | man, 5 monitors | 21:16 |
| Vedestin | that'd be interesting | 21:16 |
| kanzure | I want more than 5. I'm going with as many as I can dig out of a dumpster. | 21:16 |
| Vedestin | LCDs are pretty cheap | 21:17 |
| Splicer2 | a stupid question... people with aspergers can have a heightened sense for focusing right? | 21:17 |
| Vedestin | yep Splicer2 | 21:17 |
| kanzure | LCDs are *not* cheap. | 21:17 |
| Vedestin | really kanzure? | 21:18 |
| kanzure | yeah, not if you want decent resolution | 21:18 |
| kanzure | 21+ inches | 21:18 |
| Vedestin | what's that cost over there? | 21:18 |
| kanzure | I mean, decent size | 21:18 |
| kanzure | oh, $100 USD + | 21:18 |
| kanzure | 21 inch CRTs go for something like $10 ;-) | 21:18 |
| Vedestin | that's cheap | 21:18 |
| kanzure | nobody wants them | 21:18 |
| kanzure | they are huge | 21:18 |
| Vedestin | yeah, but then you've got to find somehwere to put them | 21:18 |
| Vedestin | i'd hate to have to move this rig | 21:19 |
| Vedestin | if you move on campus | 21:19 |
| kanzure | hehe | 21:19 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/shots/inspiration/ | 21:19 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/shots/messyshots/ | 21:19 |
| Splicer2 | i don't like crt:s... when I realized there were e-readers i found myself not liking paperbooks either | 21:21 |
| Splicer2 | ...same with cd:s and DVD:s | 21:22 |
| Splicer2 | waste of space | 21:22 |
| Vedestin | optical media sucks! | 21:22 |
| Vedestin | suuuuucks | 21:22 |
| Splicer2 | if the content is compressed it's ok for me | 21:24 |
| Splicer2 | it's just the space aspect | 21:24 |
| Splicer2 | that bothers me | 21:24 |
| Vedestin | jesus fucking christ | 21:25 |
| Vedestin | http://heybryan.org/shots/messyshots/ubuntuforums_slob_workstation.jpg | 21:25 |
| Splicer2 | you called? | 21:25 |
| Vedestin | no | 21:25 |
| Vedestin | jesus | 21:25 |
| Vedestin | fucking | 21:25 |
| Vedestin | christ | 21:25 |
| Splicer2 | (i seldom use my middle name) | 21:25 |
| Vedestin | i see | 21:26 |
| kanzure | Vedestin: if you find that to be bad, check out | 21:27 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/infohoarding.html | 21:27 |
| kanzure | oops | 21:28 |
| kanzure | that might not be good | 21:28 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collyer_brothers | 21:28 |
| kanzure | that's better. | 21:28 |
| Splicer2 | natural selection built hoarding in I think | 21:31 |
| Splicer2 | in a small group maybe it's even good to have one guy focusing on it | 21:31 |
| Vedestin | yeah, it's resource gathering gone wrong | 21:31 |
| kanzure | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d6/Collyer5.jpg | 21:31 |
| kanzure | gone wrong? These guys were probably fairly intelligent. I mean, they were building engines, power generators, medical equipment, elaborate traps against burglers, and cached over 20,000 medical books. | 21:32 |
| Splicer2 | I wouldn't want to do that | 21:35 |
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| kanzure | Why not? | 21:35 |
| Splicer | I think my kink demands a balance between hoarding and utilization of what I hoarded | 21:36 |
| kanzure | so? | 21:38 |
| kanzure | just utilize all of it | 21:38 |
| Splicer | i only plan to be 150 years old | 21:39 |
| Splicer | hitler hoarded i think btw.. he found some kind of balance | 21:39 |
| Splicer | hoarded books... read a chaper here and there | 21:40 |
| Splicer | and found time to do other things to | 21:41 |
| kanzure | I recursively hoard. | 21:41 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/shots/img_8032.jpg but this isn't recent, doesn't show all of the stacks | 21:41 |
| kanzure | I figure it's quite impressive :) | 21:41 |
| Splicer | how do you know when you´re done? | 21:43 |
| kanzure | hm? | 21:43 |
| Splicer | ready to take the next step | 21:43 |
| kanzure | Usually when I get to the end of the section in the bookstore. | 21:43 |
| kanzure | The end of the case. | 21:44 |
| kanzure | although more or less I fall off the map when I become inattentive or I run out of money | 21:44 |
| kanzure | Also, think about it in terms of downloading. | 21:45 |
| kanzure | You need a strategy when you download something, since you can't just hoard everything because you will run out of disk space; therefore, you need to hoard specifically information on making more disk space. | 21:46 |
| Splicer | I'm not sure one can learn everything about everyting | 21:46 |
| kanzure | That might be true, but the set of novel problems within the set 'everything' isn't going to be that large, since the barrier to entry on some topics isn't going to be that hard, otherwise people wouldn't be able to do it anyway. :) | 21:46 |
| Splicer | the problem is that the goals change... they won't be to learn everything abbout everything when one is say 30 | 21:48 |
| kanzure | huh? | 21:49 |
| kanzure | Why not? | 21:49 |
| Splicer | they just don´t.. sometimes I think the brain changes.. it's not just that the context you find yourself in does. | 21:50 |
| kanzure | uh? | 21:51 |
| kanzure | is that scientifically provable | 21:51 |
| kanzure | that the brain changes in some significant way from age 29 to age 30 ? | 21:51 |
| Splicer | that the brain changes? | 21:51 |
| Splicer | from say 20 to 30 | 21:51 |
| Splicer | like there are few 70 year old psycopaths for instance | 21:52 |
| kanzure | because they die when they are young ... | 21:53 |
| Splicer | hehehe | 21:53 |
| Splicer | no.. they write poetry and shit | 21:53 |
| Vedestin | gandhi was a psychopath and he lived to a ripe old age | 21:54 |
| Splicer | like miyagi | 21:54 |
| kanzure | well. I've recompiled kicker. | 21:54 |
| kanzure | things are not working well. middle scrollwheel no longer does anything, but it's supposed to scroll of course :) | 21:55 |
| Vedestin | you have an interesting definiton of "working well" | 21:56 |
| Splicer | use the side scrollwheels | 21:57 |
| Splicer | old former politicians are a good example of the brainchange thing... when a man is 70 he is less likely to give a fuck... so they turn up in documentaries and talk uncandedly about what they actually did. | 21:59 |
| Splicer | ....and they have this philosophical twist to it, that they can have lacked before | 22:00 |
| kanzure | uh? | 22:13 |
| kanzure | basically you're bullshitting | 22:13 |
| kanzure | stop :) | 22:13 |
| wrldpc | Splicer what's up? | 22:14 |
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| Splicer | not bullshitting | 22:15 |
| kanzure | I'd say so. | 22:17 |
| kanzure | while I agree that the brain ages, I don't think you understand that we can ultimately prevent / fix things like Alzheimers etc. | 22:17 |
| Splicer | it's probably more than that.. hormones etc. | 22:18 |
| kanzure | okay ? so what ? | 22:19 |
| kanzure | insert the hormones into the system | 22:19 |
| Splicer | i didn't say it needed to be fixed | 22:19 |
| Splicer | i said it's a fact | 22:20 |
| kanzure | well, whether or not it's a fact is under dispute here, and at the same time why wouldn't you want to be able to fix it? what if you decided you wanted to fix it at that point? | 22:20 |
| kanzure | kind of late by that point, eh? | 22:20 |
| Splicer | never thought about that.. it has it's upsides | 22:21 |
| kanzure | how would you know? your brain becomes dysfunctional to the point where you don't understand the upsides | 22:21 |
| Splicer | stuff like viagra actually fucks it up | 22:21 |
| kanzure | Let's try this. | 22:22 |
| Splicer | who said dysfunctional? | 22:22 |
| kanzure | What's your point? What's your argument? | 22:22 |
| wrldpc | heh | 22:23 |
| Splicer | ok.. again.. i say that the phenomenon exists... not that I whish to fix it | 22:23 |
| wrldpc | this is a question of more or less I think. | 22:23 |
| wrldpc | why don't you wish to fix it? | 22:23 |
| Splicer | cause it's not a bug | 22:23 |
| wrldpc | or prevent it altogether? Would you like to prevent it or fix it if you had the ability? | 22:23 |
| wrldpc | What do you mean it's not a bug? | 22:23 |
| wrldpc | It's a horribly debilitating disease. | 22:23 |
| Splicer | what? | 22:24 |
| wrldpc | Alzheimer's right? | 22:24 |
| kanzure | :) | 22:24 |
| kanzure | horribly debilitating indeed | 22:24 |
| wrldpc | heh | 22:24 |
| Splicer | no... kanzure brough that up | 22:24 |
| wrldpc | Oh, sorry. | 22:24 |
| wrldpc | People seek simple solutions to complex problems. Is that naïve? | 22:25 |
| Splicer | i think it would fuck up societies if everyone was running around like they were 20 | 22:25 |
| wrldpc | Complex solutions to simple problems. | 22:25 |
| wrldpc | I think we need a new take on society. | 22:25 |
| Splicer | oki | 22:26 |
| wrldpc | ahoma | 22:26 |
| wrldpc | oh | 22:28 |
| wrldpc | heh | 22:28 |
| wrldpc | uh yeah so anyway phoenix touched down and http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1186066367757 | 22:28 |
| wrldpc | No visual data back from the Martian icecap. | 22:28 |
| wrldpc | jupiter has a new storm | 22:29 |
| wrldpc | eh | 22:29 |
| Splicer | cool | 22:31 |
| Splicer | (Feynman said he didn't think time travel could be done) | 22:36 |
| Splicer | images from Phoenix, slow link: http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/images.php?gID=0&cID=7 | 22:53 |
| Splicer | wikipedia has images too and better bandwidth | 22:55 |
| kanzure | HAHA! | 22:56 |
| kanzure | IT WORKS. | 22:56 |
| * kanzure wears sheepish green | 22:56 | |
| Splicer | i wonder how people will react when this or the next mission finds life there | 23:00 |
| kanzure | oh, yeah, sure, because burning chemical propellant at 200 gallons/sec isn't amazing enough :) | 23:01 |
| kanzure | hehe, I'm joking. | 23:01 |
| Splicer | i thought that was considered barbecue in texas | 23:02 |
| kanzure | There's not much considering done in Texas. | 23:03 |
| Splicer | I guess when they find it... gods work description will have to be adjusted again. | 23:06 |
| Splicer | time to sleep... cu | 23:07 |
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