| --- Day changed Wed Aug 20 2008 | ||
| kanzure | why do they make it hard to steal these papers | 02:07 |
|---|---|---|
| willPow3r | it gives their it departments something to do | 02:22 |
| kanzure | they have it departments?? | 02:22 |
| willPow3r | IT | 02:23 |
| kanzure | yes, I know what it is | 02:23 |
| fenn | who's on first | 02:23 |
| kanzure | who? | 02:23 |
| fenn | WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION | 02:23 |
| kanzure | then who's on second? | 02:24 |
| kanzure | Hey Phreedom. | 03:14 |
| Phreedom | hi | 03:14 |
| kanzure | Hey chizu. | 03:58 |
| kanzure | http://colorforth.com/ | 04:02 |
| kanzure | http://forthworks.com/c4th | 04:05 |
| fenn | its like python, but less powerful | 04:08 |
| fenn | and seriously, what's with that font? | 04:09 |
| willPow3r_ | whats wrong with comic sans? | 04:10 |
| marainein | hi | 06:16 |
| willPow3r_ | whats up marainein | 06:53 |
| marainein | hey willPow3r_ | 06:53 |
| marainein | have i met you before? | 06:54 |
| marainein | if not, then hi | 06:56 |
| marainein | what sort of things are you interested in? | 06:57 |
| willPow3r_ | neural engineering | 06:57 |
| marainein | can you tell me what exactly that is? | 06:58 |
| willPow3r_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neural_engineering | 06:59 |
| willPow3r_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroprosthetics | 07:00 |
| marainein | are you an amateur neural engineer, or pro? | 07:02 |
| willPow3r_ | student, actually | 07:03 |
| marainein | me too | 07:05 |
| marainein | studying neuroscience? | 07:05 |
| willPow3r_ | yep | 07:10 |
| willPow3r_ | where are you studying? | 07:10 |
| marainein | molecular biology | 07:13 |
| marainein | mainly interested in rejuvenation therapies, aubrey de grey, etc | 07:13 |
| marainein | although other stuff also holds interest for me | 07:13 |
| willPow3r_ | biogerontology | 07:14 |
| marainein | but i have to concentrate on something, and life extension seemed to be the right thing to take care of first | 07:14 |
| marainein | yup | 07:14 |
| kanzure | wtf | 18:26 |
| kanzure | Stewart Brand did "Whole Earth Magazine" for the California 60s hippie communes | 18:26 |
| kanzure | :) | 18:26 |
| fenn | it was sort of its own culture | 18:32 |
| kanzure | does this mean I'm a hippie? | 18:34 |
| fenn | let me know if you figure that out | 19:15 |
| kanzure | http://collabedit.com/ | 21:27 |
| kanzure | real time collaborative writing via xmlhttprequests ? | 21:27 |
| kanzure | http://collabedit.com/display?id=99f0f47a50856b95e2fd8447667db9f2 | 21:28 |
| kanzure | kind of hard to figure out who's writing what | 21:28 |
| nsh | DOIN IT WRONG | 21:32 |
| * nsh thinks anything involves xmlrpc must be doing it wrong by default | 21:32 | |
| nsh | , checks | 21:32 |
| fenn | what's wrong with xmlrpc? | 21:34 |
| nsh | i don't know; what's right with it? | 21:35 |
| nsh | nah, i guess i was too quick to judge | 21:37 |
| nsh | if they got rid of the xml and the rpc parts, it's actually a nice implimentation | 21:37 |
| fenn | ah, so. | 21:38 |
| kanzure | rpc? | 21:38 |
| fenn | remote procedure call | 21:38 |
| nsh | remote procedure call | 21:38 |
| fenn | its a way of moving data around | 21:39 |
| nsh | which is techbunkum-talk for "request" | 21:39 |
| nsh | and xml which is web-fetishism for "structure data" | 21:39 |
| kanzure | wikipedia is surprisingly unhelpful here | 21:39 |
| kanzure | is it just an abstract concept? | 21:39 |
| nsh | so, a way of requesting structuer data with minimal overhead | 21:39 |
| nsh | is a pretty good, if trivial, idea | 21:39 |
| kanzure | like, wget the data struct? | 21:39 |
| nsh | could look at it like that | 21:39 |
| fenn | rpc is an old unix protocol for inter-process communication | 21:40 |
| kanzure | oh | 21:40 |
| kanzure | x server to app communication? | 21:40 |
| kanzure | and such? | 21:40 |
| bkero | Sort of | 21:40 |
| fenn | its like dcop | 21:40 |
| bkero | App to app communication | 21:40 |
| nsh | except doing anything with xml is just asking for some idiot to "EXTENSIBILISE" it | 21:40 |
| kanzure | hm. | 21:40 |
| nsh | into some clunky pile of balls | 21:40 |
| * nsh checks SOAP to confirm suspicions | 21:40 | |
| kanzure | of course throwing collabedit.com into a browser is rather stupid | 21:40 |
| kanzure | it should be a standalone app IMHO | 21:41 |
| nsh | "SOAP once stood for 'Simple Object Access Protocol' but this acronym was dropped with Version 1.2 of the standard, as it was considered to be misleading." | 21:41 |
| bkero | XMLRPC is for people who have huge boners about their Dewey-decimal organized book collection. | 21:41 |
| fenn | well it seems to work for what it is | 21:41 |
| * nsh smiles | 21:41 | |
| nsh | i'm just a cynic. don't need to mind me :-) | 21:41 |
| * bkero is a bittered web 1.0 veteran. | 21:41 | |
| fenn | bkero: you're just jealous of my huge dewey decimal system | 21:42 |
| bkero | fenn: That's exactly what it is. | 21:42 |
| bkero | jealousy, not loathing | 21:42 |
| nsh | loathing is a more refined sentiment, that takes years of studied practice | 21:43 |
| nsh | i often feel that i am approaching the cusp of loathing | 21:43 |
| fenn | fwiw i thought netscape was a step down from mosaic.. | 21:43 |
| nsh | but like all forms of enlightenment, the destination is ever one step further | 21:43 |
| * nsh thought SQL was a stepdown from flatfiles and perl | 21:43 | |
| fenn | hmm.. | 21:44 |
| kanzure | SQL isn't really a server query language | 21:44 |
| kanzure | it's a "subcomponent of a server query language' | 21:44 |
| kanzure | " | 21:44 |
| bkero | It's structured query language | 21:44 |
| * kanzure smacks his head | 21:44 | |
| * nsh watches more banal american television | 21:45 | |
| bkero | You should try using an ANSI complient SQL implementation. :) | 21:45 |
| fenn | 60MB left on the paranoia agent download | 21:45 |
| bkero | Is IE still based off of Mosaic? | 21:46 |
| biopunk | isn't mozilla? | 21:47 |
| kanzure | http://surfraw.alioth.debian.org/ | 21:47 |
| kanzure | Surfraw - Shell Users' Revolutionary Front Rage Against the Web | 21:47 |
| bkero | Er, no. | 21:47 |
| kanzure | 'Surfraw provides a fast unix command line interface to a variety of popular WWW search engines and other artifacts of power. It reclaims google, altavista, babelfish, dejanews, freshmeat, research index, slashdot and many others from the false-prophet, pox-infested heathen lands of html-forms, placing these wonders where they belong, deep in unix heartland, as god loving extensions to the shell.' | 21:47 |
| bkero | Mozilla uses the gecko rendering engine. | 21:47 |
| biopunk | I thought mosaic becam that | 21:48 |
| biopunk | became | 21:48 |
| kanzure | wait, are we seriously all awake at the same time? wtf? | 21:48 |
| bkero | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trident_(layout_engine) | 21:48 |
| biopunk | hehe | 21:48 |
| biopunk | bkero: checking | 21:48 |
| fenn | netscape/mozilla just covertly swooped on mosaic hq and kidnapped all their programmers, but it doesnt contain any mosaic code | 21:49 |
| kanzure | I was hoping to use Gecko, KHTML, GtkHTML, WebKit or "that other one" once for 'my own browser' | 21:49 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/projects/browsehack/tabtabtab.html | 21:49 |
| kanzure | what I want is a fully scriptable browser that isn't single threaded and that doesn't suck | 21:49 |
| bkero | I used skipstone for a long time because I didn't want to install GTK. | 21:49 |
| biopunk | "Mosaic's direct descendent on the coder line, via Marc Andreessen, was Netscape Navigator. Netscape Navigator's code descendent was Mozilla Firefox. | 21:50 |
| bkero | kanzure: Have you looked into links v2? | 21:50 |
| kanzure | I want something that manly and that can handle the hundreds of tabs I have open | 21:50 |
| biopunk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosaic_(browser) | 21:50 |
| kanzure | bkero: links2? yeus | 21:50 |
| kanzure | yes | 21:50 |
| kanzure | wait, maybe not | 21:50 |
| bkero | kanzure: Firefox 3 has 45 tabs open on my laptop right now. 21% cpu, 173MB ram. | 21:50 |
| kanzure | dillo, emc, links, links2, emacs shell line browser thingy, ... | 21:50 |
| kanzure | hahah | 21:51 |
| kanzure | 45 tabs | 21:51 |
| kanzure | you're a lightweight :) | 21:51 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/shots/2008-03-23_autoscholar.png <--- | 21:51 |
| kanzure | anyway, it's silly how browsers are written | 21:52 |
| kanzure | of course, the web isn't any better | 21:52 |
| kanzure | not inspiring the best of human thought obviously | 21:52 |
| bkero | kanzure: You could start by ditching kde. :P | 21:52 |
| kanzure | probably | 21:53 |
| bkero | That's just a personal nitpick. | 21:53 |
| * kanzure had to do a vertical tab bar hack to kde's kdebase kicker thingy. Didn't submit the patch yet ... it's been five months. Should probably look into this. | 21:53 | |
| bkero | I liked E17, WindowMaker, GNUStep, XFCE(to a lesser extent), ion3, and now i'm a wmii whore. | 21:53 |
| kanzure | I used to really like fvwm95 | 21:53 |
| bkero | fvwm95 is what I would give to my mother if she had some computer training 10 years ago, and had only seen a windows 95 computer. | 21:54 |
| * biopunk is trying to find a way to rationalize buying an eee pc | 21:55 | |
| kanzure | I have your rationalization | 21:55 |
| kanzure | just a sec | 21:55 |
| bkero | http://xkcd.com/413/ | 21:56 |
| biopunk | hehehe | 21:57 |
| kanzure | http://www.asciilifeform.com/paralleleye/eye.html | 21:58 |
| nsh | kanzure++ for surfraw | 21:58 |
| kanzure | I think he wired it up to his eeepc | 21:58 |
| kanzure | nsh: hell yeah | 21:58 |
| fenn | surfraw doesn't really work anymore, all the url's have changed in the course of time | 21:58 |
| fenn | (unless someone fixed it) | 21:58 |
| kanzure | http://www.eventhorizons.com/projects/P4/p4.html | 21:59 |
| kanzure | right | 21:59 |
| nsh | i'd have thought it would check for updates from a user-collaborative wiki thing | 21:59 |
| kanzure | it's not that easy, nsh | 21:59 |
| nsh | meh | 21:59 |
| nsh | everything's easy | 21:59 |
| kanzure | it's easy to change the output of your website | 21:59 |
| kanzure | screen scraping enthusiasts know this. | 22:00 |
| nsh | sure | 22:00 |
| nsh | but | 22:00 |
| nsh | that's why there should be a firefox extension | 22:00 |
| nsh | that reports these changes | 22:00 |
| nsh | as firefox is connected to an intelligent html parsing device | 22:00 |
| nsh | (human) | 22:00 |
| kanzure | wah, firefox? | 22:00 |
| nsh | opera | 22:00 |
| nsh | whatever | 22:00 |
| kanzure | no, you understand that this isn't a browser, right? | 22:01 |
| nsh | point is, use people to get around changes to output interface | 22:01 |
| nsh | yes i know | 22:01 |
| kanzure | oh | 22:01 |
| kanzure | I see what you mean | 22:01 |
| kanzure | just track what the users are doing | 22:01 |
| nsh | yeah | 22:01 |
| nsh | there should really be a central database | 22:01 |
| kanzure | which can be used to script stuff like perl's cpan's WWW::Mechanize | 22:01 |
| kanzure | central repo like cpan or greasemonkey or something. | 22:01 |
| nsh | that browsers report to, to get around htmlcruft | 22:01 |
| nsh | right | 22:01 |
| kanzure | bugmenot and such. | 22:01 |
| * nsh nods | 22:01 | |
| nsh | cut through the web | 22:02 |
| nsh | for great justice and so on and so forth | 22:02 |
| * nsh checks some surfraw stuffs | 22:02 | |
| kanzure | supposedly browsers have the 'input form wizards' that automatically fill the forms out, but this is the suck | 22:02 |
| kanzure | I was going to throw autoscholar into surfraw, but then realized I hadn't written it yet | 22:02 |
| fenn | heh | 22:02 |
| fenn | if you know how get/post works it's quite easy to fabricate any form-based query | 22:03 |
| kanzure | right | 22:03 |
| * kanzure does it all the time | 22:03 | |
| kanzure | actually, on that note, twitter is one that is hard to fabricate | 22:03 |
| kanzure | I did it once, but then when trying it more recently I failed completely | 22:03 |
| fenn | are there any tools for vivisecting flash viewers? | 22:03 |
| kanzure | I went through all the motions -- fake user-agent, login with the cookies, etc. | 22:03 |
| biopunk | Private Eye P4 Head-Mounted Display | 22:04 |
| kanzure | fenn: might be with the 'hex' community (the flash one, not the real hex) | 22:04 |
| biopunk | it dispays the screen on the reina? | 22:04 |
| kanzure | biopunk: Nah. It's a HUD. | 22:04 |
| biopunk | so.. on glasses?.. I can't find a reflector | 22:05 |
| kanzure | http://profile.ak.facebook.com/profile5/1282/36/s5725275_6802.jpg | 22:05 |
| kanzure | Stanislav Datskovskiy | 22:05 |
| kanzure | it's a screen | 22:05 |
| kanzure | the EEEs are small enough to make a very good wearable | 22:06 |
| kanzure | connected to that sort of screen :) | 22:06 |
| nsh | EEEs? | 22:06 |
| biopunk | kanz: yeah.. don't huds display on a semi opaque plate? | 22:06 |
| bkero | Sort of | 22:06 |
| kanzure | biopunk wants to rationalize getting one of the Asus EEE PCs. | 22:06 |
| bkero | I had one | 22:06 |
| bkero | Small VGA LCDs like that are exceedingly expensive. :( | 22:07 |
| kanzure | biopunk: oh, I didn't know | 22:07 |
| kanzure | yep | 22:07 |
| kanzure | and apparently this had some nasty awesome resolution | 22:07 |
| bkero | much more than an eee | 22:07 |
| kanzure | but this was before the modern LCDs and such | 22:07 |
| kanzure | but for some reason had more resolution | 22:07 |
| kanzure | odd, eh? | 22:07 |
| biopunk | and it's from 89 | 22:07 |
| bkero | Yea | 22:07 |
| kanzure | 'The Private Eye P4 is a monochrome head mounted display manufactured by Reflection Technology in the early 1990's. The company seems to have gone out of business, but a sales brochure describing the device is available here, and a full set of developer's documentation lives here (permanent mirror here.) The display was distinguished by its relatively low price and high resolution (modern color micro-LCD HMD's are available with less than half the a | 22:07 |
| kanzure | 720x280 | 22:08 |
| bkero | Heh surfraw is in portage. | 22:08 |
| fenn | nasty awesome! | 22:08 |
| bkero | THat's lower than 640x480 | 22:08 |
| kanzure | http://web.archive.org/web/20050311025840/http://www.vr-systems.ndtilda.co.uk/priveye1.htm | 22:08 |
| biopunk | i guess it shines a lazer on the retina | 22:08 |
| bkero | In terms of pixel density | 22:08 |
| kanzure | wait, there are LCDs doing 640x480 now? | 22:08 |
| kanzure | I mean, | 22:08 |
| kanzure | small ones :) | 22:08 |
| bkero | Yea | 22:08 |
| bkero | Most are lifted from small projectors. | 22:09 |
| bkero | cell phones can do 640x480 too | 22:09 |
| fenn | i think a DLP mirror and RGB LED would make an awesome HUD | 22:09 |
| biopunk | I think the next generation of consolegames will come with goggles | 22:09 |
| kanzure | hah | 22:09 |
| fenn | i have some small mems mirrors but no documentation | 22:09 |
| kanzure | biopunk: they were saying that in the 70s | 22:09 |
| kanzure | there are many pictures of people looking like dorks with those vr goggles | 22:10 |
| kanzure | from that time period. | 22:10 |
| bkero | Hahahaha * You can try some searches, for example: * $ sr ask why is jeeves gay? | 22:10 |
| fenn | i'd rather have a saiya-jin battle meter | 22:10 |
| biopunk | but they are cool.. and it's a killer app.. like the wii movement sensoring thingies | 22:10 |
| kanzure | fenn: his power level is over nine thousand!! | 22:10 |
| bkero | Impossible! | 22:11 |
| nsh | LAZERS?! ON MY RETINALS? | 22:12 |
| fenn | obviously i used the wrong terminology, so what's it really called? | 22:12 |
| nsh | where do i sign up? | 22:12 |
| fenn | nsh: your local army navy recruitment center | 22:12 |
| kanzure | saiyan | 22:12 |
| biopunk | fenn: in the 90:ies | 22:12 |
| nsh | oh | 22:12 |
| nsh | they won't let me in anymore | 22:12 |
| kanzure | power level scouter thingy | 22:12 |
| kanzure | hm | 22:12 |
| biopunk | or the swedish army actually.. they had a system like that inside an old MBT | 22:13 |
| kanzure | http://www.myfavoritegames.com/dragonball-z/Info/Scouters.htm | 22:13 |
| kanzure | 'Scouters - were created by Frieza's scientists. It was made to help determine how strong a person was. It's worn around one eye and can detect power levels from miles away. It gives the power level in the form of a number, and so they compare the number to their own to see where they stand if they were to fight that person.' | 22:13 |
| fenn | scouter? did they do a new translation or something? | 22:13 |
| * kanzure remembers "Understand" (Ted Chiang) | 22:13 | |
| kanzure | it would be neat to do that geospatially and map "power users" (surfraw users?) | 22:14 |
| bkero | Are we seriously discussing dragonball z scouters? | 22:14 |
| kanzure | yes | 22:14 |
| nsh | apparantly... | 22:14 |
| nsh | nothing's off the table with good ol' kanz | 22:14 |
| bkero | comedy | 22:14 |
| kanzure | I used to run a dbz website | 22:14 |
| * kanzure hides. | 22:14 | |
| fenn | ugh that web page was talking at me!! | 22:14 |
| nsh | oh cool | 22:14 |
| biopunk | (no wonder I was lost) | 22:14 |
| nsh | where? | 22:14 |
| bkero | kanzure: I used to imm a dbz mud. ;) | 22:14 |
| kanzure | oh crap | 22:14 |
| kanzure | I probably showed up in it at one point, who knows | 22:14 |
| nsh | TALK AT ME INTERNETS | 22:14 |
| bkero | MUDs are old shit. | 22:15 |
| kanzure | I was all over the place. | 22:15 |
| nsh | why doesn't the internet talk at you in that robowoman voice from the 80's already? | 22:15 |
| kanzure | yeah, there were still some muds running in 2002 | 22:15 |
| nsh | i thought that was where all technology was heading | 22:15 |
| bkero | I ran it for like 6 years. I still have some source of it on a cd in my cd case. | 22:15 |
| bkero | kanzure: I ran this until about 2003-2004. | 22:15 |
| nsh | you know, that one that was in every film for about a decade | 22:15 |
| biopunk | people play muds on facebook | 22:15 |
| biopunk | big there | 22:15 |
| bkero | That doesn't count. | 22:15 |
| kanzure | Right, that's what my website was like. | 22:15 |
| kanzure | web-based 'rpg' | 22:15 |
| kanzure | and it sucked | 22:15 |
| fenn | mud on facebook? wtf | 22:16 |
| nsh | i thought facebook *was* an MUD | 22:16 |
| bkero | Fuck web-based RPGs. | 22:16 |
| * nsh feels conned | 22:16 | |
| bkero | I need to develop a MUD interface to facebook. | 22:16 |
| kanzure | bkero: yes, but I didn't have that sentiment back in the day | 22:16 |
| kanzure | I was too young to realize how much the web sucked. | 22:16 |
| fenn | mud is like IRC but you can kill the other people :) | 22:16 |
| bkero | That way I don't need to use their shitty web interface. | 22:16 |
| biopunk | they don't call it muds.. it's stuff like 'Wampire slayer' | 22:16 |
| nsh | isn't that just viral inanity? | 22:16 |
| kanzure | yes | 22:17 |
| biopunk | it's a new generation | 22:17 |
| bkero | I need to design a MUD interface to various web sites. | 22:17 |
| bkero | Like amazon | 22:17 |
| kanzure | I wonder if it's worth hacking a gameboy console or a lcd from an old phone | 22:17 |
| kanzure | a MUD for amazon? | 22:17 |
| kanzure | how would that work? | 22:17 |
| fenn | that's not a bad idea really | 22:17 |
| kanzure | "You've encountered yet another wish list!" | 22:17 |
| biopunk | stop... now | 22:17 |
| bkero | consider wish list | 22:17 |
| kanzure | "you've encountered bad html, error" | 22:17 |
| fenn | don't even think about it!! | 22:18 |
| bkero | go west to deviantart | 22:18 |
| kanzure | heh | 22:18 |
| kanzure | xkcd map of the internets | 22:18 |
| bkero | quaff unused menstrual blood | 22:18 |
| fenn | you feel ... emo | 22:18 |
| bkero | ACK! IVE BEEN POISONED! | 22:18 |
| kanzure | actually, even the screen from my digital camera would work | 22:19 |
| nsh | YOU HAVE BEEN EXILED TO LIVEJOURNAL | 22:19 |
| fenn | bkero attempts to flee, but the apathy is too strong! | 22:19 |
| bkero | cast surliness | 22:19 |
| biopunk | you feel weak | 22:19 |
| nsh | actually | 22:19 |
| nsh | you could use the xkcd internet map | 22:19 |
| nsh | hmm | 22:19 |
| nsh | this idea should not be drawing me in... | 22:20 |
| biopunk | for a nethack maybe | 22:20 |
| nsh | oh | 22:20 |
| nsh | what's that game | 22:20 |
| nsh | dwarf fortress? | 22:20 |
| bkero | yea | 22:20 |
| nsh | keep meaning to have a go | 22:20 |
| nsh | looks funny | 22:20 |
| fenn | hmm i should sell scouters on ebay | 22:20 |
| bkero | Try robotfindskitetn | 22:20 |
| bkero | Infinitely better. | 22:20 |
| nsh | *noted* | 22:21 |
| bkero | fenn: You could use an IR themometer with some maths attached. | 22:21 |
| bkero | The idiots wouldn't be able to tell a difference. | 22:21 |
| nsh | uh, is it infinitely better because it exists only in your mind, bkero? | 22:21 |
| bkero | nsh: no | 22:21 |
| fenn | he's emitting over 9 gigawatts! | 22:21 |
| bkero | games-misc/robotfindskitten | 22:21 |
| nsh | ah | 22:21 |
| bkero | Or RFK for short. | 22:21 |
| bkero | There's a version for every platform out there. | 22:21 |
| biopunk | the funny thing is the experience was every bit as real as people experience the MMORGS now | 22:22 |
| * nsh didn't notice obvious typo | 22:22 | |
| nsh | was like, robot finds kite tn? | 22:22 |
| bkero | No sir. Robots and kittens | 22:22 |
| nsh | ++ | 22:22 |
| bkero | robotfindskitten v1.4142135.349 | 22:23 |
| bkero | "Go back to Libraria!", says Pat Schroeder. | 22:23 |
| fenn | i think MUDs permanently warped my brain | 22:23 |
| nsh | come to think of it, why *isn't* the web implemented in ascii | 22:23 |
| nsh | http://www.robotfindskitten.org/ is the nicest website i've visited all day | 22:23 |
| kanzure | 'yet another zen simulation' ? | 22:24 |
| kanzure | hm | 22:24 |
| bkero | In this game, you are robot (#). Your job is to find kitten. This task | 22:24 |
| bkero | is complicated by the existence of various things which are not kitten. | 22:24 |
| bkero | Robot must touch items to determine if they are kitten or not. The game | 22:24 |
| bkero | ends when robotfindskitten. | 22:24 |
| biopunk | ..and steps on it | 22:27 |
| biopunk | I'm still fascinated by the fact that simulators can be used to learn real skills | 22:28 |
| bkero | Kittens are nice! Robots don't step on them. | 22:28 |
| fenn | hmm @ http://www.dvdactive.com/images/news/screenshot/2006/1/dor | 22:29 |
| biopunk | bkero: yes they do... when the screen is turned odd | 22:29 |
| biopunk | off | 22:29 |
| kanzure | image unavailable? | 22:29 |
| fenn | oops http://www.dvdactive.com/images/news/screenshot/2006/1/doragoni3.jpg | 22:29 |
| kanzure | hm. | 22:29 |
| fenn | no info on it though | 22:30 |
| biopunk | It looks like it may not be functional | 22:30 |
| fenn | yeah | 22:30 |
| kanzure | but | 22:30 |
| kanzure | you can mod it | 22:30 |
| kanzure | easily make the speaker and mic work, | 22:30 |
| fenn | i'm just trying to figure out how to attach the earpiece without looking dumb | 22:30 |
| kanzure | like hair behind it?: | 22:31 |
| kanzure | what's up with that in the pic anyway? | 22:31 |
| fenn | eh? | 22:31 |
| kanzure | normally people do direct ear to headphone contact | 22:31 |
| biopunk | few things are totally normal in Japan | 22:33 |
| fenn | this might work, but nobody would recognize it: http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc23/Burningvegeta/KrudulePurpleMFG-SaiyanElite.png | 22:34 |
| kanzure | I wonder if somebody with myostatin deficiency would look like a character right out of dbz | 22:35 |
| fenn | yes | 22:35 |
| kanzure | interesting. | 22:35 |
| fenn | add antigravity field and no shampoo for a month and their hair would look right also | 22:36 |
| kanzure | I think some fans might have already solved that one | 22:36 |
| biopunk | pong is a superower of sorts | 22:36 |
| biopunk | superpower | 22:37 |
| fenn | pong? | 22:37 |
| kanzure | bah, just do tien | 22:37 |
| kanzure | anyway | 22:37 |
| biopunk | fenn: slang for strong smell.. I think.. or used to be | 22:37 |
| kanzure | http://www.videogamesblogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/tien-in-dragon-ball-z-burst-limit.jpg | 22:38 |
| kanzure | I can't quite figure out what I would do with an lcd three or four inches in front of me | 22:38 |
| biopunk | ( http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pong ) | 22:38 |
| kanzure | unless I have a full keyboard and an internet connection | 22:39 |
| kanzure | the internet connections really, really cost | 22:39 |
| kanzure | $60/mo for a crap (unlimited) connection | 22:39 |
| biopunk | kanz: see.. i have the same problem with the eee pc | 22:39 |
| kanzure | I haven't tried the onboard keyboard so I can't quite tell you what it's like | 22:41 |
| kanzure | I've seen a few people with them though | 22:41 |
| fenn | just use 802.11 that's more or less ubiquitous? | 22:42 |
| kanzure | eh? | 22:42 |
| biopunk | making pokemons could be a nice biohacker project | 22:42 |
| kanzure | not around here :) | 22:42 |
| kanzure | biopunk: that's a huge genetic engineering project | 22:42 |
| fenn | instead of a gsm modem | 22:42 |
| biopunk | kanz: one could start with the easy ones.. like make a squirrel into lickitung | 22:43 |
| fenn | and who wouldnt want that: http://www.worth1000.com/entries/171500/171599bHjg_w.jpg | 22:44 |
| biopunk | hehehe.. girls? | 22:44 |
| kanzure | biopunk: ah, so you just mean "almost like the characters" | 22:44 |
| fenn | umm... no comment | 22:44 |
| bkero | kanzure: Do you really want to look like a dbz character? | 22:45 |
| kanzure | bkero: No, we were talking about displays. | 22:45 |
| kanzure | wearable computers | 22:45 |
| bkero | Oh | 22:45 |
| fenn | i was designing a HUD and it ended up looking sorta like a dbz "scouter" | 22:45 |
| * bkero was just looking at the dominant feature--the hair. | 22:45 | |
| fenn | so why not go all the way | 22:45 |
| kanzure | bkero: however, a myostatin deficiency would be ok | 22:45 |
| fenn | supposedly i look like vegeta :\ | 22:46 |
| bkero | lol terrible receeding hairline? | 22:46 |
| * bkero looks like bkero. | 22:46 | |
| * fenn grumbles | 22:46 | |
| * bkero is reflexive. | 22:46 | |
| fenn | kanzure: couldnt you just make some molecule that inhibits myostatin? | 22:47 |
| fenn | instead of going full gene therapy | 22:47 |
| fenn | monoclonal antibody for instance, but i'm sure there's more conventional chemistry ways to do it | 22:47 |
| kanzure | yes | 22:48 |
| bkero | lol | 22:48 |
| kanzure | apparently there's one like that already in fda testing | 22:48 |
| kanzure | so maybe we should just go look at the patents | 22:48 |
| kanzure | and see what they're doing | 22:48 |
| kanzure | http://www.biocompare.com/matrixsc/3194/2/6/23678/Myostatin.html | 22:48 |
| fenn | i wonder what the side effects are | 22:48 |
| kanzure | attractive women | 22:48 |
| kanzure | need to eat ridiculous amounts of protein? | 22:49 |
| bkero | Interestingly, whippets with the homozygous deletion also had an unusual body shape, with a broader head, pronounced overbite, shorter legs, and thicker tails. | 22:49 |
| fenn | but they are also bigger overall, so are the legs shorter proportionally or absolutely? | 22:50 |
| kanzure | 'As of 2005, no myostatin-inhibiting drugs for humans are on the market, but an antibody genetically engineered to neutralize myostatin was developed by New Jersey pharmaceutical company Wyeth.[20] The inhibitor is called MYO-029 and recently underwent testing however the results have not yet been made public.[21][22][23] Some athletes, eager to get their hands on such drugs, turn to the internet, where fake "myostatin blockers" are being sold.' | 22:50 |
| kanzure | hm, New Jersey | 22:50 |
| kanzure | we have a sympathizer there | 22:50 |
| kanzure | http://www.wyeth.com/ | 22:51 |
| biopunk | if one could just remove myostatin by filtering the blood it would be the perfect doping | 22:51 |
| * nsh reads http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28784?issue=4228&special=2001 again | 22:51 | |
| kanzure | http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/20441.php | 22:51 |
| nsh | because sometimes you have to | 22:51 |
| nsh | recombinant antibody? | 22:52 |
| kanzure | Media - Gerald Burr - Wyeth Pharmaceuticals - 484-865-5138 | 22:52 |
| kanzure | Investor - Justin Victoria - Wyeth - 973-660-5340 | 22:52 |
| nsh | there's a tiny little irish voice in my head saying "well there, what could possibly go wrong, eh?" | 22:52 |
| kanzure | http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?term=MYO-029 | 22:52 |
| bkero | What does removing myostatin do to muscle stem cells generation? | 22:53 |
| nsh | oh, doesn't mean what i thought it might | 22:53 |
| nsh | it's a growth factor iirc | 22:54 |
| kanzure | what's Stamulumab? | 22:54 |
| kanzure | aha | 22:54 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stamulumab | 22:54 |
| kanzure | 'Stamulumab (MYO-029[1]) is an experimental myostatin inhibiting drug developed by Wyeth Pharmaceuticals for the treatment of muscular dystrophy.Stamulumab (MYO-029[1]) is an experimental myostatin inhibiting drug developed by Wyeth Pharmaceuticals for the treatment of muscular dystrophy.' | 22:54 |
| nsh | "Myostatin (formerly known as Growth differentiation factor 8) is a growth factor that limits muscle tissue growth, i.e. higher concentrations of myostatin in the body may cause the individual to have less developed muscles. The myostatin protein is produced primarily in skeletal muscle cells, circulates in the blood and lymph and acts on muscle tissue, apparently by slowing down the development of muscle stem cells." | 22:54 |
| nsh | -WP | 22:55 |
| kanzure | 'However, as of January 24, 2008, the study has been accepted by a peer-reviewed journal and publication is expected "in the next few months"' | 22:55 |
| bkero | what does the body benefit by producing myostatin? | 22:55 |
| bkero | Or is it just a byproduct? | 22:56 |
| kanzure | limits to growth can be useful | 22:56 |
| fenn | bkero: benefits by not turning into a high metabolism freak | 22:56 |
| biopunk | I guess from an evolutionery perspective the body can go longer without food | 22:56 |
| bkero | True | 22:56 |
| fenn | also perhaps your heart isnt big enough to supply those muscles with oxygen? | 22:57 |
| kanzure | 'ACVR2B is similar to Stamulumab but is not an antibody; rather, it provides a portion of the molecule to which myostatin would normally bind thus preventing the myostatin from binding with the actual molecule' | 22:57 |
| bkero | But wouldn't your heart also grow stronger? | 22:57 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACVR2B | 22:57 |
| kanzure | looks like that's something we could grow in a bioreactor | 22:57 |
| biopunk | apparently mysostatin doesn't effect the heart | 22:57 |
| bkero | So they're just getting rid of the receptors instead of the myostatin. | 22:58 |
| kanzure | no | 22:58 |
| nsh | also | 22:58 |
| kanzure | ACVR2B is the gene for the receptor, it seems | 22:58 |
| nsh | i is almost certain to have more than one role | 22:58 |
| nsh | *it | 22:58 |
| biopunk | ..yeah | 22:58 |
| nsh | which is why i'm always a little dubious about pharmatwats trying to knock things out | 22:59 |
| biopunk | I would like to know a lot more before I'd start messing with receptors in myself | 22:59 |
| biopunk | biohacking is funny that way | 22:59 |
| kanzure | no, you don't mess with your natural membrane receptor proteins | 22:59 |
| kanzure | this is just something floating around in the blood | 23:00 |
| biopunk | there are unexpected outcomes all the time | 23:00 |
| bkero | Which is why there are test animals. :) | 23:00 |
| biopunk | hehe | 23:00 |
| bkero | kanzure: Do most animals produce mysotatin? | 23:00 |
| biopunk | "The animals are there for us to eat, wear and experiment on" | 23:00 |
| fenn | test animals can't show long term effects such as immune sensitization | 23:00 |
| nsh | yeah.. | 23:01 |
| fenn | i'd hate to be injecting acvr2b and then have my immune system attack it | 23:01 |
| bkero | That would make you feel pretty shitty. :/ | 23:01 |
| biopunk | filtering the blood is safer | 23:02 |
| nsh | i have sinking feelings about this kinda thing... | 23:02 |
| bkero | nsh: proactive genetic engineering? | 23:02 |
| fenn | it's not genetic engineering | 23:02 |
| nsh | (unexpected long-term immnological effects of novel treatments) | 23:02 |
| bkero | Or fucking with body chemsitry | 23:02 |
| bkero | (i was referring to the genetic mutation of doggies from the wikipedia article) | 23:03 |
| nsh | there's a fine line between paranoia and recklessness | 23:03 |
| biopunk | it's happening and we have to deal with it | 23:03 |
| biopunk | I wonder how electricity felt to people when that was new | 23:04 |
| fenn | i think the issue is that getting 'buff' isnt a serious enough goal to do risky things like messing with hormone levels | 23:04 |
| bkero | biopunk: ever see edisons demonstration on how easy it is for AC to kill an elephant? | 23:04 |
| bkero | There's video of it floating around online. | 23:04 |
| fenn | but hey, people take testosterone supplements all the time, it's probably a lot worse (since it affects your behavior also) | 23:04 |
| biopunk | no ;).. must have been a hoot at the time | 23:04 |
| biopunk | yeah.. the thing is if it can be done, there will always be people who will want to do it | 23:05 |
| * nsh hates edison | 23:05 | |
| bkero | People will extract blood, put it in the fridge, and reinject it later for performance benefit. :P | 23:05 |
| biopunk | human cloning is a good example | 23:05 |
| fenn | so, maybe myostatin-blockers will end up being safer and having less side effects than all the testosterone boosting supplements | 23:05 |
| nsh | bkero, finnish guy won a lot of running events by doing that | 23:05 |
| nsh | iirc | 23:05 |
| bkero | Yup | 23:05 |
| bkero | It's banned now | 23:05 |
| biopunk | blood doping | 23:06 |
| fenn | they should just ban athletics | 23:06 |
| kanzure | Most of all animals, yes, produce myostatin. | 23:06 |
| fenn | ban all athletes! | 23:06 |
| bkero | I'd like for them to allow all sorts of steriods and dopings one year just to see all the freaks that compete. | 23:06 |
| fenn | bkero: and put them all in a gladiator ring, battle to the death | 23:07 |
| bkero | Haha | 23:07 |
| kanzure | I agree that 'getting buff' is not a serious enough goal | 23:07 |
| nsh | oh man | 23:07 |
| nsh | they should have a freakolympics | 23:07 |
| nsh | neither's living forever, imho | 23:07 |
| nsh | well serious, maybe | 23:07 |
| biopunk | hehe.. that elephant is smoking | 23:07 |
| bkero | Yup | 23:07 |
| nsh | justifiable... | 23:07 |
| fenn | winner gets to be governor of california | 23:07 |
| bkero | *newsflash* ac kills people | 23:07 |
| * nsh chuckles | 23:07 | |
| fenn | bkero: not if it's over ~1kHz | 23:08 |
| nsh | of course, the argument was over what to use in power lines | 23:08 |
| biopunk | really? | 23:08 |
| fenn | (not that i'm suggesting to try it out) | 23:08 |
| nsh | so the killing elephant 'demonstration' was just stupid | 23:08 |
| biopunk | i'll send lickitung | 23:08 |
| bkero | I'll send magicarp | 23:08 |
| fenn | pikachu, i choose you! | 23:08 |
| bkero | biopunk: http://pown.it/1135 | 23:09 |
| biopunk | damn I hate picachu | 23:09 |
| biopunk | bkero: hehe.. i get it now | 23:10 |
| bkero | splash | 23:10 |
| bkero | So work just gave me a shiny stainless steel thermas. I'm thinking about making it into a capacitor. | 23:11 |
| nsh | thermos flask? | 23:11 |
| bkero | yea | 23:11 |
| nsh | that would be cool | 23:11 |
| bkero | I can probably get a farad out of it | 23:11 |
| nsh | oh, i wonder how the ultracapacitor guys are getting on | 23:11 |
| bkero | Not very good in terms of storing energy. :/ | 23:12 |
| biopunk | it sounds a bit dangorous | 23:12 |
| bkero | (for periods of time) | 23:12 |
| nsh | they were supposed to be making batteries obsolete like two years ago | 23:12 |
| * nsh hates hype | 23:12 | |
| bkero | Yea. Does your laptop run on an ultracapacitor? | 23:12 |
| fenn | a thermos won't be a farad.. maybe a nanofarad | 23:12 |
| bkero | What? | 23:12 |
| fenn | 1F requires a huge amount of surface area | 23:12 |
| bkero | Dude you can get 1 farad caps for car stereos, and they are about the same size as this theros. | 23:12 |
| bkero | thermos | 23:12 |
| fenn | they have like a square mile of aluminum foil inside | 23:13 |
| bkero | lol | 23:13 |
| nsh | yeah, farad is a crazy huge SI unit, iirc | 23:14 |
| * biopunk would like to to have good batteries with long lifespans now | 23:14 | |
| biopunk | ..or fuelcells | 23:15 |
| fenn | bkero you can calculate it here http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/pplate.html | 23:16 |
| nsh | mmm | 23:16 |
| nsh | it'd be nice to be able to store energy as crystaline structure | 23:16 |
| nsh | dilithium style | 23:16 |
| nsh | well, hydrogen is a chore... | 23:16 |
| fenn | i dont get the dilithium, you can store antihydrogen easily enough with UV lasers | 23:17 |
| fenn | they pop positrons off it, giving the antihydrogen crystal a net charge, so you can just levitate it with charged plates | 23:17 |
| fenn | or use other 'laser tweezer' effects | 23:17 |
| nsh | probably weren't invented when star-trek was being thought up | 23:18 |
| nsh | or at least, common knowledge | 23:18 |
| fenn | the problem is turning the antimatter into electricity without killing yourself with the gamma rays and subatomic particles that come off it | 23:18 |
| fenn | so, yeah. i'd settle for a methanol fuel cell | 23:19 |
| fenn | star trek is so full of technical flaws it's not even worth talking about | 23:20 |
| biopunk | maybe we're back to a methanol producing bioreactor then | 23:20 |
| fenn | making methanol is easy, just heat wood in the absence of oxygen | 23:20 |
| fenn | set a 55 gallon drum full of wood chips on top of a bonfire | 23:20 |
| * nsh wonders if we might transcend electricity sometime this century | 23:21 | |
| fenn | it's possible | 23:21 |
| biopunk | electricity is a mode of transport | 23:21 |
| fenn | electricity is useful for chemistry | 23:21 |
| biopunk | and brains | 23:21 |
| fenn | photonics is better for brains i think | 23:22 |
| nsh | i mean specifically moving past electricity as the main way we manipulate energy | 23:22 |
| nsh | not sure how it would be even possible, but i'm sure it might | 23:23 |
| fenn | well, fiber optics are basically superconductors right? | 23:23 |
| * nsh nods | 23:23 | |
| nsh | but you can't transfer much power via optic fiber | 23:24 |
| kanzure | some other subatomic particle physics perhaps/ | 23:24 |
| kanzure | ? | 23:24 |
| fenn | why not? | 23:24 |
| fenn | i beg to differ.. those tattoo blasting lasers use a fiber to transfer the beam to a hand held stylus | 23:24 |
| nsh | i don't know; was an assumption | 23:24 |
| fenn | (some of them use a periscope thingy though) | 23:25 |
| * nsh nods | 23:25 | |
| nsh | i think the reconversion would be the most difficult thing | 23:25 |
| nsh | a laser beam in itself has a reasonably limited range of functions | 23:25 |
| nsh | but i agree, it'd be the way to go about it | 23:25 |
| nsh | light is just the exchange of subatomic momentum | 23:25 |
| nsh | and anything we want to get done is transfer of momentum in some form or other | 23:25 |
| fenn | if you expand your horizons a little bit to encompass the whole solar system, laser beams are a lot more attractive than electrical wires | 23:25 |
| biopunk | lazers have huge military applications | 23:26 |
| biopunk | if you can see it you can kill it | 23:26 |
| fenn | laser sails (like a solar sail) can be used to convert light to momentum | 23:26 |
| nsh | and (apparantly) plausable deny it | 23:26 |
| fenn | you know those radiometer toys? white/black vanes in a vacuum dome that spin | 23:27 |
| * nsh is a little dubious about that.. not many people will have the ACME giant space-based laser gizmo | 23:27 | |
| * nsh shakes head | 23:27 | |
| nsh | oh right | 23:27 |
| nsh | yeah, uses light pressure | 23:27 |
| nsh | well, heat differential actually, if i remember correctly | 23:28 |
| nsh | yeah | 23:28 |
| biopunk | isn't it heat? | 23:28 |
| * nsh nods | 23:28 | |
| biopunk | yeah | 23:28 |
| nsh | it was originally supposed to be light pressure | 23:28 |
| fenn | if the vacuum were good enough it would work with light pressure | 23:28 |
| * nsh nods | 23:28 | |
| nsh | hence light sails | 23:28 |
| biopunk | one side is white the other black | 23:28 |
| fenn | another prospect is like the 'source' in 'the diamond age' | 23:29 |
| fenn | i read some investment scam with plausible science behind it.. the idea was to use aluminum/air batteries to transfer huge quantities of electricity across the ocean with no loss | 23:30 |
| nsh | hrmm | 23:31 |
| biopunk | in a tanker? | 23:31 |
| fenn | yeah, building sized batteries | 23:31 |
| fenn | i forget what the magic technology breakthrough supposedly was | 23:31 |
| fenn | you could use some kind of organic molecule like NADP as a charge carrier | 23:32 |
| biopunk | buckets of atp | 23:32 |
| fenn | instead of the nasty heavy metal vanadium, like the vanadium redox cell | 23:32 |
| fenn | atp is hard to make and has a low-ish lifetime before it spontaneously dissociates (am i making this up?) | 23:33 |
| nsh | sounds right | 23:34 |
| fenn | google says half life of about 1 second | 23:34 |
| biopunk | fat the then | 23:34 |
| fenn | how about gasoline :) | 23:34 |
| biopunk | yeah! | 23:35 |
| fenn | large farms of algae would probably work for that | 23:35 |
| nsh | don't you know it's made by geological processes! | 23:36 |
| fenn | OTEC mariculture stuff, or iron seeding | 23:36 |
| * nsh expects to see some degree of commercially-viable bioalgae in the next ten years | 23:36 | |
| biopunk | I'm amazed by the amount of organic matter that has gone into making oil.. I mean.. it's just a miniscule fraction of what has decayed through the ages.. and still it's an enormous amount. | 23:36 |
| nsh | mm | 23:37 |
| * biopunk has been thinking about the timelines lately | 23:37 | |
| biopunk | timelines are interesting... I think recorded history is like 6000 years | 23:39 |
| biopunk | but we stand on people that came before us all the way back into the procaryote world | 23:39 |
| * nsh smiles | 23:40 | |
| nsh | (most of them weren't technically "people", but that's not the point) it's does give one pause | 23:40 |
| nsh | *it | 23:40 |
| nsh | standing on the shoulders of goo | 23:41 |
| biopunk | yes | 23:41 |
| biopunk | 200 000 years is the going number now i think | 23:41 |
| biopunk | The history we can remember is like 100 years, and on this we base our view of what we are as humans... | 23:42 |
| biopunk | we go "Hey, we did bad things (like WW2) but we have learned and are different now"... | 23:42 |
| biopunk | not really.. we are something else.. humans are something else | 23:43 |
| biopunk | than can be understood by looking at the last say 300 years | 23:43 |
| kanzure | Does anybody know why ScienceDirect has 1,988 different journals? | 23:44 |
| kanzure | I know it's Elsevier .. are they the publishers of these journals? | 23:44 |
| kanzure | or do they just interface and collect the papers? | 23:44 |
| kanzure | what's going on here | 23:44 |
| kanzure | http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=BrowseListURL&_type=title&_title=all&content=journals&content=books&entitle=sub&entitle=nsub&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=108429&md5=05d5c0df5bc5c928a86b6f287ed26bfd | 23:45 |
| kanzure | (big page) | 23:45 |
| fenn | elsevier publishes a lot of journals, it might indeed be 1988 | 23:45 |
| fenn | 99% of journals are elsevier or wiley | 23:45 |
| kanzure | I see. | 23:45 |
| * nsh isn't entirely sold on the popular idea that we're humans, anyway | 23:46 | |
| nsh | elsevier should be public-ised | 23:47 |
| kanzure | nsh: shhh | 23:47 |
| nsh | make the common property of all humanity | 23:47 |
| kanzure | stop shouting so loudly | 23:47 |
| kanzure | I'm working on it, I'm working on it | 23:47 |
| * biopunk thinks the trick is to understand what it means to be human, and that evolution is the clue | 23:47 | |
| nsh | sry | 23:47 |
| fenn | biopunk: it's the economy, stupid | 23:47 |
| biopunk | ...aaah ;) | 23:47 |
| * nsh smiles | 23:47 | |
| biopunk | Does anyone here know who david deangeo is? | 23:48 |
| biopunk | deangelo | 23:48 |
| kanzure | no | 23:48 |
| biopunk | a pua guru | 23:48 |
| biopunk | That community puts knowledge about evolution to good use | 23:49 |
| biopunk | He once said "A beautiful woman is the most powerful force in the universe. They are the reason money gets made and people get up in the morning. Do you think Bill Gates would be the richest man in the world if he had gotten laid in high school?" | 23:50 |
| biopunk | basically pussy is the reason men want money. | 23:51 |
| biopunk | ....and we're back to evolution | 23:51 |
| fenn | um.. so why do women want money? | 23:52 |
| kanzure | so I'll be doing sciencedirect and interscience today | 23:52 |
| kanzure | interscience is silly and makes you click through 72 pages for the full list of journals | 23:52 |
| kanzure | so I downloaded 72 pages, however now I have weird file names with the get request attached to the file name | 23:52 |
| kanzure | I could just have been smarter and used --output-file= | 23:53 |
| kanzure | but since I already have the files, doublebanging the server doesn't sound smart | 23:53 |
| biopunk | Because money is a good indicator of how well tha man functions in a society | 23:53 |
| kanzure | Gates doesn't function well | 23:53 |
| biopunk | in society he does | 23:53 |
| kanzure | people who stim are not considered socially functioning | 23:54 |
| biopunk | he is a king, peopole obey him | 23:54 |
| kanzure | http://www.autismspeaks.org/community/forums/showthread.php?t=5231 | 23:55 |
| kanzure | Anyway, there were some videos but I never remember seeing them. | 23:55 |
| biopunk | (the woman who has offspring with him has an army of peope tending to the wellbeing of that offspring. Cause Gates commands that. ) | 23:55 |
| kanzure | not to mention the credit card hax0rs and the leet russians | 23:56 |
| kanzure | with their financial botnets and so on | 23:56 |
| kanzure | just saying :) | 23:56 |
| kanzure | anyway, re my stupid files | 23:56 |
| kanzure | what sort of awk script should I use? | 23:56 |
| fenn | all this primate behaviour stuff is amazingly unmotivating | 23:57 |
| kanzure | I could write some perl to process the file name | 23:57 |
| kanzure | but that's stupid. | 23:57 |
| kanzure | so I should do something simpler | 23:57 |
| fenn | sed -I | 23:57 |
| fenn | oops, hmm | 23:58 |
| kanzure | dne | 23:58 |
| kanzure | :( | 23:58 |
| kanzure | it's okay, I have a better idea | 23:58 |
| kanzure | how about viewing what's unique among all of the files via diff? | 23:58 |
| fenn | oo try 'man rename' | 23:58 |
| kanzure | ah | 23:58 |
| kanzure | "Author: Larry Wall" yikes | 23:59 |
| fenn | hey that's what perl was for wasnt it? | 23:59 |
| kanzure | if debian had a full list of credits (like the "game over" screens) for the contributors, it sounds like it'd be mostly a list of ten guys | 23:59 |
| fenn | renaming nasa reports or something | 23:59 |
| kanzure | hah | 23:59 |
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