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| kanzure | All this moving around makes me forget things. | 10:54 |
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| kanzure | https://www.lib.utexas.edu/etd/d/2007/kurtoglut41118/kurtoglut41118.pdf | 11:30 |
| kanzure | "A computational approach to innovative conceptual design" (Tolga Kurtoglu, 2007) | 11:30 |
| kanzure | Seems to be an explanation of Matt Campbell's work at the Automated Design Lab, under the disguise of a student's thesis. | 11:30 |
| kanzure | basically it uses a "graph grammar", which seems to just mean a text-based interface to graph manipulation, where the graph represents some functional system that is being designed | 11:31 |
| kanzure | page 82 (offset: +20) shows that they just throw the components into a big pot, get out about 8000 results for that particular problem, then apply special algorithms or parameters or something to sort through the generated designs to come up with something good | 11:32 |
| kanzure | which sounds like a good time to mention the 'semantic search facilitator' project / autogoogler thingy, but I realize that I don't actually have any code for it (oops) | 11:33 |
| kanzure | Hm. I was going somewhere with that. | 11:40 |
| kanzure | oh, maybe it was something about the fablab plans. Since fablab has all of their software up on their site for various CAM/CAD conversions, modeling and so on, it might be interesting to throw the full toolchain together from 'semantic search facilitator' or their 'automated' design methodology (just generate everything) and wire it into 'fablab'/fabuntu | 11:58 |
| * kanzure wonders if you can map 3D space into a filesystem (plan9?) so that /mnt/maxtor/ would refer to the physical hard drive location | 12:01 | |
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| kanzure | Hey pks. | 12:57 |
| pks | howdy | 13:10 |
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| kanzure | ybit: Do you have literature access now? | 13:49 |
| kanzure | I was thinking of making a zip with the papers cited in http://www.neuroinf.org/pipermail/comp-neuro/2008-July/000922.html but I'm not sure I want to do it at the moment. | 13:50 |
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| ybit | kanzure, yeah, i do, i've had accesss for awhile now | 14:00 |
| pks | did any of you enter that io9.com "build a lifeform" contest? | 14:54 |
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| kanzure | pks: I might have. I don't remember. | 15:01 |
| kanzure | some of us were talking about submitting some stuffs to them | 15:02 |
| kanzure | did we get around to that or not? | 15:02 |
| pks | hm, speaking of that, spore is coming out shortly (sept 7th) | 15:05 |
| kanzure | Somebody was talking with me about Spore at ArmadilloCon, he was pointing out that Spore kind of screwed up a bit | 15:14 |
| kanzure | they should be making it a bit more of a GA with more incentives for user generated content | 15:14 |
| kanzure | or something, I wish I had his idea written down | 15:14 |
| pks | a GA? | 15:23 |
| kanzure | genetic algorithm | 15:24 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_algorithms | 15:24 |
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| kanzure | Hey newgenome. | 15:33 |
| newgenome | yup | 15:33 |
| pks | I've never seen Drew Endy talk about transhumanism | 15:44 |
| pks | but I'm pretty sure he's a proponent | 15:45 |
| pks | he's hinted at it in a few interviews | 15:45 |
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| kanzure | pks: I've noticed the same as well. | 15:48 |
| pks | have you read "the singularity is near" kanzure? | 15:49 |
| kanzure | yes | 15:49 |
| kanzure | btw, the singularity is near has a dedication in the front | 15:49 |
| kanzure | or maybe it's the "thanks" | 15:50 |
| kanzure | but it's to "David Dalrymple" | 15:50 |
| kanzure | David has showed up in here a few times before :) | 15:50 |
| kanzure | so the book is kind of a "must know" thingy | 15:50 |
| kanzure | even if it's kinda wrong | 15:50 |
| pks | I just started it... | 15:50 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/fernhout/ for a critique of the singularity is near from a F/OSS perspective | 15:50 |
| kanzure | oh | 15:50 |
| kanzure | well, carry on :) | 15:50 |
| pks | I feel like Kurzweil is too optimistic about tech implants for humans | 15:51 |
| kanzure | what's he saying? | 15:51 |
| kanzure | or give me a page number | 15:51 |
| pks | one sec, I'll see if I can find a specific example | 15:52 |
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| pks | meh, I can't find a specific example without rereading | 15:55 |
| kanzure | we were digesting the book like rabid enzymes back up in California for the summer project | 15:57 |
| pks | lol | 15:58 |
| pks | what summer project? | 15:58 |
| pks | and I like the biopunk-esque analogy | 15:58 |
| kanzure | I was working for the Singularity Institute on "The Uncertain Future", a site that would help users reason about probability distributions for their expectations of the developments of various awesome technologies such as ai, intelligence augmentation, multigeneration in vitro embryo selection, neuromorphic ai, brain simulation, etc. | 15:59 |
| pks | cool | 16:00 |
| pks | did you meet eliezer yudkowsky? | 16:00 |
| kanzure | yes | 16:00 |
| pks | i have a bunch of respect for that guy | 16:00 |
| kanzure | I see. | 16:00 |
| pks | that's....ambiguous | 16:01 |
| Nofaris_ | What do you see? | 16:01 |
| kanzure | Eliezer was surrounded by people that couldn't go five minutes without mentioning his name. | 16:01 |
| kanzure | It was a ... cult. | 16:01 |
| kanzure | an ai cult ;-) | 16:01 |
| pks | haha | 16:01 |
| kanzure | "Quick! Let's check overcomingbias!" | 16:02 |
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| Nofaris | Where does the name kanzure come from? | 16:10 |
| Nade | all this stuff is a long way off | 16:13 |
| kanzure | Nofaris: 2003-05-21 --> http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=7659&b=2 | 16:15 |
| kanzure | I know that being young is no excuse for being stupid, but I was pretty stupid, so please be kind when reading that post. | 16:15 |
| kanzure | (I was 13) | 16:15 |
| kanzure | Nade: Intelligence augmentation isn't all that far off especially since we can simulate brains and do implants and so on. | 16:15 |
| kanzure | multigeneration in vitro embryo selection is easily done | 16:15 |
| kanzure | Brain simulation just needs more hardware -- some researchers have it basically "down to an art" but don't have the scaleup required. Markram was thinking of doing direct circuits in FPGAs or even outside of FPGAs to represent each of the algorithms and so on. | 16:16 |
| kanzure | to get the speed/computations he needs. | 16:16 |
| pks | have you ever made a game kanzure? | 16:16 |
| kanzure | oh yes, many | 16:16 |
| pks | you have them online? | 16:16 |
| kanzure | I've lost many of them over the years, but let me see. | 16:17 |
| kanzure | http://web.archive.org/web/*/morph.hey.nu/dbzinsane/ was my 2D DBZ RPG | 16:17 |
| kanzure | http://web.archive.org/web/*/devskills.sytes.net/7k/ was my 2D space shooter | 16:17 |
| kanzure | http://web.archive.org/web/*/animeu.hey.nu/grak/ was my 2D MMORPG :-). It got to the point where I was buying out some art, music, etc. | 16:18 |
| kanzure | I still know the artist, Blake, and the musician, Vincent, as well as a few of the people who were helping me do the programming. | 16:18 |
| kanzure | most of the code is locked on an old laptop hdd that has either died or lost an old IDE cable or something | 16:19 |
| pks | that's cool | 16:19 |
| kanzure | I also had a 3D adventure game going in "Dark Basic" when I was 12, until somebody clued me into some real programming and I hung out on the allegro.cc community for a few years | 16:19 |
| pks | usually amateur mmos don't amount to anything, they're wayyy too difficult and time consuming | 16:19 |
| kanzure | well, | 16:19 |
| kanzure | I was stupid and had OOP madness | 16:19 |
| kanzure | "Everything's an object!" | 16:20 |
| pks | well I think games are the optimal way to teach certain kinds of material | 16:20 |
| kanzure | it didn't go too well :) | 16:20 |
| kanzure | was slow, laggy, lua scripting + tons of objects => failure | 16:20 |
| pks | yeah, none of them do though | 16:20 |
| kanzure | right | 16:20 |
| kanzure | one of my favorites was a dysfunctional game where you would try to draw a path to pop the most balloons with a straight line, or something | 16:20 |
| kanzure | there was some feature where you had to click the balloons/circles | 16:21 |
| kanzure | and it was supposedly novel gameplay | 16:21 |
| kanzure | but it must have been too novel since I've now forgotten what the hell I was doing | 16:21 |
| kanzure | one of those "do a game in 48 hours" things ;-) | 16:21 |
| pks | yeah | 16:21 |
| pks | I want something like Iron Chef for game development | 16:21 |
| pks | make a game in like 5 hours | 16:22 |
| kanzure | an angry chinese man yelling at you? | 16:22 |
| pks | it would be neat to see some higher profile designers doing something small and unique | 16:22 |
| kanzure | no arguments there | 16:27 |
| * kanzure has somewhat fixed calendar.pl .. http://heybryan.org/projects/calendar/ | 16:40 | |
| kanzure | I'm currently testing with two origin events that conflict with one another. Followed by two more which do not conflict. I haven't tried three conflicting events all at the same time .. I'm assuming this works since a three-conflict is just broken up into a conflict, followed by another conflict on the next recursion down anyway, right? | 16:41 |
| fenn | pks: wil wright's "small and unique" game: http://www.stupidfunclub.com/ | 16:55 |
| Nofaris | Weird | 17:00 |
| kanzure | so, would somebody be willing to break my calendar.pl script for me? | 17:01 |
| kanzure | I guess I need to come up with an interface for making new events now | 17:01 |
| kanzure | it's not that hard to figure out the file format | 17:01 |
| * kanzure just got the Singularity Summit 2008 announcement email | 17:03 | |
| fenn | which yaml library should i get? | 17:03 |
| kanzure | I just did cpan -i YAML | 17:04 |
| * fenn tries libyaml-perl | 17:04 | |
| kanzure | um, just in case I was being stupid | 17:05 |
| kanzure | I reuploaded calendar2.pl | 17:05 |
| kanzure | I don't know if I uploaded it after I shouted hurray | 17:05 |
| * fenn grumbles something about git | 17:05 | |
| kanzure | rawr | 17:05 |
| kanzure | where was that cheatsheet I had .. hm .. | 17:06 |
| fenn | it seems that lately everything i do sends this poor laptop into fits | 17:06 |
| kanzure | clean the fan? | 17:06 |
| fenn | fan? what fan? | 17:07 |
| fenn | it doesn't lock up, just 100% cpu usage for like 5 minutes upon installing a package | 17:07 |
| kanzure | I have two | 17:07 |
| kanzure | (fans) | 17:07 |
| kanzure | note that it's a pentium 4 hyperthreading beast, so this thing generates heat faster than a soldering iron | 17:08 |
| fenn | old lappy, i just bought a new micro-atx board so lets hope it works | 17:08 |
| kanzure | also, in the running dir don't forget to mkdir calendars | 17:09 |
| kanzure | wait | 17:09 |
| kanzure | no, that's the old version | 17:09 |
| kanzure | no mkdir required. | 17:09 |
| fenn | it said something about genesis.evt but didnt make any files | 17:09 |
| kanzure | correct | 17:09 |
| kanzure | genesis.evt is just something I was using to make sure all the schedules were originally the same variable | 17:10 |
| kanzure | it doesn't generate files because I'm just printing it out, line 111 should be the open/close file handling routines of lines 137-140 inclusive | 17:10 |
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| kanzure | hi hi hi | 17:13 |
| fenn | so, it sees a conflict between 1 and 2, is it supposed to do something about it? | 17:14 |
| kanzure | it should do something about it | 17:14 |
| kanzure | you should see: genesis.evt,1.evt,3.evt | 17:14 |
| kanzure | and genesis.evt,2.evt,3.evt | 17:14 |
| fenn | no genesis.evt | 17:14 |
| kanzure | do you see the lines saying: "Hm. It must be done: " in the output? | 17:15 |
| fenn | i'm running calendar2.pl btw | 17:15 |
| fenn | Hm. It must be done: genesis.evt,2.evt,3.evt | 17:15 |
| fenn | ok, so uh, that was the output right? | 17:15 |
| kanzure | right | 17:15 |
| kanzure | there should be one that has s/2/1/ in the output too ... | 17:15 |
| fenn | i think its needs a pointy clicky :) | 17:17 |
| kanzure | bah! mortals! | 17:17 |
| kanzure | wget http://heybryan.org/projects/calendar/calendar2.pl --output-document=calendar2.pl | 17:19 |
| kanzure | has better output now | 17:19 |
| kanzure | and uhh, if I can remember how to name initialize this git repository | 17:19 |
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| fenn | may i suggest using unix timestamps instead of local time? | 17:24 |
| kanzure | I was googling around for good stuff and couldn't find much | 17:25 |
| ybit | kanzure, why were you wondering if i still had access to online journals? | 17:26 |
| kanzure | ybit: maybe you wanted to eat the files | 17:26 |
| ybit | ah, i do, but no room right now | 17:27 |
| ybit | which reminds me, i need to order the power supply today | 17:27 |
| * ybit is off to eat with family | 17:27 | |
| kanzure | fenn: git clone http://heybryan.org/projects/calendar/calendar.git | 17:32 |
| kanzure | *maybe* | 17:32 |
| kanzure | fenn: can you find me how to implement unix timestamps? | 17:36 |
| kanzure | oh | 17:36 |
| kanzure | you're talking about the files? | 17:36 |
| kanzure | I thought you meant lines 10 and 11 heh' | 17:37 |
| kanzure | hm | 17:44 |
| kanzure | http://www.utexas.edu/oncampus/calendar/20080830/e5231 | 17:44 |
| kanzure | take a look at the "Download" linkage | 17:44 |
| kanzure | http://www.utexas.edu/oncampus/calendar/save/20080830/e5231 | 17:44 |
| kanzure | it's a somewhat usable format, hurray | 17:45 |
| pks | http://lolcode.com/ | 17:47 |
| kanzure | is bkero multiplying? | 17:47 |
| kanzure | oh | 17:51 |
| kanzure | it's iCalendar format | 17:51 |
| kanzure | for the iPhone. | 17:51 |
| kanzure | huh | 17:51 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICalendar RFC 2245 | 17:51 |
| kanzure | 2445 | 17:51 |
| kanzure | should I just use vcal format or stick with me yaml? | 17:55 |
| kanzure | either way I'll have a user interface that hides the file format anyway | 17:55 |
| kanzure | http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2005/08/18/ical_dot.html 'A somewhat trivial example of this sort of creation is an application that converts iCalendar data into a directed graph, readable by an application such as GraphViz' | 17:56 |
| * kanzure wonders about graph grammars for manipulating calendars | 17:56 | |
| kanzure | http://thegestalt.org/simon/perl/ics2graphviz | 17:59 |
| kanzure | assuming this works, how about some scoring metrics ? | 18:02 |
| fenn | kanzure: unix time stamps: perl -e 'print time . "\n"' | 18:32 |
| fenn | avoids all those nasty time zone issues | 18:34 |
| elias` | 3~ | 18:48 |
| elias` | shouldn't have had this window in focus anyway :s | 18:49 |
| kanzure | the university goes to great lengths to make it a pain to get their course listing database | 18:57 |
| kanzure | although I see some human contents in the HTML, so there's at least a human on the other side | 18:57 |
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| Nade | anyone ever built a brain machine? | 20:21 |
| Nade | or dream machine | 20:21 |
| kanzure | Which one? | 20:21 |
| Nade | those flashing led type sunglasses | 20:22 |
| kanzure | Hm. | 20:22 |
| Nade | i was a bit bored so i've been playing with an arduino :) | 20:22 |
| Nade | i got the leds flashing and i've tried several different frequencies but they're not having much effect on me | 20:23 |
| kanzure | you could make some electrodes :-) | 20:23 |
| kanzure | heh | 20:23 |
| kanzure | remember, it's also possible that it's bullshit | 20:23 |
| Nade | that is quite likely | 20:23 |
| Nade | althogh aparently there's some science behind it | 20:24 |
| Nade | i guess i found out that i'm not really epileptic | 20:28 |
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| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/courses.html | 21:11 |
| kanzure | The dataset is tainted now that mostly everything is closed, but meh. | 21:11 |
| kanzure | I guess we can randomly populate the open/close statuses for testing purposes. | 21:12 |
| kanzure | sometime earlier today the idea came to me that you could fake "mind uploading" in a geeky way by having a live cd with neuroscience software on it | 21:40 |
| kanzure | "brain on a disc" and dazzle some people | 21:41 |
| fenn | call it 'uprap' | 22:07 |
| kanzure | rap? | 22:08 |
| fenn | like reprap, because it's not really mind uploading | 22:09 |
| kanzure | why is reprap with a rap anyway | 22:09 |
| fenn | but you can issue press releases all you want | 22:09 |
| kanzure | this is appealing | 22:09 |
| fenn | rap for rapid prototyper | 22:09 |
| kanzure | see! see! | 22:09 |
| * kanzure notes the easy linux live cd creator scripts out there | 22:10 | |
| fenn | use fsv for the file browser and 99% of people will be astounded | 22:12 |
| kanzure | fsv? | 22:12 |
| fenn | like in jurassic park | 22:12 |
| kanzure | http://nooface.net/3dui.shtml | 22:12 |
| kanzure | ooh | 22:13 |
| kanzure | yep | 22:13 |
| kanzure | http://www.linux-live.org/# | 22:20 |
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| ybit | wow, how did you know that fenn | 22:26 |
| kanzure | Hey Chris. | 22:26 |
| ybit | ...that fsv was used in jurassic park | 22:26 |
| * kanzure doesn't actually know who ChrisMT is | 22:27 | |
| fenn | ybit: because it says 'as seen in jurassic park' on just about every reference to fsn on the internet | 22:29 |
| ybit | fenn: hehe | 22:30 |
| ybit | guess it makes sense | 22:30 |
| ybit | xcruiser is nice | 22:31 |
| ybit | it was with some version of damn small linux i used once | 22:31 |
| fenn | there was another 3d filesystem browser for irix called "button"-something that was actually useful | 22:32 |
| fenn | good lord they're still making irix and people are actually releasing new software for it | 22:33 |
| kanzure | wikipedia says otherwise | 22:35 |
| kanzure | halted in 2006 by SIG | 22:35 |
| kanzure | except for people with bug bucks | 22:35 |
| kanzure | guess that counts. | 22:35 |
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| ybit | http://www.csistick.com/details.html | 22:46 |
| kanzure | uhm, encryption? | 22:49 |
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| kanzure | Hi lkj | 23:22 |
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| kanzure | btw, | 23:28 |
| kanzure | I just uploaded 200 MB of neuro papers | 23:28 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/neuro/ | 23:28 |
| kanzure | Have fun. | 23:28 |
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