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| kanzure | how does one fix the internal to external output translation layer | 00:59 |
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| Endos | so i've got a general question | 02:35 |
| kanzure | yeah? | 02:36 |
| Endos | if anyone here really wanted to learn something that would take about a month to do, would they work day in and day out for the most part to get it done sooner if time isn't permitting of a month? | 02:36 |
| kanzure | context? | 02:36 |
| Endos | calculus 3 | 02:36 |
| Endos | a self-study | 02:36 |
| Endos | i've already done the first two chapters | 02:37 |
| Endos | there's like 4 more left | 02:37 |
| kanzure | Is this multivariate calculus? | 02:37 |
| Endos | probably won't even take 20 days | 02:37 |
| Endos | yup | 02:37 |
| Endos | multivariable | 02:37 |
| kanzure | multivariable. Oops. | 02:37 |
| Endos | mainly i need to know a few specific concepts introduced in it, but that's pretty much the extent of it, and the last chapter is helpful too.... 2nd order diff EQs | 02:38 |
| Endos | although the title sounds implicit for methods of the solution lol | 02:38 |
| Endos | do you think i should pull an all nighter? | 02:40 |
| kanzure | I don't know :) | 02:42 |
| Endos | lol | 02:43 |
| Endos | well i had a pain in my chest earlier... and i would rather not die, so i'll get some sleep, but wake up early and do my work (god if I had a nickle for all the times I've told myself I'll do that... I'd have a dollar) | 02:44 |
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| Endos | nickel* | 02:44 |
| Endos | lol | 02:45 |
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| kanzure | fenn: I have a few spare moments and I was figuring I'd finally get around to improving my autogoogler scripts (which I have technically lost, but am not worrying about that). | 03:30 |
| kanzure | so what I have is an idea to wire up wordnet with synonyms and then generate a few extra queries or something | 03:30 |
| kanzure | because I always seem to permutate through a few related terms when I search for some stuff | 03:30 |
| fenn | doesn't google do synonyms automatically? (to my chagrin, usually) | 03:31 |
| kanzure | I'm thinking of just doing either an opera/firefox session generator or maybe just kdcop to have it pull the strings of konqueror directly | 03:31 |
| kanzure | doesn't feel like it some times. | 03:31 |
| kanzure | hm | 03:31 |
| kanzure | well the other part of the idea is to keep track of the searches in my current session at the same time as well | 03:31 |
| fenn | can you do queries with logical OR? | 03:31 |
| kanzure | yeah | 03:31 |
| fenn | hmm i guess asking for regex would be too much :) | 03:32 |
| kanzure | on Google? | 03:32 |
| kanzure | heh | 03:32 |
| fenn | supposedly it works with "google code" but i cant find anything with that | 03:32 |
| kanzure | heh | 03:32 |
| fenn | seriously though this OR AND NOT stuff is just a lame-ass regex | 03:33 |
| kanzure | right | 03:34 |
| kanzure | what's your point? | 03:34 |
| kanzure | sorry, my io filters are seriously down | 03:34 |
| fenn | why do you want to have a script to substitute synonyms for you? | 03:34 |
| kanzure | oh, wait | 03:35 |
| kanzure | what about just visualizing the synonym graph | 03:35 |
| kanzure | and then selecting which to use to use as queries | 03:35 |
| kanzure | would your question still apply? | 03:35 |
| fenn | like googlefight? | 03:35 |
| kanzure | well, not each sent as queried because then google hates us | 03:35 |
| fenn | uh, what would you be graphing then? | 03:35 |
| kanzure | the relation between the words making up your general grammatical search space | 03:36 |
| kanzure | uh, is that a bullshit answer? | 03:36 |
| kanzure | like here's a search: programming extropy emergence magic, okay and there's a number of related words that could be used to construct an alternative query | 03:36 |
| kanzure | and if I have those words flashing up then it could conceivably help to find alternative ways of wording the search or some sort | 03:37 |
| kanzure | a "query mutator" of sorts | 03:37 |
| fenn | there's n^4 possible combo's right? | 03:37 |
| kanzure | n=? | 03:37 |
| fenn | the number of synonyms for each word | 03:37 |
| kanzure | 4 = count(words_in_original_query) | 03:37 |
| kanzure | hm, yes, I suppose so | 03:38 |
| kanzure | but not all of them need to be displayed necessarily | 03:38 |
| fenn | just the closest match | 03:38 |
| fenn | but.. that depends on context, which the computer can't really infer (or can it?) | 03:38 |
| kanzure | me doesn't know if wordnet has that sort of information but at the same time that's ok for first approximation/prototypes | 03:38 |
| fenn | does extropy have any synonyms? | 03:39 |
| kanzure | prognostication | 03:39 |
| kanzure | according to wordnet | 03:39 |
| kanzure | forecasting | 03:39 |
| kanzure | hm. | 03:39 |
| fenn | uh, how does wordnet work exactly? | 03:40 |
| kanzure | it's an external database of words methinks | 03:40 |
| kanzure | don't know | 03:40 |
| kanzure | is there something better for dictionary tools? | 03:40 |
| fenn | hmm.. urbandictionary.com? | 03:44 |
| kanzure | has an api? | 03:44 |
| fenn | no | 03:45 |
| fenn | i just started thinking about the futility of having a "complete" dictionary | 03:45 |
| fenn | and what subset of existant words you might be able to cover | 03:45 |
| kanzure | blargh, I don't have a good idea for my autogoogler interface | 03:46 |
| fenn | another problem is that each word has many meanings | 03:46 |
| kanzure | general searching problem anyway | 03:46 |
| kanzure | right? | 03:51 |
| fenn | sounds more like NLP to me | 03:52 |
| fenn | natural language processing | 03:52 |
| kanzure | I don't want to go too deep into linguistics | 04:06 |
| kanzure | I guess there's little benefit to extract, I don't recursively/iteratively google any more | 04:11 |
| kanzure | or as much as I should.. | 04:11 |
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