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| kramer3d | kanzure: you here | 00:11 |
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| kanzure | kramer3d: yes. | 00:12 |
| kramer3d | kanzure: i dont really know who to ask this, maybe you can help me out.. is it possible to get into bioengineering/biomed engineering w/out doing undergrad engineering? | 00:14 |
| kramer3d | phd | 00:24 |
| kanzure | hm | 00:27 |
| kanzure | That really depends on what you mean by "get into". | 00:27 |
| kanzure | Because technically you could start a bioengineering group without a degree. | 00:27 |
| kanzure | You think I have a degree? | 00:27 |
| fenn | you think you have a bioengineering group? :) | 00:27 |
| kramer3d | phd progrsm | 00:28 |
| kramer3d | a | 00:28 |
| fenn | kramer3d: not in the US with the current cultural climate | 00:28 |
| kramer3d | :/ | 00:29 |
| fenn | you might be a lab tech though, if you get lucky | 00:29 |
| kanzure | I don't know about that. It depends on what you mean by actual 'bioengineering', since you could get an accounting job at a biotech firm or something silly like that. | 00:29 |
| fenn | bioinformatics computer jockey is another opportunity | 00:30 |
| kramer3d | like i said | 00:30 |
| kramer3d | phd program | 00:30 |
| fenn | why do you want to get into a phd program? | 00:30 |
| kramer3d | becauuse i want to | 00:31 |
| fenn | that's no reason | 00:31 |
| fenn | fess up | 00:31 |
| kramer3d | wtf | 00:31 |
| kramer3d | for education | 00:31 |
| kramer3d | research | 00:31 |
| kanzure | hm? | 00:31 |
| fenn | if you dont know why, you seriously need to think about it before wasting years of your life | 00:31 |
| kramer3d | maybe become a professor | 00:31 |
| kramer3d | its not wasting | 00:31 |
| kanzure | yeah it is :) you're going to die | 00:32 |
| kramer3d | thats youre perspective | 00:32 |
| kramer3d | youre gonna die too :/ | 00:32 |
| fenn | hmph. some bio-engineer | 00:32 |
| fenn | planned obsolescence apologist! | 00:32 |
| kramer3d | fenn: why youre anti phd? | 00:32 |
| kramer3d | and education? | 00:33 |
| kanzure | nothing wrong with a phd, but a goal is better | 00:33 |
| fenn | because academia sucks, the educational model is all wrong | 00:33 |
| kramer3d | i have a goal | 00:33 |
| fenn | it doesn't foster education | 00:33 |
| kramer3d | um ok | 00:33 |
| fenn | you cant even speak because they've twisted the words around so much | 00:33 |
| fenn | do you know what 'the liberal arts' used to mean? | 00:33 |
| kanzure | hah :) | 00:33 |
| kramer3d | no, but i dont really care | 00:33 |
| kramer3d | im not into liberal arts | 00:33 |
| kanzure | that's his point | 00:33 |
| kramer3d | say you want to make something | 00:34 |
| kramer3d | but you dont have the tools | 00:34 |
| kramer3d | what do you do then waste 10 years of ur life | 00:34 |
| kramer3d | getting the tools :/ | 00:34 |
| kramer3d | or just work at uni | 00:34 |
| kramer3d | where they already have it | 00:34 |
| kramer3d | what u think about that :/ | 00:34 |
| fenn | uni tools are 20 years behind the times | 00:35 |
| fenn | they throw slave labor and money at their own incompetence | 00:35 |
| kramer3d | depends on what exactly youre talking about | 00:35 |
| kanzure | let's put it this way | 00:35 |
| kanzure | a university undergrad degree is worth the equivalent of reading 10,000 pages | 00:35 |
| kanzure | and a masters degree is maybe 20k | 00:36 |
| kanzure | so a PhD is usually 50k+ | 00:36 |
| kanzure | now, there are thousands of universities on the internet | 00:36 |
| kanzure | and many thousands of phd programs as well | 00:36 |
| kanzure | so you can definitely see the course curriculums and read all of that on your own | 00:36 |
| kanzure | *then* the lab research aspects, | 00:36 |
| kanzure | those are mostly all on your own --anyway-- | 00:36 |
| kramer3d | :/ | 00:36 |
| kramer3d | no they arent | 00:36 |
| kanzure | well, if you want to be a labmonkey I guess. | 00:37 |
| fenn | i cant find a good explanation of 'liberal arts' online - basically it was: grammar, rhetoric, logic. then expanded to include the rest of science and math | 00:37 |
| kanzure | 'liberal arts' used to be 'the renaissance man' | 00:37 |
| fenn | it's "liberal" because they are empowering, leading to the freedom of their users | 00:37 |
| kramer3d | most phd programs give you stipend, whats not to love about that | 00:37 |
| kanzure | liberal as in liberation, not liberty-politics | 00:37 |
| kramer3d | you get paid to study | 00:37 |
| kramer3d | i guess if you want to be a systems administrator and google neuroscience terms in your free time its fine :/ | 00:38 |
| kanzure | uh? | 00:38 |
| kramer3d | lol ignore the last line | 00:38 |
| kanzure | nah, I don't take it as an insult, I just think you are misinformed | 00:39 |
| kanzure | tell me - in a university, how are you going to learn? | 00:39 |
| fenn | there's more to bioinformatics than being a sysadmin | 00:39 |
| kanzure | are you going to, not search/google ? | 00:39 |
| kramer3d | i will read textbooks | 00:39 |
| kramer3d | and do homeworks yay \o/ | 00:39 |
| kanzure | as opposed to reading them now? | 00:39 |
| kramer3d | ya but nothing forcing me to do it | 00:39 |
| kanzure | except yourself? | 00:39 |
| kramer3d | no structre | 00:39 |
| kramer3d | yep | 00:39 |
| kanzure | create your own structure? | 00:40 |
| fenn | kanzure: that really is the hardest part | 00:40 |
| kramer3d | thats easier said than done | 00:40 |
| kanzure | fenn: I was making an observation today. I've found that when you say that you want 'your own time', to do your own thing and be yourself, people look at you all funny, as if you're the most evil thing in the world. | 00:40 |
| kramer3d | but really dont underestimate uni | 00:40 |
| fenn | don't overestimate uni :P | 00:40 |
| kramer3d | i learned calculs on my own and retook it at uni thinking itll be cake | 00:40 |
| kramer3d | i learned tons of new stuff | 00:41 |
| kanzure | I'm not sure calculus-in-class is the best way | 00:41 |
| kanzure | mathematics is not something that can easily be verbalized | 00:41 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/school/Calculus/index2.html | 00:41 |
| kanzure | I've been noticing that it's actually much easier if you can type it into mathematica or octave or some other mathematics software, so that you can see the data structures and methods | 00:41 |
| kramer3d | ?? | 00:41 |
| kramer3d | math is pretty straughtforward | 00:41 |
| kanzure | but for some reason teachers like to teach it in a traditional style :) | 00:41 |
| fenn | kanzure: we live in an employee economy, not a capitalist economy (re your own time) | 00:41 |
| kramer3d | if you pay attention to the proofs | 00:41 |
| kanzure | you'd be surprised, it's actually much simpler than the teachers make it | 00:42 |
| fenn | it's worse than saying you want to be a communist, because at least communists are good little employees | 00:42 |
| kramer3d | well simpler is good if you are just doing math to get it out of the way | 00:42 |
| kanzure | uh? | 00:42 |
| kanzure | simpler doesn't leave stuff off, though | 00:42 |
| fenn | obviously the math education is totally fucked, otherwise everyone wouldn't hate math | 00:43 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/bookmarks/bookmarks-old2/toc.html#21-top <-- my mathematics bookmarks | 00:43 |
| kanzure | or maybe it's #top-21 | 00:43 |
| kramer3d | i dont hate math | 00:44 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Cal2 <-- entire review of two years of calculus | 00:44 |
| fenn | kramer3d: because you learned it on your own maybe? | 00:44 |
| kramer3d | no, i liked it before learning it on my own | 00:44 |
| kramer3d | i admit the US education system is slow | 00:45 |
| kanzure | fenn: I think mathematics is a very good example of why skdb is needed; the syntax is 'formal' aka social. | 00:45 |
| fenn | uh.. formal aka social? | 00:45 |
| kanzure | fenn: however, math doesn't exactly belong in skdb except as computational models / simulations, etc. | 00:45 |
| kanzure | yeah | 00:45 |
| fenn | i dont get it | 00:45 |
| kanzure | could you come up with the integral symbol on your own? | 00:45 |
| fenn | lots of ways, too many ways in fact | 00:45 |
| kanzure | and so these guys who call themselves mathematicians give the integral a symbol and name and so on | 00:46 |
| fenn | math notation is highly arbitrary and non-obvious | 00:46 |
| kanzure | and so you have to be indoctrinated into that | 00:46 |
| kanzure | right | 00:46 |
| kanzure | that's my point - there's a lot of stuff that seems to be arbitrary | 00:46 |
| kanzure | these are things that are apparently inaccessible to thought experiments | 00:46 |
| kanzure | or however you want to say that. | 00:46 |
| fenn | so you're saying that any formalized system is by definition impossible to derive? | 00:46 |
| kanzure | nah, because somebody came up with it somewhere else, of course; I'm just saying that it's highly arbitrary | 00:47 |
| fenn | there can be standards that aren't generated socially | 00:47 |
| kanzure | oh? | 00:47 |
| fenn | sure, lots of things | 00:47 |
| fenn | eventually they are disseminated by groups of people, but i wouldn't necessarily call that social | 00:48 |
| kanzure | so I guess these are the ones where "well, this is the only model that can fit, really" | 00:48 |
| kanzure | i.e., ASCII as a way to encode the 256 common characters | 00:48 |
| kanzure | although the exact ordering ... yeah, bad example | 00:48 |
| fenn | bad example :) | 00:48 |
| fenn | i'm thinking IGES but you probably arent familiar | 00:49 |
| kanzure | nope, not a clue | 00:49 |
| fenn | IGES was developed by a small team of .. standards developers | 00:49 |
| fenn | in contrast to STEP (its successor) in which everyone and their grandma had a say | 00:49 |
| kanzure | so why isn't that a social group - the standards developer group? | 00:50 |
| fenn | its cathedral vs bazaar stuff, in this case gone horribly wrong | 00:50 |
| kanzure | I don't know if cathedral-versus-bazaar highlights arbitrary v. nonarbitrary | 00:50 |
| fenn | the small group might as well have been one person | 00:50 |
| kanzure | who makes that person an ultimate allseeing authority? | 00:50 |
| kanzure | I mean, imagine Joe and Jane. Two sides of the world. Both decide to quantify relationships between numbers; both come up with different representation systems. | 00:51 |
| fenn | "with the power vested in me by the state of california.." | 00:51 |
| kanzure | eh.. | 00:51 |
| fenn | lol | 00:51 |
| kanzure | I like to use Ramanujan as an example. Although he *partially* knew the social context of mathematics thanks to Carr's book, he made up a lot of stuff on his own | 00:51 |
| kanzure | apparently, according to G. H. Hardy, Ramanujan ended up making up a good ~century of European mathematics that he was unable to access (being poor and, in India) | 00:52 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/math/math.php | 00:52 |
| kanzure | (btw, I was entering those by hand, in LaTeX, which was a stupid idea) | 00:55 |
| fenn | indeed.. why were you entering them at all? | 00:55 |
| kanzure | I wanted to make a database that was more accessible than Wolfram's mathworld | 00:55 |
| kanzure | also because I wanted to 'digest' the 1200 theorems of Carr's book that I had printed out in dead tree format (I still have it on a shelf over there) | 00:56 |
| kanzure | missing the second half.. | 00:56 |
| kanzure | anyway, I posted a link to a recent document I scanned in | 00:57 |
| kanzure | it was about laying the ground work for viral memetic uptake via synaptic plasticity and 'priming' populations for the maintenance of certain types of memes | 00:57 |
| kanzure | uh, crap, I had a link to what we were just talking about | 00:57 |
| kanzure | ah, right, laying the groundwork | 00:58 |
| fenn | culture | 00:58 |
| kanzure | so, it seems that there has to be groups of people to start that - right | 00:58 |
| kanzure | so the groundwork of many memes is largely incomplete since many people just suck at engineering and art | 00:58 |
| fenn | which memes in particular? | 00:58 |
| kanzure | the same with mathematics; but once you have a successful synaptic (not so much 'cultural') framework, [I was going somewhere with this] | 00:59 |
| kanzure | well, any, I would think | 00:59 |
| kanzure | it's the reason why we're not getting through to kramer3d for example. | 00:59 |
| kramer3d | huh | 00:59 |
| fenn | star trek has done a lot in advancing american culture, imho | 00:59 |
| kanzure | how's that? | 01:00 |
| kanzure | heh, "well at least it's scifi" | 01:00 |
| fenn | by making people familiar with math, physics, cultural relativism, technological solutions to social problems.. | 01:00 |
| fenn | though usually (depending on the writer) they got the physics somewhat wrong | 01:01 |
| kanzure | I think a lot of people let it 'wash out' since there's the magical replicator tech | 01:01 |
| fenn | but at least you can say 'wormhole' and it would mean something | 01:02 |
| kanzure | which I admit still seems too magical. Really? An object replicated right in open air? | 01:02 |
| kanzure | so that probably put a damper on things, but it's better than nothing, yes | 01:02 |
| kanzure | and I suspect it has indeed 'primed' people | 01:02 |
| kanzure | just like ER and how apparently a large number of med students are there because of tv | 01:02 |
| kanzure | (and the whole 'help people not, uh, die' thing) | 01:02 |
| fenn | well, not to excessively nerd out on you, but the transporter beam displaces the air and shields it | 01:03 |
| fenn | so, there's no independent engineering/science culture tv show | 01:04 |
| fenn | damned english | 01:04 |
| fenn | we have no 'star trek' for mad scientists | 01:04 |
| kanzure | if PBS had brains they'd jump on it | 01:04 |
| kanzure | not the science channel, they're too popular-consumer | 01:04 |
| fenn | do people still watch tv? i havent in so long i dont even know what it's like now | 01:05 |
| kanzure | it's pretty terrible | 01:05 |
| kanzure | I watch it only for st:voy, really | 01:05 |
| fenn | junkyard wars/battlebots was cool | 01:05 |
| kanzure | and some dbz, bleach, death note, pokemon, futurama, family guy, the simpsons, batman/superman/iron man, and How It's Made when Andrew steals the remote from me. | 01:06 |
| fenn | superman is back on tv eh | 01:06 |
| kanzure | only on the disney channels, a real downer | 01:07 |
| fenn | probably not any moral relativism there :\ | 01:07 |
| kanzure | http://tgimboej.org/ | 01:08 |
| kanzure | The Great Internet Migratory Box Of Electronics Junk is a progressive lending library of electronic components. An internet meme in physical form halfway between P2P zip-archive sharing and a flea market. It arrives full of wonderful (and possibly useless) components, but you will surely find some treasures to keep. You will be inspired look through your own piles, such as they are, and find more mysterious components that clearly | 01:08 |
| kanzure | a good group to get hooked on skdb | 01:09 |
| fenn | seems like it would accumulate the worst of the cruft | 01:09 |
| fenn | scarcity personified | 01:09 |
| kanzure | not if you know who you're passing it to | 01:09 |
| kanzure | and electronics junk can be pretty cheap, so if a few philanthropists refill it every now and then | 01:10 |
| kanzure | or something? | 01:10 |
| kanzure | should also be given data storage too - "copy this data" | 01:10 |
| fenn | i dont think it would be any good | 01:10 |
| kanzure | http://tgimboej.org/Box_Tracking | 01:11 |
| fenn | what do you call an anti-mascot? something you keep around just to kick in the ass because it sucks so much | 01:11 |
| kanzure | it's a way to raise interest more than anything I guess | 01:11 |
| kanzure | hm | 01:11 |
| kanzure | scapegoat? | 01:12 |
| kanzure | so, fenn, can you take a look at the Opera session files (.win) and make any suggestions for parsing them? I want to extract information about the tabs that I had open, mostly so that I can go back and try to turn an Opera session into a KDE session and test out 300+ tabs. | 01:17 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/projects/social/sessdb/files/ | 01:18 |
| * fenn looks | 01:20 | |
| fenn | just grep for url's? | 01:21 |
| kanzure | well, some of those URLs could be pages I clicked off from and determined useless | 01:23 |
| kanzure | for example, only the latest links in each of the tabs | 01:23 |
| fenn | how can you tell which url is good and which is bad | 01:23 |
| kanzure | well, I do it by pages | 01:23 |
| kanzure | I don't keep everything I click through :) | 01:23 |
| fenn | i dont see where it keep track of which page in the history is displayed | 01:25 |
| kanzure | it's the last one in the tab | 01:27 |
| kanzure | it keeps track of history per each tab | 01:27 |
| kanzure | a new tab is [1] or [2] or [4] | 01:28 |
| kanzure | and then there's a subsection of history and some other random stuff it seems | 01:28 |
| fenn | yeah i know. i think its just "ini file format" | 01:28 |
| kanzure | oh, I wonder if perl has a module for parsing that | 01:29 |
| fenn | there's a list of url's in the history, so i guess somewhere there would be a variable saying where you're at in the history (otherwise you could just grab the last one in the list) | 01:29 |
| kanzure | http://search.cpan.org/~wadg/Config-IniFiles-2.38/IniFiles.pm | 01:29 |
| fenn | its probably [#history scrollpos list] | 01:33 |
| kanzure | #perl suggests http://search.cpan.org/~bricas/Config-Any-0.12/lib/Config/Any/INI.pm - which gives what looks like a hashref | 01:33 |
| fenn | count=# | 01:33 |
| kanzure | yep | 01:33 |
| kanzure | I was parsing for that earlier tonight | 01:33 |
| kanzure | but my script sucked :) | 01:33 |
| kanzure | so I'm going with an ini parser | 01:33 |
| fenn | only one way to find out - open opera, open a tab, click on some links, press back, save session, look at ini | 01:35 |
| fenn | count= might just be like a checksum | 01:35 |
| kanzure | right, that's what I did | 01:35 |
| kanzure | count is a count of the number of tabs, or URLs in the history | 01:35 |
| kanzure | I remember that much :) | 01:35 |
| kanzure | I wrote an Opera session generator a while back | 01:36 |
| kanzure | so that I could dump a list of URLs | 01:36 |
| fenn | hm. ok, save a tab, then press back and save again. diff the two saved sessions | 01:36 |
| kanzure | and then retrieve it as a session of tabs | 01:36 |
| fenn | oh scrollpos is how far down the page you were scrolled - duh | 01:38 |
| kanzure | heh :) | 01:38 |
| fenn | "current history" maybe? | 01:38 |
| fenn | http://www.villainsource.com/images/bigbrain.jpg | 01:39 |
| kanzure | small pfc | 01:42 |
| kanzure | why the redundancy in storing the count= variable in both the [$xhistory url] and [$xhistory title] sections? | 01:59 |
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| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/projects/browsehack/tabtabtab.html | 02:11 |
| kanzure | added opera_to_konq.pl | 02:11 |
| kanzure | but it actually doesn't open up the URLs, that's the job of an extra shell script or something | 02:11 |
| kanzure | my latest tab session did 324; do I dare test opening up that many konqueror sessions? | 02:12 |
| fenn | do you open new processes or just new windows in one process? | 02:14 |
| kanzure | in Opera, you open up new tabs within the same proc | 02:14 |
| fenn | no i mean, for konq | 02:15 |
| kanzure | hm, checking | 02:15 |
| fenn | btw i think this page would get you slashdotted :P | 02:15 |
| kanzure | really? | 02:15 |
| kanzure | do people care that much? this is really, really ridiculously simple stuff | 02:16 |
| fenn | "extreme power-user browsing with thousands of tabs" | 02:16 |
| kanzure | heh :) | 02:16 |
| fenn | you could say hundreds and not be accused of exaggerating | 02:16 |
| kanzure | I've been known to open up 1k tabs on other computers | 02:16 |
| kanzure | known ... once. | 02:17 |
| kanzure | well, I know that running 'konqueror' from the shell generates a new pid | 02:19 |
| kanzure | however, CTRL+N from an existing konqueror window makes for a new window, but not a new pid | 02:20 |
| fenn | you can open a new window using dcop (its much faster) | 02:21 |
| kanzure | so what's the difference between konqueror -> tab tab tab + CTRL+N tab tab tab on new window, versus all of those tabs in the same konqueror window, versus new konqueror instances for all of them | 02:21 |
| fenn | one is faster and uses less memory, but if it crashes they're all gone | 02:22 |
| kanzure | not if you're using the 'framework script' I'm envisioning (periodic calls to dcop to figure out all URLs in use?) | 02:22 |
| fenn | kde has it set up to load a new instance for some reason | 02:22 |
| kanzure | actually, konqueror has a recovery mechanism | 02:22 |
| kanzure | "Don't need to be, recovery after crashes has been there for a long time. Open Settings->Configure Extensions select Tools and enable Crashes Monitor. Next time Konqueror crashes, open Tools->Crashes (It's a plugins, so you may need to install it from the kdeaddons package)." | 02:23 |
| kanzure | so how do I do this through dcop /me goes to read some docs | 02:25 |
| kanzure | ah, newkonq.sh | 02:25 |
| kanzure | dcop $(dcop konq* | head -1) KonquerorIface createNewWindow "$*" | 02:25 |
| fenn | ya | 02:26 |
| fenn | the dcop konq* | head -1 just gets the name f the first konqueror instance | 02:26 |
| kanzure | weird, when I embed it into perl via `<stuff here>` it spits out some errors | 02:30 |
| kanzure | but when I do it in bash, it's fine | 02:31 |
| kanzure | grr, nevermind | 02:31 |
| fenn | $() is a bashism | 02:32 |
| kanzure | yep, you spotted it | 02:34 |
| kanzure | okay, so it works | 02:34 |
| kanzure | now for saving the session into something usable, opening URLs from anywhere (I'm thinking of a widget at the top of the screen with an address bar / search box). | 02:36 |
| kanzure | in Opera I've been addicted to the easy ability to always press CTRL+T and then whisk off to Google after typing out a quick query + enter | 02:37 |
| fenn | ctrl+t is like a form box for google search? or just new tab that opens to google | 02:37 |
| kanzure | hold on | 02:37 |
| kanzure | CTRL+T is for new tab, actually | 02:38 |
| kanzure | cursor starts at address bar | 02:38 |
| kanzure | but then tab once and you get to the Google search box | 02:38 |
| kanzure | and press enter to submit query | 02:38 |
| fenn | doesnt konqueror do that? | 02:38 |
| kanzure | suprisingly not | 02:38 |
| kanzure | but there is a 'gg: <query><then press enter>" for the address bar | 02:39 |
| kanzure | oh, | 02:39 |
| kanzure | but KDE has WIN-'R', which does the run prompt, so you can type gg: <query> and hit enter | 02:40 |
| kanzure | I guess I could argue that the four extra keys needed there is retarded, but I don't know if anybody's going to listen | 02:40 |
| fenn | ctrl+t opens a new tab here | 02:41 |
| kanzure | sure | 02:41 |
| kanzure | but I just refer to a box that can be devoted to a single function | 02:41 |
| kanzure | typing in a search into my address box whisks me off to some weird Road Runner / Time Warner Cable page | 02:41 |
| kanzure | even though I have **never** configured konq/KDE or any of my boxes with those addresses | 02:41 |
| kanzure | (DNS lookup poison?) | 02:41 |
| fenn | uh.. you sure you're using konqueror and not IE? :) | 02:42 |
| kanzure | yeah :( | 02:42 |
| fenn | mine just says 'malformed url' | 02:43 |
| * fenn tries on ubuntu | 02:43 | |
| fenn | yep same thing | 02:44 |
| fenn | what was the search? | 02:46 |
| kanzure | http://www.packagekit.org | 02:46 |
| kanzure | search is anything | 02:46 |
| kanzure | single nonsense word for example, something that will not be a dot com | 02:47 |
| fenn | feh the last thing i want is a graphical package manager | 02:48 |
| kanzure | "hey, I have a great idea !!!11one let's go in the COMPLETE OPPOSITE DIRECTION! YEAH!" | 02:48 |
| fenn | all the letters are so huge.. | 02:49 |
| fenn | this is pretty good http://www.packagekit.org/img/gpk-eula.png | 02:50 |
| kanzure | HELP HELP HELP. | 02:51 |
| fenn | oh and annoying non-window-manager windows that pop up distractingly with irrelevant info that it should just take care of or queue up until i'm ready | 02:51 |
| fenn | isnt it past your bedtime? | 02:54 |
| kanzure | yes | 02:54 |
| kanzure | I screwed up and took an incorrect dosage at nine | 02:55 |
| kanzure | school tomorrow | 02:55 |
| fenn | your robot overlords will be displeased | 02:55 |
| kanzure | they are deactived. | 02:55 |
| kanzure | perhaps you're right. g'night | 02:57 |
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| Biopunk | hello hi | 17:41 |
| kanzure | Hi Biopunk. | 17:42 |
| kanzure | Today I'd like to point out the recent changes page. | 17:42 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Special:Recentchanges | 17:42 |
| kanzure | Note the time indices. | 17:42 |
| Biopunk | looks productive | 17:55 |
| kanzure | http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/HiBlog/wp-content/uploads/PSP_008579_9020_descent.jpg | 18:12 |
| Biopunk | it looks like it's heading for the crater | 18:15 |
| Biopunk | good pic | 18:15 |
| Biopunk | that's a big fucking crater | 18:21 |
| kanzure | :) | 18:24 |
| Biopunk | ( News anchor talks about ADD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2WWrOe84TY ) | 19:09 |
| kanzure | Synopsis? | 19:10 |
| kanzure | I'm doing something at the moment, but I'll watch if it's saying something interesting | 19:10 |
| Biopunk | it's a blooper... he gets lost while talking about it | 19:14 |
| kanzure | heh | 19:23 |
| kanzure | nicotine alternatives apparently 'help' ADHD via modulation of the visual cortex | 19:24 |
| Biopunk | what does visual the visual cortex have to do with ADHD and how can nicotine modulate the visual cortex? | 19:27 |
| Biopunk | heh.. getting tired | 19:27 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Sustained_attention has that at the bottom | 19:51 |
| Biopunk | thanks.. I can't read it right now | 19:58 |
| Biopunk | (stumbled on autoreceptor) | 19:58 |
| kanzure | I felt very much at home when I was on two workstations at once earlier today. I got so much done ... | 20:14 |
| Biopunk | a poor mans utility cloud | 20:19 |
| Biopunk | ;) | 20:19 |
| Biopunk | time to sleep | 20:19 |
| Biopunk | cu | 20:20 |
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| fenn | that picture is really cool | 22:38 |
| kanzure | http://xmonad.org/ | 22:40 |
| kanzure | http://xmonad.org/xmonad-docs/xmonad-contrib/XMonad-Layout-Tabbed.html | 22:42 |
| fenn | bleh | 22:43 |
| fenn | reminds me of ratpoison | 22:44 |
| kanzure | why bleh? | 22:44 |
| kanzure | hm | 22:45 |
| fenn | haskell | 22:45 |
| * kanzure has little experience with ratpoison | 22:45 | |
| kanzure | but it's all scripted, which is interesting (or not) | 22:45 |
| fenn | i'm not saying haskell is bad, but i can't just look at it and see what it does | 22:45 |
| kanzure | I know KDE suffers from bloat, but then interpreted WMs? bad idea methinks | 22:45 |
| fenn | nah | 22:45 |
| kanzure | hum. really? | 22:45 |
| fenn | kde bloat is due to 'code reuse' | 22:46 |
| kanzure | giant OOP | 22:46 |
| fenn | also i have emotional bias against haskell because they use math words/symbols | 22:47 |
| fenn | using single letters for everything, that pisses me off | 22:52 |
| fenn | and how do you type "≡"? | 22:53 |
| kanzure | hm? | 22:54 |
| kanzure | type what? | 22:54 |
| kanzure | is that an equal-sign with an extra bar? | 22:54 |
| fenn | yeah i'm trying to figure out wtf a 'monad' is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monad_(functional_programming) | 22:54 |
| fenn | the symbol shows up in some of their example code | 22:55 |
| Vedestin | the congruent symbol? | 23:16 |
| kanzure | no, that's two tildes stacked on top of each other | 23:17 |
| Vedestin | not when i did geometry | 23:18 |
| Vedestin | you're talking about approximately equal to, by the sounds of it | 23:18 |
| kanzure | hm | 23:18 |
| Vedestin | know what i'm talking about? | 23:19 |
| Vedestin | i don't program so it might be different for you | 23:19 |
| kanzure | http://westallen.typepad.com/idealawg/2008/05/coaching-and-co.html Self-directed neuroplasticity | 23:24 |
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