2008-06-11.log

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wrldpcHas the AI already been created?00:20
wrldpcThat's the question I think we should all be asking ourselves.00:20
wrldpcheh00:20
wrldpcOur apprehension of time could be skewed ... who the f knows.00:20
wrldpcDo we have free will or not.  If we do, when do we and to what extent?00:21
wrldpcNMD00:21
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facefacekanzure: what do you know about bacterial genetic regulatory elements?02:10
facefaceOscillators are pretty common in developmental genetics also (think drosophila).02:11
facefaceThings like the lambda phage operon perform robust switching opperations.02:11
facefaceAlso, Dennis Bray 'moleculles as computational elements'.02:12
facefacekanzure: basically my point is - bacteria compute ... all the time. Slime mould computes. life is computation ... you shouldn't need to hack mol-bio too deeply to get computation, you just need to do some rewireing and design with what components you already have.02:13
facefaceHave you read the paper by uri alon?02:13
faceface(network motifs).02:13
facefacehttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/763039602:21
facefacehttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1807742402:22
facefacehttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1800427602:22
facefacehttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1453038802:23
facefaceand last but not least http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1239959002:25
facefacethe first and the last are the ones I was looking for, those in between just looked relevant and interesting to 'computation using genetic regulatory motifs'.02:26
facefaceshout if you need PDFs02:27
faceface"To uncover their structural design principles, we defined "network motifs," patterns of interconnections occurring in complex networks at numbers that are significantly higher than those in randomized networks. We found such motifs in networks from biochemistry, neurobiology, ecology, and engineering."02:27
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pupnik_neat08:50
facefacepupnik_: I think so yes ;-)09:07
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kanzureprocto: Yes, I understand that epistemiological viewpoint and suggest you read some Jef Allbright through the extropian archives.10:26
kanzureDan: Yes, I am familiar with bacterial GRNs, computation-through-enzymes, and so on.10:26
kanzureHowever, we want to shred the damn cells.10:26
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faceface /msg kanzure "what does that change?"11:07
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kanzurehttp://sharescienceideas.wikispaces.com/12:07
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nshshould be renamed shareuglyhtmlideas.wikispaces.com16:08
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kanzureHey.17:18
cis-action_hey17:49
Splicerhey18:20
kanzureSo. :)18:23
Splicerfact18:28
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* kanzure wants to figure out how to organize http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Sustained_attention21:13
* kanzure needs some recent bioinformatics papers.22:31
kanzureStalking mode on. solj grumpish  ftehw  whaley phuor sunsean hieu al- rikkimaru 22:39
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Splicer?23:06
kanzureJust finding the local university guys that use freenode.23:06
Splicerthose are usernames? O_o23:07
kanzureYes.23:07
Splicermine is better23:07
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percent_Good evening.23:28
kanzureGood evening, percent_.23:29
percent_How are you? *tips hat*23:30
kanzureJolly, quite jolly.23:30
percent_How illegal is it to send ecoli through the mail?23:30
kanzureI think it would be about as illegal as sending a blade of grass.23:30
kanzureHowever, the truth is probably much worse.23:31
percent_If I make pure samples, I'd give them to other biohackers.23:31
kanzureCall them researchers.23:31
percent_After all, it's almost free.23:31
percent_or i could just order an e coli sample23:33
percent_Where's the best place to order them?23:37
kanzureI'm not quite sure. I need to assemble a list.23:38
kanzureThere's a few companies that sell cultures like that.23:38
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percent_So let's talk about bioinformatics software23:55

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