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| fenn | any time | 00:01 |
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| ybit | heh :) | 00:06 |
| ybit | i was supposed to say that! | 00:06 |
| ybit | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=3&url=http%3A%2F%2Fantville.medien.uni-weimar.de%2Finurbs%2Fgetfile%3Fname%3Dspline%2Bdriven%2Bdeformation&ei=u3e3SOu7NJ_ugATGtJm-DA&usg=AFQjCNEi519xCStn6IK1m5ZqKnsF21VNSg&sig2=ANTRyGqdIfqBUP7mqdJQJg | 00:15 |
| kanzure | arghh | 01:13 |
| kanzure | pain | 01:13 |
| kanzure | class at eight in the morning .. haven't slept in a few days | 01:14 |
| kanzure | but if I sleep, the pain pills will make me sleep in too late | 01:14 |
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| willPow3r_ | http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-08/uoc--rlt082808.php | 04:04 |
| faceface | <percent> faceface: People in your way should be thoroughly annihilated. | 04:12 |
| faceface | if that is possible without incuring prison, or otherwise encroaching on your overall productivity, yes | 04:13 |
| * nsh cites Ginsparg's [original] Law on that eurekalert article | 04:15 | |
| nsh | <nsh> Ginsparg's Law: any seemingly notable observation can be reformulated as a completely obvious result. | 04:15 |
| faceface | nsh, nice | 04:16 |
| willPow3r_ | isn't that the point of basic research | 04:16 |
| nsh | nah, the point of basic research is to find the observations that aren't just seemingly notable :-) | 04:17 |
| faceface | have you seen Finagle's laws | 04:17 |
| * nsh remembers vaguely | 04:17 | |
| faceface | I posted them to my old lab, and strangely got no response... lemmy paste... | 04:17 |
| faceface | Finagle's Eighth Law: | 04:17 |
| faceface | If an experiment works, something has gone wrong. | 04:17 |
| faceface | Finagle's Ninth Law: | 04:17 |
| faceface | No matter what results are expected, someone is always willing to | 04:17 |
| faceface | fake it. | 04:17 |
| faceface | Finagle's Tenth Law: | 04:17 |
| nsh | oh, perversity of the universe tends to increase to a maximum | 04:17 |
| faceface | No matter what the result someone is always eager to misinterpret it. | 04:17 |
| faceface | Finagle's Eleventh Law: | 04:17 |
| faceface | No matter what occurs, someone believes it happened according to | 04:17 |
| faceface | his pet theory. | 04:17 |
| faceface | basically all these laws were observable in my boss | 04:18 |
| * nsh smiles | 04:18 | |
| nsh | right, 11:19, i should think about going to work | 04:18 |
| faceface | hehe, me too | 04:18 |
| willPow3r_ | where do you guys live? | 04:19 |
| nsh | and moving out of my apartment to become homeless yay | 04:19 |
| * nsh lives in Tampere, Finland | 04:19 | |
| willPow3r_ | nice. | 04:19 |
| nsh | for another two days | 04:30 |
| nsh | then i'll be a bum in tampere, finland | 04:30 |
| willPow3r_ | is there free wifi at least? | 04:31 |
| * nsh smiles | 04:35 | |
| nsh | there is library | 04:36 |
| * fenn wonders what finnish dumpsters are like | 04:38 | |
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| bkero | Headed to penny arcade expo in about 4 hours. | 05:26 |
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| nsh | take a bomb! | 06:22 |
| nsh | that's my new parting imperative to anyone going anywhere | 06:22 |
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| kanzure | 'Kamel Boulos MN, Scotch M, Cheung K-H, Burden D. Web GIS in practice VI: a demo "playlist" of geo-mashups for public health neogeographers. International Journal of Health Geographics. 2008;7:38 | 11:30 |
| kanzure | http://www.ij-healthgeographics.com/content/pdf/1476-072X-7-38.pdf | 11:30 |
| kanzure | 11:30 | |
| kanzure | You can find more pointers at: http://healthcybermap.org/sl.htm' | 11:30 |
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| nsh | sorrywhat? | 11:34 |
| faceface | server down | 11:34 |
| kanzure | http://healthcybermap.org/proposal.htm 'HealthCyberMap aims at mapping the health information cyberspace in unique and novel ways to help consumers and providers of health information navigate and plan this complex "virtual" space more efficiently and effectively. This is achieved through intelligent categorisation and interactive hypermedia visualisation of the health information cyberspace.' | 11:34 |
| kanzure | blah | 11:34 |
| kanzure | nevermind | 11:34 |
| faceface | or something | 11:34 |
| nsh | kanzure, explain all of thebaove pls | 11:34 |
| faceface | oh... | 11:34 |
| kanzure | nsh: bullshit | 11:34 |
| kanzure | ignore it | 11:34 |
| nsh | ok | 11:34 |
| kanzure | sorry | 11:34 |
| faceface | willPow3r I am uK | 11:34 |
| kanzure | just looked at it. It's another informatics thingy. | 11:34 |
| kanzure | I mean, it's useful | 11:35 |
| nsh | uK == the new master race?! | 11:35 |
| kanzure | but not. | 11:35 |
| faceface | christ that sounds like balls! | 11:35 |
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| kanzure | fenn: can you export a list of f/oss cad/cam systems please? | 11:56 |
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| Phreedom | kanzure_: foss cad is a joke :( | 12:02 |
| Phreedom | cam is a bad joke | 12:02 |
| Phreedom | :`( | 12:02 |
| kanzure | yes | 12:02 |
| kanzure | I know, I know. | 12:02 |
| kanzure | I have a 'philosophical objection' to CAD stuff anyway, | 12:03 |
| Phreedom | like? | 12:03 |
| kanzure | the 'artist' is assuming that 'drawing a line' directly correlates with fabricational functionality | 12:03 |
| kanzure | I don't know how else to word that | 12:03 |
| Phreedom | I understand | 12:03 |
| kanzure | but basically it's trying to draw something in a little 3D viewport and say "make this a reality" | 12:03 |
| Phreedom | you'd rather treat it as programming | 12:03 |
| kanzure | yes | 12:04 |
| kanzure | but | 12:04 |
| Phreedom | parametrized, functional design | 12:04 |
| kanzure | still an art of course | 12:04 |
| Phreedom | I agree overall | 12:04 |
| Phreedom | rather I agree that this is a good base for core manufacturing stuff | 12:04 |
| Phreedom | end-user tweaks, one-off simple parts better fit "art" model | 12:05 |
| kanzure | wait, what? | 12:05 |
| kanzure | just elaborate | 12:05 |
| kanzure | oh | 12:06 |
| kanzure | okay, so we can have programming/engineering for the backend for the architecture/infrastructure of the factory/object/thingy, | 12:06 |
| kanzure | and then the artsy stuff within some limited parameter-space | 12:06 |
| kanzure | for tweaking | 12:06 |
| kanzure | clearly a 'car' should not be done in autocad in terms of 'draw a line here' -- this should be done via lots of integrals and computational fluid dynamic simulations and such ;-) | 12:07 |
| Phreedom | I meant that if you need a cellphone holder, it's better done the "art" way :) | 12:07 |
| Phreedom | exactly. If you want to parametrize the thing, you need a powerful math model to back it up | 12:07 |
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| kanzure | Phreedom: Alright, so we're in agreement on that. Now, the hard part. | 12:20 |
| kanzure | Phreedom: How the hell do you convince somebody who would otherwise use CAD to do it this other way? | 12:20 |
| kanzure | They can't as easily visualize code working out in a mechano-physico sense.. | 12:20 |
| kanzure | (maybe they can, but it's certainly not common practice.) | 12:20 |
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| Phreedom | kanzure_: that's why I advocate doing it only for core tech | 12:22 |
| Phreedom | you can find a team of hardcore hackers to handle a small, but crucial set of technologies | 12:23 |
| Phreedom | and other people can use gui and higher-level primitives | 12:24 |
| Phreedom | eg you need to make a PCB | 12:24 |
| kanzure | everyone should be able to be a hardcore hacker | 12:24 |
| kanzure | ah | 12:24 |
| kanzure | wait | 12:24 |
| Phreedom | eveyone can but not everyone wants or cares to | 12:24 |
| kanzure | They have different goals. | 12:24 |
| kanzure | they're just trying to make a pretty hubcap | 12:24 |
| kanzure | ideological constraints ... | 12:24 |
| kanzure | "we must have cars! so I'm doing a pretty hubcap .." | 12:25 |
| Phreedom | kanzure_: from my experience dealing with people with tons of ideological constraints(*cough*gnome*cough*), I'd say come up with a reasonable,practical, *scientific* framework.. and some people will join you | 12:26 |
| Phreedom | you won't get everyone onboard but it's their problems | 12:26 |
| Phreedom | -s | 12:26 |
| Phreedom | and you won't solve it | 12:26 |
| Phreedom | you don't need everyone, you need a qualified team | 12:28 |
| Phreedom | a reasonably small team of highly-skilled open-minded individuals can to a gerat degree compensate for its size by higher efficiency of framework, knowledge, efficiency of communications and management | 12:29 |
| Phreedom | and at the same time get something cutting-edge done | 12:30 |
| Phreedom | instead lots of activity, ideological flamewars which usually lead to nothing or mediocre result at best | 12:31 |
| Phreedom | *instead of | 12:31 |
| kanzure | be back in a bit | 12:33 |
| kanzure | but keep talking anyway :p | 12:34 |
| Phreedom | :) | 12:36 |
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| kanzure | Things are looking good. ACTlab wants to supply the space and the professorship (the "official" to make it happen as in, really happen). | 15:14 |
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| Phreedom | kanzure_: all I see on their site is marketing talk | 15:20 |
| kanzure | heh | 15:20 |
| kanzure | exactly | 15:20 |
| kanzure | they call it their "codified umbrella" | 15:20 |
| kanzure | where they have all of their creative "do whatever you want, seriously" stuff | 15:20 |
| Phreedom | as in we do what we want | 15:21 |
| Phreedom | ok | 15:21 |
| kanzure | yep | 15:21 |
| kanzure | and then they become supergeniuses and make the admins proud or something | 15:21 |
| kanzure | somehow | 15:21 |
| Phreedom | at least they hope so | 15:21 |
| kanzure | not sure what hteir trick is | 15:21 |
| kanzure | well, they're still around | 15:21 |
| kanzure | Brandon Wiley was one of the big names there for a while | 15:21 |
| Phreedom | so what "space" are you referring to? | 15:21 |
| kanzure | he did some freenet and bit torrent work | 15:21 |
| kanzure | physical space | 15:21 |
| kanzure | they have room for a fablab | 15:21 |
| Phreedom | are you goign for some pysical stuff or only the database? | 15:22 |
| Phreedom | *physical=tangible | 15:22 |
| kanzure | physical | 15:23 |
| kanzure | tangible | 15:23 |
| Phreedom | and in what area? | 15:24 |
| kanzure | hm? | 15:24 |
| kanzure | UT Austin. On campus. | 15:24 |
| Phreedom | I mean what are you goign to be fabbing | 15:24 |
| kanzure | heh | 15:29 |
| kanzure | "Stuff" | 15:29 |
| kanzure | btw, fenn, Phreedom - somebdoy suggested me to yesterday at the robot group meeting to use cars as cnc routers and mount your units on the ground | 15:29 |
| Phreedom | not me definitely | 15:30 |
| Phreedom | kanzure_: though whatever you're going to do there, we'll have no means to collaborate other than the 'net :( | 15:31 |
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| kanzure | Phreedom: I'm talking about the idea of it | 15:33 |
| kanzure | of using cars with your tip "hanging" or "attached" from underneath | 15:33 |
| kanzure | use some giant electric servos and drive the car in exactly straight lines so that you don't lose position or something | 15:34 |
| kanzure | you already have an engine built into the beast | 15:34 |
| Phreedom | there was a photo of a 6-8 legged "spider" cnc | 15:35 |
| Phreedom | I think on reprap forums | 15:35 |
| Phreedom | a real device btw | 15:35 |
| kanzure | are legs sturdy enoug h? | 15:35 |
| kanzure | would it move ? | 15:35 |
| Phreedom | I suppose, yes | 15:36 |
| Phreedom | http://builders.reprap.org/2008/06/walking-cnc-router-robot.html | 15:36 |
| kanzure | hah, it's small :) | 15:37 |
| Phreedom | as if you can't scale it up | 15:37 |
| kanzure | just funny. | 15:37 |
| kanzure | I saw this video last night as well - http://letsmakerobots.com/node/112 - "yellow bot - its purpose in life is to find stuff and play music on it" | 15:39 |
| Phreedom | saw it I think | 15:48 |
| ybit | both are amazing to me | 15:55 |
| ybit | well, the yellow bot is just funny :) | 15:55 |
| ybit | -just | 15:57 |
| ybit | and -well :) | 15:57 |
| ybit | hmm, sleep would have been helped my day today | 16:00 |
| kanzure | wtf | 16:00 |
| kanzure | I'm apparently now running the IEEE Manufacturing Automation Group | 16:00 |
| kanzure | shit | 16:00 |
| kanzure | Oh, this must be the email I sent off to them | 16:02 |
| ybit | link? | 16:04 |
| * ybit wants to take a look | 16:04 | |
| kanzure | gimme a second | 16:04 |
| kanzure | logging in and trying to find the clean link | 16:06 |
| kanzure | http://ieeecommunities.org/ieeemag | 16:13 |
| nsh | DAMN THE IEEEEEEE | 16:14 |
| nsh | DAMN THEEEEEEEEM TO HEEEEEEEELL | 16:14 |
| kanzure | Yep. | 16:14 |
| kanzure | nsh: kind of like you with the drug scene | 16:14 |
| kanzure | remember? | 16:14 |
| nsh | word | 16:14 |
| * nsh is practicing his undercover identity *right now* | 16:15 | |
| kanzure | really? | 16:15 |
| kanzure | why's that? | 16:15 |
| nsh | opportunity knocked | 16:15 |
| kanzure | You think we're doing illegal things? | 16:15 |
| nsh | [[[ | 16:16 |
| nsh | Who knew black holes could sing? Well, \"bellow\" might be a better term. The tune sounded by a supermassive black hole 250 million light-years away is actually a steady bass note like that of a cosmic fog horn warning surrounding material of the dangers of coming too close. | 16:16 |
| nsh | After observing the Perseus galaxy cluster for 53 hours in August 2002, the Chandra X-ray Observatory revealed ripples in the hot gas that fills the cluster. These ripples appear to be sound waves that would register as a B flat if we could hear the deep tone. | 16:16 |
| nsh | The team that discovered the waves determined their frequency by calculating the speed of sound in that environment and measuring the distance between wave crests. The frequency is about one cycle (or wave) per 9.5 million years or so — corresponding to a B-flat note about 57 octaves below \"middle C\" on a piano. | 16:16 |
| nsh | ]]] --http://www.advancedphysics.org/forum/showthread.php?t=19 | 16:16 |
| * nsh only recognises commons law :-) | 16:17 | |
| kanzure | creative commons? | 16:17 |
| nsh | all that jazz | 16:18 |
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| kanzure | hm | 16:36 |
| kanzure | turns out the funding for the fablab must come from my end | 16:36 |
| kanzure | $25k but that's with an unneeded $13k laser (we have a laser-based rapid prototyper on campus already ..) | 16:37 |
| kanzure | surely $12k is the salary of a grad student? | 16:37 |
| kanzure | anybody know? | 16:37 |
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| fenn | http://web.mit.edu/~vona/www-NEW/Visolate/visolate/Visolate-info.html | 19:59 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructal_theory | 19:59 |
| kanzure | http://www.constructal.org/en/theory/presentation.html | 20:02 |
| kanzure | maximization of "flow access" leading to 'optimization' | 20:02 |
| kanzure | wonder what this looks like when interpreted in terms of computer science | 20:02 |
| kanzure | ' This theory replaces the belief that nature is fractal, and allow one to design and analyse systems under constraints in a quest for optimality.' | 20:02 |
| kanzure | ' | 20:03 |
| kanzure | According to this, the best that can be done is to optimally distribute the imperfections of the system, and this optimal distribution of imperfection will generate the geometry or shape of the studied system.' | 20:03 |
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| kanzure | optimally distribute imperfections of the system => let the students "optimize" their course schedules by hand .. | 20:05 |
| kanzure | how the hell is this optimal? why not let them select from all possible schedules ... the computation isn't like it's going to crash the servers with only 50k students | 20:05 |
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| kanzure | 'To face and cross the landscape of the computer's information flow, one needs the mental disciplines which the cetics have developed and evolved into the cybernetic senses, Although shih, the sense that 'tastes', feels and organizes varying concentrations of information is the highest of these, there are others. There is plexure and iconic vision, simulation, syntaxis and tempo. Tapas is really more of a mental discipline than a sense; indeed, it is | 23:36 |
| kanzure | 'shih' sounds like it's a reference to some philosophy | 23:36 |
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