| --- Day changed Tue Aug 26 2008 | ||
| kanzure | more news dump | 00:08 |
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| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/2008-08-25 | 00:08 |
| ybit | anyone worked with a live mouse? | 00:24 |
| kanzure | yes | 00:25 |
| ybit | what did you do? | 00:26 |
| ybit | cut the tail or ear? | 00:27 |
| kanzure | No. | 00:29 |
| kanzure | Training exercises. | 00:29 |
| ybit | i'm curious if anyone else was queasy having to do that, if i have to do that, i will be atleast the first time | 00:30 |
| ybit | [terrible grammar, i know] | 00:31 |
| kanzur1 | hm | 00:44 |
| kanzur1 | that was weird | 00:45 |
| kanzur1 | for the past 18 minutes the ethernet was out | 00:45 |
| bkero | I worked with a lot of mice | 00:46 |
| bkero | Pharm sci lab doing some research with e. coli | 00:46 |
| bkero | cutting them is a rather gruesome to do, but if you've got a bit of fortitude, you get used to it. | 00:49 |
| * nsh- has testicular fortitude, if that counts | 00:56 | |
| nsh- | qotd: | 00:58 |
| nsh- | [[[ | 00:59 |
| nsh- | Derek took a big slug of his beer and lit a cigarette. He puffed pensively. “You know, Fichte and Hegel believed that the actions composing history have an 'inside' and an 'outside': both a priori and empirical aspects. The 'necessary' attributes of the historical process, they believed, have to do with the inside of an act; it is the inside of history that is the 'why' of it. I believe this is true not only of 'acts' in his | 00:59 |
| nsh- | The inside of an event is the complex, multi-termed aspect projecting itself as an involute into a fabric of simple antecedent-consequent relations. Time, itself, has structure; this 'chronotopology', if you will, is the 'why' of nature: it determines the values of constants in the laws regulating natural processes, I believe. Any accurate philosophy of history must, therefore, at the same time be a general theory of process | 00:59 |
| nsh- | ]]] -- http://www.geocities.com/m_valuedlets/tranche12.html | 00:59 |
| ybit | kanzur1: you have used wget for wikipedia, i'm assuming, to retrieve wikipedia pages, some of which are probably now in the biotech toolkit... what length did you set the -wait option? | 01:45 |
| ybit | i'm guessing 5,7, and 14 seconds should suffice | 01:46 |
| ybit | -5 | 01:47 |
| kanzur1 | I wasn't wgetting. :-( | 01:50 |
| -!- kanzur1 is now known as kanzure | 01:50 | |
| kanzure | I suggest you look into getting a full copy of Wikipedia. | 01:51 |
| ybit | heh, how big is that? | 01:52 |
| ybit | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Size_of_Wikipedia | 01:53 |
| ybit | http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/Sitemap.htm | 01:55 |
| ybit | i might be reading it wrong, but the database is a surprisingly small 3.4gb | 01:56 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download | 01:56 |
| kanzure | yep | 01:56 |
| kanzure | unless you want images as well | 01:56 |
| ybit | oh | 01:56 |
| kanzure | http://download.wikimedia.org/enwiki/ | 01:57 |
| ybit | images would be nice :) | 01:57 |
| kanzure | http://static.wikipedia.org/downloads/2008-06/en/wikipedia-en-html.tar.7z 14 GB | 01:58 |
| kanzure | 20 times the archive size :) | 01:58 |
| ybit | wow, i don't think this computer could handle it | 01:59 |
| kanzure | http://download.wikimedia.org/enwiki/20080724/enwiki-20080724-pages-meta-current.xml.bz2 7.3 GB of all pages, current versions only, as of 2008-07-28 | 01:59 |
| ybit | maybe i don't need images :) | 02:00 |
| kanzure | I wonder what the hell has happened to my internet connection. | 02:00 |
| kanzure | Only 173 kbps? | 02:00 |
| ybit | but i do need wikipedia just in case the wireless goes down on campus | 02:00 |
| ybit | otherwise i'll have to use one of the computers at the library, ick | 02:00 |
| willPow3r | dirty keyboards. | 02:01 |
| ybit | exactly :) | 02:01 |
| * ybit does not eat anywhere near his computer ;) | 02:02 | |
| kanzure | http://download.wikimedia.org/enwiki/latest/enwiki-latest-pages-meta-history.xml.bz2 <-- 147 GB | 02:02 |
| kanzure | http://opencog.org/wiki/OpenCogPrime:Roadmap | 02:08 |
| kanzure | http://opencog.org/wiki/OpenCogPrime:PhaseOneRoadmap | 02:09 |
| kanzure | who allows these people to breath? | 02:09 |
| willPow3r | breathe? | 02:12 |
| kanzure | breathe. | 02:12 |
| willPow3r | just breathe. | 02:17 |
| kanzure | http://www.monochrom.at/english/2008/08/nightmare-for-german-riaa-70200-samples.htm ' If you want to register a song at GEMA (RIAA, ASCAP of Germany) you have to fill in a form for each sample you use, even the tiniest bit. On 12 Sept 08, German Avantgarde musician Johannes Kreidler will —as a live performance event—register a short musical work that contains 70,200 quotations with GEMA using 70,200 forms.' | 02:39 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG1Zn_6wDRo | 02:40 |
| kanzure | oh, he's just a silly dj using a few thousand mp3s from his hdd | 02:41 |
| kanzure | he would be such a jerk if he uses captchas on the forms | 02:44 |
| kanzure | it's easy enough to take an image of the forms and automatically write the file names of the pieces that he's using | 02:44 |
| kanzure | and if GEMA is smart they might think to use OCR on all 72k pages | 02:45 |
| kanzure | but captchas could easily defeat it | 02:45 |
| kanzure | I don't think this is unique .. fenn, what site was it that did the mashable music generators? | 02:47 |
| * kanzure has solved his calendar optimization problem | 02:48 | |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/calendar.html | 02:49 |
| willPow3r | kanzure, what was the original problem? | 03:06 |
| kanzure | course scheduling | 03:06 |
| willPow3r | youtube is down? | 04:36 |
| kanzure | b | 04:37 |
| kanzure | hm | 04:37 |
| kanzure | yes? | 04:37 |
| ybit | http://frontiersin.org/conferences/individual_abstract_listing.php?conferid=2&pap=356&ind_abs=1&q=2 | 04:49 |
| ybit | http://frontiersin.org/conferences/individual_abstract_listing.php?conferid=2&pap=374&ind_abs=1&q=3 | 04:50 |
| ybit | http://rbwb.org | 04:50 |
| kanzure | shit. | 04:51 |
| kanzure | :-/ | 04:51 |
| kanzure | How'd you come across it? | 04:51 |
| ybit | the comp-neuro mailing list | 04:54 |
| kanzure | oh | 05:00 |
| ybit | i'm guessing you are already signed up for it as well then | 05:01 |
| ybit | you're not really disappointed, right? | 05:01 |
| ybit | in a sense disappointed since it is close to what you wanted to do, but glad there is progress in this area? | 05:02 |
| ybit | i will read your response when i wake up :) | 05:03 |
| kanzure | yes, I am on the comp-neuro mailing list | 05:03 |
| kanzure | I'm not disappointed, just behind apparently :) | 05:03 |
| ybit | :) | 05:03 |
| kanzure | also because it's kind of not progress too | 05:03 |
| kanzure | since it's sort of the same thing as ABA's Brain Explorer, but a bit more at the same time | 05:04 |
| kanzure | where's my apt-get for brains? | 05:04 |
| ybit | why, do you think they won't want publish the source code? | 05:04 |
| ybit | why is not progress^ | 05:04 |
| ybit | you refer to apt-get for new brains, correct? | 05:05 |
| ybit | ones which may possibly connect to ours to extend functionality such as memory and maybe attention? | 05:06 |
| kanzure | No, some of them are publishing code, like 'emergence' (O'Reilly's) | 05:08 |
| kanzure | No, that's a longshot. | 05:08 |
| kanzure | I'm talking much more simply, here and now and so on. | 05:08 |
| kanzure | Just a simple, extendable architecture, nothing rolled into an entire singular package. | 05:08 |
| kanzure | There's these databases out on the net publishing somewhat relevant data, it's worth including handlers for this content. The neuron model databases, bioinformatics, Entrez, PubChem, there's a lot of different services and the brain stuff doesn't seem to be plugging much into it. | 05:09 |
| kanzure | I hope I'm wrong here, of course. | 05:09 |
| kanzure | it's not bad, just not better | 05:09 |
| kanzure | http://www.neuron.yale.edu/neuron/install/install.html#current | 06:18 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/nrn_6.2-1_i386.deb | 06:18 |
| kanzure | not that it was hard to use alien -d or anything | 06:18 |
| kanzure | but if it gets you a name on a yale page ;-) | 06:18 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/matter_matters.html <-- hah | 06:25 |
| willPow3r | people actually sleep? | 11:25 |
| willPow3r | i thought this was the 21st century | 11:25 |
| Phreedom | willPow3r: no, we hibernate :P | 11:26 |
| willPow3r | that doesn't count towards your up time | 11:27 |
| willPow3r | ;) | 11:27 |
| Phreedom | unf yes :( | 11:27 |
| Phreedom | but we're working on it | 11:27 |
| willPow3r | http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-sci-cows26-2008aug26,0,7995538.story | 11:30 |
| willPow3r | "Experts acknowledged that the research almost certainly has no practical applications." | 11:32 |
| willPow3r | lol | 11:32 |
| Phreedom | every research has a practical application of scratching someone's itch | 11:39 |
| willPow3r | i think its funny that they assume that it has no practical application | 13:03 |
| kanzure | they want their first mover advantage | 13:07 |
| nsh | whatwhopls? | 13:08 |
| willPow3r | http://emotiv.com/ | 13:09 |
| kanzure | heh, they call it a revolutionary spiritual journey | 14:20 |
| kanzure | "where we recognize your emotions so you don't have to! (r)" | 14:20 |
| * kanzure thought that was the church's job | 14:20 | |
| kanzure | http://eutils.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query/static/eutils_help.html something worth eventually getting around to reading. | 14:35 |
| -!- nsh- is now known as nsh | 14:43 | |
| kanzure | Hm. | 15:31 |
| kanzure | http://www.theory.physics.ubc.ca/arxiv/ | 15:31 |
| kanzure | arxiv torrents | 15:33 |
| kanzure | only one seed? let's fix that | 15:37 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Event_format <-- hack me? | 16:01 |
| procto | kanzure: all it seems you need is the ability to nest events | 16:15 |
| procto | all events have start and end times. sometimes the granularity of the times can vary, i.e. a day or a month instead of a specific hour | 16:16 |
| procto | the end time should also accept non-Date objects, that is, "when we're all too tired to keep going" is a valid end time. | 16:16 |
| kanzure | hm | 16:19 |
| * kanzure threw it on to the page | 16:23 | |
| procto | kanzure: added something to the page | 16:32 |
| kanzure | replied on page | 16:37 |
| kanzure | 'so why would a subsubsubevent loop back to a parent event?' | 16:37 |
| procto | my point was that I couldn't think of a reason for that | 16:45 |
| procto | but that I could think of doing it, and maybe someone will think of a reason :> | 16:45 |
| kanzure | you sir, are too adept at playing devil's advocate | 16:46 |
| procto | I like to think I embody both Manechaeic poles :> | 16:51 |
| elias` | what are Manechaeic poles? google finds nothing. | 16:55 |
| procto | typo: manichaeic | 16:59 |
| procto | Manichaeism was a gnostic religion | 17:00 |
| procto | its name is used to represent a dualistic deistic cosmology | 17:00 |
| procto | i.e. god vs. devil | 17:00 |
| procto | things in the vein of zoroastrianism | 17:00 |
| * nsh smiles | 17:15 | |
| nsh | i seem to remember that the goal of gnosticism was to transcend this duality | 17:15 |
| procto | manichaeism was sort of a synthesis of previous local religions with gnosticism sprinkled in | 17:28 |
| nsh | i see | 17:32 |
| -!- nsh- is now known as nsh | 18:05 | |
| fenn | "The scientists were unable to distinguish between the head and rear of the cattle," | 20:39 |
| * nsh liked that part too | 20:48 | |
| --- Log opened Thu Sep 11 19:12:03 2008 | ||
| * kanzure is on the payroll | 19:12 | |
| willPow3r | fenn, the author of that singularity skeptic blog used "partly religious" when he referred to the brain to mean something which we will probably never fully understand, leaving explanation and purpose to The Unknowable | 19:26 |
| willPow3r | who some consider to be a god in one form or another | 19:26 |
| willPow3r | and that idea isn't exactly far fetched or incorrect | 19:26 |
| willPow3r | at least not as far fetched as some singularitarians are willing to go in defining their belief of the future | 19:28 |
| willPow3r | its vaguely reminiscent of the heaven's gate cult. | 19:28 |
| willPow3r | "drink the magic kool aid/red pill/microchip and be whisked away to a wonder utopia" | 19:30 |
| kanzure | yes, drink it! | 19:30 |
| willPow3r | wonderful* | 19:30 |
| * kanzure has drunk the koolaid | 19:30 | |
| willPow3r | i think that was just regular jungle juice | 19:30 |
| willPow3r | kanzure | 19:30 |
| willPow3r | probably with a little too much TAAKA vodka | 19:31 |
| -!- smurf is now known as biopunk | 19:41 | |
| kanzure | Hey biopunk | 19:42 |
| biopunk | hi kanzure | 20:04 |
| kanzure | What's up? | 20:07 |
| biopunk | not much.. sorry for the latency ;) | 20:55 |
| bkero | Any of you guys look at using perfluorocarbons as artificial blood? | 21:48 |
| kanzure | Pardon? | 22:22 |
| * kanzure just got back from a seminar on zinc fingers for gene targetting | 22:22 | |
| kanzure | apparently it's becoming quite the respectable nonkilling alternative to retroviruses | 22:22 |
| bkero | kanzure: blood substitutes | 22:23 |
| bkero | perfluorocarbons as an artificial oxygen carrier. | 22:23 |
| bkero | I was looking up Cray Blood that's used to cool computers, which brought me to fluorinert, which is a perfluorocarbon, which had some studies linked to it about using it for liquid breathing, or as a blood substitute. | 22:24 |
| kanzure | isn't there more to blood than the hemoglobin? :( | 22:24 |
| bkero | http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=137239 | 22:25 |
| kanzure | first, I need to steal some anime-disco music | 22:30 |
| kanzure | any servers to hit? | 22:30 |
| bkero | anime--disco? | 22:31 |
| bkero | wtf? | 22:31 |
| bkero | You could try some Initial D | 22:31 |
| bkero | That's pretty japanese | 22:31 |
| bkero | Try back on the Rocks | 22:32 |
| kanzure | What I really want is the group that I completely forget the name of. | 22:32 |
| bkero | Malice Mizer? | 22:32 |
| kanzure | the japanese group that does ridiculously awesome epic dance tracks | 22:32 |
| kanzure | No, not so mainstream | 22:33 |
| * bkero shrugs | 22:33 | |
| kanzure | endmix | 22:33 |
| kanzure | hm | 22:33 |
| kanzure | Crap. I've forgotten the name. | 22:33 |
| kanzure | Exit Trance. | 22:35 |
| kanzure | bwahah | 22:35 |
| bkero | Crazy Japanese. | 22:35 |
| kanzure | hm, Initial D is listed as some of their covers | 22:36 |
| bkero | lol | 22:36 |
| kanzure | What's with you and lol? | 22:37 |
| * bkero shrugs | 22:37 | |
| kanzure | :) | 22:37 |
| bkero | quick gut reaction to irony | 22:37 |
| kanzure | still? | 22:37 |
| kanzure | you never purged it? | 22:37 |
| bkero | and this _IS_ the internet, isn't it? | 22:37 |
| kanzure | *what* ?! | 22:38 |
| kanzure | Any particular Initial D soundtracks? | 22:38 |
| kanzure | erm | 22:38 |
| kanzure | tracks | 22:38 |
| kanzure | http://deimonstar.com/files/Juns%20Mp3/Initial%20D%20Soundtrack/ | 22:38 |
| kanzure | http://raggak.animechild.org/Crap/Music/ | 22:39 |
| * kanzure grabs the zip | 22:39 | |
| kanzure | I'm in love with this server -> http://www.saitekanime.com/music/ | 22:41 |
| bkero | Not bad | 22:42 |
| kanzure | 1 MB/sec | 22:44 |
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