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kanzure | http://heybryan.org/bryanmakesburger/100_0045.jpg <-- Cooking is not ... obvious. | 03:14 |
kanzure | http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/kevin_kelly_on_the_next_5_000_days_of_the_web.html | 04:51 |
kanzure | haven't watched it yet | 04:51 |
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kanzure | the internet is like a galaxy, and I'm trying to cherrypick a handful of stars out of billions | 13:59 |
kanzure | bah | 13:59 |
kanzure | hm, maybe I should put together a presentation for tomorrow? | 14:04 |
nsh | what's tommorow? | 14:09 |
kanzure | biobarcamp | 14:11 |
kanzure | hah | 14:16 |
kanzure | http://www.cs.jyu.fi/ai/OntoGroup/InBCT_May_2004.html | 14:16 |
kanzure | "Google search query generator": | 14:16 |
kanzure | "Google Search Query Generator Textual descriptions (query strings) provided to Semantic Search Assistant are processed using WordNet ontologies that capture word meanings and relations between keywords and then converted into series of Google-queries taking into account keyword semantics and using advanced search features provided by Google; generated should return better results than if keywords are used dir | 14:16 |
kanzure | those bastards | 14:16 |
kanzure | 'Semantic Search Assistant' (SSA) | 14:16 |
nsh | wordnet is a joke | 14:18 |
nsh | like the best jokes, a lot of people don't get it and take it seriously | 14:18 |
kanzure | http://www.cs.jyu.fi/ai/OntoGroup/UBIWARE_details.htm | 14:20 |
* kanzure wonders how far nsh would have to travel to steal their codebase | 14:22 | |
kanzure | erm | 14:22 |
kanzure | nevermind | 14:22 |
* nsh smiles | 14:22 | |
nsh | this looks pretty interesting | 14:23 |
kanzure | the semantic search facilitator or biobarcamp? | 14:34 |
nsh | UBIWARE | 14:38 |
nsh | biobarcamp also looks cool | 14:40 |
kanzure | nsh: did I mention I'm getting to work with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Nelson ? | 14:41 |
ybit | i hadn't heard | 14:41 |
nsh | shit, really? | 14:42 |
ybit | *me b-day was yesterday so we've been having festivities all week* | 14:42 |
nsh | happy birthday ybit | 14:42 |
ybit | ty ty | 14:42 |
nsh | Ted Nelson is my kinda guy | 14:42 |
ybit | what are you two working on kanzure? | 14:42 |
ybit | is this at the siai? | 14:42 |
kanzure | ybit: no | 14:43 |
kanzure | though I did meet Eli two days ago, but anyway | 14:43 |
kanzure | ybit: We're working on a generic "hypermedia system" using zigzag. | 14:43 |
kanzure | so it's actually something that can be implemented, not one of his pipe dreams (sadly) | 14:43 |
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kanzure | "This new tool offers a Google Maps-like view of integrative genomic | 15:44 |
kanzure | data," said Jill Mesirov, | 15:44 |
kanzure | http://www.broad.mit.edu/igv/ | 15:44 |
kanzure | meh, not really apparently | 15:45 |
nsh | hrm | 15:49 |
kanzure | hurray! | 15:51 |
kanzure | I've been cited in a paper | 15:51 |
kanzure | I feel so special | 15:51 |
* nsh smiles | 15:52 | |
nsh | which? | 15:52 |
kanzure | http://www.springerlink.com/content/838234qr720218w8/fulltext.pdf | 16:00 |
kanzure | (it's open access) | 16:00 |
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kanzure | hrm | 16:12 |
fenn | where are you cited in that paper? | 16:15 |
fenn | oh i see it now.. for some reason search for 'biohack' didnt show it | 16:18 |
fenn | i wonder what they're spending $39 billion on for bio"bio-devense" | 16:28 |
fenn | any bets on how long til we have a 9/11-style power grab with synbio? | 16:41 |
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kanzure | power grab? | 16:58 |
* nsh wonders too | 16:58 | |
fenn | massive irrational restrictive laws for the purpose of profit and domination | 16:59 |
fenn | you know, more of the usual | 16:59 |
kanzure | hm | 16:59 |
nsh | oh | 16:59 |
nsh | bound to happen | 17:00 |
nsh | well | 17:00 |
nsh | hmmm | 17:00 |
nsh | computers seemed to escape it | 17:00 |
kanzure | :) | 17:00 |
nsh | but they don't present such a risk-opportunity | 17:00 |
nsh | (and once they began to [filesharing], the genie was out of the bottle) | 17:00 |
kanzure | Gene sharing: don't | 17:04 |
kanzure | oh wait, sex | 17:04 |
kanzure | hm | 17:04 |
fenn | conjugation | 17:08 |
fenn | though 'massive irrational restrictive laws' certainly applies to sex | 17:09 |
kanzure | why hasn't anybody been stupid enough yet to outlaw bacteria? | 17:10 |
fenn | it would put the doctors out of work | 17:11 |
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kanzure | we need a keyboard that is also a mouse | 17:50 |
kanzure | i.e., move the keyboard = move the mouse | 17:51 |
kanzure | no need to move fingers off of the keys | 17:51 |
nsh | eye tracking would be simpler | 17:52 |
kanzure | no it wouldn't | 17:53 |
nsh | mice work because the brain can easily map the proprioceptive feedback of moving the hand to the movement of the cursor | 17:53 |
kanzure | you ever inadvertedly eye breasts? | 17:53 |
nsh | obviously it'd be connected to a manual action too | 17:53 |
nsh | pressure with the palm engages eye tracking | 17:54 |
nsh | or whatever | 17:54 |
kanzure | ah, okay | 17:54 |
kanzure | that might be worth it. | 17:54 |
fenn | a one handed keyboard could gyro/accelerometers built in | 17:55 |
fenn | no reason not to do both really.. i hate how X limits you to one cursor | 17:55 |
kanzure | I haven't figured out how to make a one-handed keyboard | 17:55 |
nsh | mmm | 17:55 |
fenn | i'm thinking something that looks sorta like a squished tothpaste tube with buttons/capacitive sensors all over it | 17:56 |
kanzure | motorcycle bar | 17:56 |
kanzure | handbar thing | 17:56 |
kanzure | hm, no | 17:56 |
kanzure | I have images of these things somewhere | 17:56 |
kanzure | rabid archiving of alternative hand-to-computer interfaces | 17:56 |
fenn | chording keyboard development is at an all time low | 17:57 |
kanzure | hm | 17:57 |
fenn | "Peer to peer theory is part of those movements that think such | 17:57 |
fenn | autonomy-in-cooperation is possible as a higher potential of human | 17:57 |
fenn | kind, and therefore opposed to those who embrace the independent | 17:57 |
fenn | logics of the machine" | 17:57 |
kanzure | yeah? | 17:58 |
fenn | do you think he really means that cooperation and AI are opposed? | 17:58 |
kanzure | heh | 17:58 |
kanzure | somewhat | 17:58 |
kanzure | but I don't think he means "we can cooperate to not build UFAI" | 17:58 |
kanzure | rather I think he means "you are all jerks and should remember your contextualization" | 17:59 |
fenn | actually i was sorta wondering why you sent a 20 page bio of eugene leitl to all these people? | 18:00 |
kanzure | twobits.net looked like an interesting book that has some relevance to those people | 18:00 |
kanzure | the overall book at least | 18:00 |
kanzure | there's some context here of course | 18:00 |
kanzure | the freedomofscience.org people (Jonathan J or something) were distancing themselves from the transhuman tech stuff | 18:01 |
kanzure | same with Michel Bauwens and so on | 18:01 |
kanzure | and since evidently all of the definitions completely failed, I figured I'd send it off to them at once | 18:01 |
kanzure | just so that they know that they are generally on the same playing field in my opinion | 18:01 |
kanzure | kinda doing the same damn things ... | 18:01 |
fenn | what definitions? | 18:01 |
kanzure | well, like Wikipedia's portrayol of transhumanism | 18:01 |
kanzure | and WTA's and such | 18:01 |
kanzure | all that bullshit. | 18:01 |
fenn | hmm | 18:02 |
fenn | ok the leitl bio makes more sense now | 18:02 |
kanzure | hurray | 18:02 |
nsh | wtf is this "independent logics of the machine" | 18:02 |
kanzure | nsh: unexamined logics | 18:02 |
kanzure | so-called "logics" of course | 18:02 |
nsh | that's some weapons-grade balls | 18:02 |
nsh | there was the paste from, ybit? | 18:03 |
nsh | *fenn | 18:03 |
kanzure | 18:03 | |
kanzure | since hplusroadmap is dead for the time being | 18:03 |
* kanzure is still hunting for relayhosts | 18:03 | |
fenn | nsh: some more context: "are we fated to totally lose control of our socio-technical systems or not" | 18:03 |
kanzure | answer: yes | 18:05 |
kanzure | "our" => ambiguous | 18:05 |
fenn | bauwens seems to be ignoring the value of communications technology and the social structures it enables.. oddly enough | 18:05 |
fenn | maybe that's just my observer bias | 18:05 |
kanzure | what, like fiber optics? | 18:06 |
fenn | yes :) | 18:06 |
kanzure | methinks he might maybe know about ronja | 18:06 |
fenn | i wouldnt be having this conversation if not for fiber optics | 18:06 |
kanzure | or at least http://solarnetone.org/ now that I mentioned it to him | 18:06 |
fenn | another gnuveau.net alias | 18:07 |
kanzure | uh, well http://sleekfreak.ath.cx/ | 18:07 |
kanzure | right | 18:07 |
kanzure | 'Gnuveau proudly announces SolarNetOne, a solar powered multi-user Linux Terminal Server network, with integrated long range wireless access point, analog telephone adapter, proximity based security system, and many other features.Please click the image below for more information on the green computing solution SolarNetOne.' | 18:07 |
fenn | with annoying time-delay redirects :\ | 18:07 |
nsh | sweet | 18:07 |
kanzure | #solarnet-dev was kinda sorta idle | 18:08 |
kanzure | shogunx was showing up in here for .. a while | 18:08 |
kanzure | but he's mainly in #openmosix | 18:08 |
kanzure | #solarnet-dev on gnuveau.net's irc server | 18:08 |
fenn | ok well, imagine your ISP only had a wireless link to the rest of the net | 18:10 |
kanzure | bleh | 18:10 |
fenn | if done right it might not be bad at al | 18:10 |
fenn | but fiber is many orders of magnitude more efficient | 18:11 |
kanzure | me hasn't figured out how to make good fiber optics yet | 18:11 |
fenn | == costs less, as much as you think money doesn't exist | 18:11 |
* kanzure goes back to looking up autogoogler | 18:14 | |
kanzure | hm, but the presentation .. | 18:14 |
kanzure | hrm | 18:14 |
kanzure | "Search Assistant uses ontologically (WordNet) defined knowledge about words and embedded support of advanced Google-search query features in order to construct more efficient queries from formal textual description of searched information. | 18:18 |
kanzure | Semantic Search Assistant hides from users the complexity of query language of concrete search engine and performs routine actions that most of users do in order to achieve better performance and get more relevant results." | 18:18 |
kanzure | delicious | 18:18 |
kanzure | http://www.cs.jyu.fi/ai/OntoGroup/InBCT_May_2004.html | 18:22 |
kanzure | ' In spite of that, English language has smaller number of verbs than nouns (as counted in LINK TO MILLER'S WORK, Collins English Dictionary lists 43,636 different nouns and 14,190 different verbs.' | 18:24 |
kanzure | heh | 18:24 |
kanzure | "It is obvious that COME BACK AND DO THE ACTUAL WORK HERE shows that there's a number of important ..." | 18:24 |
fenn | its not like anyone ever looks at the footnotes anywya | 18:34 |
fenn | i wish wordnet would use comp sci terminology instead of linguistics terminology | 18:37 |
kanzure | Steve's been trying to get me to use state vector machines for autogoogler | 18:40 |
kanzure | 'Default values of R can be de_ned by Sense Processor (by methods described in previous section) and can be manually customized by user. Through graphical interface user can see the list of all senses for each word from the search query and chose relevances using sliders.' | 18:42 |
kanzure | (R is a measure of relevance or something) | 18:42 |
kanzure | but | 18:42 |
kanzure | sliders? | 18:42 |
kanzure | hell, I just want a list of 20 different queries that go off to execute all at once | 18:42 |
kanzure | not so much sliding but ... hm. | 18:42 |
* kanzure listens to http://heybryan.org/music2/radio/Animeacademyradio.m3u | 18:43 | |
fenn | combinatorial explosion | 18:44 |
kanzure | 'If the word was not found in WordNet database, value of relevance R and value of N for it are automatically initialized as 1. So the total quality will have maximum possible value equal to 1. This choice can be explained in such way: if WordNet doesn't contain some word from user query, it can be some specific term or expression, and it must be definitely included as is into new query.' | 18:44 |
fenn | google will get mad if you send 10^18 queries | 18:45 |
kanzure | meh | 18:45 |
kanzure | I'm not going to use Google | 18:45 |
kanzure | I don't have their SOAP stuff | 18:45 |
kanzure | but Yahoo! has been friendly with me :) | 18:45 |
fenn | blasphemy! | 18:45 |
kanzure | not my fault Google shut off their dev access | 18:45 |
kanzure | wouldn't have had to go to yahoo were it not for that | 18:45 |
kanzure | 'If there is only one word in search query, first 10 words from sorted array of Q's may be placed in new query.' | 18:46 |
kanzure | erm | 18:46 |
fenn | there ought to be some kind of distributed search algorithm | 18:46 |
kanzure | this doesn't explain the ways of manipulating the string though | 18:46 |
kanzure | just an array of a relevance gradient is stupid | 18:46 |
kanzure | distributed search algo | 18:46 |
kanzure | geeze, like wikia search | 18:46 |
kanzure | and gnucrawler or whatever | 18:46 |
kanzure | oh wait, Jimbo fucked that one up | 18:46 |
fenn | um, not wikia? i just mean something that runs on each web server that will dig through its own files (saving bandwidth) | 18:47 |
kanzure | wikia search was built off of some distributed p2p crawler code sort of | 18:47 |
kanzure | Google Sites has that .xml format for internal digging to be made public | 18:47 |
fenn | not a crawler at all, i mean a server side search | 18:47 |
kanzure | but meh | 18:47 |
fenn | when i ask you a question i dont tell you to tell me everything you know and then figure out the answer myself | 18:48 |
kanzure | k | 18:48 |
nsh | i don't think there was much there to fuck up at any point | 18:49 |
fenn | train of thought was like this: googl and yahoo have a natural monopoly because we can't have every computer crawling every other computer | 18:49 |
nsh | google and yahoo have a natural monopoly because they are not required by law to share their data | 18:49 |
nsh | which will never happen :-/ | 18:49 |
fenn | it's almost like people can't even imagine cooperating | 18:50 |
fenn | there's no way every computer on the net is ever going to be a perfect mirror of every other computer | 18:51 |
nsh | "it's the economy, stupid" | 18:51 |
fenn | what i'm talking about is like turning google inside out | 18:53 |
nsh | pls elaborate | 18:53 |
fenn | instead of having a crawler that downloads data from remote servers and then performs algorithms on that data, the crawler would upload algorithms to other servers which would then run them on their data | 18:53 |
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fenn | of course now you have all of the search queries running on all of the computers | 18:54 |
fenn | but i'm sure there's some way around that | 18:55 |
fenn | i just havent thought of it | 18:55 |
kanzure | belly of the beast | 18:56 |
fenn | you could do something like sorting by hash keys | 18:57 |
fenn | with a distributed hash table | 18:57 |
fenn | it could work | 18:57 |
kanzure | the semantic search facilitator has its full documentation on the page there | 18:57 |
kanzure | hrm | 18:57 |
kanzure | with a few source files mentioned but no links | 18:57 |
fenn | is it open source? | 18:59 |
kanzure | '[Paper] Context-Sensitive Multidimensional Resource Visualization' | 18:59 |
kanzure | it's using GPLed tools methinks | 18:59 |
kanzure | so it must be? | 18:59 |
kanzure | odd how few search results there are for SSA | 19:02 |
kanzure | *SSF | 19:03 |
kanzure | http://www.cs.jyu.fi/ai/vagan/ head of metaintelligence lab has an @yahoo address | 19:03 |
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kanzure | gahh | 19:16 |
kanzure | prototype written in java | 19:16 |
kanzure | so it looks like they were just building queries based off of an arbitrary measure of relevance according to WordNet, getting user feedback, and then running those queries | 19:27 |
kanzure | took them five months to do *that* ? | 19:27 |
kanzure | wtf | 19:27 |
kanzure | maybe I just have a disorder where everything seems simpler than it actually is | 19:29 |
fenn | me too | 19:29 |
kanzure | what gets me is the rules for assembling the new queries | 19:32 |
kanzure | it can't just be an array of strings | 19:32 |
kanzure | but an array of some linked lists of terms or something | 19:32 |
kanzure | or at least an array of recipes for the generation of the new queries or something like this | 19:32 |
kanzure | as you add each term there becomes an increasingly large number of different manipulations to do to the overall query, no? | 19:32 |
kanzure | so it looks like just an extend + recursion problem in that regard | 19:33 |
kanzure | i.e., for a query of length N recurse through all of the terms and do the manipulations | 19:33 |
fenn | seems they are trying to come up with the 'perfect' search query, when there's no such thing | 19:35 |
kanzure | correct | 19:35 |
kanzure | just mutations that you can do to the query / with the query | 19:36 |
kanzure | Tom McCabe, one of the guys living here (he's on acceleratingfuture.com/tom/ next to /michael/ (who also happens to be here), when asked if he had any original statements of his own to blurt out, answered, "I get everything from the internet. How could it be any different?" | 19:37 |
kanzure | bah | 19:37 |
kanzure | *here)) | 19:37 |
fenn | hm, that's too bad | 19:37 |
kanzure | ? | 19:37 |
kanzure | 'brain as a mutation engine' == too bad? | 19:38 |
fenn | everyone should come up with at least one new thing | 19:38 |
kanzure | heh | 19:38 |
kanzure | it's funny how we're all severely autistic | 19:38 |
kanzure | except Michael and the java programmer | 19:38 |
kanzure | well, by 'severe' I mean | 19:39 |
kanzure | to the extent that it's obvious we're pacing around in circles and ridiculous i.e. with http://heybryan.org/bryanmakesburger/ | 19:39 |
fenn | you said 'living here' i'm curious what the meatspace arrangement is like | 19:39 |
fenn | is there a house? a hotel? | 19:39 |
kanzure | renting a house yeah | 19:40 |
kanzure | so here's how it actually works | 19:40 |
kanzure | Anna, the facilitator who grabbed me from Austin, has been living with Steve since they were in high school or something | 19:40 |
kanzure | Anna takes care of Steve and makes sure he eats and i.e., doesn't die | 19:40 |
kanzure | *since after they were in high school | 19:41 |
kanzure | so they have a very small amount of cash that's running out a week after I leave | 19:41 |
fenn | heh nice brain pod | 19:41 |
kanzure | ? | 19:41 |
fenn | your burger.. n/m | 19:42 |
kanzure | oh, right :) | 19:42 |
biopunk | "this is your brain on drugs" | 19:42 |
kanzure | yeah, none of us really know how to cook | 19:42 |
kanzure | so it's awkward but whatever | 19:42 |
kanzure | "meh, just nuke it for a while" | 19:42 |
* fenn suggests using the internet | 19:43 | |
biopunk | done that | 19:43 |
kanzure | I was thinking of doing something like spotting Steve for a while | 19:43 |
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kanzure | until I realized I'm probably going down his same path anyway | 19:43 |
fenn | "Note that video games cannot be used to transmit technical knowledge" <- bullshit | 19:43 |
kanzure | where? | 19:44 |
* kanzure got off topic | 19:44 | |
fenn | http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/tom/ | 19:44 |
kanzure | heh, we all play Endgame fairly regularly :p | 19:45 |
fenn | well, its not my fault e:s is lacking in the technical knowledge department | 19:46 |
fenn | i think you'd need something like skdb to make it realistic though | 19:46 |
fenn | i.e. not like sid meyer's civilization game | 19:47 |
kanzure | tech trees in RTSes are of course relevant | 19:47 |
kanzure | if they actually were based off of realstuff | 19:47 |
kanzure | (the trees) | 19:47 |
fenn | eric hunting was obsessed with making a realistic space colonization game | 19:48 |
fenn | as a means to further the meme | 19:48 |
fenn | (and possibly attract funding) | 19:48 |
kanzure | wait, what? | 19:48 |
biopunk | uh oh | 19:48 |
kanzure | http://www.accelerationwatch.com/biotech.html 'Performance Limitations on Natural and Engineered Biological Systems' | 19:48 |
fenn | wait what what? | 19:49 |
kanzure | the game? | 19:49 |
kanzure | eric had a game? | 19:49 |
fenn | let me dig up some relevant emails | 19:49 |
kanzure | ' "Engineering RNA Logic with Synthetic Splicing Ribozymes" ' | 19:53 |
fenn | ah here we go, a typical novel-length exposition: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/luf-team/message/8313 | 19:54 |
kanzure | I don't know how Eric keeps beating the shit out of my lengthy messages | 19:55 |
fenn | it's really something isnt it | 19:55 |
fenn | i guess he got bummed out about it after trying to contact several video game publishers | 19:56 |
kanzure | wrong way to go about it | 19:57 |
* kanzure is a homebrew indie video game programmer | 19:57 | |
fenn | more about it here http://tmp2.wikia.com/wiki/M3_Game_Project | 19:57 |
kanzure | hm, I need to get back to the query generator | 20:00 |
kanzure | ljfkladfjlkasfj;kadsfjkas | 20:00 |
kanzure | heh | 20:07 |
kanzure | import ontology from dna mutation | 20:07 |
kanzure | insertion, deletion, frameshift, and that other thingy | 20:07 |
kanzure | and then I'll just manually select from a 'tag cloud' of the sort in typespeed | 20:08 |
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kanzure | static-151-201-29-168.pitbpa.east.verizon.net. | 20:28 |
kanzure | any of us? | 20:28 |
kanzure | the neurocommons-rdf guys are wondering | 20:28 |
kanzure | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8162700386327580205&ei=SfeYSOXkGYGYqQOJ6NjLDA&q=pinky+%26+the+brain&vt=lf | 21:11 |
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kanzure | shit | 21:23 |
kanzure | http://grey.colorado.edu/emergent/index.php/Comparison_of_Neural_Network_Simulators | 21:23 |
kanzure | crap | 21:29 |
kanzure | there's a deb file | 21:29 |
kanzure | http://grey.colorado.edu/emergent/index.php/Main_Page | 21:29 |
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kanzure | crap, it's O'Reilly | 21:33 |
* kanzure knows why Superkuh had an interest in him | 21:33 | |
kanzure | http://grey.colorado.edu/emergent/index.php/Screenshots | 21:37 |
kanzure | http://grey.colorado.edu/emergent/index.php/Build_From_Package_Ubuntu | 21:40 |
kanzure | where do these projects come from? | 21:41 |
fenn | "What we've seen of these modifications so far is that they always introduce a range of unanticipated side effects (mice with better memories have pain intolerance and social problems, for example)" | 22:19 |
fenn | he forgot to mention they always try to take over the world | 22:19 |
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fenn | heh pinky shoulda frozen solid when he stuck his tongue on that ice-9 | 22:22 |
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