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| * kanzure grins. | 00:45 | |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/utorientation2008/ | 00:45 |
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| kanzure | I've found the loop hole that makes it a legal requirement to allow me to do a dual degree / double major. | 00:45 |
| fenn | i dont think manufacturing design is an undergrad program | 00:59 |
| kanzure | confirmed by the director in his announcement in may | 01:00 |
| kanzure | so | 01:00 |
| kanzure | :) | 01:00 |
| fenn | "There are nine areas of research" doesnt mean "undergrad program" | 01:01 |
| kanzure | not director, 'chairman' | 01:02 |
| kanzure | oops | 01:02 |
| fenn | anyway, he's just copy/pasting the department page | 01:03 |
| kanzure | http://www.me.utexas.edu/undergrad/areas.php | 01:03 |
| kanzure | manufacturing & design is listed on that page :-/ | 01:04 |
| kanzure | 'Operations Research & Industrial Engineering' would be interesting, but I bet it's more "Operations Research for already existing systems oh my god where are the profit margins" | 01:04 |
| fenn | its actually more like 'how to build a factory' stuff | 01:05 |
| kanzure | oh? | 01:06 |
| fenn | Industrial Engineering is concerned with the design, improvement, and installation of integrated systems of persons, material, and equipment. | 01:06 |
| * kanzure is still wondering how the hell these people come up with knowledge on manufacturing processes with so much of the knowledge being proprietary | 01:06 | |
| kanzure | industry connections, I guess | 01:07 |
| fenn | because industry doesnt come up with new processes | 01:07 |
| fenn | it all starts in academia, pretty much | 01:08 |
| fenn | or at least gets published in scientific journals if not | 01:08 |
| * kanzure randomly selects a manufactured object in his room | 01:09 | |
| kanzure | gimme the cites | 01:09 |
| kanzure | Okay. I need some sleep. There's a few things coming together from a couple different directions, | 01:09 |
| kanzure | the transhuman guys have finally realized they need a database :-) | 01:09 |
| fenn | wta? | 01:10 |
| fenn | or tt? | 01:10 |
| kanzure | wta somewhat, but actually there's some initative from Max More here in Austin | 01:10 |
| kanzure | both agree, but Max is going to be more receptive to a process-oriented system | 01:10 |
| kanzure | whereas wta just wants a plain old wiki | 01:10 |
| kanzure | (to say that it's done something) | 01:10 |
| fenn | meh, wta can piss off for all i care | 01:10 |
| kanzure | I am still on the wta website update team, but I don't know what I can do at most | 01:11 |
| kanzure | I don't actually know what I would do with an organizing implied to be just /ahead/ of new research and so on | 01:11 |
| kanzure | this stuff is obviously lagging by decades | 01:11 |
| kanzure | and so would I, I suspect | 01:11 |
| kanzure | so how would you make an organization to do some good in that area, while not relying on being kept up to date on the tip-top of tech, without actually failing in your mission | 01:12 |
| kanzure | hard question :) | 01:12 |
| kanzure | Also, the diybio guys might be interested in it, probably not though | 01:12 |
| fenn | well, keeping an accessible overview of the state of the art of important technologies is a good starting point | 01:12 |
| kanzure | they all want to use delicious | 01:12 |
| kanzure | fenn: or just make it up-propagating | 01:13 |
| fenn | delicious == vendor lock in | 01:13 |
| kanzure | yes | 01:13 |
| kanzure | they don't understand that | 01:13 |
| kanzure | and it's weird | 01:13 |
| fenn | how can you not understand that | 01:13 |
| kanzure | these guys are supposedly the comp sci / bio crossovers | 01:13 |
| kanzure | so if anything they should have super powers in understanding this | 01:13 |
| kanzure | I tried to explain it in terms of computational efficiency | 01:13 |
| kanzure | "wah, write a spider" | 01:13 |
| kanzure | "WTF mate, you had the info in the first place" | 01:13 |
| kanzure | also, I may or may not be getting some interested eyes from IEEE. Probably not. but. | 01:14 |
| fenn | when's noserub supposed to be workable/ | 01:14 |
| kanzure | bleh | 01:14 |
| kanzure | you and I could both write something more functional in under 20 minutes | 01:15 |
| fenn | heh | 01:15 |
| kanzure | thttpd/perl | 01:16 |
| fenn | "open source, dude." | 01:16 |
| kanzure | http://www.acme.com/software/thttpd/notes.html | 01:16 |
| fenn | gets me every time | 01:16 |
| kanzure | hm? | 01:16 |
| kanzure | I think what noserub is lacking is the actual file specs | 01:17 |
| kanzure | not sure, I'm clicking around and not finding anything | 01:17 |
| kanzure | http://foaf-project.org/ might be of assistance | 01:17 |
| kanzure | just need to find a class-implementor in some scripting language or something | 01:17 |
| kanzure | and then pass that through a cgi gateway (yuck?) | 01:17 |
| fenn | yeah noserub should just be something like DNS propagation | 01:18 |
| kanzure | but noserub does 'everyone has apache' - what about the old ideas from freenet? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenet | 01:18 |
| kanzure | actually | 01:18 |
| kanzure | everyone-has-apache is a good start | 01:18 |
| fenn | the old freenet was a very good design.. the new darknet stuff makes it unusable though | 01:18 |
| kanzure | I'd be okay with that | 01:18 |
| fenn | no, protocol should have nothing to do with a specific implementation | 01:19 |
| kanzure | hm? | 01:19 |
| kanzure | sure | 01:19 |
| kanzure | but I don't see how I implied that | 01:19 |
| kanzure | (I mean, what you are disagreeing with) | 01:19 |
| fenn | "everyone-has-apache is a good start" | 01:19 |
| fenn | then apache becomes the de-facto standard | 01:20 |
| kanzure | meh, apache has modules for new protocol addition | 01:20 |
| kanzure | well | 01:20 |
| kanzure | is that a good way to add protocols to a system? | 01:20 |
| fenn | and any attempts to change things are met with 'wah, it'll break apache' | 01:20 |
| kanzure | has anybody ever questioned apache's module usage? | 01:20 |
| kanzure | and why isn't my apache config file in python yet? | 01:20 |
| kanzure | or perl? | 01:20 |
| fenn | modules are back-end stuff | 01:20 |
| fenn | because it's in apache language :) | 01:20 |
| kanzure | mewonders how much bloat is in apache | 01:20 |
| fenn | enough :) | 01:21 |
| kanzure | heh | 01:21 |
| kanzure | okay, g'night | 01:21 |
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| ybit | wrldpc: slightly late, but... i was planning on trying fold.it but it isn't for linux | 13:30 |
| ybit | i could run it on a VM, but it's probably not worth the effort | 13:30 |
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| wrldpc | ybit: I thought there was a Linux distro. Odd. | 19:37 |
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