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| kanzure | Hey tmccabe271. | 02:45 |
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| kanzure | I don't actually know if anyone else is up, but they certainly should be if they aren't. | 02:46 |
| tmccabe271 | Are they on PDT? | 02:47 |
| kanzure | A few of them are in Sweden, another is in Boston, etc. | 02:47 |
| kanzure | nsh may or may not be a bot, I'm not entirely sure yet | 02:47 |
| kanzure | Oh. | 02:48 |
| kanzure | tmccabe271: Since we use the book so much, you might like the commentary on TSiN - it's the last link in the /topic with 'fernhout' in the URL. | 02:49 |
| willPow3r | why should we be up? | 03:59 |
| willPow3r | kanzure | 04:00 |
| kanzure | because I said so | 04:18 |
| kanzure | :) | 04:18 |
| willPow3r | heh | 04:21 |
| willPow3r | always a good reason | 04:21 |
| kanzure | indeed | 04:22 |
| kanzure | hm, "objective morality" came up tonight | 04:23 |
| willPow3r | how exciting | 04:36 |
| willPow3r | do you ever sleep? | 04:39 |
| fenn | nevar! sleep is for the weak! | 04:44 |
| willPow3r | all humans are weak | 04:45 |
| willPow3r | they must be destroyed | 04:45 |
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| kanzure | so I think they really want to do a startup around web software for future scenario prediction | 05:17 |
| kanzure | but why would anybody pay for that | 05:17 |
| kanzure | and they're all largely ignorant of the architectures mentioned in here and such | 05:19 |
| kanzure | so that's not goo | 05:19 |
| kanzure | good | 05:19 |
| kanzure | anyway, | 05:19 |
| kanzure | I'm meeting Eliezer tomorrow. | 05:19 |
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| ybit | kanzure, would you do speak at the imminst sunday evening update? | 12:43 |
| ybit | otherwise it probably won't be worth watching | 12:44 |
| ybit | really if anyone in here would speak, it would be interesting | 12:45 |
| ybit | no takers? | 14:40 |
| willPow3r | i could speak, but it wouldn't be on the right subject | 14:41 |
| kanzure | hm. When? | 14:42 |
| kanzure | (2008-08-03 12:24:47) wheels: Heh, "You thought PDFs are bad? Now you can upload them to Scribd and make them even worse by displaying them in a shitty Flash applet. Scribd has a distinction of being the Y Combinator startup with highest chances of making the Web even worse than it is now. I seriously hope they never succeed." | 14:47 |
| kanzure | http://www.kizoo.com | 14:48 |
| kanzure | http://twobits.net/discuss/chapter2 <-- a good explanation of Eugen Leitl | 15:38 |
| kanzure | http://eugen.leitl.org/ | 15:38 |
| kanzure | "There is still a role for technical invention, but it is strongly distinguished from political, legal, cultural, or social interventions. For most transhumanists, there is no rhetoric here, no sophistry, just the pure truth of “it works”: the pure, undeniable, unstoppable, and undeconstructable reality of technology." | 15:39 |
| kanzure | ' For the transhumanist attitude, the reality of “working code” has a reality that other assertions about the world do not. Extreme transhumanism replaces the life-world with the world of the computer, where bad (ethically bad) ideas won’t compile. Less-staunch versions of transhumanism simply allow the confusion to operate opportunistically: the progress of technology is unquestionable (omniscient), and only its eff | 15:39 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/transhumanism_def.html has been updated | 15:50 |
| fenn | heheh they dont compile until you build a fuzzy compiler | 16:01 |
| fenn | this reminds me of john mccarthy's take on "calculemus" | 16:03 |
| kanzure | leibniz's "calculemus" and 'let us calculate' ? | 16:03 |
| fenn | ya | 16:03 |
| kanzure | twobits.net looks like something we might want to get some first mover advantage on re: the comments on each of the pages | 16:04 |
| kanzure | oh look | 16:04 |
| kanzure | crap crap crap | 16:05 |
| kanzure | 'P2P Foundation » Blog Archive » Book of the Week: Christopher Kelty’s Two Bits says: [...] You can buy and read the book here, and we recommend reading the conclusions on the [...]' | 16:05 |
| kanzure | hm | 16:05 |
| kanzure | I don't know if this means this is from P2P Foundation or not | 16:05 |
| kanzure | yeah, that was a comment | 16:05 |
| kanzure | nevermind | 16:05 |
| kanzure | but I just emailed it to the p2pfoundation guys anyway | 16:05 |
| kanzure | heh' | 16:05 |
| fenn | i'm still slogging through their heavy use of CSS | 16:05 |
| kanzure | stupid desgin | 16:06 |
| kanzure | design | 16:06 |
| kanzure | there's a PDF methinks | 16:06 |
| fenn | ah fuck it.. /me switches to dillo | 16:07 |
| kanzure | http://twobits.net/pub/Kelty-TwoBits.pdf | 16:07 |
| fenn | some guy was at my house expounding the virtues of flash based photo galleries.. i was about to stab him | 16:08 |
| kanzure | fenn: you're a good man. | 16:10 |
| fenn | good for him that i have restraint at least :) | 16:10 |
| fenn | it's interesting that for some people literally every thing that comes out of their mouth is wrong | 16:11 |
| fenn | statistically they'd have to get something right every once in a while on accident | 16:12 |
| fenn | i'm having a hard time focusing on this twobits book | 16:14 |
| kanzure | 'recursive public' sounds like fractal.html | 16:15 |
| kanzure | "recursive publics" => skdb | 16:16 |
| kanzure | or the other way around or something | 16:16 |
| fenn | http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/future/objectivity.html | 16:17 |
| fenn | one could use space colonies as literal petri dishes for social science experiments | 16:26 |
| fenn | the only problem is getting people to believe the results | 16:26 |
| kanzure | screw that | 16:27 |
| kanzure | to believe that space colonies are feasible | 16:27 |
| kanzure | that's a good start | 16:27 |
| fenn | bah | 16:27 |
| fenn | feasible in what sense? | 16:27 |
| kanzure | that i.e., it can work so let's go make it happen | 16:28 |
| kanzure | "wha? that will require hundreds of billions of dollars!" | 16:28 |
| fenn | there's basically two arguments: 1) it costs too much and only whitey will benefit 2) i'm an ecologist and ecosystems are so amazingly awesome that you just have to listen to me when i say it won't ever work | 16:29 |
| fenn | i'd eat algae for a year if i had to.. i dont know how anyone can buy argument #2 | 16:30 |
| fenn | #1 is a little harder because it involves getting people to actually open their eyes | 16:30 |
| fenn | fuck i dont need to be thinking about this | 16:31 |
| fenn | kanzure help, what do i do? | 16:31 |
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| ybit | re "When?" 5pmCST | 16:32 |
| fenn | even if i have the world's best personal fabricator i'm not going to be able to put a rotovator in orbit | 16:32 |
| fenn | damn this muddy gravity well! | 16:33 |
| kanzure | hm | 16:36 |
| kanzure | fenn: what do you need to be thinking about? | 16:36 |
| fenn | the depressing overall situation of space development | 16:36 |
| kanzure | oh, right | 16:36 |
| kanzure | re: damning the gravity well | 16:37 |
| kanzure | I know this sounds completely insane but I've considered blowing the planet up | 16:37 |
| kanzure | in a well-controlled way | 16:37 |
| kanzure | drilling nukes down through the surface and mantle | 16:37 |
| kanzure | just enough to have giant chunks of the earth split up and have less of a gravity well | 16:37 |
| fenn | sure i dont see any problems with that at all | 16:37 |
| kanzure | well, we'd have to be damn sure we can be prepared for space survival | 16:37 |
| kanzure | atmosphere will probably vanish | 16:38 |
| fenn | nukes arent that powerful | 16:38 |
| kanzure | hrm, there's a finite amount of plutonium or uranium or something | 16:39 |
| fenn | you can make a fusion bomb almost arbitrarily large | 16:39 |
| kanzure | and this might not be enough for the number of detonations or yield that would be required | 16:39 |
| fenn | but i dont think it would result in blowing "chunks" off | 16:39 |
| kanzure | what do you think would happen? | 16:39 |
| fenn | rock behaves as a liquid or dust at those sort of scales | 16:40 |
| kanzure | wait, if you have that much fusionable supplies | 16:40 |
| kanzure | just do Project Orion | 16:40 |
| kanzure | the real Project Orion, not the fake | 16:40 |
| fenn | i think it would make a big crater with a very large nuber of pieces a couple hundred meters max | 16:40 |
| fenn | heh orion is a joke | 16:40 |
| fenn | both of them | 16:40 |
| kanzure | how was the first one a joke? | 16:41 |
| fenn | it's so wasteful | 16:41 |
| fenn | that many bombs would cost more than just launching that much stuff on chemical rockets | 16:41 |
| fenn | i still cant figure out why they never developed nuclear rockets in the cold war | 16:41 |
| fenn | maybe it just wasnt necessary | 16:42 |
| fenn | s/developed/built/ | 16:46 |
| kanzure | how about tractor beam the moon and make it crash into the planet? | 16:46 |
| fenn | if you have a tractor beam just beam your damn self up | 16:47 |
| fenn | iran has a nuclear program, and a space program, and dont seem to be constrained by conventional politics | 16:49 |
| fenn | hmmmm | 16:49 |
| kanzure | send in a resume | 16:50 |
| kanzure | make sure you grow your beard out first | 16:50 |
| fenn | Ali Mahmudi Mimand the Chief engineer in the Iranian Ministries Satellites and Aeronautics Industry had passed away under mysterious circumstances that have not been explained. He was called the "father of Iran's Missiles". | 16:55 |
| fenn | you'd think china would be more pro nuclear power in the current global warming hysteria | 16:57 |
| fenn | but they keep building dams and coal power plants | 16:57 |
| kanzure | snowball effect | 17:00 |
| kanzure | so, nsh, I actually have the chance to throw a damaging blow | 17:01 |
| kanzure | in about 10 minutes | 17:01 |
| kanzure | for some reason everyone here is really nervious about meeting him, which is very weird | 17:02 |
| kanzure | cultthing or something | 17:02 |
| fenn | heh you should say something about that | 17:04 |
| kanzure | ? | 17:08 |
| fenn | his cult-like aura | 17:10 |
| fenn | it's not like he doesn't bring it on himself | 17:11 |
| fenn | the SL4 censorship/dictatorship doesn't help either | 17:12 |
| fenn | an additional moderated list would be a good compromise | 17:13 |
| fenn | but better if someone besides eli has that power | 17:14 |
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| kanzure | "You're a mysterious fellow." | 20:45 |
| * nsh frowns | 20:48 | |
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