| --- Day changed Thu Aug 14 2008 | ||
| bkero | kanzure: Have you ever watched Regenesis? | 01:07 |
|---|---|---|
| kanzure | No. Link? | 01:07 |
| kanzure | The TV show? | 01:07 |
| bkero | Yes | 01:07 |
| bkero | I ahve some up, not the first episode though | 01:08 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReGenesis | 01:08 |
| bkero | https://65.111.186.55/data | 01:08 |
| bkero | That | 01:08 |
| bkero | yes | 01:08 |
| kanzure | It would be neat if I could take away my thinking license when I know I'm incapable of generally doing it ... I think I spent the last hour trying to reconstruct a thought that would otherwise only take me a minute. And as soon as I touch the keys to record it, it escapes me again. Bah. | 01:18 |
| bkero | Haha | 01:57 |
| procto | bkero: last season of regenesis was so horrible | 02:01 |
| bkero | procto: Yea. :( I really hope they bring it back for another season though. | 02:01 |
| bkero | Because bad regenesis > no regenesis | 02:02 |
| biopunk | Cute that the guys name is David Sandstrom with dots over the o | 02:13 |
| bkero | indeed | 02:16 |
| bkero | Episodes 3-12 are available forom https://65.111.186.55/data | 02:16 |
| fenn | well this is starting to get old.. second person living at my house to have a schizophrenic episode in two months | 02:19 |
| bkero | Damn sir, you need to find some new roommates | 02:19 |
| biopunk | have you seen Army of 12 monkeys... maybe it's you | 02:20 |
| bkero | procto: It wasn't so horrible. I mean the cloning bob thing is kind of meh, but the seasno started out OK. It was just the ending that was completely wtfwtfwtf | 02:21 |
| fenn | bkero: those _were_ the new roomates | 02:21 |
| bkero | ew | 02:22 |
| bkero | fenn: Stop living with college students | 02:22 |
| fenn | they werent students | 02:22 |
| fenn | i dont think it's me, actually i think its a side effect of the mind control beams the CIA is beaming at my skull from cell phone towers around the house | 02:22 |
| bkero | You need to stop living with crazies heh | 02:23 |
| biopunk | fenn: hehe | 02:23 |
| fenn | kanzure: true names is kinda dated, we're basically living it right now: http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/Vernor Vinge - True Names.pdf | 02:24 |
| fenn | (i havent read it btw) | 02:24 |
| bkero | Fucking <3 Vernor Vinge | 02:25 |
| kanzure | I have a Vinge number of 2 now \o/ | 02:27 |
| kanzure | I seem to have a lot of so-and-so numbers of 2, actually. | 02:27 |
| kanzure | Kind of defeats the purpose if you never get a number-of-1. | 02:27 |
| kanzure | bkero: You wouldn't happen to know how to profit off of laziness, would you? | 02:28 |
| fenn | erdos is dead; long live erdos! | 02:29 |
| bkero | kanzure: capital | 02:30 |
| kanzure | bkero: what the hell does that mean | 02:31 |
| fenn | some famous CS guru (wall?) claims the programmer's primary virtue is laziness | 02:31 |
| bkero | kanzure: If you have enough money you can live on interest | 02:31 |
| bkero | fenn: That would make sense, he did make python | 02:31 |
| bkero | er | 02:31 |
| bkero | perl | 02:31 |
| bkero | perl | 02:31 |
| bkero | perl | 02:31 |
| fenn | and look where it got him.. | 02:31 |
| kanzure | You sir, fail at the internet. | 02:31 |
| fenn | kanzure: you could make an air-hockey floor covering, for fatasses to glide along silently in the night | 02:32 |
| bkero | trying to play portal on my macbook... | 02:32 |
| bkero | fenn: I believe that's called a datacenter | 02:32 |
| kanzure | I doubt ideas are the problem in here | 02:33 |
| bkero | kanzure: You can be a spammer, that's pretty lazy | 02:33 |
| bkero | And assuming the russian mafia doesn't come after you, relative painless | 02:33 |
| fenn | seems like it would be easier to just set up a real business | 02:34 |
| kanzure | I don't like the idea of having to prove to other people that I should get food (aka whatever the result of running a business is supposed to be) | 02:34 |
| kanzure | seems like a silly idea | 02:34 |
| bkero | Just form a whuffie economy, that should cover it | 02:35 |
| biopunk | A lot of people who make fortunes do it cause it's to painful for them to work | 02:35 |
| kanzure | masochists? | 02:35 |
| biopunk | trading time for money is masochism | 02:35 |
| fenn | i feel like this whole 'profit off laziness' is part of a conversation i missed | 02:35 |
| kanzure | fenn: continuation of bootstrapping issues | 02:36 |
| biopunk | 'get more money by doing less' | 02:36 |
| kanzure | biopunk: stfu about money | 02:36 |
| biopunk | leverage | 02:36 |
| bkero | biopunk: that's referred to as management | 02:36 |
| fenn | "maximize the energy ratio" | 02:36 |
| * bkero is getting a bachelors in CS, bioinformatics, and a masters in business administration | 02:37 | |
| fenn | at the same time? | 02:37 |
| fenn | say.. is MBA really a masters degree? | 02:37 |
| kanzure | fenn: I'm going for manufacturing engineering + comp neurosci at the same time. So why not? | 02:37 |
| kanzure | hm | 02:37 |
| kanzure | they definitely claim MBA = MS | 02:38 |
| biopunk | ..the science of finance | 02:38 |
| bkero | When it's from the university of chicago, it is. | 02:38 |
| kanzure | science? | 02:38 |
| * kanzure laughs | 02:38 | |
| bkero | MBA is a masters in arts, becaues bullshitting == art | 02:39 |
| biopunk | CS had the same problem btw | 02:39 |
| fenn | so.. is there anything out there that isn't bullshit? | 02:39 |
| kanzure | what problem? | 02:39 |
| bkero | Computer Science is part of the engineering college at my school. | 02:39 |
| biopunk | the MS thing | 02:39 |
| fenn | i'm having trouble figuring out what to do | 02:40 |
| biopunk | MSc | 02:40 |
| kanzure | fenn: do you mean "do for money" or just "do do"? | 02:40 |
| fenn | well, both | 02:40 |
| kanzure | I'm trying to figure out how to make "do do" work without the "do for money" | 02:40 |
| fenn | i'm running out of my stockpiled bars of gold.. so | 02:40 |
| kanzure | I just want a fablab | 02:40 |
| kanzure | and some food in it | 02:40 |
| fenn | what would you do with a fablab? (assuming this means laser cutter, water cutter, milling machine, etc) | 02:41 |
| kanzure | stuff | 02:41 |
| kanzure | see, that's where laziness comes in | 02:41 |
| kanzure | I don't want to do a business since I won't want to actually do the 'work' or whatever it is that is considered 'work' | 02:41 |
| kanzure | I'd rather be doing my own other projects | 02:41 |
| biopunk | (I would make guns I think) | 02:41 |
| kanzure | sure, weapons would be worth exploring | 02:42 |
| fenn | i think the point of 'running a business' is that other people do the work | 02:42 |
| kanzure | but but | 02:42 |
| kanzure | so with a fablab, I'd get to be lazy in some productive manner | 02:42 |
| kanzure | but that would only be apparent really only to me it seems | 02:42 |
| kanzure | I mean, anybody who tinkers and such only sees the value of their tinkerings as first | 02:42 |
| kanzure | that's why it's called, uh, tinkering | 02:42 |
| kanzure | I guess I just need funding until I can get my hydrogen harvestors online :p | 02:43 |
| fenn | hmm your windchimes? | 02:43 |
| kanzure | (also until I hit a hydrogen cloud) | 02:43 |
| fenn | i dont think it's gonna happen | 02:43 |
| kanzure | the funding? | 02:44 |
| fenn | producing useful quantities of energy with parasitic generators | 02:44 |
| kanzure | wait, are we on the same wavelength here? | 02:44 |
| fenn | probably not | 02:44 |
| kanzure | suppose we have our 5 cubic ly hydrogen molecular cloud | 02:44 |
| kanzure | insert giant bulldozer | 02:44 |
| kanzure | pacman action | 02:44 |
| fenn | wah? why not just get it from a star? | 02:45 |
| kanzure | those things are hot | 02:45 |
| fenn | or a jupiter planet | 02:45 |
| kanzure | what do you have in mind? | 02:45 |
| fenn | well, the core of many giant exoplanets is metallic hydrogen, seems easier than flying around in circles for eons | 02:45 |
| fenn | but anyway, whats the point of gathering interstellar hydrogen | 02:45 |
| fenn | or any hydrogen for that matter | 02:45 |
| kanzure | silly dreams of transmutation of the elemnets | 02:46 |
| kanzure | *elements | 02:46 |
| biopunk | this is the 'build societies on Mars' dream? | 02:46 |
| kanzure | into the ingredients necessary for life or whatever other materials would be necessary | 02:46 |
| kanzure | what? | 02:46 |
| kanzure | no | 02:47 |
| fenn | biopunk: this is "build giant moonbrains in orbit around each other after eating the entire solar system" | 02:47 |
| biopunk | I've missed to much of the discussion I think | 02:47 |
| kanzure | fenn: is it? | 02:47 |
| fenn | sounds like it | 02:47 |
| kanzure | this is "find a way to make lazy work" | 02:47 |
| fenn | you need.. a business plan | 02:47 |
| kanzure | I guess calling it lazy is the wrong way to say it | 02:47 |
| fenn | waiting until someone gives you 99 exadollars is not a business plan | 02:48 |
| kanzure | correct | 02:48 |
| kanzure | theoretically this can be done for zero | 02:48 |
| kanzure | since money is just a societal layer app | 02:48 |
| fenn | you have to start with some credit to use zero dollars (money is credit anyway) | 02:48 |
| kanzure | what? | 02:48 |
| fenn | credit can be whuffie or the more traditional banking kind | 02:48 |
| fenn | like getting a loan | 02:49 |
| kanzure | Steve has it pretty good | 02:50 |
| kanzure | he doesn't have to concern himself with this | 02:50 |
| fenn | why not? | 02:50 |
| kanzure | somebody pledged herself to taking care of him | 02:50 |
| kanzure | caretaker | 02:50 |
| kanzure | he says she has "humanity points" | 02:50 |
| fenn | i doubt she can fund his stellaforming projects | 02:50 |
| kanzure | she can barely fund herself | 02:50 |
| fenn | ok, so its just redundancy | 02:51 |
| kanzure | ? | 02:51 |
| kanzure | you know, it actually shouldn't be this hard | 02:52 |
| kanzure | suppose you take a quick dive into the traditional agricultural lifestyle | 02:52 |
| kanzure | making the machines (openfarmtech, our buddies) to automate that isn't terribly hard, as long as you have those materials laying around or something | 02:53 |
| kanzure | but to begin with you can herd your own cattle and such | 02:53 |
| kanzure | so that problem is solved | 02:53 |
| kanzure | so until you do in vitro meat you'll have a bit more on your plate of course | 02:53 |
| kanzure | don't know what to do about metals though. .. cargo ship taking part of a junkyard or something? | 02:54 |
| fenn | you're demonstrating a systematic error in common sense | 02:54 |
| fenn | if it were so easy, why dont we have any automated agriculture yet? | 02:55 |
| fenn | and robotics research is expensive, so why start with a low yield research area like agriculture? | 02:55 |
| biopunk | I love the way you guys jump from 'no money' to terra forming | 02:56 |
| kanzure | well, I was thinking of the problem of how to get food | 02:56 |
| kanzure | biopunk: "no money" wasn't the problem though ... | 02:56 |
| fenn | kanzure: food is easy in america, there's dumpsters full of it behind every grocery store | 02:57 |
| kanzure | it's obtaining enough resources to get the cascading snowball effect | 02:57 |
| biopunk | trust me... spend to much time thinking about this and money will be | 02:57 |
| kanzure | fenn: yeah, but then you have to have a local fablab or something | 02:57 |
| kanzure | which means land cost thingy | 02:57 |
| fenn | land is negotiable for whuffie | 02:57 |
| fenn | it's not like they were using it anyway | 02:57 |
| kanzure | in a city? | 02:58 |
| fenn | if not in the city, then definitely in the country around the city | 02:58 |
| kanzure | presumably where those dumpsters are | 02:58 |
| fenn | i dont really see the need to be in a city though, except for publicity/community exposure | 02:59 |
| fenn | its not like you have massive shipments and need to be near docks or trains | 02:59 |
| fenn | eric hunting is always talking about how figuring out alternative lifestyles in inner cities is the future of hippie movements | 03:00 |
| fenn | but honestly it's harder than it sounds | 03:00 |
| fenn | there are so many stupid people in cities, at least in the country you can build a little island of sanity | 03:01 |
| fenn | at least until the cia starts shooting mind control beams at you | 03:02 |
| biopunk | With cults the problem is more often FBI I think | 03:05 |
| fenn | i wasn't talking about cults, just lack of stupid people | 03:06 |
| biopunk | I'm sure your cult is special | 03:07 |
| kanzure | wtf? | 03:07 |
| kanzure | what cult? | 03:07 |
| biopunk | It's sounds a bit cultish dont you think? | 03:07 |
| kanzure | money worship? | 03:08 |
| biopunk | common | 03:08 |
| kanzure | ? | 03:08 |
| biopunk | moving out on a piece of land and forming an own society to get away from the stupid people? | 03:08 |
| kanzure | sigh | 03:08 |
| kanzure | that's not really the point | 03:09 |
| biopunk | what is the point? | 03:09 |
| kanzure | bootstrapping/groundedness -- i.e., need to obtain/find resources within our lifetimes so that we can actually get the projects we're interested in, done/going/rolling | 03:10 |
| kanzure | by 'piece of land' that could just as easily mean 'fablab' | 03:10 |
| kanzure | even your 'business', Mr. Capitalist, would require some 'land' or address space or something | 03:11 |
| fenn | fablab is sorta undefined (unless you mean the specific project started at MIT) | 03:11 |
| kanzure | oh | 03:11 |
| kanzure | fablab = building + fabrication tech + lab stuff | 03:11 |
| fenn | yeah but what if you want a nuclear submarine, can you make that in a fablab? | 03:11 |
| kanzure | what other possible definitions could be used? | 03:11 |
| fenn | or a space shuttle | 03:11 |
| kanzure | why not? | 03:11 |
| kanzure | go make the equipment / go get the materials | 03:12 |
| fenn | um, space pier? is that fablab territory still? | 03:12 |
| kanzure | hm? | 03:12 |
| fenn | i'm just wondering at what point it stops being a fablab | 03:12 |
| kanzure | http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-space-pier.htm | 03:12 |
| fenn | because in my mind fablab is like something you stick in a basement | 03:12 |
| fenn | not something used to make megascale engineering projects | 03:13 |
| kanzure | hm | 03:13 |
| kanzure | I think you should certainly be able to make some of the engines required for the machines that you'd need to build it or something | 03:13 |
| kanzure | but obviously you don't have the whole planet inside your basement | 03:13 |
| ybit | anyone know where to find "Illustrated Guide to Home Chemistry Experiments" for free? | 04:05 |
| ybit | *on the net | 04:05 |
| kanzure | yawn | 04:10 |
| kanzure | that's easy | 04:10 |
| kanzure | woah | 04:11 |
| kanzure | apparently not | 04:11 |
| kanzure | I thought I had it | 04:11 |
| * ybit cross-posts | 04:32 | |
| kanzure | heh | 04:32 |
| kanzure | it occurs to me that just whispering 'bootstrapping' over and over again doesn't actually mean anything | 05:16 |
| kanzure | it's not a bootstrapping problem. that's only for the design compiler really. Everything else is a "please think of us when you have some material that we'd find useful" problem. | 05:16 |
| kanzure | wtf, AutoDesk is responsible for Maya ? | 05:50 |
| bkero | kanzure: Do you think the bootstrap will begin with debian? | 05:53 |
| bkero | debootstrap? | 05:53 |
| kanzure | Hm? | 05:53 |
| kanzure | apt-get needs to expand to more than just software | 05:53 |
| kanzure | apt-get me a coke | 05:53 |
| kanzure | (seriously) | 05:53 |
| kanzure | (though maybe not a coke) | 05:53 |
| bkero | I think that that functionaality won't get into apt-get, but is probably already implemented in aptitude | 05:55 |
| kanzure | bkero: we have our own version in here with 'agx-get' | 05:57 |
| kanzure | re: http://heybryan.org/exp.html sort of | 05:57 |
| kanzure | I should rename that file to suck.html because of how poorly I write. | 05:57 |
| bkero | lolmspaint | 05:57 |
| kanzure | dia, actually | 05:58 |
| fenn | dia svg export is busted | 06:30 |
| fenn | otherwise it would look better | 06:30 |
| fenn | every project should have one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipe-tan | 16:32 |
| kanzure | aren't those the OStans? | 18:24 |
| bkero | Yea | 18:24 |
| bkero | But Wikipe isn't an OS | 18:24 |
| kanzure | Bah! | 18:24 |
| kanzure | Tell that to the web 2.0 people | 18:24 |
| bkero | I will | 18:24 |
| kanzure | (please) | 18:24 |
| bkero | I fucking hate those idiots. | 18:24 |
| * bkero is a jaded internet 1.0 veteran. | 18:25 | |
| kanzure | back in my day, we flipped bits by extinguishing the bonfire | 18:26 |
| bkero | xkcd butterflies | 18:32 |
| kanzure | bah, my version doesn't require an hdd | 18:34 |
| kanzure | hm, somebody @ieee.org emailed me to offer a ride to the robotgroup meets | 19:18 |
| kanzure | http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/homestead/2004-August/thread.html | 19:57 |
| bkero | Robots | 20:19 |
| kanzure | Hm? | 20:23 |
| kanzure | ooh | 20:24 |
| kanzure | they call it 'procurement' | 20:24 |
| kanzure | http://www.purchasing.com/index.asp? | 20:24 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procurement | 20:25 |
| kanzure | 'codestiny' heh | 20:25 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_sourcing | 20:27 |
| kanzure | what are these 'supplier databases' that they mention? | 20:28 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNSPSC | 20:28 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAICS | 20:28 |
| kanzure | Hm. | 20:28 |
| kanzure | I wonder if this is RDFed ? | 20:31 |
| bkero | Procurement is just a lot of companies term for buying shit. | 20:53 |
| kanzure | of course | 20:55 |
| kanzure | but it has led me to some interesting sources | 20:56 |
| kanzure | http://sap.ittoolbox.com/groups/technical-functional/sap-log-pp/sap-repetitive-manufacturing-procurement-type-x-2255678 | 20:56 |
| kanzure | http://www.globalsources.com/ | 20:56 |
| kanzure | http://www.alibaba.com/ | 20:56 |
| bkero | http://www.unitednuclear.com | 20:56 |
| kanzure | http://www.sourcejuice.com/ | 20:56 |
| kanzure | Heh. | 20:56 |
| bkero | I order stuff from alibaba a lot. | 20:56 |
| kanzure | oh? | 20:56 |
| bkero | Yea | 20:57 |
| bkero | It's where people get the cheap shit they sell on ebay | 20:57 |
| bkero | only it's CHEAPER! | 20:57 |
| kanzure | I'm pretty clueless as to how these people run across these materials themselves in the first place. | 20:59 |
| kanzure | I'm /fairly/ certain it's mostly brownian. | 20:59 |
| kanzure | bkero: Where else do you order from? | 21:05 |
| kanzure | Have you ever seen the ridiculously high prices of Sigma Aldrich ? | 21:06 |
| * kanzure had to fix his logger | 21:09 | |
| kanzure | ps --no-heading -C xmms | awk '{print $1}' | [[ $? -eq 0 ]] && ctrlxmms info >> /home/bryan/xmms_playlist_2008-08-13.txt | 21:09 |
| kanzure | although if I was more manly I'd go edit the xmms codebase | 21:09 |
| kanzure | Don't know why it doesn't log my playlist automatically :-) | 21:10 |
| willPow3r | xmms2 | 21:14 |
| willPow3r | sucks | 21:14 |
| kanzure | hm? | 21:15 |
| kanzure | why's that? | 21:15 |
| willPow3r | they took away the frontend | 21:15 |
| kanzure | wtf? | 21:16 |
| * kanzure thought he had xmms2 installed and it looks fairly normal | 21:16 | |
| kanzure | maybe I don't. | 21:16 |
| willPow3r | which front end are you using? | 21:16 |
| kanzure | default installation | 21:16 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/shots/May26th02005_2.png | 21:17 |
| willPow3r | http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/wiki/FAQ#How_do_I_use_XMMS2.3F | 21:18 |
| willPow3r | thats not xmms2 | 21:18 |
| kanzure | maybe I'm behind because of the debian repos | 21:19 |
| willPow3r | perhaps. ubuntu doesn't offer regular xmms anymore | 21:19 |
| kanzure | how are they doing media players then? | 21:20 |
| kanzure | ubuntu is ridiculously popular | 21:20 |
| kanzure | so they must have something | 21:20 |
| willPow3r | they're all 3rd party clients | 21:22 |
| willPow3r | xmms dev are now only supporting the backend | 21:22 |
| willPow3r | i used to use slackware a few years ago | 21:22 |
| willPow3r | but decided i didn't have time for all the word required to keep it up to date | 21:23 |
| willPow3r | and ubuntu is impressive | 21:23 |
| willPow3r | word == work | 21:23 |
| kanzure | slackware was my first as well | 21:23 |
| willPow3r | its the best to learn on | 21:23 |
| kanzure | I kind of assumed all of that 'work' was normal (and it was, of course) | 21:24 |
| kanzure | hm, how does one go about convincing wine that the service packs are installed? | 21:25 |
| willPow3r | regedit | 21:26 |
| willPow3r | ubuntu uses amarok | 21:29 |
| willPow3r | which i find far superior | 21:29 |
| willPow3r | to anything else | 21:30 |
| elias` | amarok dies when you have >10,000 songs or so | 21:31 |
| kanzure | bwahah | 21:31 |
| * kanzure looks at his 130 GB collection | 21:31 | |
| willPow3r | i have 18556 songs | 21:31 |
| willPow3r | and amarok runs fine | 21:31 |
| kanzure | (labmusic) | 21:31 |
| elias` | well, it has died for me several times in the past. | 21:31 |
| willPow3r | just use the mysql database instead of the sqlite | 21:32 |
| elias` | I did | 21:32 |
| elias` | and postgresql | 21:32 |
| willPow3r | i have a very powerful machine too | 21:32 |
| willPow3r | i suppose that helps | 21:32 |
| willPow3r | when was the last time you used it? | 21:32 |
| willPow3r | 2.0 is out now | 21:32 |
| elias` | probably 1-2 years ago | 21:32 |
| elias` | sucks though that it requires X | 21:33 |
| willPow3r | it uses the xine engine | 21:33 |
| elias` | i.e. should have a backend that would run when X goes down | 21:33 |
| willPow3r | so its really just a music organizer mostly | 21:33 |
| kanzure | whether or not you have a powerful machine shouldn't matter | 21:39 |
| willPow3r | it does when searching the collection database | 21:40 |
| bkero | kanzure: I get stuff from alibaba, ebay, japanese ebay, craigslist, and samart | 22:03 |
| kanzure | samart? | 22:04 |
| bkero | somethingawful mart | 22:07 |
| kanzure | heh | 22:07 |
| bkero | indeed | 22:07 |
| bkero | oh and newegg and batteryspace | 22:07 |
| kanzure | a few months ago I was just about to write a spider to search for geospatially local 'junk' that may be of interest | 22:13 |
| kanzure | and then I moved into a dorm and most of my junkspace is now only virtual | 22:13 |
| kanzure | hrm | 22:22 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/shots/2008-08-14_AutoDesk_is_a_hog.png | 22:22 |
| kanzure | "The following wll be installed: <list of all software products ever>" | 22:23 |
| bkero | Freecycle is a mailing list of stuff like that | 22:33 |
| bkero | Wow thats stupid | 22:33 |
| kanzure | yeah, I'm on freecycle | 22:34 |
| bkero | Sweet, got my friends to make elctric bicycles. :) | 22:34 |
| kanzure | hm, it seems to freeze while installing all of those silly packages | 22:34 |
| * bkero is not surprised. | 22:35 | |
| willPow3r | use qemu | 22:36 |
| willPow3r | with kvm | 22:36 |
| bkero | I'd use xen or kqemu | 22:36 |
| bkero | kqemu=kvm :P | 22:36 |
| willPow3r | kqemu == deprecated | 22:36 |
| bkero | Heh | 22:36 |
| * bkero uses xen on his colo to run windows xp for the deluge-torrent project. | 22:37 | |
| willPow3r | i use vista in qemu/kvm | 22:37 |
| bkero | None of my computers are fast enough to run vista. :( | 22:37 |
| bkero | Especially to virtualize it on top of another operating system. | 22:37 |
| willPow3r | its actually lighter weight than xp | 22:37 |
| willPow3r | and installs a lot faster | 22:37 |
| bkero | Not sure I believe that | 22:37 |
| bkero | It's > 10GB | 22:38 |
| bkero | The minimum requirements are also 10x what XPs are. | 22:38 |
| bkero | (literally) | 22:38 |
| willPow3r | i must be spoiled then | 22:39 |
| * bkero has an 8 core harpertown system with 12GB ram running at 4.25GHz. It still runs vista like shit. | 22:40 | |
| willPow3r | why would you install vista on something like that anyway? | 22:41 |
| willPow3r | its designed for home/corporate use | 22:42 |
| bkero | I wanted to try it out | 22:42 |
| kanzure | bkero: How do you afford this? | 22:42 |
| bkero | It's my desktop | 22:42 |
| bkero | kanzure: I'm interning at intel. The processors were $150 | 22:42 |
| kanzure | I just got a quadcore with 4 GB RAM and it wasn't cheap | 22:42 |
| kanzure | ah | 22:42 |
| kanzure | bastard | 22:42 |
| bkero | q6600s are < $200 how | 22:42 |
| kanzure | isn't that cheating? | 22:42 |
| bkero | No, what's cheating is using my landlords intel discount to get 8-core nehalems | 22:42 |
| bkero | Even ater I leave | 22:42 |
| bkero | The nehalems ahve hyperthreading too, so that's 32 logical cores. That should be enough for what I have in mind. | 22:43 |
| bkero | I'm making an 8gb ramdisk, and copying rootfs onto it from the initrd, then pivot_rooting onto the ramdisk. So I'll have about 8GB/sec of disk throughput. | 22:44 |
| * kanzure cries | 22:44 | |
| elias` | IBM's Quasar project seems pretty interesting, "And then IBM still has the Quasar project lurking in the background, where it's combining Power and Cell chips." (from some article about a month ago) | 22:44 |
| bkero | Power chips begot the Cell. O_o At the OSL we have an IBM QS20, which is a bladecenter filled with cells. | 22:45 |
| bkero | It's supported under gentoo ppc64. | 22:45 |
| elias` | I wish I could afford a QS2[0-9] | 22:45 |
| bkero | http://powerdev.osuosl.org/ | 22:46 |
| elias` | although QS22 was the highest last I checked | 22:46 |
| bkero | They have dual 1200w PSUs, hehe | 22:46 |
| bkero | One "blew", so we got a new one through warranty. I use the other one at home for welding. | 22:46 |
| kanzure | fixme:msi:MSI_OpenDatabaseW open failed r = 80030050 for L"Z:\\mnt\\maxtor\\all\\autodesk\\inventor\\LibraryContent\\ContentLibrarySetup.exe" | 22:46 |
| elias` | will probably just get a PS3 for cheap processing power | 22:46 |
| kanzure | bkero: What does your lab actually /do/ ? | 22:47 |
| kanzure | or group I mean | 22:47 |
| bkero | I'd ercommend an xbox 360 for that purpose elias` | 22:47 |
| kanzure | besides have awesome machines | 22:47 |
| bkero | kanzure: I host projects. | 22:47 |
| kanzure | And that's all the lab does ? | 22:47 |
| kanzure | giving you time to play? | 22:47 |
| bkero | Well, no | 22:47 |
| elias` | bkero: can you actually run arbitrary code in it? | 22:47 |
| bkero | Part of the lab works on prjoects like the OLPC, OpenMoko, and smoe others | 22:47 |
| bkero | elias`: people hacked linux on it | 22:47 |
| kanzure | So sit around coding for OpenMoko and playing on cell phones, then? | 22:47 |
| bkero | It's 3 dual-core G5's at 3GHz. | 22:48 |
| bkero | I don't, the devs do | 22:48 |
| bkero | I host this shit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Source_Lab | 22:48 |
| kanzure | then what do /you/ do? | 22:48 |
| elias` | Cell would be sexier :p | 22:48 |
| kanzure | Freenode is hosted? | 22:48 |
| * kanzure thinks that SKDB would look good on that list | 22:48 | |
| bkero | I administer the powerdev accounts, and handle administration for some Gentoo, MythTV, Freenode, NSLU2-Linux, and the linux kernel. | 22:48 |
| kanzure | especially re: http://fabuntu.org/ re: open source labs | 22:49 |
| kanzure | I see | 22:49 |
| kanzure | anyway, I have to run off to go battle robots and such | 22:49 |
| bkero | Just put in a big order at Newegg. PS2 to USB converter, 2x 3.5" sata->USB enclosures, a 4-port USB hub, 250gb 2.5" IDE hd, and a killawatt | 22:50 |
| bkero | Going to put a second hard drive in my macbook. This 16GB SSD just isn't cutting it. | 22:50 |
| willPow3r | how's the ssd on battery life? | 22:50 |
| bkero | I get about 20 extra minuets depending on usage | 22:50 |
| bkero | BUT that's not why I got it | 22:51 |
| willPow3r | hm | 22:51 |
| willPow3r | i was under the impression that standard drives were more efficient | 22:51 |
| kanzure | erm | 22:51 |
| bkero | http://staff.osuosl.org/~bkero/MacbookHDTune.png | 22:51 |
| bkero | http://staff.osuosl.org/~bkero/mtron.jpg | 22:51 |
| kanzure | but wine can run \autodesk\\inventor\\LibraryContent\\ContentLibrarySetup.exe | 22:51 |
| kanzure | wtf, what's the deal here | 22:51 |
| willPow3r | could be an msi issue | 22:52 |
| bkero | SSDs are more efficient. :P Show me any benchmarks to prove otherwise. | 22:52 |
| kanzure | oh | 22:52 |
| kanzure | it's probably a Z:\\ issue | 22:52 |
| kanzure | possibly a chmod issue ? | 22:53 |
| willPow3r | its just what i read somewhere | 22:53 |
| elias` | seems there are some bad SSD's wrt power usage though | 22:55 |
| bkero | Before I got my mtron ssd I had a sata->cf | 22:56 |
| bkero | that got slightly better battery life | 22:56 |
| bkero | Fuck, it's 100 degrees here. | 23:23 |
| bkero | I moved to oregon to leave that shit | 23:23 |
| willPow3r | coastal oregon? | 23:32 |
| bkero | Portland area | 23:44 |
| bkero | West portland | 23:44 |
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