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| kanzure | fenn lives? | 07:38 |
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| faceface | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7179060.stm | 08:31 |
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| kanzure | Any matlab users? | 10:55 |
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| faceface | I use R | 11:02 |
| faceface | is that matlab like? | 11:02 |
| procto | not really | 11:03 |
| procto | gnu octave is closer, as far as free stuff goes | 11:03 |
| kanzure | I'm willing to use octave, but I would really like a GUI | 11:05 |
| kanzure | I remember using octave a few months ago, it didn't look functional | 11:06 |
| kanzure | I might as well just have opened up vim and begin writing out my own python | 11:06 |
| kanzure | erm, perl | 11:06 |
| kanzure | I'm still a perl > python guy. | 11:06 |
| faceface | kanzure: there are ppl on #bioinformatics who use octave | 11:06 |
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| faceface | perl is nice | 11:08 |
| kanzure | I agree. | 11:09 |
| kanzure | I'm going to be doing some differential equations for a model, so I want to see what sort of visualizations and solvers I can come up with. | 11:09 |
| kanzure | Actually, I'm not even sure why I really need a solver, I just want to adjust some constants and some other variables and see how that changes the maxima/minima. | 11:09 |
| faceface | browsign a linux distro package manager could be interesting | 11:09 |
| kanzure | http://www.math.uic.edu/~hanson/Octave/OctaveODE-EG.html | 11:09 |
| kanzure | faceface: Hm? | 11:10 |
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| kanzure | http://www.johnlapeyre.com/pdl/pdldoc/newbook/ Scientific programming in perl | 11:41 |
| kanzure | Aha. | 11:41 |
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| ybit | kanzure, i agree, it takes way too long to mass upload bookmarks to del.icio.us | 15:10 |
| ybit | it almost brought my computer to a halt way back when | 15:11 |
| ybit | never tried it again | 15:11 |
| ybit | the comp. was certainly unusable for quite some time | 15:11 |
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| kanzure | Heh. | 16:10 |
| kanzure | My point. :) | 16:10 |
| kanzure | fenn: They are complaining about the base pairing probabilities with the address space. | 17:59 |
| kanzure | fenn: so they are coming up with these crazy models for doing all sorts of new biochemistry with things that aren't really proven yet | 17:59 |
| kanzure | fenn: I was wondering if you might remember what the hell I was thinking when I was planning xxDNA | 17:59 |
| kanzure | I thought we solved those problems? | 17:59 |
| kanzure | another issue is that they are afraid that it all equilibriates to the same state, so there can't be separate components running on their own | 18:00 |
| kanzure | I'm pretty sure this is wrong | 18:00 |
| kanzure | fenn: I also came up with the selection experiments for the retarded polymerase for your writozyme | 18:00 |
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| wrldpc | anyone played fold.it? | 20:58 |
| wrldpc | http://fold.it/portal/adobe_main | 20:58 |
| wrldpc | I need to learn perl. | 20:59 |
| kanzure | http://perl.org/ | 21:05 |
| kanzure | http://search.cpan.org/ | 21:05 |
| kanzure | Familiarize yourself with 'perldoc perltut'. | 21:05 |
| kanzure | To solve the problems with the amorphous computing, we're going to write a general software framework to test out some different ideas on the constraints of kinetics and so on, but I still think that we had something going. We just need some numbers on the likelihood of nucleic binding, and seeing if that's enough to do what we want. | 21:15 |
| Splicer | i played it(fold.it)... I couldn't really get along with the GUI... I don't know how useful it actually is | 21:29 |
| kanzure | You know, fold.it really makes sense in light of the compartmentalized evolution hypotheses of protein folding, and then the reverse of that evolutionary encoding (having everybody play around) is an interesting reverse attempt. | 21:31 |
| Splicer | it is etheitcally pleasing | 21:33 |
| Splicer | *esthetically | 21:33 |
| fenn | wrldpc: perl is stupid. it's only good for regular expressions, which are now available in every language | 21:47 |
| wrldpc | heh | 21:49 |
| kanzure | perl makes your eyes bleed and rot in their sockets | 22:06 |
| kanzure | fenn: So I was pacing, and I came ot the conclusion that the amorphous computing bullshit problems are only because I've forgotten that it's the same situation that necessitated SKDB in the first place. | 22:06 |
| kanzure | http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=machining+database | 22:19 |
| kanzure | 'A study of a proprietary computerized technological machining performance database | 22:20 |
| kanzure | EJA Armarego, D Ostafiev - 8th Int. Manufacturing Conference, 1998' | 22:20 |
| kanzure | 'distributed network manufacturing prototype system (DNMPS)' | 22:21 |
| fenn | the nist virtual manufacturing stuff looks a lot like what i was thinking http://www.cs.umd.edu/~nau/vm2/ | 22:24 |
| fenn | specifically the part "Automated Redesign for Improving Manufacturability" | 22:24 |
| kanzure | http://www.design.caltech.edu/Research/Publications/02l.pdf "Efficient Automatic Engineering Design Synthesis via Evolutionary | 22:31 |
| kanzure | Exploration" | 22:31 |
| kanzure | yes, I've emailed Nau | 22:31 |
| kanzure | he's hooking me up with some other guys (apparently) | 22:31 |
| kanzure | based off of that last paper, wget -m -r http://www.design.caltech.edu/Research/Publications/ might not be a bad idea | 22:32 |
| kanzure | fenn: here's an idea | 22:36 |
| kanzure | what if you find one of the most basic articles, and then follow the chain of publications | 22:37 |
| kanzure | i.e. the 'cited by' link | 22:37 |
| kanzure | then try traveling via (1) longest intervals between publications that cite the last one, or (2) maximizing the number of publications in a time interval, or some sort. | 22:37 |
| kanzure | "One of the major difficulties in extracting machining features is the lack of a systematic methodology to generate alternative ways of manufacturing a machined part." | 22:59 |
| kanzure | fenn: try the abstract to 'Modeling and specifications of dynamic agents in fractal manufacturing systems' | 23:04 |
| kanzure | [PDF] A Repository of Designs for Process and Assembly Planning - all 6 versions » | 23:18 |
| kanzure | WC Regli, DM Gaines - Urbana - gicl.cs.drexel.edu | 23:18 |
| kanzure | Abstract This paper provides an introduction to the Design, Planning and | 23:18 |
| kanzure | Assembly Repository available through the National Institute of Standards and | 23:18 |
| kanzure | Technology (NIST). The goal of the Repository is to provide a publicly ... | 23:18 |
| kanzure | http://gicl.cs.drexel.edu/wiki-data/images/6/63/Repos_cad.pdf | 23:18 |
| kanzure | Oh, it's Regli. | 23:19 |
| kanzure | That's who Nau sent me to. | 23:19 |
| kanzure | 23:25 | |
| kanzure | [PDF] Towards a Universal Knowledge Database for Design Automation | 23:25 |
| kanzure | H Lipson, NP Suh - Proceeding of ICAD2000, First International Conference on …, 2000 - axiomaticdesign.com | 23:25 |
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