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| Splicer | they usually are | 00:35 |
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| procto | folks I have seen the future | 00:38 |
| procto | spent tonight at the fablab in boston | 00:38 |
| procto | lasering shit | 00:38 |
| procto | laser cutters.... i want one in every room of my house | 00:39 |
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| kanzure_ | procto: fablab flunked in Austin. | 01:29 |
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| kanzure_ | What controls the irssi blinkenthinger blink rate? It looks abnormally high. | 03:36 |
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| fenn | http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/chinamil_07_09/chinamil8.jpg | 03:53 |
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| procto_ | kanzure_: flunked? | 05:07 |
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| kanzure_ | Hey Jacco. | 11:01 |
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| kanzure | fenn: did you see the javascript-based interface to graphviz and dia? | 12:46 |
| kanzure | it looked like an interactive graphing utility that could be used for suckering people into making up models for skdb | 12:46 |
| kanzure | especially if we just tie it in to generating some .skdb files or some such | 12:46 |
| kanzure | I wonder if there's a dia <=> yaml conversion utility | 12:47 |
| kanzure | ah, we can just have a dia variable in the metadata for relationships perhaps | 12:47 |
| fenn | generating graphviz commands is fairly easy i think | 12:50 |
| kanzure | h2i: Would you want to play around with the moupsemap thing? | 12:50 |
| kanzure | probably | 12:50 |
| kanzure | I remember the dia syntax being simple enough | 12:50 |
| kanzure | something like, quite literally "thinger1 => thinger2" showing directionality | 12:50 |
| fenn | i think you are thinking of something else, not dia? | 12:51 |
| kanzure | oh, maybe? | 12:51 |
| fenn | graphviz syntax is fairly simple (for simple diagrams) | 12:51 |
| fenn | dia seems to use some binary format | 12:52 |
| kanzure | oops | 12:53 |
| kanzure | bad memory then | 12:53 |
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| Andares | Hey kanzure. | 13:01 |
| kanzure | Hi Andares. | 13:02 |
| Andares | Passaged some hNPs today. ;) | 13:02 |
| Andares | It was only 1:1 but still fun. | 13:02 |
| Andares | Hope they didn't get infected though.. | 13:02 |
| kanzure | huh, the SVG + js options look pretty easy http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/x-svgint/#Scripting (I'm just guessing on the anchor name) | 13:05 |
| Andares | js = javascript? | 13:06 |
| kanzure | yes, sorry | 13:06 |
| kanzure | I usually just spell it out since it's retarded | 13:06 |
| Andares | heh | 13:06 |
| kanzure | but the extension name is .js so :) | 13:06 |
| Andares | I dislike js | 13:06 |
| Andares | with a passion. | 13:06 |
| kanzure | Me too. I don't know why I'm doing this. | 13:06 |
| Andares | The same kind of feeling when you wake up in the morning in a random bed with stuff written in permanent ink on your forehead :p | 13:11 |
| Andares | And alcohol and strange pills strewn about. | 13:11 |
| Democritus | hmm clothing optional party - think i will pass on this one | 13:13 |
| Democritus | goto a naked party or stay home and code | 13:13 |
| kanzure_ | What are you talking about? | 13:18 |
| Andares | Code, of course. | 13:18 |
| Andares | kanzure_, I was describing the feeling of the morning-after of js programming :p | 13:18 |
| kanzure_ | Ah, well this is the morning of :-) | 13:18 |
| Democritus | http://www.loadoffun.net/EroRules.html | 13:19 |
| Andares | afk | 13:19 |
| Democritus | oh i got invited to goto that | 13:19 |
| Democritus | gotta love "clothing optional 2nd and 3rd floor" | 13:19 |
| Andares | Democritus, dammnn go to it. :D I would get over my anxiety probably though beforehand | 13:20 |
| Andares | afk. | 13:20 |
| Democritus | i dont have any | 13:20 |
| Democritus | been to boatloads of em | 13:20 |
| fenn | "No Genital Sex" <- what exactly is that supposed to mean? | 13:24 |
| Democritus | oh | 13:24 |
| Democritus | that is standard | 13:24 |
| Democritus | i used to goto a every weekend BDSM club- same thing | 13:24 |
| Democritus | full nudity- you are allowed everything but that | 13:24 |
| Democritus | that keeps the clubs from getting shut down | 13:25 |
| Democritus | they tend to seriously bend the local obscene laws- but full genital sex ALWAYS breaks whatever city code that is applicable | 13:26 |
| fenn | so, um, lessee would a 'rimjob' be permitted? | 13:26 |
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| Democritus | that was always a point of contention | 13:28 |
| kanzure | var f6=function(x){return ( (1/(1.3*Math.sqrt(2*Math.pi))) * Math.pow( -((Math.log(x)-Math.log(0.05))/1.3)/2,2) ); }; | 13:28 |
| kanzure | Why would this not plot in javascript? | 13:28 |
| kanzure | the main issue is the return variable, not the rimjob | 13:29 |
| kanzure | erm, I mean, not the variable basis | 13:29 |
| kanzure | assignment. | 13:29 |
| Democritus | ha - sorry kanzure | 13:29 |
| kanzure | sorry for what? | 13:29 |
| Democritus | (diverting from real discussion) | 13:29 |
| fenn | d^-^b | 13:29 |
| kanzure | most of what goes on in here is a diversion | 13:29 |
| Democritus | kk | 13:29 |
| kanzure | a good excuse for me to not be doing work etc. | 13:29 |
| kanzure | 'good' being relative | 13:30 |
| Democritus | :D | 13:30 |
| Democritus | hey did you happen to read the log from after you left last night? | 13:30 |
| kanzure | yes | 13:30 |
| Democritus | i was writing descriptions of how i interpretted your idea- was just curious if it is getting closer to a match | 13:30 |
| kanzure | can any of you read german code? | 13:37 |
| kanzure | http://svglbc.datenverdrahten.de/?code=funktion_integrieren&znr=on where are the vertical axis limits specified? | 13:37 |
| kanzure | well, Dutch | 13:37 |
| Democritus | for the comments? | 13:38 |
| kanzure | hm | 13:38 |
| kanzure | not quite, just the variables in general | 13:38 |
| kanzure | nsh: want to give it a try? | 13:38 |
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| ybit | moupsemap? | 13:41 |
| kanzure_ | the <title> tag on the page said Google Moupse | 13:41 |
| ybit | ah | 13:42 |
| fenn | where is the actual app so we can see wtf you're talking about? | 13:42 |
| kanzure | http://sparql.neurocommons.org:8890/map/ | 13:42 |
| kanzure | ybit found it :) | 13:42 |
| kanzure | uh, that's probably a bad link | 13:42 |
| ybit | it is :) | 13:42 |
| kanzure | you'll have to check the logs | 13:43 |
| kanzure | I'm missing those logs due to the porno'clock crazies | 13:43 |
| ybit | http://sparql.neurocommons.org:8890/map/#Kcnip3@2850,Kcnd1@2800 | 13:43 |
| kanzure | thanks | 13:43 |
| ybit | linked from http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/Banff2007Demo | 13:44 |
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| ybit | what did you have have in mind by "play with it"? | 13:45 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/google_maps.txt | 13:47 |
| kanzure | maybe something involving the Google Maps API plugins stuffs | 13:47 |
| ybit | Yeah, I'll try to conjure something this afternoon when there's time | 13:53 |
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| kanzure | woot | 13:59 |
| kanzure | motherboard arrives tonight | 13:59 |
| kanzure | where the hell are my video cards? | 13:59 |
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| kanzure | looks like the diybio group has sold out | 14:15 |
| kanzure | mac's advertizing 'professional' social networking websites (that ignore professional web standards like FOAF and OpenID .. geeze, how professional) and Carolina for 'diy kits' | 14:16 |
| kanzure | how is buying stuff from Carolina supposed to be 'diy' | 14:16 |
| kanzure | although I admit that it is nice that they allow credit card transactions from noninstitutions, of course | 14:17 |
| fenn | ffs stumbled over anders sandberg again | 14:37 |
| kanzure | woah | 14:44 |
| kanzure | I just called Tom Knight out on bullshitting | 14:44 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Knight | 14:45 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_frm/thread/86ad9a3f8ccb150e | 14:45 |
| fenn | heh buybio | 14:49 |
| kanzure | sounds like a prostitution service | 14:51 |
| fenn | i wonder if tom knight knows about this thing called linux | 14:52 |
| fenn | seriously though, if you need to buy a kit to do DNA extraction, well, that's worse than buying an arduino because you can't solder a circuit board | 14:53 |
| kanzure | what? | 14:54 |
| kanzure | that just blew up my mind | 14:54 |
| kanzure | the analogy is starting to make sense | 14:54 |
| fenn | its about the same level of difficulty | 14:54 |
| fenn | put some cells in a mixture of phenol and .. ether? i forget exactly | 14:54 |
| kanzure | something like "GET TOMATO. ADD SOAP. ADD BLEACH. STIR. BLEND. EXTRACT, YOU JERK." | 14:55 |
| kanzure | sorry for caps | 14:55 |
| fenn | chloroform, not ether | 14:55 |
| fenn | wp to the rescue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_extraction | 14:55 |
| kanzure | argh | 14:55 |
| kanzure | these guys are jackasses | 14:55 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/tree/browse_frm/thread/86ad9a3f8ccb150e/ffd7fd5339985faa?rnum=11&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fdiybio%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2F86ad9a3f8ccb150e%3F#doc_2a3a2ea3a030a41b | 14:56 |
| kanzure | "I agree. | 14:56 |
| kanzure | In that vein, Intel got under my skin for the last time last week, too. So I rolled my own fab, complete with pvd, cvd and lithography machines culled from old banana skinning machines and used a low power chip design Andy Grove whispered to me. | 14:56 |
| kanzure | I'll have the specs up on the wiki soon. No stopping humans now." | 14:56 |
| nsh | this should prove entertaining | 14:57 |
| fenn | wtf are they trying to do? | 14:58 |
| kanzure | my response - ' | 14:58 |
| kanzure | Comparing DNA extraction and running gels to running a microprocessor fabricator is retarded. But if you really want to be a jerk and argue the microprocessor side of things, let's go talk about how the industry started and how these guys were buying camera lenses down the street and shinning down on giant boards of wax to etch out giant circuits.' | 14:58 |
| kanzure | gel extractions | 14:58 |
| kanzure | not microproc fabricators | 14:58 |
| kanzure | hell, this analogy *sucks* | 14:58 |
| nsh | no, google, you *don't* need to know a little more about me before starting google groups | 14:58 |
| nsh | ffs | 14:58 |
| kanzure | heh | 14:59 |
| nsh | heh, i log out, and suddenly it's not a twat anymore | 14:59 |
| nsh | moral: don't be logged into a google account unecessarily | 15:00 |
| kanzure | "Your body is producing DNA all the time, what do you think that shit flying out your whacker is made of? Damn it, folks, this isn't magic." | 15:00 |
| nsh | do you know what also annoys me | 15:01 |
| kanzure | hm? | 15:01 |
| nsh | people who post that "you're setting up a false dichotomy between two extremes, when really most people compromise somewhere in the middle" bollock all the time | 15:02 |
| nsh | yes, we are all aware of this. | 15:02 |
| * nsh swears some people think they are the only person to have realised that there are shades of grey and are on an evangelical mission to spread their divine revelation | 15:03 | |
| fenn | nsh: btw did i mention my divine revelation? | 15:03 |
| * nsh smiles | 15:03 | |
| fenn | the TRUTH is that there are no shades of grey! | 15:04 |
| fenn | it's turtles all the way down my dear | 15:04 |
| kanzure | mm, turtle soup | 15:04 |
| nsh | thomas knight and talli just seem like dicks, tbh | 15:04 |
| fenn | cranky usenet syndrome | 15:05 |
| kanzure | tom is an MIT professor/oldie | 15:05 |
| * nsh nods | 15:05 | |
| kanzure | I guess they get to be jerks after all these years | 15:05 |
| kanzure | I think they are actually groupies | 15:05 |
| nsh | probably light-hearted | 15:05 |
| kanzure | it looks like the diybio people are really just some lab group who are close friends | 15:05 |
| kanzure | I have nothing against close friends | 15:06 |
| kanzure | but it looks like they are doing "sekrit" work that they don't share on the mailing list | 15:06 |
| fenn | so does iGEM just mail biochem kits to anyone who asks? how does this work exactly? | 15:06 |
| kanzure | so naturally since they run things ... ;-) | 15:06 |
| kanzure | don't know, I haven't investigated | 15:06 |
| kanzure | it looks like they mail to 'labs' | 15:06 |
| kanzure | but there has been high school teams before | 15:06 |
| kanzure | ok, they've stopped emailing | 15:08 |
| * kanzure is a flood of mindforce :-) | 15:09 | |
| nsh | but, srsly | 15:12 |
| nsh | what do you need for gel electrophoresis anyway... | 15:12 |
| nsh | it's just voltage, buffer, and agarose ffs | 15:12 |
| nsh | and EtBr | 15:12 |
| kanzure | heh, EtBr :( | 15:12 |
| nsh | is that hard to attain? | 15:12 |
| fenn | there are other stains | 15:12 |
| kanzure | you know what would be awesome? | 15:12 |
| kanzure | if I could piss DNA staining dyes. | 15:13 |
| kanzure | ok, that wouldn't be so awesome. nevermind. | 15:13 |
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| fenn | "SYBR Safe" for instance | 15:13 |
| fenn | whatever that is | 15:13 |
| nsh | you need ~.5 microlitres of EtBr per sample | 15:13 |
| kanzure | fenn: you remember the silicon 'gels' that were on newscientist a while back? | 15:13 |
| nsh | that's gotta be less than a penny | 15:13 |
| kanzure | nsh: getting neurotoxins when you're not in a lab is not easy | 15:13 |
| kanzure | I haven't checked | 15:14 |
| fenn | nsh: it's not the cost its the cost of disposal (etbr is a strong mutagen) | 15:14 |
| kanzure | nevermind, I'm lying | 15:14 |
| nsh | oh, we just flush it (jk) | 15:14 |
| kanzure | what happened to that great medical benefit package? | 15:14 |
| kanzure | heh | 15:14 |
| fenn | oh wait, you work in a lab, wtf am i teaching you for | 15:14 |
| kanzure | I wish one of you would whack these guys into line | 15:14 |
| kanzure | obviously I try and it doesn't work :-) | 15:15 |
| * nsh is too vitriolic | 15:15 | |
| * fenn is too melancholic | 15:15 | |
| fenn | ack what is this http cache cleaner thing | 15:15 |
| * fenn grumbles about ubuntu being windows in disguise | 15:15 | |
| kanzure | "I think you should tone down your e-mails and think about how your enthusiasm could come across as arrogance some times." | 15:15 |
| kanzure | I just got that as an email from John | 15:16 |
| kanzure | as arrogance. | 15:16 |
| kanzure | how is what I said arrogant ? | 15:16 |
| kanzure | anybody? we're all smart guys, what did I say that's arrogant? | 15:16 |
| nsh | you have to be right gently, kanzure | 15:16 |
| kanzure | I see. | 15:16 |
| nsh | being bluntly right is not well recieved | 15:16 |
| kanzure | that's tricky | 15:16 |
| fenn | i was just reading "how to have confidence and power" the other day.. | 15:17 |
| fenn | there's a whole chapter about how not to win an argument | 15:18 |
| fenn | basically the idea is you have to simply state obvious facts and let the other guy draw the obvious conclusion | 15:18 |
| fenn | but if you ram the obvious conclusion down his throat, he'll only fight back harder in order to preserve his own ego (against all logic) | 15:18 |
| nsh | it's about the interface | 15:20 |
| kanzure | my approach to emails is "point by point" commenting instead of synthesis writing | 15:20 |
| kanzure | 'synthesis' is where they might be willing to listen | 15:20 |
| nsh | the interface between epistemologies is different to the bare facts at matter | 15:20 |
| kanzure | point-by-point gets too hard to track all of the different emails together. | 15:20 |
| kanzure | right | 15:20 |
| kanzure | nsh: that's a hard barrier to get over | 15:20 |
| nsh | it's a dance :-/ | 15:20 |
| kanzure | I see it all the time in mostly everything I do | 15:21 |
| * nsh too | 15:22 | |
| kanzure | methinks this might end up with me having to teach everyone about linux, showing them how open source projects usually run and why that might possibly be more useful than being secretive, about dependencies and how much not having a DLL or lib file sucks, etc. | 15:24 |
| kanzure | I can't believe these guys wouldn't have this background already though ... | 15:24 |
| Jacco | Hi guys. | 15:26 |
| nsh | moin, Jacco | 15:27 |
| kanzure | Hey Jacco. | 15:27 |
| kanzure | Rick James? | 15:27 |
| kanzure | #gcc ##chemistry ##neuroscience #hplusroadmap #ai #defocus <-- is good | 15:27 |
| kanzure | anything saying #gcc ;-) | 15:28 |
| nsh | apart from that last chan. a greater hive of scum and villainy there n'er was | 15:28 |
| kanzure | sucks how the more I look into the less awesome these people are | 15:45 |
| kanzure | eli's officially off my list, even if he does truly want to solve these problems, | 15:45 |
| kanzure | tom knight, wtf | 15:45 |
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| kanzure | Has anyone sent an email to hplusroadmap since the 12th and has it gone through ? | 15:48 |
| kanzure | maybe I am arrogant | 15:57 |
| kanzure | I haven't considered this before | 15:58 |
| kanzure | am I arrogant? | 15:58 |
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| kanzure | Hey. | 16:08 |
| fenn | i wouldnt say arrogant so much as naive and ignorant :) | 16:10 |
| kanzure | me? | 16:10 |
| kanzure | I think I'm ignorant of where the hell they're coming from | 16:10 |
| fenn | hmm, what was 'john' referring to in particular? did he even say? | 16:10 |
| kanzure | nope | 16:11 |
| kanzure | 'overall' I suspect | 16:11 |
| fenn | you often appear to have 'the answer' and are ramming it down the reader's throat | 16:13 |
| * Splicer agrees | 16:13 | |
| fenn | when the reader notices an obvious technical flaw that would make the whole idea fail completely, it just leaves you looking like an ass | 16:13 |
| kanzure | technical flaw? | 16:14 |
| kanzure | the idea is to fix the technical flaws, no? | 16:14 |
| fenn | um, here's one example: growing algae for biodiesel to make rocket fuel on orbit | 16:15 |
| nsh | what was wrong with that ide? | 16:15 |
| nsh | *idea | 16:15 |
| kanzure | yeah, it's not like I have the actual reactions for that | 16:15 |
| kanzure | so how could it be a technical flaw? | 16:16 |
| fenn | hmm | 16:16 |
| kanzure | I know I'm being an ass here | 16:16 |
| fenn | 'here' meaning diybio list? | 16:16 |
| kanzure | yes | 16:16 |
| kanzure | but in general, proposing something like that, and then leaving them hanging, is probably bad practice | 16:16 |
| kanzure | I'd have to do immediate followup with ways of making the protocols and investigating how to go about doing it | 16:16 |
| kanzure | but explaining to them how to search for information is like holding their hand :( | 16:17 |
| kanzure | I wouldn't mind it,but I'll look like even more of an ass | 16:17 |
| Splicer | you bring in sci fi arguments/solutions into discussions without thinking twice about it.. you do it often | 16:18 |
| Splicer | and you do it into context where people are trying to get actual things done | 16:18 |
| kanzure | you think I'm not trying to get things done? | 16:19 |
| Splicer | *contexts | 16:19 |
| Splicer | I'm not sure you know what that entails any more | 16:19 |
| kanzure | should I just start appending a "how to actually do this" to all of my messages and make it simpler ? | 16:19 |
| Splicer | but that's the thing... you never know that | 16:19 |
| kanzure | if I knew how, the _exact_ how for everything, I don't think I'd need to be talking | 16:19 |
| kanzure | yeah, but I have the rough outline | 16:20 |
| kanzure | and the general frameworks I've been using don't suck | 16:20 |
| Splicer | you hava a millionm of them | 16:20 |
| kanzure | the 'epistemology' perhaps ;-) | 16:20 |
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| kanzure | not so, it all lines up pretty well | 16:20 |
| kanzure | for instance: me talking about neurotagging in here one day | 16:21 |
| Splicer | it all falls apart as soon as you actually would take time to try to atually make one of them | 16:21 |
| kanzure | and a week later ybit finding a link to an implementation :) | 16:21 |
| kanzure | hah | 16:21 |
| kanzure | then how is it that these things are working and things are rolling? | 16:21 |
| Splicer | what is rolling? | 16:21 |
| kanzure | for instance, the biotech toolkit | 16:21 |
| kanzure | well, the community support isn't, but that's an education/support issue, not a technical issue | 16:22 |
| Splicer | does it work now... the last version I saw didn't | 16:22 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/gitweb.cgi | 16:22 |
| * fenn hides | 16:22 | |
| * kanzure isn't interested in getting into this discussion | 16:22 | |
| kanzure | I was more talking about the approach to presenting the ideas | 16:22 |
| Splicer | it's easy to braindump ideas.. everyone can do that.. but people dont | 16:23 |
| kanzure | fenn: what do you think about the 'step by step howto' appended to all of my outgoing messages? And then I can clearly highlight "this general fuzzy area is where I would hope you guys would like to spend some time thinking about" | 16:23 |
| kanzure | show them my maps and such. | 16:23 |
| fenn | i'm not convinced that's the problem, but it might help to clarify what precisely you're talking about | 16:24 |
| fenn | i mean, you arent talking about mining salt and refining petroleum into lab reagents | 16:24 |
| fenn | but it was never explicitly stated what level of "diy" you envisioned | 16:25 |
| kanzure | the definition I sent to the diybio group today was not so much diy from scratch (which is, yes, what I want) but rather dependency information -- some degree of not letting proprietary stuff be a single point of failure in your system | 16:26 |
| kanzure | erm, and overall I don't quite see the connection to how to write good email | 16:26 |
| fenn | ah i just read the xml/arduino post | 16:27 |
| fenn | can't seem to get google groups to display threads like i want | 16:27 |
| kanzure | re: displaying threads, I wish they did hierarchical threads for gmail. I'd actually use the web interface then. | 16:29 |
| kanzure | I think I should get advice from #electronics about arduino before I go around referencing it | 16:35 |
| kanzure | I haven't actually used it, but the local robot group and actlab and others have brought it up (live) so I suspect it might be as it says it is | 16:35 |
| kanzure | just haven't used it yet :-) | 16:36 |
| * kanzure is still impressed with Eric Hunting | 16:37 | |
| fenn | the thing about arduino is it's a hardware platform and a software platform too, but you can mix and match with other hardware/software | 16:39 |
| fenn | so when you say 'arduino' its ambiguous :( | 16:39 |
| kanzure | I see. | 16:39 |
| fenn | like if you could run mac OS on any computer | 16:39 |
| fenn | then what does 'mac' mean | 16:39 |
| kanzure | but isn't that the point | 16:39 |
| kanzure | even if it is ambiguous, either way works | 16:39 |
| kanzure | for instance, both the software and hardware is available | 16:39 |
| kanzure | depends on the context in which you employ it, no? | 16:39 |
| fenn | yeah, on the whole i'm quite pleased with the arduino project | 16:40 |
| fenn | it still smacks of prepackaged snacks though | 16:40 |
| fenn | shrug | 16:41 |
| fenn | i just get annoyed when someone doesnt know which way to turn a bolt | 16:41 |
| kanzure | true enough | 16:42 |
| kanzure | was arduino from Make or did they make it because they got on Make? | 16:43 |
| fenn | uhh.. Make doesnt actually make anything :( | 16:46 |
| kanzure | the brand thing | 16:46 |
| kanzure | by 'make it because' I mean 'make it big' | 16:47 |
| kanzure | heh, ambiguity | 16:47 |
| fenn | hm there's just a pun waiting to happen with this "AVR reactor" (german nuclear reactor in the 60's) | 16:47 |
| kanzure | I don't see it | 16:47 |
| kanzure | is this an Atmel AVR reference? | 16:47 |
| kanzure | since we're talking about arduino? | 16:47 |
| fenn | arduino is based on an avr chip, which provides 99% of the functionality | 16:48 |
| kanzure | nsh: Are you still around? And would you be willing to interpret some Dutch code for me? http://svglbc.datenverdrahten.de/?code=funktion_integrieren&znr=on | 16:55 |
| * nsh wonders why an american guy wants a british guy in finland to interpret dutch code from germany | 16:56 | |
| fenn | google translate works ok | 16:57 |
| fenn | if you copy/paste | 16:57 |
| * nsh has verdict: it probably draws stuff | 16:57 | |
| kanzure | just looking for the vertical axis specification | 16:58 |
| kanzure | since I'm trying to plot a function that goes beyond the range and domain it instantiates | 16:58 |
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| kanzure | thanks fenn | 16:58 |
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| kanzure | ah, it's German. | 17:00 |
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| kanzure | "`Arbitrary does not mean random or meaningless. Arbitrary merely means without previous dependency.` http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systems_Philosophy " hm | 17:07 |
| * fenn glazes over | 17:10 | |
| fenn | somebody turn me before i burn! | 17:10 |
| * kanzure turns fenn | 17:11 | |
| kanzure | szzzzzzzz | 17:11 |
| fenn | ok i'm done | 17:15 |
| fenn | g'nite | 17:15 |
| kanzure | night | 17:19 |
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| kanzure | Hrm. | 20:32 |
| kanzure | things did not go well | 20:32 |
| kanzure | somebody posted and called it a flamewar :( it clearly was not a flamewar | 20:32 |
| kanzure_ | +++ | 20:34 |
| kanzure | Okay. Let's just try working backwards. If you were a quadcore, where would you be? | 21:11 |
| ybit | hehe | 21:56 |
| ybit | didn't read the full log, but the only part which seems like you are attacking someone is | 22:05 |
| ybit | Comparing DNA extraction and running gels to running a microprocessor | 22:05 |
| ybit | fabricator is retarded. But if you really want to be a jerk and argue | 22:05 |
| ybit | the microprocessor side of things | 22:05 |
| ybit | """ ^ | 22:06 |
| ybit | but other than that, it seems like you were right on target | 22:06 |
| kanzure | apparently that guy that I was replying to there was being sarcastic and so on | 22:07 |
| kanzure | here's his message | 22:07 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/tree/browse_frm/thread/86ad9a3f8ccb150e/ffd7fd5339985faa?rnum=11&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fdiybio%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2F86ad9a3f8ccb150e%3F#doc_2a3a2ea3a030a41b | 22:08 |
| kanzure | #14 | 22:08 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/tree/browse_frm/thread/86ad9a3f8ccb150e/676fbbfe06da4a86?rnum=21&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fdiybio%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2F86ad9a3f8ccb150e%3F#doc_3b2d57d6d81dfd4e | 22:09 |
| kanzure | and #27 | 22:09 |
| kanzure | anyway, ybit - did you check out any of the Google maps APIing stuffs ? | 22:10 |
| ybit | ick | 22:10 |
| kanzure | to me or him? | 22:10 |
| ybit | him | 22:10 |
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| kanzure | heh :) | 22:11 |
| ybit | doing it now, installing some dependencies | 22:11 |
| kanzure | I'm sure I could have handled it better | 22:11 |
| kanzure | but I didn't :( | 22:11 |
| ybit | oh well, it's obvious you just want what's best for everyone | 22:11 |
| kanzure | is it | 22:11 |
| kanzure | ? | 22:11 |
| kanzure | sarcasm? | 22:11 |
| ybit | i'm being serious | 22:11 |
| kanzure | This is so very weird. I have every single component of everything I've bought for the desktop: every single screw, every single piece of cardboard, all of the hardware, all of the documentation, manuals and CDs, but no microprocessor. | 22:16 |
| kanzure | while my thoroughness was admirable, it's completely failed me | 22:16 |
| ybit | same here, except i need a power supply now :P | 22:18 |
| kanzure | is it possible that I shipped the microprocessor back to new egg with the dead motherboard? | 22:19 |
| kanzure | I clearly remember taking the microprocessor off of the board and putting it into a separate retainer case | 22:19 |
| kanzure | and also putting it into one of the boxes I've triple searched in the last few minutes | 22:19 |
| ybit | I dug a hole to plant a future peach tree, but I couldn't remember where the seed was placed :P | 22:21 |
| ybit | that's my story of losing something today | 22:21 |
| ybit | yeah, it's lame, i know :P | 22:21 |
| kanzure | losing a quadcore is the ultimate in lameness | 22:21 |
| * ybit drools | 22:21 | |
| kanzure | but it's lost | 22:21 |
| ybit | if you live in a dorm, it may have been stolen? | 22:22 |
| Splicer | if you bought the pc as parts: is it on the pack slip? | 22:22 |
| kanzure | two potential times it could have been stolen | 22:22 |
| kanzure | pack slip? | 22:22 |
| kanzure | (1) it could have been stolen while it was in the box in the trailer. This is unlikely since it was in a box in the back of the trailer underneath everything else. | 22:23 |
| kanzure | (2) if it was loaded in one of the first few trips, the door was unlocked once or twice only | 22:23 |
| kanzure | however, again, it was underneath everything else and I wasn't gone for more than 2 or 3 minutes | 22:23 |
| kanzure | and stealing only a microprocessor at the very bottom? and leaving everything in order? | 22:24 |
| kanzure | Splicer: what is this 'pack slip' that you speak of? | 22:24 |
| Splicer | i reread the post.. you didn't buy it now.. so no packaging slip(if that's what it's called) | 22:24 |
| kanzure | what is a packaging slip though? | 22:25 |
| kanzure | you mean a receipt? | 22:25 |
| Splicer | when you buy something, say online... yeah, but it's not really a receipt.. it's the slip that says what was sent. | 22:25 |
| kanzure | ah, yeah, I had it earlier | 22:25 |
| kanzure | so I know I (should) have it | 22:25 |
| Splicer | ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packing_slip ) | 22:27 |
| ybit | ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adhd ) | 22:30 |
| ybit | :) | 22:30 |
| kanzure | I do very thorough searches | 22:30 |
| kanzure | I know this thing must still exist on this planet | 22:30 |
| kanzure | so I've narrowed down 99.9999% of the galaxy | 22:30 |
| ybit | you came down my street and didn't tell me!? ;) | 22:42 |
| * ybit is waiting on this program to finishing compiling | 22:42 | |
| ybit | virtuoso, that is | 22:42 |
| kanzure | virtuoso? | 23:08 |
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