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| kanzure | oh, it's an actual wheel | 00:36 |
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| kanzure | revolving repositories? | 00:36 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology_of_the_Song_Dynasty#Revolving_repositories | 00:36 |
| kanzure | now if only they included revision control | 00:37 |
| kanzure | I like the bookwheel. | 00:38 |
| kanzure | screw bootstrapping | 00:39 |
| kanzure | I'll just go build the gene expression analysis machine for human brain slices | 00:39 |
| kanzure | that's basically the information I need for the attention augmentation system | 00:40 |
| kanzure | and then from there everything seemingly falls into place | 00:40 |
| kanzure | 'We are proposing placing the finished R2D2 droid in an "arena" and | 00:43 |
| kanzure | allowing folks to drive the droid and control all its functions (sounds, | 00:43 |
| kanzure | lights, movements) via remote-control. | 00:43 |
| kanzure | The issue we're trying to figure out now is how do we make it so the | 00:43 |
| kanzure | droid can "sense" the edges of its "enclosure" and not go "out of | 00:43 |
| kanzure | bounds" when being driven by the "guest driver". The idea would be to | 00:43 |
| kanzure | "disconnect" remote control from the driver long enough to reorient the | 00:43 |
| kanzure | droid to point away from the arena barrier, then give control back.' | 00:43 |
| kanzure | http://www.notepad.org/Drive-a-Droid6b.pdf | 00:43 |
| kanzure | solved it | 00:53 |
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| ybit | this is a test message | 01:23 |
| kanzure | why | 01:28 |
| * kanzure is downloading the human cortex | 02:01 | |
| * willPow3r hopes that doesn't involve decapitation | 02:01 | |
| kanzure | You're next. | 02:02 |
| willPow3r | its a good thing you don't know that i live in san diego then | 02:02 |
| kanzure | maybe I'll just punch you through the monitor :) | 02:18 |
| kanzure | brain still downloading | 02:18 |
| kanzure | it's a lot of XML data | 02:18 |
| kanzure | conveniently referenced to brain region | 02:18 |
| kanzure | with respect to the gene IDs out there on the net | 02:19 |
| willPow3r | the brain uses xml for memory storage? | 02:26 |
| kanzure | apparently :) | 02:33 |
| willPow3r | good thing it's not proprietary | 02:35 |
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| kanzure | colorimetric in situ hybridization | 02:48 |
| kanzure | I don't know how they are getting regional information out of this. | 02:48 |
| kanzure | It's not in the XML. But it appears on the HTML docs. | 02:48 |
| kanzure | guess I'll have to fetch the specimen metadata too | 02:50 |
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| kanzure | Looks like the whole of the geek community is rejoicing about Gates' leaving. | 09:36 |
| kanzure | woah, the laptop's processor is running at 87 degrees celsius? | 12:16 |
| kanzure | http://humancortex.alleninstitute.org/has/siv?imageId=79479109 <--- the human cortex is on rails | 12:41 |
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| kanzure | http://www.cdc.gov/od/ohs/Ergonomics/compergo.htm funny how computers qualify as a source of disease at the CDC. | 12:52 |
| kanzure | http://neurocommons.org | 13:35 |
| kanzure | fenn: http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/NOTE-hcls-kb-20080604/ | 13:41 |
| nsh | looks interesting (neurocommons) | 13:42 |
| nsh | i don't click w3c links :-) | 13:43 |
| kanzure | then at least click this | 13:43 |
| kanzure | http://hcls.deri.ie/hcls_demo.html | 13:43 |
| kanzure | 'The following queries access a SPARQL endpoint hosted at DERI. The underlying triplestore contains over 325 million RDF triples of biomedical information. The information covers a large array of biomedical knowledge: from basic molecular biology over literature annotation up to anatomy and physiology.' | 13:43 |
| nsh | mmmm | 13:47 |
| nsh | cool! | 13:47 |
| kanzure | Just got an email from someone signed "Edwin Wise, Rogue Technologist" | 13:50 |
| nsh | a least he wasn't a rouge technologist | 13:51 |
| nsh | selling you musical tales of romance and blusher | 13:51 |
| ybit | did anyone see this? | 15:01 |
| ybit | http://www.technologyreview.com/Biotech/21042/?a=f | 15:01 |
| * nsh hadn't; thanks | 15:06 | |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/shots/2008-07-08.png | 15:21 |
| kanzure | ybit: What is it? | 15:21 |
| kanzure | yes | 15:21 |
| kanzure | wlrdpc blogged it and yelped about it in here a few weeks ago | 15:21 |
| kanzure | this might be a different one | 15:22 |
| kanzure | anyway, I'm working off of http://humancortex.alleninstitute.org/ right now | 15:22 |
| kanzure | I'm stealing most of their data | 15:22 |
| kanzure | and cooking up something pretty fancy ;-) | 15:22 |
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| kanzure | fenn: CPAN uses YAML apparently. | 15:58 |
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| kanzure | interesting fellow: http://www.alleninstitute.org/content/paul_wohnoutka.htm | 17:30 |
| kanzure | http://www.labautomation.org/journal/archives/jala12.6.cfm | 17:32 |
| kanzure | http://www.markboguski.net/neurogenomics.htm <-- the guy who found Paul | 17:34 |
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| kanzure | Beep. | 18:30 |
| * nsh reads about the simulation argument | 18:33 | |
| * fenn reads about the hanford nuclear site | 18:39 | |
| * nsh dpesnmhanford | 18:43 | |
| nsh | *doesn't like the sound of that | 18:43 |
| kanzure | http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/Banff2007Demo?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Banff2007Part2.pdf | 18:45 |
| kanzure | you want to click it | 18:45 |
| nsh | During the Cold War, the project was expanded to include nine nuclear reactors and five massive plutonium processing complexes, which produced plutonium for most of the 60,000 weapons in the U.S. nuclear arsenal.[2][3] | 18:45 |
| nsh | :-/ | 18:45 |
| nsh | hmmm | 18:46 |
| kanzure | I am a moron. | 18:47 |
| kanzure | Who are these Science Commons guys? | 18:47 |
| nsh | researchers that have been attracted to the project? | 18:50 |
| nsh | oh, science commons is different to scientific commons | 18:51 |
| kanzure | what the hell? they also run creativecommons.org | 18:51 |
| nsh | well, it's a project of creative commons | 18:52 |
| nsh | which is, by now, a large movement | 18:52 |
| nsh | probably getting close to fsf proportions | 18:52 |
| kanzure | interesting | 18:52 |
| kanzure | I thought 'creative commons' existed before the fsf | 18:52 |
| nsh | nah, less than five years old, i think | 18:55 |
| nsh | "The initial set of Creative Commons licenses was published on December 16, 2002.[5] | 18:56 |
| nsh | Creative Commons was officially launched in 2001 | 18:56 |
| nsh | -WP | 18:56 |
| kanzure | huh. | 18:56 |
| kanzure | I never actually looked into it | 18:56 |
| kanzure | I thought it was very similar to "public domain" | 18:56 |
| nsh | public-domain with teeth | 18:57 |
| * nsh is past caring about copyright law though | 18:57 | |
| kanzure | yes, but take a look, they | 18:57 |
| kanzure | they have RDF/XML metadata for 'works' | 18:57 |
| kanzure | so that when those who do care about licensing, | 18:57 |
| kanzure | *licensing throw up this 'license' | 18:58 |
| kanzure | what they are really doing is throwing up metadata | 18:58 |
| kanzure | haha, it's a slick move | 18:58 |
| kanzure | I'm wondering if sciencecommons.org is the real deal | 18:59 |
| kanzure | they do mention the acceleration of science via automation | 18:59 |
| kanzure | however, all of this semantic metadata | 18:59 |
| kanzure | falls under the same arguments that we were mentioning in here a few months ago, I think | 18:59 |
| kanzure | in that they aren't exactly integrated with http://expo.sf.net/ although they certainly should be | 18:59 |
| kanzure | I'd prefer it if it were all YAML and code floating around instead of just raw data that requires a human to implement each time they come across it | 19:00 |
| kanzure | and therefore it sucks | 19:00 |
| * kanzure feels better | 19:00 | |
| nsh | that's the problem with the internet-as-ecosystem | 19:00 |
| nsh | it's inherently impossible while there continues to be "too much space" | 19:00 |
| kanzure | what ? | 19:00 |
| kanzure | why is it impossible? | 19:00 |
| nsh | there is no a priori requirement of successfull interaction | 19:00 |
| kanzure | look, when you make a new SQL table, | 19:00 |
| kanzure | upload the SQL used to create it, damn it | 19:01 |
| nsh | when everything is able to work in isolation | 19:01 |
| kanzure | and when you have a database, give me read access to the daemon, you jerk | 19:01 |
| * nsh nods | 19:01 | |
| nsh | but there's no requirement for these things | 19:01 |
| kanzure | doesn't matter | 19:01 |
| nsh | in meatspace, everything is forced to interact | 19:01 |
| kanzure | it can be implemented very easily in the tools | 19:01 |
| nsh | there's no comparmentalisation outside of geology | 19:01 |
| kanzure | ruby on rails lets you 'scaffold' the exported structure of a mysql (and many other forms of) table | 19:02 |
| kanzure | just an example off the top of my head | 19:02 |
| kanzure | but in general those structures should be an 'object' | 19:02 |
| kanzure | i.e., a library module that you can modprobe | 19:02 |
| kanzure | obviously you don't need it in your kernel space | 19:02 |
| kanzure | you need it in userspace | 19:02 |
| kanzure | but the modprobe illustration works ;-) | 19:03 |
| * nsh checks for running tap | 19:03 | |
| kanzure | ? | 19:03 |
| nsh | sorry, really annoying plumbing in this apartment | 19:03 |
| nsh | so yeah, modularity should be implicit | 19:04 |
| kanzure | I've found their base of operations, of sorts, | 19:05 |
| kanzure | and it's at the w3's mailing lists | 19:05 |
| kanzure | so my ideas there might be unwelcomed | 19:05 |
| nsh | whose? | 19:05 |
| kanzure | w3c's | 19:05 |
| nsh | oh, good luck | 19:06 |
| kanzure | http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-semweb-lifesci/ | 19:06 |
| kanzure | are they stubborn? | 19:06 |
| nsh | people who sit on commitees are the type of people who get asked to sit on commitees | 19:06 |
| * nsh shrugs | 19:06 | |
| nsh | not people i trust to build the future | 19:07 |
| nsh | sure, ten years ago | 19:07 |
| nsh | when it was all hackers | 19:07 |
| kanzure | these are the same people who did the brain map | 19:07 |
| * nsh nods | 19:07 | |
| nsh | i think my prejudice does not cover the people on this list | 19:07 |
| nsh | they are just using the tools | 19:07 |
| kanzure | "JOIN: Bryan Bishop. Hi. Here's my idea to make all of this better. kthnxbai" | 19:08 |
| nsh | go for it | 19:08 |
| nsh | mailing lists annoy me :-/ | 19:09 |
| nsh | too much clicking | 19:09 |
| kanzure | why's that? | 19:09 |
| nsh | clicking is the bane of my internet experience | 19:09 |
| kanzure | uh | 19:09 |
| kanzure | have you tried a mail client | 19:09 |
| * nsh smiles | 19:10 | |
| kanzure | ? | 19:10 |
| kanzure | I've reduced it down to one click per message | 19:10 |
| nsh | i don't think this software allows one to download the archive | 19:10 |
| kanzure | http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-semweb-lifesci/mboxes/ | 19:11 |
| nsh | protected | 19:11 |
| kanzure | uhh | 19:11 |
| * nsh has no W3C account | 19:12 | |
| kanzure | why the hell would there even be W3C accounts | 19:12 |
| kanzure | this sucks | 19:12 |
| nsh | beauorocracy | 19:13 |
| nsh | however it's spelt :-) | 19:13 |
| nsh | bureaucracy | 19:13 |
| * nsh hates french words | 19:13 | |
| Splicer | they should be boycotted... oops | 19:19 |
| * nsh chuckles | 19:20 | |
| nsh | boycott, apparantly, is from an Irish name | 19:21 |
| nsh | 1880, from Irish Land League ostracism of Capt. Charles C. Boycott (1832-1897) land agent of Lough-Mask in County Mayo, who refused to lower rents for his tenant farmers. Quickly adopted by newspapers in languages as far afield as Japanese (boikotto). The family name is from a place in England. | 19:21 |
| nsh | cott as a place name suffix may well be normal, though | 19:21 |
| nsh | *norman | 19:21 |
| nsh | nope, saxon | 19:22 |
| nsh | from which, i assume, we get the word "cottage" | 19:22 |
| Splicer | didn't know | 19:24 |
| Splicer | are you finish or staying there? | 19:24 |
| Splicer | *finnish | 19:24 |
| nsh | yes. | 19:25 |
| nsh | (i have dual(british-finnish)nationality and have just completed voluntary work as national service) | 19:26 |
| Splicer | you mean like conscription? | 19:26 |
| nsh | indeed | 19:26 |
| Splicer | hehe | 19:26 |
| Splicer | dragsvik or some other place? | 19:27 |
| nsh | i was conscripted to the finnish defense forces in 2004 (technically, it was voluntary; you haven't met my mother though) | 19:27 |
| nsh | after going awol for a few years, i decided to come back and do civilian service | 19:27 |
| nsh | which lead to my current job, in a genetic lab | 19:27 |
| nsh | *genetics | 19:27 |
| nsh | dragsvik doesn't sound very finnish :-) | 19:27 |
| Splicer | it's the swedish regiment... you probably know | 19:28 |
| Splicer | i changed nationalities when I started getting papers | 19:28 |
| Splicer | so I did that stuff in sweden | 19:29 |
| nsh | ah, cool | 19:29 |
| nsh | yeah, your uniforms were funnier-looking than ours, iirc | 19:30 |
| Splicer | yeah.. that was why | 19:30 |
| Splicer | right now the finns are kindof the de facto swedish defence | 19:31 |
| nsh | unfortunate geography in that regard :-) | 19:32 |
| nsh | http://blog.karppinen.fi/2008/07/apple-just-gave-out-my-apple-i.html | 19:32 |
| nsh | ^ ouch pwnt | 19:33 |
| Splicer | classic hacking | 19:34 |
| kanzure | nsh: Hm. | 23:03 |
| kanzure | http://swhack.com/logs/2007-05-06 | 23:03 |
| kanzure | it mentions irc.w3.org, which I just /connected to | 23:03 |
| kanzure | coincidence? :) | 23:03 |
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