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| fenn | i mean why bother with modular robotics if you're going to use a one-off process | 00:01 |
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| fenn | its like making a one-off RV camper | 00:01 |
| kanzure | wait, he's using squirted goo to make his modular robotics? | 00:02 |
| fenn | the molecubes are squired ABS | 00:02 |
| kanzure | ABS? | 00:02 |
| fenn | a plastic | 00:02 |
| fenn | but the shapes are like perfect for standard plastic injection moulding | 00:03 |
| kanzure | I guess as you add stuff to your inventory you just have to be kicked in the ass to write up the sutff to some extent | 00:05 |
| kanzure | but then how do you standardize across different people coming across the same stuff | 00:06 |
| kanzure | argh | 00:06 |
| kanzure | stupid objects | 00:06 |
| kanzure | stupid turtles. | 00:06 |
| fenn | if you're smart, you look before you leap (i.e. dont start writing code when there's already good code out there) | 00:06 |
| fenn | in industry the standard way of connecting two electrical things is with flat headed screws pressing on bare wire :\ | 00:07 |
| fenn | you have to hook them up by hand individually each time | 00:07 |
| kanzure | well sure, but don't you look at the data sheets first ? | 00:07 |
| fenn | we should be able to prevent this from happening to software | 00:07 |
| fenn | the problem in industry is that each manufacturer has their own purposefully incompatible system | 00:08 |
| fenn | so you have to stick with that particular megacorp's system, or else use the lowest common denominator (bare wires) | 00:09 |
| kanzure | stupid. | 00:09 |
| fenn | in software though, a special adaptor plug is free so it shouldnt be a big deal | 00:10 |
| kanzure | but it's software about the manufacturing stuff | 00:10 |
| kanzure | it would be nice if they did what they're supposed to do | 00:10 |
| fenn | eric wilhelm has this 'file format hub' idea which makes a lot of sense, where basically you find and translate all the common factors rather than the lowest common denominator | 00:12 |
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| fenn | the hub has all the factors | 00:12 |
| kanzure | huh? | 00:13 |
| fenn | nevermind. | 00:13 |
| kanzure | http://www.linux.com/feature/48944 | 00:13 |
| kanzure | 'Xara announced in late September that it was sponsoring the development of an open source Uber-Converter -- a universal vector graphics translator that is designed to overcome longstanding issues in converting vector graphics files from format to format.' | 00:13 |
| fenn | yes, that | 00:13 |
| kanzure | 'After looking at the Xar format, which Corel used in the Xara Studio software it licensed from Xara, Harrington said Wilhelm felt it was within the scope of an "uber-converter" he had been working on for about a year for CAD software file formats. Harrington put Wilhelm in touch with Moir in hopes of solving the Inkscape-to-Xara conversion problems.' | 00:14 |
| fenn | so, for example inkscape supports stars and xara supports quintic splines (or whatever) so the hub would have to support both stars and quintic splines | 00:14 |
| fenn | then when you translate from inkscape to xar you either lose the star information or downgrade it into a generic path | 00:15 |
| fenn | and you have to sample the quintic spline to represent it with the cubic spline that inkscape supports | 00:16 |
| kanzure | 'hub' just sounds code for saying "converter" | 00:16 |
| fenn | the difference is that you can go from hub to hub | 00:16 |
| kanzure | the hub isn't the converter? | 00:16 |
| fenn | whereas if you only had existing file formats, information would be lost | 00:16 |
| fenn | the hub is an intermediary file format, like all the factors of two numbers multiplied together | 00:17 |
| kanzure | oh | 00:17 |
| kanzure | wait, you were assuming that the 'industry stuff' gives you file formats in the first place | 00:17 |
| kanzure | from what I've seen, that's only if you open up a contract agreement or something | 00:18 |
| fenn | well, if you dont know how it works, you have to reverse engineer it or just give up | 00:18 |
| kanzure | right | 00:18 |
| fenn | not my fault people are assholes | 00:18 |
| kanzure | but we don't even have the files | 00:18 |
| kanzure | let's pick a website, uhm, give me a few moments | 00:18 |
| fenn | do you understand how this applies to two different representations of a design? say, a chair | 00:19 |
| fenn | same chair, just described with two different cad systems | 00:20 |
| kanzure | http://www.atsautomation.com/automation/automation.asp | 00:21 |
| kanzure | sure | 00:21 |
| kanzure | but not only that, but two different companies giving me a chair or knife and neither of them are giving me their CAD files or XML stuffs | 00:21 |
| fenn | so what | 00:21 |
| fenn | that's like complaining MS won't give away the windows source code | 00:22 |
| fenn | postscript started out proprietary, but it was elegant and worked well, so many free reimplementations were created | 00:24 |
| kanzure | I guess you can do something like bugmenot and just have a repo with a "ghost overlay" where people throwup their writeups for others to use | 00:24 |
| fenn | ah i see.. too bad ghost overlays have never really caught on | 00:25 |
| fenn | probably because they are all obnoxious and finicky | 00:25 |
| kanzure | also because it's a terrible hack | 00:25 |
| fenn | its the old patch/fork problem, without any fork option :( | 00:26 |
| kanzure | can we stab them with a fork? | 00:26 |
| fenn | stab away, jacques | 00:27 |
| kanzure | who? | 00:27 |
| fenn | communist revolution has been tried over and over, it doesn't work | 00:28 |
| kanzure | how is this the communist revolution? | 00:28 |
| fenn | because they won't give us the means to production | 00:28 |
| fenn | get it? | 00:28 |
| kanzure | this wasn't the communist revolution :) | 00:28 |
| kanzure | maybe metaphorically | 00:29 |
| fenn | bbl | 00:30 |
| kanzure | well, wait | 00:30 |
| kanzure | not even debian expects you to download all of the packages from the programmer teams | 00:30 |
| kanzure | so it's kinda the same .. aggregate into large repositories | 00:30 |
| fenn | you have the source though, and the option of forking into your own project | 00:31 |
| fenn | with proprietary commercial stuff you don't have that option, even if you are allowed to distribute all the patches you want | 00:31 |
| fenn | it all works great until the company goes belly up and you can't get your stock un-modded widgets | 00:33 |
| fenn | or they decide to change some miniscule detail that screws everything up | 00:33 |
| fenn | or they do a total redesign and call it the same thing | 00:33 |
| fenn | or they send black hatted storm troopers to bust down your door | 00:34 |
| kanzure | wait, is there anything good about the system? | 00:37 |
| fenn | gives you a head start so you dont have to dig in the dirt for a thousand years | 00:38 |
| fenn | also, the system can be subverted occasionally | 00:38 |
| fenn | like blender, bought the IP rights from a dying software company | 00:38 |
| fenn | usually though you just get some gnarly military-industrial-government fallout like opencascade | 00:39 |
| fenn | useless for mere mortals | 00:39 |
| kanzure | also, I'm talking about more than just software | 00:44 |
| kanzure | "here's the specifications for the materials we offer" | 00:44 |
| Phreedom | fenn: comunist revolution was tried, and of course it doesn't work because people aren't willing to share their physical labor freely... however with information it's somewhat different. people still don't share it as much as we'd want to, but due to the low cost of making copies, the few that do share are enough | 00:44 |
| kanzure | or "here's the tools we make" | 00:44 |
| kanzure | Phreedom: it seems to be just a lack of understanding | 00:44 |
| kanzure | I don't think they see how it works .. normal people don't need to see an operating system, for instance | 00:45 |
| kanzure | uhm, s/normal/typical users/ | 00:45 |
| kanzure | wtf | 00:57 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hole_in_the_Wall_(US_game_show) 'Two teams of three people play, usually male versus female, with a hobby or occupation as the team name. The studio evokes a Japanese game show with the audience having loud noisemakers. Two lifeguards, one male and one female, sit poolside. The contestants are dressed in the familiar silver spandex and wear red or blue helmets, elbow pads, and knee pads depending on the team color.' | 00:57 |
| kanzure | 'After each team (usually male vs female) is announced, the team captain is then instructed to enter the play area, after a countdown the wall is shown, if the contestant makes it through the wall, they earn 1 point for the team, failure equals no points. Then the opposing team tries their luck on a different wall.' | 00:57 |
| kanzure | oh, it's Fox | 00:57 |
| kanzure | http://www.actlab.utexas.edu/pedagogy.shtml 'When the Yale School of Architecture asked what we called our discipline, all the actlabbies sat down and wrote random syllables on pieces of paper. We put those in a box and shook it up, to the accompaniment of tribal noises. Sandy drew two slips out of the box, and on the basis of that she went to New Haven and told them what we did was called Fu Qui.' | 01:00 |
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| kanzure | Hey. | 01:03 |
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| bkero | Wow, I have some stupid friends. | 03:08 |
| bkero | *had some stupid friends, in high school | 03:08 |
| bkero | She started talking and said that one of her favorite subjects is evolution versuse creationaism(she's very fundy) | 03:09 |
| bkero | She started talking and said that one of her favorite subjects is evolution versuse creationaism(she's very fundy) | 03:09 |
| bkero | damn it | 03:09 |
| bkero | Crazy girl from Montana called me again. | 03:09 |
| bkero | and said that one of the flaws in evolution is that amino acids can't develop in the presence of oxygen. | 03:09 |
| fenn | tell her we came from the stars | 03:10 |
| fenn | panspermia.org explains it all | 03:11 |
| bkero | haha | 03:11 |
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| kanzure | they're all crazy | 03:13 |
| fenn | girls? | 03:13 |
| kanzure | yeah. | 03:14 |
| fenn | mostly just the ones named Kate | 03:14 |
| bkero | This one is named emily. | 03:14 |
| bkero | She's a worthless human being with dilusions of becoming ana uthor. | 03:15 |
| kanzure | Ana Uthor? | 03:15 |
| fenn | ana uthor, the bott from sweden? | 03:15 |
| bkero | An author | 03:15 |
| fenn | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rHvMZnWVOvs | 03:16 |
| bkero | She does nothing but work at safeway, sit at home and readmanga all day, and get fat off junk food. | 03:16 |
| bkero | *read manga | 03:17 |
| kanzure | Something wrong with manga? | 03:17 |
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| fenn | oops that one has no english subtitles, you guys probably dont know swedish eh | 03:18 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/meetings.txt rawr | 03:19 |
| kanzure | hm, have to schedule dr. campbell in there somewhere | 03:21 |
| kanzure | maybe i'll go yell at him for using c# | 03:21 |
| fenn | what's wrong with C#? | 03:21 |
| kanzure | the 800 pound gorilla told me to use it | 03:22 |
| kanzure | I've been suspicous ever since | 03:22 |
| fenn | fair enuf | 03:22 |
| bkero | Uh | 03:24 |
| bkero | The problem with C# is that it compiles into .net code | 03:24 |
| kanzure | the 800 pound gorilla? | 03:24 |
| fenn | i havent really looked at it, i just assumed it was C with OOP extensions | 03:24 |
| kanzure | Microsoft written all over it IIRC | 03:25 |
| fenn | maybe i'm thinking of something else | 03:25 |
| bkero | It's just a dotnet bytecode interpreter | 03:26 |
| bkero | Or rather dotnet bytecode compiler | 03:27 |
| kanzure | hm, it wouldn't be terribly hard to write a crawler for digikey and mouser and seedpot the 'ghost overlay' thingy | 03:27 |
| bkero | So it produces the same code as visual basic .net | 03:27 |
| fenn | kanzure: and provide sort by price function? you could sell that for millions | 03:27 |
| kanzure | they don't sort by price? | 03:27 |
| kanzure | wtf? | 03:27 |
| kanzure | I'm assuming there's some sort of technical metadata for each item | 03:28 |
| fenn | no i emailed several years ago and they promised they were working on it | 03:28 |
| kanzure | "yes sir, right away ... " > /dev/null | 03:28 |
| fenn | you can sort every conceivable property except price | 03:28 |
| kanzure | bwahah | 03:28 |
| bkero | price changes depending on quantity ordered | 03:28 |
| kanzure | bah | 03:29 |
| kanzure | how hard could it be to steal their catalog | 03:30 |
| bkero | It's easier to tell people to fuck off rather than explain things to them. | 03:30 |
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| kanzure | no, I'm sure fenn knows about bulk pricing options | 03:30 |
| kanzure | also sure he doesn't care that much | 03:30 |
| kanzure | bulk resistors or something maybe | 03:30 |
| bkero | Going to make some elctroncics? | 03:30 |
| kanzure | http://digi-key.dirxion.com/default.asp | 03:31 |
| bkero | electronics | 03:31 |
| kanzure | fenn has a lair | 03:31 |
| kanzure | haha | 03:31 |
| kanzure | requires flash | 03:31 |
| kanzure | wtf is this bullshit | 03:31 |
| kanzure | 'Download Interactive Catalog for PCs (.exe - 457MB)' | 03:31 |
| kanzure | on a crappy connection | 03:32 |
| fenn | hmm i whined about that too when it was introduced, there should still be links to individual pdf pages | 03:32 |
| kanzure | http://pdfcatalog.digikey.com/T083/digikey.pdf 100 MB wtf | 03:33 |
| fenn | well you dont download the catalog.. | 03:33 |
| kanzure | hm? | 03:33 |
| bkero | I got 2 giant digikey catalog books | 03:33 |
| bkero | I can send them to you if you want. | 03:33 |
| kanzure | in print? | 03:33 |
| bkero | http://www.gametrailers.com/player/39284.html | 03:35 |
| bkero | Yes | 03:35 |
| kanzure | why | 03:35 |
| fenn | i read an article about that, it sounded pretty neat | 03:36 |
| fenn | every nut and bolt on every object in the game has some real engineering purpose for how that object is built | 03:36 |
| bkero | Come on, it's a gritty future where the only form of currency is BOTTLE CAPS | 03:38 |
| fenn | hmm my laptop sucks too much to play that | 03:39 |
| fenn | wmv | 03:39 |
| kanzure | me too | 03:39 |
| bkero | I got 2 8800GTs in preparation. | 03:39 |
| bkero | SLI | 03:39 |
| bkero | It's the only reason I'm bringing my computer to new york. | 03:39 |
| fenn | i almost bought a "real" video card two days ago, then i decided i would never use it | 03:41 |
| bkero | Depends on if you think of using OpenCL or GPGPU stuff. | 03:41 |
| kanzure | CL? | 03:41 |
| bkero | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenCL | 03:42 |
| kanzure | not another typo? | 03:42 |
| fenn | is there any discernable difference between 8800GT and 8800GS? | 03:42 |
| bkero | Yes | 03:42 |
| willPow3r | yes | 03:43 |
| bkero | Shader count, clockspeed, slower memory | 03:44 |
| fenn | but, can you actually see any difference? | 03:44 |
| fenn | i mean, i dont know how these numbers really affect anything | 03:44 |
| willPow3r | depends on the game | 03:44 |
| bkero | Yes | 03:44 |
| bkero | Really depends on the ersolution and rendering options you want | 03:45 |
| willPow3r | its the difference between low and medium graphics on crysis | 03:45 |
| bkero | I run 1920x1080 with high options in crysis | 03:45 |
| bkero | On an 8800gs it would be below 5fps | 03:45 |
| willPow3r | i've read that sli doesn't make much difference | 03:46 |
| willPow3r | but on my 8800gs i can run it on 1920x1200 on medium and get 30 fps | 03:47 |
| bkero | on crysis? | 03:50 |
| willPow3r | yea | 03:50 |
| bkero | That sounds a bit high. | 03:50 |
| willPow3r | oh, sorry | 03:51 |
| willPow3r | i have a 8800gts | 03:51 |
| willPow3r | not gs | 03:51 |
| bkero | Yea | 03:51 |
| willPow3r | but you're running sli right? | 03:52 |
| bkero | http://en.hardspell.com/doc/showcont.asp?news_id=2159 | 03:52 |
| bkero | Yes | 03:52 |
| willPow3r | do you notice a significant performance improvement over non-sli? | 03:53 |
| bkero | Some games | 03:53 |
| bkero | It's usually transparent to games though since I run most of my games in WINE. | 03:53 |
| willPow3r | crysis? in wine? | 03:54 |
| bkero | Heh no | 03:54 |
| bkero | Not crysis | 03:54 |
| bkero | Most games | 03:54 |
| bkero | JESUS CHRIST | 04:06 |
| willPow3r | tourettes? | 04:06 |
| bkero | In Fallout 3 you can build weapons. One of which is called a "railway rifle" | 04:06 |
| bkero | It shoots railroad spikes | 04:06 |
| bkero | You decapitate people with railroad spikes. | 04:07 |
| willPow3r | that's very innovative | 04:07 |
| willPow3r | not as cool as wolfenstein 3d, however | 04:13 |
| bkero | I dunno | 04:13 |
| bkero | I've played both | 04:13 |
| bkero | and I've enjoyed this more. | 04:13 |
| willPow3r | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/69/Wolf3d_pc.png | 04:14 |
| willPow3r | can't really compete against these graphics | 04:14 |
| bkero | Yea I've played it | 04:14 |
| bkero | One has nazis | 04:14 |
| bkero | and one has 50s american art deco in apocalypse. | 04:14 |
| faceface | is the email thing still working? | 04:21 |
| faceface | http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pgen.1000167 | 04:27 |
| * bkero watches some TED videos. | 04:36 | |
| bkero | You all have seen those before, yes? | 04:36 |
| faceface | yes | 04:37 |
| faceface | (some) | 04:37 |
| willPow3r | ted nugent right? | 04:38 |
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| kanzure | http://www.phlatboyz.com/ | 11:32 |
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| kanzure | Where the hell is XPP? | 11:46 |
| kanzure | It's a computational neuroscience software package. | 11:46 |
| kanzure | Hm, new list to join - http://visionscience.com/pipermail/visionlist/2007/002438.html | 11:46 |
| kanzure | Hm, new list to join - http://www.neuro-it.net/pipermail/general/2004-April/000070.html | 11:46 |
| kanzure | Aha | 11:47 |
| kanzure | http://www.hirnforschung.net/cneuro/cneuro_software.htm | 11:47 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Computational_neuroscience <-- Updated | 11:54 |
| kanzure | Dumping just half of those into "brain on a disc" would work. | 11:55 |
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| kanzure | http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~douglasr/prize/ <-- I was just linking Charlie to this. I saw under my eye a mention of Hod Lipson on the page .. | 12:58 |
| kanzure | http://custom.nimblex.net/ AJAX-like live CD generator? end of the world | 12:59 |
| kanzure | regolith challenge ended earlier today - the lunar excavation challenge competition | 13:00 |
| kanzure | nobody won | 13:00 |
| kanzure | 'Live-xmaker is a command line front-end to live-helper, inspired by morphix-mmaker[4][5] (written by Alex de Landgraaf). This allows all the configurations for a liveCD build to be specified in one XML file. [...]' | 13:01 |
| kanzure | http://git.debian.net/?p=live-helper.git | 13:01 |
| kanzure | http://www.livedistro.org/resources/documentation/howtos/building-your-own-scientific-linux-livecd | 13:04 |
| kanzure | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/ISO <-- surprisingly simple | 13:12 |
| kanzure | hahah | 13:12 |
| kanzure | Somebody just searched for "homemade transcutaneous electrical neural stimulation download" | 13:12 |
| kanzure | Got my bookmarks. | 13:12 |
| kanzure | 88.192.33.38 | 13:13 |
| kanzure | Fedora user. | 13:13 |
| kanzure | sic him | 13:13 |
| kanzure | http://www.mcell.cnl.salk.edu/ <-- Ho hum, a good diagram. | 13:33 |
| kanzure | Charlie made it to boingboing http://www.boingboing.net/2008/09/01/howto-make-a-3d-prin.html#comments | 13:41 |
| kanzure | http://www.psics.org/forum/index.php?topic=5.0 <-- small forum but lightning fast response :) | 13:56 |
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| kanzure | http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/HHsim/ <-- Why is the linux download 200 MB ? | 14:07 |
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| kanzure | http://www.cse.unr.edu/brain/FILES_HTML/welcome_frame.html 'NCS3 enables neuroscientists to design, execute, and analyze large-scale, biologically realistic brain simulations using the supercomputing Beowulf network of the University of Nevada, Reno. Our goal is to emulate a multicolumnar brain of up to 1 million compartmental neurons by the year 2003. NCS3 is intended to augment laboratory experimentation to yield a depper understanding of brain phys | 14:57 |
| kanzure | This sounds familiar ... | 14:57 |
| kanzure | http://brain.unr.edu/ncsDocs/ | 15:02 |
| kanzure | ^ that may or may not be Markram's neocortical simulator | 15:02 |
| kanzure | http://cortex.cse.unr.edu:8000/ganglia/ <-- cortex cluster report | 15:03 |
| kanzure | http://ganglia.sf.net/ | 15:03 |
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| kanzure | hrm | 15:37 |
| kanzure | http://www.mormonism-engineering.org/ | 15:37 |
| kanzure | so 'cosmoforming' is what they call it now, eh | 15:38 |
| kanzure | alright, so about 400 MB of software | 15:49 |
| kanzure | and it's all terribly documented (of course) | 15:49 |
| kanzure | hm, I'm kind of surprised that somebody is technically competent enough to be able to pull "live news" off these days | 16:05 |
| kanzure | on television. | 16:05 |
| kanzure | http://www.eyeondna.com/2008/05/10/dna-video-pimp-my-genome-google-tech-talk-with-andrew-hessel/ | 16:29 |
| kanzure | oh shit, Andrew did a Google TechTalk | 16:29 |
| kanzure | this isn't the presentation he gave at BioBarCamp | 16:29 |
| kanzure | but close enough | 16:29 |
| bkero | http://blogoscoped.com.nyud.net/google-chrome/ | 16:34 |
| ybit | http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24279207-30417,00.html | 16:35 |
| kanzure | http://blogoscoped.com.nyud.net/archive/2008-09-01-n47.html | 16:36 |
| kanzure | I don't get it. | 16:36 |
| kanzure | what does this Google Chrome actually *do* | 16:36 |
| bkero | lol | 16:37 |
| kanzure | http://blogoscoped.com.nyud.net/google-chrome/3 <-- multithreaded browser? | 16:38 |
| kanzure | ok, that's worthwhile | 16:38 |
| kanzure | http://blogoscoped.com.nyud.net/google-chrome/4 | 16:38 |
| kanzure | bah | 16:38 |
| kanzure | multiple threads running on the proc | 16:38 |
| kanzure | sure, but just try running a few hundred instances of firefox | 16:38 |
| bkero | child processes :P | 16:40 |
| kanzure | isn't this like my konqueror idea | 16:40 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/projects/browsehack/tabtabtab.html | 16:41 |
| kanzure | http://blogoscoped.com.nyud.net/google-chrome/7 <-- is it really safe to be instantiating the whole damn rendering engine each time ? just saying .. | 16:41 |
| kanzure | #9 <-- haha, masochists :) | 16:42 |
| kanzure | oh, 20 minutes into that video I linked to | 16:43 |
| kanzure | is what you want to see. | 16:43 |
| kanzure | http://blogoscoped.com.nyud.net/google-chrome/13 javascript vm ? | 16:46 |
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| kanzure | it's weird, Andrew is much less coherent in the 2007 video | 17:01 |
| kanzure | I'm guessing he had practice up to August '08 | 17:01 |
| kanzure | 40 min - 'Drew Endy has been going around talking about bio fabs' eh, he rarely mentions bio fabs | 17:01 |
| kanzure | (Drew, I mean) | 17:02 |
| kanzure | oh | 17:23 |
| kanzure | http://richardjschueler.com/wp-gallery2.php?g2_itemId=57070 | 17:23 |
| kanzure | that's a much better video about what he's doing | 17:23 |
| kanzure | http://www.arl.org/sparc/ | 17:37 |
| kanzure | for open access stuffs | 17:37 |
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| procto | kanzure: I think it's likely that rather than instantiating a wholly new renderer, they will copy one into the new process memory | 18:24 |
| kanzure | isn't it a large struct anyway though ? | 18:25 |
| kanzure | eh | 18:25 |
| kanzure | I suppose it's okay anyway though | 18:25 |
| kanzure | because of guys like at openmosix | 18:25 |
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| kanzure | or the kernel modules to save procs to hdd | 18:25 |
| procto | you can't optimally maximize ALL variables, you maximize some mole than other- :> | 18:25 |
| kanzure | so when you get up to 500 tabs, I won't have to worry | 18:25 |
| procto | in this case, compartmentalization is mole important than memory use | 18:25 |
| procto | because though use will be high, reuse will also be high | 18:26 |
| procto | and for power users of tabs like you, it's heaven sent | 18:26 |
| procto | where heaven == google :> | 18:26 |
| procto | I've been using a rough equiv of their UI by using vimperator | 18:27 |
| kanzure | vimperator for vim ? | 18:31 |
| kanzure | also, their ui seems to suck | 18:31 |
| kanzure | why not a vertical tab list? | 18:31 |
| kanzure | hopefully they thought about that and have it extendable or something | 18:31 |
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| kanzure | Phreedom: one page writeup or just /part now | 18:43 |
| kanzure | :p | 18:43 |
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| kanzure | haha | 18:44 |
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| kanzure | :) | 18:44 |
| Phreedom | everywhere I go somebody wants me to do something | 18:44 |
| kanzure | rawr | 18:44 |
| fenn | "google - placing blame where blame belongs" | 19:24 |
| kanzure | on the browser? | 20:08 |
| kanzure | but really Phreedom, it'd be nice | 20:09 |
| kanzure | even wild ranting :) | 20:09 |
| Phreedom | kanzure_: I know I know | 20:09 |
| Phreedom | I'd like to share it too | 20:09 |
| kanzure | ? | 20:09 |
| kanzure | Can't ? | 20:09 |
| Phreedom | need time as always :( | 20:10 |
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| kanzure | hm | 20:49 |
| kanzure | Any ideas on ripping partsregistry.org ? | 20:49 |
| kanzure | I'm thinking that it might be a good dataset to play with on graph-demo/graph-easy, the javascript graphviz implementation | 20:50 |
| kanzure | but I need to download the "parts" | 20:50 |
| kanzure | Argh. This site is annoying too. | 21:33 |
| kanzure | What happened to the good old days when people just threw up files in directories? | 21:33 |
| kanzure | I feel like I'm herding turtles. | 21:34 |
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| fenn | you could just ask them for a .zip of all the files | 21:45 |
| kanzure | hackers don't have to ask | 21:46 |
| kanzure | am I leet hax0r yet? | 21:46 |
| kanzure | maybe I will | 21:46 |
| kanzure | not now though, I was kinda hoping to only spend 10 minutes on this stupid problem | 21:46 |
| fenn | ask now so you have what you need next time you feel like working on it | 21:47 |
| kanzure | http://partsregistry.org/Registry_Software:PERL_Modules:PlateImage.pm hrm | 21:47 |
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| kanzure | wah, I don't feel like being social right now | 21:49 |
| kanzure | who do I have to yell at | 21:49 |
| kanzure | is it Bill Flanagan? | 21:49 |
| kanzure | I know he does openwetware | 21:49 |
| kanzure | does he do partsregistry too? | 21:49 |
| kanzure | http://partsregistry.org/Registry:Feature_requests <-- old stuff .. Endy's #2 is pretty easy .. if I had what I wanted here | 21:50 |
| fenn | this is really a prime candidate for git-ification | 21:52 |
| fenn | or at least some kind of distributed archiving | 21:52 |
| kanzure | no kidding .. | 21:53 |
| kanzure | and it's something that can be forked | 21:53 |
| kanzure | ;-) | 21:53 |
| kanzure | I was going to see if I could throw this into the graph-easy/graph-demo pages that had the javascript + graphviz stuff | 21:53 |
| kanzure | as an alternative route to turtleworkers from the fabrication industries just for the moment :) | 21:54 |
| kanzure | as in, just for the night | 21:54 |
| kanzure | but again another stupid technical decision on their end, so.. | 21:54 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/biobricks.js is their javascript from the view page | 21:54 |
| kanzure | http://partsregistry.org/wiki/index.php/Part:BBa_J01080 | 21:54 |
| kanzure | now, it looks like they're making an invisible form somehow | 21:55 |
| kanzure | <INPUT type='hidden' id='new_dna_format' name='new_dna_format' value='' /> <INPUT type='hidden' id='selection_start' name='selection_start' value='14' /> <INPUT type='hidden' id='selection_end' name='selection_end' value='0' /> | 21:55 |
| fenn | that's a common way of preserving user variables, like view mode | 21:55 |
| kanzure | that might be all .. but if it was, wouldn't that be in the GET rather than POST ? | 21:55 |
| kanzure | I don't see any form element telling the browser to post | 21:56 |
| kanzure | there's also nothing in the js saying to do a post and not a get | 21:56 |
| fenn | GET url's with lots of variables are ugly, or something | 21:56 |
| kanzure | sure they are, but I don't see how they're making it not do a GET here | 21:56 |
| kanzure | oh, also, the INPUT vars there are not enough - there must be something else hidden here that I'm missing | 21:56 |
| fenn | form.method = 'POST'; | 21:57 |
| kanzure | that tells it the id of the page that I'm coming from | 21:57 |
| kanzure | you see that in the js ? | 21:57 |
| kanzure | stupid vim search function .. (yes, I escape quoted the period) | 21:57 |
| fenn | the period? | 21:57 |
| kanzure | aha | 21:57 |
| kanzure | got it | 21:57 |
| kanzure | yes | 21:57 |
| kanzure | line 1164 ? | 21:57 |
| fenn | i use / for searches | 21:57 |
| kanzure | me too | 21:57 |
| kanzure | primaryPartId .. excellent. | 21:58 |
| fenn | shouldnt that say something like BBa_J01080 | 21:59 |
| kanzure | yes | 21:59 |
| fenn | is there some way to translate other languages into javascript? | 22:00 |
| kanzure | like what? | 22:00 |
| kanzure | don't we have some java-to-c stuff out there ? | 22:01 |
| kanzure | or the other way around ? | 22:01 |
| fenn | it just seems weird that javascript is the only language you can run in a browser | 22:01 |
| kanzure | VB Script | 22:02 |
| kanzure | don't know why everyone is fascinated with javascript | 22:02 |
| kanzure | apt-get is perfectly fine for giving your clients some programs | 22:02 |
| kanzure | heck, they're basically using it when they type in the address each time I guess | 22:02 |
| kanzure | hm, http://partsregistry.org/cgi/partsdb/puttext.cgi?primaryPartId=BBa_J01080 is not enough | 22:03 |
| kanzure | although I'm making the assumption that it accepts GET as well | 22:03 |
| * kanzure checks with wget | 22:03 | |
| kanzure | same thing | 22:03 |
| kanzure | why is no sequence specified? | 22:05 |
| kanzure | isn't that what should be in the db? | 22:05 |
| fenn | http://partsregistry.org/cgi/partsdb/puttext.cgi?primaryPartId=BBa_J01080&seqHidden=Hi%20Bryan! | 22:06 |
| kanzure | wtf | 22:06 |
| kanzure | what is the purpose of this cgi script | 22:06 |
| fenn | is there a way to intercept the POST variables? | 22:07 |
| kanzure | perhaps with a firefox extension | 22:07 |
| kanzure | I was toying around with that in lynx to no avail | 22:08 |
| kanzure | (did not exist) | 22:08 |
| kanzure | clearly there's some information being drawn out from somewhere on this page | 22:10 |
| kanzure | if you press 'view source' it's not there | 22:11 |
| kanzure | oh | 22:11 |
| kanzure | it's an extension | 22:11 |
| kanzure | to mediawiki. | 22:11 |
| kanzure | by 'view source' I mean the link on the page | 22:12 |
| kanzure | how do I use mysqladmin to investigate foreign hosts | 22:16 |
| kanzure | I thought it would just be mysqladmin --host=partsregistry.org | 22:16 |
| fenn | would they leave the db open to random connections? | 22:19 |
| fenn | is that standard practice? | 22:19 |
| kanzure | when you install mysql your username and password is like "root" and "" | 22:19 |
| fenn | hmm | 22:19 |
| fenn | i should hope they changed that | 22:20 |
| kanzure | which is probably the stupidest thing ever | 22:20 |
| fenn | this gives new meaning to biohacker :) | 22:20 |
| kanzure | http://partsregistry.org/Assembly:Robotic_Assembly:Files buh ? | 22:22 |
| kanzure | http://partsregistry.org/DAS_-_Distributed_Annotation_System | 22:22 |
| kanzure | ah | 22:22 |
| kanzure | I am saved | 22:22 |
| kanzure | I love Randy. | 22:22 |
| kanzure | http://partsregistry.org/das/protein_annotations/dna?selection=PartName:firstbase,lastbase | 22:22 |
| kanzure | XML | 22:22 |
| kanzure | http://partsregistry.org/das/parts/entry_points/ | 22:23 |
| kanzure | bahhahah | 22:24 |
| kanzure | is that it? | 22:24 |
| kanzure | hm | 22:24 |
| kanzure | I wish I could make NY Times with only <300 items in a db | 22:24 |
| fenn | well they do actually do something (so i hear) | 22:25 |
| fenn | are all the parts proteins? | 22:27 |
| kanzure | http://partsregistry.org/das/parts/features/?segment=BBa_R0050:0,500000 | 22:27 |
| kanzure | is this usable ? | 22:27 |
| kanzure | I mean, the data looks .. like little | 22:27 |
| kanzure | hm | 22:27 |
| kanzure | no, some of them are promoter sequences for example | 22:27 |
| fenn | thats just the annotation, but you still need the actual sequence right? | 22:28 |
| fenn | looks like a plasmid | 22:29 |
| fenn | ah here's the sequence http://partsregistry.org/das/parts/dna/?segment=BBa_R0050:0,500000 | 22:30 |
| fenn | s/features/dna/ | 22:31 |
| kanzure | okay, so takin the other features/ page, | 22:31 |
| kanzure | *taking | 22:31 |
| kanzure | how is this usable if I was to throw this into a giant pot | 22:31 |
| kanzure | for designing circuits ? | 22:31 |
| kanzure | I mean, it doesn't look all that useful .. | 22:31 |
| fenn | well, i have no idea | 22:31 |
| kanzure | there's a start and end portion of the 'features' in the fle there it seems | 22:31 |
| fenn | wtf is BBa_R0050 for example | 22:31 |
| kanzure | feature id | 22:31 |
| kanzure | <FEATURE id='2018' label='putative'> | 22:31 |
| kanzure | <TYPE id='start' category='translation'>start</TYPE> | 22:31 |
| kanzure | is that literally meaning ' the start of translation ' ? | 22:32 |
| kanzure | http://partsregistry.org/wiki/index.php/Part:BBa_R0050 | 22:33 |
| kanzure | it's a promoter | 22:33 |
| fenn | hmm what's the start codon again? | 22:34 |
| fenn | ATG = start | 22:35 |
| fenn | at 35 i see an ATG | 22:35 |
| fenn | at 41 there's CAT which is the complement | 22:36 |
| * fenn counts again | 22:36 | |
| fenn | er, right, so going backwards on the other strand starting at 43 would be the start codon (start translation) | 22:37 |
| kanzure | count? char count in vim .. | 22:39 |
| kanzure | CAT is not the complement of ATG | 22:40 |
| kanzure | ATG & TAC | 22:40 |
| kanzure | fuck | 22:40 |
| * kanzure hangs his head in shame | 22:40 | |
| kanzure | I don't understand how there's "on the other strand" | 22:40 |
| kanzure | this is all one strand, no? | 22:40 |
| fenn | it's double stranded DNA | 22:42 |
| kanzure | so, {strand1}{complement} ? | 22:42 |
| fenn | the arrow on their annotation is going the wrong way for my idea to be right | 22:42 |
| fenn | i dont remember or know what pM and pR mean | 22:43 |
| kanzure | haven't heard of those variables either | 22:43 |
| kanzure | why would they tell you the complementary strand anyway? | 22:43 |
| kanzure | that's easily computed | 22:43 |
| fenn | because humans are looking at it | 22:44 |
| fenn | The pL, pR and pM promoters of lambdoid phages direct the transcription of early phage genes and the prophage repressor gene. | 22:44 |
| fenn | i'm going to name my son lambdoid | 22:45 |
| kanzure | then where is the complementary strand beginning/ending in the features/ page ? | 22:48 |
| fenn | sorry i think i confused you | 22:49 |
| fenn | the features page only has annotation for one direction | 22:50 |
| fenn | one strand | 22:50 |
| kanzure | so it applies to exactly 50% of the nucleotides on the dna/ page | 22:50 |
| kanzure | oh wait | 22:50 |
| kanzure | is there a newline in there? | 22:50 |
| fenn | no, the dna page only gives you one direction | 22:50 |
| kanzure | hm, nope | 22:50 |
| kanzure | oh | 22:50 |
| fenn | newlines are just to make it fit into 100 columns | 22:51 |
| fenn | if the seq length is > 100 | 22:51 |
| fenn | one would think there might be human readable comments in the DTD explaining wtf each field means | 22:52 |
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| kanzure | hm | 22:55 |
| kanzure | http://partsregistry.org/das/parts/features/?segment=BBa_F2622:0,500000 | 22:55 |
| kanzure | it doesn't seem to have much of a difference really | 22:55 |
| kanzure | this is a 'sender device' | 22:55 |
| kanzure | whatever that means | 22:55 |
| fenn | oo that's a bit more complex | 22:56 |
| fenn | c3hsl appears to be some kind of inter-bacterial communication molecule | 22:58 |
| fenn | erm, c6 = hexanoyl homoserine lactone | 22:59 |
| fenn | i have this feeling like when starting at an electrical schematic written in russian | 23:00 |
| fenn | staring* | 23:01 |
| kanzure | I'm not even sure this tells us anything useful | 23:01 |
| fenn | the annotation shows you how it's put together | 23:02 |
| fenn | there doesn't appear to be any formalized usage information though, like 'whats it good for' | 23:02 |
| fenn | what does PoPs mean? | 23:02 |
| fenn | polymerase per second | 23:03 |
| * fenn looks around for an axe | 23:03 | |
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| kanzure | newgenome just found me a meeting with Dr. Mauk :-) | 23:04 |
| kanzure | the "Building Brains" guy | 23:04 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/buildingbrains.html | 23:04 |
| newgenome | you going to the singularity summit? | 23:05 |
| kanzure | Can't afford the flight. | 23:06 |
| kanzure | I have people that would put me up, but not the cash to get up there. | 23:06 |
| fenn | which Dr Mauk? | 23:06 |
| kanzure | fenn: he's teaching a freshman-only first-semester-only class on "building brains" | 23:06 |
| kanzure | http://clm.utexas.edu/CLMsite/Mauk.html | 23:08 |
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| kanzure | 'The cerebellum is especially amenable to analysis using computer simulations, due to the relatively simple way it is engaged by motor learning and to it’s well known and simple synaptic organization. We use large-scale simulations designed to reflect as accurately as possible key properties of the cerebellum to 1) test hypotheses regarding network properties of the cerebellum, 2) identify key experiments, and 3) as an overall index of our understan | 23:08 |
| kanzure | basically it's probably some guys sitting around doing pGENESIS or O'Reilly's PDP++ | 23:09 |
| kanzure | the class is fairly simple | 23:10 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/Building Brains Syllabus.pdf | 23:11 |
| kanzure | I missed the first two days of class since I didn't know of its existence | 23:11 |
| newgenome | you got into building brains? | 23:11 |
| kanzure | yes | 23:11 |
| newgenome | what do you do? | 23:11 |
| kanzure | I haven't attended yet :-) | 23:11 |
| newgenome | oh | 23:12 |
| kanzure | I was surprised to find a class with the same name as http://heybryan.org/buildingbrains.html | 23:12 |
| kanzure | obviously he's talking about digital brains | 23:12 |
| kanzure | but meh | 23:12 |
| newgenome | the cerebellum | 23:12 |
| newgenome | that's motor coordination | 23:12 |
| newgenome | right? | 23:12 |
| newgenome | this might be useful for ninja reflexes | 23:13 |
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| kanzure | Yes, or it might be useful so that I don't go insane not talking with anybody who knows what it is that I play around with at home | 23:13 |
| fenn | hear hear | 23:13 |
| newgenome | do you have any tissue cultures going yet? | 23:14 |
| kanzure | No supplies. | 23:15 |
| newgenome | I hear they are easy to do | 23:15 |
| kanzure | hahah | 23:15 |
| kanzure | How so? | 23:15 |
| fenn | there sure is a lot of AI stuff on the syllabus (more "cognitive science" than neuro) | 23:15 |
| kanzure | I know :-( | 23:15 |
| kanzure | but it's Building Brains, not Building Minds | 23:15 |
| newgenome | almost the same thing | 23:15 |
| fenn | not at all | 23:15 |
| kanzure | wtf is a mind? | 23:15 |
| fenn | one is philosophical wankery, the other is pure empirical observation | 23:16 |
| kanzure | well, also with some occassional wankery | 23:16 |
| fenn | naturally | 23:16 |
| kanzure | "computer simulation project approved by instructor" | 23:17 |
| fenn | i'm more inclined to the philosophical wankery of cog-sci than neuro myself | 23:17 |
| kanzure | "my plan is to convert jupiter into a brain" | 23:17 |
| kanzure | what do you mean? | 23:17 |
| newgenome | heh | 23:17 |
| fenn | talking to me? | 23:17 |
| kanzure | mm | 23:17 |
| kanzure | yes | 23:17 |
| fenn | well, if you figure out how a human brain works, you'll end up being able to make human-level intelligence (naughty word) | 23:17 |
| newgenome | could you send me the syllabus | 23:18 |
| kanzure | newgenome: I linked you to it | 23:18 |
| newgenome | the page you set up is 404 error | 23:18 |
| fenn | but i think nature has already optimized just about everything as usual, and it will be very hard to improve on the existing brain design | 23:18 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/Building%20Brains%20Syllabus.pdf | 23:18 |
| kanzure | try that | 23:18 |
| fenn | so, cog-sci breaks it down into pure first principles, from which we can come up with new cognitive architectures | 23:19 |
| newgenome | much better | 23:19 |
| kanzure | what do you mean by first principles | 23:19 |
| kanzure | because right now it sounds like wankery | 23:19 |
| fenn | the problem is that there's really no way to test the first principles in reality, they're sort of like religious beliefs | 23:19 |
| kanzure | unless you actually refer to something here | 23:19 |
| kanzure | epistemology? | 23:19 |
| fenn | at least at the current point in time, we dont have any kind of test bed | 23:20 |
| kanzure | test bed of what | 23:20 |
| kanzure | Wed. 10th of Sept: "Class discussion: How would we know a computer was intelligent?" | 23:21 |
| kanzure | "Counter question, professor: How would we know that YOU are intelligent?" | 23:21 |
| fenn | well, the problem seems to be figuring out how we do what we do | 23:21 |
| fenn | but we dont know what exactly it is that we do | 23:21 |
| kanzure | fenn: most programmers do little | 23:21 |
| newgenome | I don't think I'll take that class | 23:21 |
| newgenome | not this semester at least | 23:21 |
| kanzure | it's this semester only | 23:21 |
| kanzure | freshmen only | 23:21 |
| newgenome | I here elective classes like this can be prttty hard | 23:21 |
| newgenome | dang | 23:21 |
| kanzure | This isn't going to be hard | 23:21 |
| newgenome | that's a hard choice | 23:22 |
| kanzure | ai stuff and cog sci is still opinion-oriented | 23:22 |
| fenn | freshmen only? thats weird | 23:22 |
| newgenome | that is usually indicative of paper writing | 23:22 |
| kanzure | he tells us to send him email about our philosophical problems | 23:22 |
| kanzure | in the syllabus | 23:22 |
| kanzure | so | 23:22 |
| kanzure | I'm thinking something odd is going on here | 23:22 |
| fenn | its a CULT!!!!!11 | 23:22 |
| kanzure | gasp | 23:23 |
| fenn | rofl | 23:23 |
| newgenome | oh noes | 23:23 |
| kanzure | no, I refer to the fact that he wants us to send him email | 23:23 |
| kanzure | who does that? :p | 23:23 |
| fenn | well, i suppose it makes more sense than typing up a MS-word document and printing it out | 23:23 |
| fenn | its not like all professors are just trying to get their own research done and have to teach some stupid freshman class | 23:24 |
| kanzure | wouldn't he rather teach some serious comp neurosci to grad students? | 23:24 |
| fenn | dunno, maybe he's in the wrong field and would rather be doing philosophy or cog-sci | 23:25 |
| kanzure | mm | 23:25 |
| newgenome | or maybe he is using it as a filler | 23:25 |
| kanzure | s/filler/filter/ | 23:25 |
| newgenome | or just to attract some liberal arts students | 23:26 |
| newgenome | the computer simulation part sounds cool | 23:28 |
| kanzure | yeah, and it's basically something you could do right now | 23:28 |
| kanzure | just open up NEURON or GENESIS or better yet, O'Reilly's "emergence" | 23:28 |
| kanzure | and start playing around with some data sets or something | 23:28 |
| kanzure | I say better yet because he has deb and rpm files on the wiki | 23:28 |
| kanzure | with pretty screenshots | 23:28 |
| newgenome | links to pretty screen shots? | 23:29 |
| kanzure | hold on | 23:29 |
| newgenome | btw anyone heard from percent? | 23:30 |
| fenn | not for 2-3 days | 23:30 |
| kanzure | he doesn't want me giving out his AIM nickname | 23:31 |
| kanzure | but if you need me to yell at him, just ask | 23:31 |
| kanzure | and he's not on anyway | 23:31 |
| newgenome | wondering some things about nanotubes | 23:33 |
| newgenome | like is it possible to make tiny trusses made from nanotubes? | 23:34 |
| fenn | what do you mean by 'possible' exactly? | 23:34 |
| newgenome | as in take some nanotubes, and join them together into some sort of 3d structure without require implausible molecular assemble technology | 23:37 |
| newgenome | to make a material much stronger than steel | 23:37 |
| kanzure | biotinylate the ends of them and you might be able to do something, but where are you getting your precision from? | 23:37 |
| kanzure | erm, the manipulation | 23:37 |
| newgenome | that's the point | 23:37 |
| kanzure | just use macroscale clumps of them | 23:38 |
| kanzure | i.e., | 23:38 |
| kanzure | if you poured nanotubes into a pot of cement | 23:38 |
| kanzure | wouldn't this reinforce the cement ? | 23:38 |
| kanzure | would it? | 23:38 |
| * kanzure wonders. | 23:38 | |
| newgenome | yeah I was thinking that too | 23:38 |
| newgenome | may be just use centimeter long nanotubes | 23:38 |
| newgenome | put them in bundles and weld them together some how | 23:39 |
| fenn | there's a lot of development of side chains to grab the matrix (for space elevator cable) | 23:40 |
| newgenome | what do you mean | 23:40 |
| fenn | if it's just the nanotubes, they'll pull apart as if they weren't connected (because they aren't) | 23:40 |
| fenn | so you want some kind of cross linking, or at least sticky side chains | 23:40 |
| newgenome | I know, but nanotubes can be 'welded' using some sort of e-beam | 23:41 |
| fenn | i guess you are talking about something like this http://news.rpi.edu/update.do?artcenterkey=319 | 23:42 |
| fenn | The difficulty was finding nanotubes that cross and touch, which are critical for the initiation of intertube links. “Unfortunately, we can’t control this type of alignment just yet,” | 23:43 |
| newgenome | yeah | 23:43 |
| fenn | i dont get the whole browser tab thing, what's the point | 23:44 |
| kanzure | hm? | 23:45 |
| kanzure | well, that's why I wanted to put it on the task bar | 23:45 |
| newgenome | they also have to find a way to get nanotubes of the same length and chirality to make the type of structures I am talking about | 23:45 |
| kanzure | or do you mean google's comic portrayal of | 23:45 |
| kanzure | oh wait | 23:45 |
| kanzure | you mean tabs on the tubes :) | 23:45 |
| fenn | i'm still reading the google chrome comic | 23:46 |
| fenn | this just strikes dread into my heart: http://blogoscoped.com.nyud.net/google-chrome/18 | 23:46 |
| kanzure | it's not loading well for me | 23:47 |
| kanzure | ah | 23:47 |
| kanzure | OH | 23:49 |
| kanzure | http://www.google.com/googlebooks/chrome/ | 23:49 |
| kanzure | (caps) | 23:49 |
| kanzure | 'We will be launching the beta version of Google Chrome tomorrow in more than 100 countries.' | 23:49 |
| kanzure | 'All of us at Google spend much of our time working inside a browser. We search, chat, email and collaborate in a browser. ' wtf | 23:50 |
| kanzure | *that* scares me | 23:50 |
| kanzure | http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/fresh-take-on-browser.html | 23:50 |
| newgenome | why? | 23:50 |
| kanzure | programmers running a multibillion dollar company | 23:55 |
| kanzure | using chat programs | 23:55 |
| kanzure | in a browser | 23:55 |
| newgenome | that is scary because? | 23:55 |
| newgenome | they could listen to you? | 23:56 |
| fenn | because it's moronic, and they should know better | 23:56 |
| kanzure | safety isn't the issue | 23:56 |
| fenn | rather than encouraging stupid behavior | 23:56 |
| fenn | it's scary because google is supposed to be the best of the best | 23:58 |
| newgenome | yeah that is very moronic | 23:58 |
| newgenome | they should make something new | 23:59 |
| newgenome | like neural interfaces | 23:59 |
| fenn | like.. a better browser! wah | 23:59 |
| newgenome | that are free | 23:59 |
| kanzure | newgenome: http://heybryan.org/projects/browsehack/tabtabtab.html is my browser improvement project | 23:59 |
| newgenome | but of course send ads directly into your brain | 23:59 |
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