| --- Day changed Wed Sep 24 2008 | ||
| kanzure | wiki is terrible | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| kanzure | it's in a fucking browser :) | 00:00 |
| procto | right, exactly | 00:00 |
| procto | the point is that a highschool students can put up a proof from their textbook | 00:00 |
| procto | and all it takes is a thin client | 00:00 |
| procto | the thinnest client | 00:00 |
| fenn | dillo! | 00:00 |
| ybit | procto: i thought it was interesting, but i was drifting to sleep and decided to look at it later | 00:00 |
| ybit | vdash, that is | 00:01 |
| kanzure | browsers are far from thin. | 00:01 |
| kanzure | dillo, meh, perhaps :) | 00:01 |
| kanzure | what's wrong with flat files and repositories? | 00:02 |
| procto | the point is that people shouldn't have to bother with the verification process, storing things | 00:02 |
| kanzure | does everyone think that just because their repo is in a mysqldb that it's magically better? | 00:02 |
| procto | instead, some people just want to see a proof | 00:02 |
| procto | some want to put up a proof | 00:02 |
| procto | some want to improve the elegance of proofs | 00:02 |
| kanzure | you're not designing a user experience, you're building mathematics .. | 00:03 |
| procto | with a big package locally, you have the ability to do all at once | 00:03 |
| procto | of course a user experience is being designed | 00:03 |
| procto | everything is user experience | 00:03 |
| kanzure | uh, layer abstraction? | 00:03 |
| procto | if a human interacts with it | 00:03 |
| kanzure | sigh | 00:03 |
| procto | as with electrical motors, "computers" will dissappear into the background of our lives very soon | 00:04 |
| procto | in such cases it is often (though certainly not always) to keep many things remotely | 00:04 |
| procto | maybe html files are "bulky" but you don't have to deal with that bulk. you're only dealing with 1 such file at a time. | 00:05 |
| procto | you want to expose the simplest possible interface on top | 00:05 |
| procto | and let the simplicity percolate down | 00:05 |
| kanzure | excuse me, but yes I do have to deal with that bulk | 00:05 |
| kanzure | frontends are not backends | 00:05 |
| fenn | why is html bulky? it's just text, gzip gets rid of the tag bloat | 00:06 |
| kanzure | why not just give me the specific information in a file for what you're serving me | 00:07 |
| kanzure | i.e., look at the slides, you'll see the vdash theorem syntax apparently | 00:07 |
| procto | ok... then you can | 00:07 |
| kanzure | and for some reason intimiately tied into a wiki | 00:07 |
| procto | the wiki is an "active" interface | 00:07 |
| procto | oh no, it's not intimately tied | 00:07 |
| kanzure | so now you're changing on me? :( | 00:07 |
| procto | certainly not | 00:07 |
| procto | you are now talking web services | 00:08 |
| procto | and it sounds like you want REST | 00:08 |
| procto | you can request state of file, and then update it with a new state | 00:08 |
| kanzure | I'm not talking web services. | 00:08 |
| kanzure | am I? | 00:08 |
| procto | ok, "web services" is a very encumbered term | 00:08 |
| procto | what I meant is merely a remotely exposed interface | 00:09 |
| procto | a wiki is a particular way to interact with data | 00:09 |
| procto | how about I coin a new "aphorism" | 00:10 |
| procto | "The wiki is not the data" | 00:10 |
| procto | So to rewind our conversation | 00:11 |
| procto | <me> I think that a wiki is a very appropriate way to interact with this data based on the model of user participation that is likely and desireable | 00:12 |
| kanzure | there was really only 'yay' at first | 00:12 |
| kanzure | http://function2.device.mst.edu:8080/view/XML.jsp <-- Java apache server. Fails to load when you select all data .. blah. | 00:16 |
| kanzure | oh wait, got it | 00:16 |
| kanzure | 10095. | 00:36 |
| kanzure | http://function.device.mst.edu/repositoryEntry/repository.termsXML | 00:42 |
| kanzure | Not a good idea. | 00:42 |
| kanzure | http://function.device.mst.edu/delabsite/people.html why don't I get to be an 'undergrad student extraordinaire' ? :p | 00:54 |
| kanzure | heh, | 01:37 |
| kanzure | 'fringe' is interesting | 01:37 |
| kanzure | Dr. Bishop hid himself a magnetic cranial stimulator in his wall in '73 | 01:37 |
| kanzure | Hm. | 02:11 |
| kanzure | February. Demolition of the water cleaning facility here in Austin. | 02:12 |
| kanzure | That's worth a driveby. | 02:12 |
| kanzure | "Email Ballot Procedures.doc" | 02:23 |
| kanzure | wtf wtf | 02:23 |
| kanzure | God these people are stupid. | 02:24 |
| kanzure | "Last year, many soldiers over seas didn't get their ballots in time, so this time we're sending it to them by email. They must give a signature and it must be sent from a dot mil email address" | 02:25 |
| kanzure | everybody know how to fake MIME types, right? | 02:25 |
| kanzure | can anybody explain to me why these people are allowed to breath? | 02:25 |
| kanzure | http://instantrimshot.com/ | 02:53 |
| kanzure | follow-up: http://sadtrombone.com/ | 02:53 |
| kanzure | You know what, I think I'm starting to see Eric's point about the lack of community support built bottom up into the Maker communities. | 02:58 |
| kanzure | I'm increasingly seeing people who "have their most brilliant idea", and all they need is for you to answer that one last final technical question, which of course isn't really the case. | 02:58 |
| kanzure | But the approach that these folks are using .. might work a few times, maybe once or twice, but it's twisted. | 02:58 |
| kanzure | blah. | 02:58 |
| kanzure | convivial is an example of this. | 02:59 |
| fenn | what is "convivial"? | 03:04 |
| kanzure | #biology troll | 03:05 |
| kanzure | he comes in talking about how he's going to cure cancer with nanotech | 03:05 |
| kanzure | and of course, I'm all ears and willing to help, knowing me | 03:05 |
| kanzure | but he doesn't seem to have any conceptual understanding of just about anything | 03:06 |
| kanzure | so it's .. interesting.. | 03:06 |
| fenn | the only "Maker community" i know of is based on a subscription magazine | 03:06 |
| kanzure | apparently there's the blog reading community too | 03:07 |
| kanzure | and apparently these people tinker with 'stuff' and are quite presumptuous about what they have on hands | 03:07 |
| kanzure | erm | 03:07 |
| kanzure | anyway. | 03:07 |
| * fenn mumbles something about peoplescapitalism.org | 03:09 | |
| kanzure | first page seems to have a few confusions of names of political movements | 03:11 |
| kanzure | hm, what's with the bad art? it's like a poor man's version of adciv.org | 03:12 |
| kanzure | " | 03:14 |
| kanzure | A second, even more important feature, of cost reductions in manufacturing is that they are regenerative. For example, if the cost of a machine tool is reduced, then the cost of another machine tool produced by the less expensive tool will be less expensive still." | 03:14 |
| kanzure | reverse dependency argument | 03:14 |
| fenn | what i find interesting is that this book was written by the inventor of the cable hexapod | 03:16 |
| kanzure | "The revolutionary feature of this process is that it feeds on itself. Less expensive machinery makes the production of new machinery less expensive. When automatic factories begin to manufacture automatic factories, cost reductions will propagate exponentially from generation to generation." | 03:16 |
| kanzure | "The introduction of computers into the manufacturing process thus has the potential for increasing productivity on a scale never before conceivable. Eventually the cost of finished manufactured goods may fall to only slightly above the cost of unprocessed raw materials. U this ever occurs, the expense of production will become virtually independent of the complexity of the manufacturing processes." | 03:16 |
| kanzure | 'Japan, for example, has already committed more than one-quarter billion dollars to research and development in computer-aided manufacturing and robot technology.33 Current Japanese plans call for the construction of a prototype automatic factory for the manufacture of machine tools to be completed by 1980. This plant is of a size that would ordinarily employ 700 to 800 workers, but will require only 10 persons to operate.34' | 03:18 |
| kanzure | huh, has refs | 03:18 |
| fenn | the fabled fanuc "robot room" | 03:18 |
| kanzure | hah, the counter is n = 000093. | 03:20 |
| fenn | it was 62 when i looked at it | 03:20 |
| fenn | that is one wacky counter | 03:21 |
| kanzure | http://web.archive.org/web/20040714175954/http://www.jamesalbus.org/ | 03:22 |
| fenn | i wonder why 16GB IDE SSD is $70 but same thing in SATA is $400 | 03:22 |
| kanzure | james.albus@nist.gov | 03:25 |
| kanzure | hrm | 03:25 |
| fenn | intelligent systems division/manufacturing engineering lab are who originally wrote EMC | 03:27 |
| kanzure | wtf we have the christian conversion channel feeding into the dorm | 03:28 |
| fenn | i'm not sure how much code he wrote, but a lot of it is based on papers he wrote | 03:28 |
| kanzure | guess I should send out an email linking him over to his sympathizers | 03:29 |
| fenn | adciv.org? | 03:29 |
| kanzure | us? | 03:29 |
| kanzure | oscomak? | 03:29 |
| fenn | oh heh | 03:29 |
| kanzure | p2pfoundation.net also has some links to stuff | 03:29 |
| kanzure | also, marshall had something yes? | 03:29 |
| kanzure | hrm, I don't remember everybody | 03:29 |
| kanzure | oh, freedomofscience too. | 03:30 |
| percent | fuckin scientists | 03:30 |
| fenn | yeah, but it seemed more philosophical even though i know marshall is very technically knowledgeable | 03:30 |
| percent | always hangin out on that INTERNET of yours | 03:30 |
| fenn | ARPANET | 03:30 |
| percent | DONT YOU CURSE AT ME | 03:30 |
| fenn | i mean, uh, FENNET | 03:30 |
| percent | I HANG OUT ON INTELLIPEDIA | 03:30 |
| percent | BECAUSE I AM A FED | 03:30 |
| percent | Heh, you have to be crazy, though, to fuck with .mil... | 03:31 |
| fenn | crazy enough to fuck with a federal election | 03:31 |
| percent | I wonder who the craziest person in this channel is. | 03:32 |
| kanzure | why would you possibly do voting by email though | 03:32 |
| percent | And whether the answer is the same as it always is, in every channel I go to. | 03:32 |
| fenn | i think we're all pretty normal | 03:32 |
| percent | I'm very normal, yes. | 03:33 |
| fenn | kanzure: did you read the thing about open source vote-by-cellphone | 03:34 |
| percent | I'm all for "vote by gunfire" | 03:35 |
| percent | you have a rifle and you shoot at your ballot 50 yards away | 03:35 |
| percent | 50 holes in each box to register a vote | 03:35 |
| fenn | i was thinking "shouldnt it be the other way around?" | 03:36 |
| fenn | shoot at the guy you dont want to be elected | 03:36 |
| percent | but then he dies | 03:36 |
| fenn | not if he has enough people around him | 03:36 |
| kanzure | vote by cellphone too now? | 03:41 |
| fenn | so, i can get a 64GB SSD for the low low price of $5000 | 03:45 |
| kanzure | also: how do you go about protecting from spam in a FOAF situation? | 03:45 |
| fenn | use FOAF to make a trust network | 03:45 |
| percent | how about you go install Hardened Gentoo | 03:46 |
| fenn | what's all this hardened crap | 03:46 |
| kanzure | you left it out to dry | 03:46 |
| kanzure | isn't there a debian hardy? | 03:46 |
| kanzure | or is that gentoo? | 03:47 |
| fenn | that's ubuntu.. it's supposed to be a reliable long term release | 03:47 |
| fenn | poxy selinux | 03:47 |
| -!- kanzure_ is now known as superautomation | 03:58 | |
| fenn | bets on how long it will take for the word superautomation to get coopted | 03:58 |
| kanzure | by who? /me doesn't understand | 03:59 |
| fenn | oh i dunno, ford or microsoft | 04:00 |
| fenn | siemens fanuc allen-bradley | 04:01 |
| kanzure | big business summit in 2009 by ford, microsoft, toyota, other big names, supposedly about infrastructure cruft | 04:01 |
| fenn | pff | 04:01 |
| fenn | they need a good carpet bombing, that's what | 04:01 |
| kanzure | http://enews.thomasnet.com/ct.jsp?uz3763235Biz7343948 | 04:01 |
| ybit | "Substitute salmon sperm for tomato. Chinese salmon." ..eh? | 04:02 |
| kanzure | http://www.mlive.com/kzgazette/news/index.ssf/2008/09/ford_motor_co_and_dow_chemical.html | 04:03 |
| kanzure | 'A national convention in the works for next year on the future of manufacturing, technology, energy and the environment could help fuel a broad plan to overcome industrial and economic upheavals affecting the entire country, the leaders of two global companies said Monday.' | 04:03 |
| ybit | was that a correction, he meant to say chinese salmon sperm? | 04:03 |
| ybit | not sure why it has to be chinese | 04:03 |
| ybit | this is in the diybio mailing list | 04:04 |
| fenn | are there salmon in china? | 04:04 |
| ybit | "stocking up on nucleotides" | 04:04 |
| ybit | kanzure, do you know? you replied | 04:04 |
| kanzure | salmon? What? | 04:05 |
| kanzure | I replied to the nucleotides stuff. | 04:05 |
| kanzure | not to any fish | 04:05 |
| fenn | Salmon sperm is considered a waste product of the fishing industry. It's thrown away by the ton | 04:06 |
| fenn | i'm thinking of a belt of AA batt's, like an ammo belt you put around your waist | 04:10 |
| kanzure | for what? | 04:11 |
| fenn | for my wearable computer | 04:11 |
| kanzure | the biggest issues is the mountable display and keyboard or equally useful interface | 04:11 |
| fenn | yes, i'm working on the keyboard right now | 04:11 |
| kanzure | conceptually? | 04:12 |
| fenn | no i'm trying to figure out how to solder to these pesky flexible circuits | 04:12 |
| fenn | http://fennetic.net/pub/camera/DCP_0826.JPG | 04:12 |
| fenn | http://fennetic.net/pub/camera/DCP_0824.JPG | 04:13 |
| kanzure | oh, your split kb arrived? | 04:14 |
| fenn | might just scrap the flex stuff and make my own PCB and read the switches with an AVR | 04:14 |
| fenn | yeah it got here today.. twelve days later | 04:14 |
| kanzure | can you type effectively on it? | 04:15 |
| fenn | i think it needs some grease or something | 04:15 |
| kanzure | but it fits the hands? | 04:15 |
| fenn | the split is confusing too, since i've never used an ergo keyboard before | 04:16 |
| fenn | i often cross over to type t, y, b, n, etc | 04:16 |
| kanzure | right | 04:16 |
| kanzure | that's typical. | 04:16 |
| fenn | hard to tell how fast i can really type though since i have no way of connecting it | 04:16 |
| kanzure | it's not usb? | 04:17 |
| fenn | no, it's IrDA with some whack protocol | 04:17 |
| fenn | my laptop with IrDA isn't feeling too happy | 04:18 |
| fenn | so my ideal setup would have battery belt, microoptical display, SSD under left kb, ts-7800 under right kb | 04:19 |
| kanzure | microoptical? ts7800? | 04:20 |
| kanzure | oh, ts 7800 is an embeddable | 04:20 |
| kanzure | hm | 04:20 |
| kanzure | do you remember the old 1990s style visors? | 04:20 |
| kanzure | would be good for mounting an old cell phone lcd. | 04:21 |
| fenn | aw crap i havent been logging | 04:22 |
| fenn | brb | 04:22 |
| fenn | LCD's are crap | 04:26 |
| kanzure | alternatives? | 04:26 |
| kanzure | Paul got back to me | 04:26 |
| kanzure | "Jame Albus. I think I met him once at NIST in the 1980s (he was friendly with a professor I knew and we went on a trip to see the manufacturing and automation lab), not sure exactly." | 04:27 |
| fenn | microoptical (discontinued apparently) http://www.eyesentials.com/main_images/microoptical-eyeglasses-500x324.jpg http://www.inition.co.uk/inition/images/product_hmd_microoptical_eg7.jpg | 04:27 |
| fenn | i dont know how it works or any specs | 04:27 |
| fenn | then there's various mems mirrors strategies | 04:27 |
| kanzure | uh | 04:27 |
| kanzure | that's a little bit much for the moment, what about just settling for some good head mounting gear | 04:28 |
| fenn | the oled displays i've seen had much higher resolution and brightness | 04:28 |
| fenn | i dont want full screen video, i want unobtrusive terminal | 04:28 |
| kanzure | that's fine. | 04:29 |
| kanzure | you remember the "private eye" link? | 04:29 |
| fenn | yes, that would be just fine | 04:29 |
| fenn | kinda ugly though :P | 04:29 |
| kanzure | http://dvice.com/archives/2007/07/dataglass_headmounted_video_di.php | 04:31 |
| kanzure | is that the same girl from the other image from a while back? | 04:32 |
| fenn | heh no | 04:32 |
| fenn | requirement is i must be able to go through grocery checkout line without getting any questions | 04:33 |
| kanzure | sorry, but I might have to go for the duck tape + sacrifice one half of a pair of glasses method | 04:36 |
| fenn | this is quite interesting, even just as a source of parts: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3747065&CatId=927 | 04:37 |
| fenn | and linux drivers for everything! | 04:37 |
| kanzure | http://www.shimadzu.co.jp/hmd/dg-a.html | 04:42 |
| fenn | hmm i was misled.. it doesnt have a solid state disk | 04:44 |
| fenn | very shadowrun, but it fails the grocery store test | 04:45 |
| fenn | oh christ they made a shadowrun video game.. nevermind | 04:46 |
| marainein | what exactly does it have to have in terms of peripherals? | 04:48 |
| fenn | does what have to have? | 04:48 |
| marainein | are we just talking about a head mounted display? | 04:49 |
| fenn | i like ts-7800 because it's extremely low power, has a PCI fpga onboard, and linux drivers for everything | 04:49 |
| fenn | no, the whole kit | 04:49 |
| marainein | what are we talking about exactly? | 04:51 |
| fenn | a wearable computer | 04:52 |
| marainein | that's what i thought | 04:53 |
| fenn | this started because kanzure was talking about mounting a big arm to his back to hold a keyboard in front of him | 04:53 |
| marainein | what does it need to do that a smartphone can't? | 04:53 |
| fenn | not suck | 04:53 |
| kanzure | fenn: bah, you and I have talked about wearables since the beginning | 04:53 |
| fenn | kanzure: yes but my current obsession started with that | 04:53 |
| marainein | can you define the nature of the suckage that concerns you? | 04:54 |
| kanzure | you really think a smartphone is a wearable? | 04:54 |
| fenn | marainein: cellphones are highly proprietary, unhackable, have crappy UI, and the UI sucks :P | 04:54 |
| marainein | openmoko? | 04:54 |
| kanzure | well | 04:54 |
| kanzure | think abotu it | 04:54 |
| fenn | glorified LCD screen | 04:55 |
| kanzure | first, it's not quite a wearable | 04:55 |
| kanzure | fine, add the head mounted mic and be done | 04:55 |
| kanzure | there's also a few other issues though | 04:55 |
| kanzure | like needing a real, actual keyboard | 04:55 |
| fenn | yes, i want a real keyboard | 04:55 |
| kanzure | and if you're going to all of this trouble | 04:55 |
| kanzure | it becomes easier to just do it from scratch | 04:55 |
| bkero | There are some keyboard alternatives out there. | 04:55 |
| fenn | i dont want a keyboard alternative dammit | 04:55 |
| kanzure | :) | 04:55 |
| bkero | Then do what I do and carry around a model M. | 04:55 |
| marainein | http://www.neopwn.com/ | 04:55 |
| * kanzure carries a Model M too | 04:55 | |
| fenn | i like the dell oem keyboards | 04:56 |
| kanzure | some of the dells are good | 04:56 |
| marainein | a large keyboard or input device is always going to be clumsy | 04:56 |
| bkero | I'm typing to you on one. It's shit. :/ | 04:56 |
| kanzure | some are shit | 04:56 |
| kanzure | marainein: you're lying | 04:56 |
| bkero | This is one of the ones who's bottom(part towards you) curves around a big space bar | 04:56 |
| kanzure | it's not clumsy if you can mount it correctly | 04:56 |
| bkero | Model RT7D50 | 04:56 |
| marainein | how? | 04:56 |
| kanzure | bkero: neopwn? Nobody needs penning .. | 04:56 |
| fenn | i have five of these.. they're lightweight and work beautifully.. kinda large though: http://www.pctipstricks.com/pictures/Dell-Vostro-400-Keyboard-and-Mouse.jpg | 04:57 |
| bkero | kanzure: saw it before | 04:57 |
| kanzure | bkero: You linked me to it above. | 04:57 |
| kanzure | oh | 04:57 |
| kanzure | marainein linked me to it :) | 04:57 |
| marainein | :P | 04:57 |
| bkero | My keyboard was made in 1984. It's BARELY PS/2. | 04:57 |
| bkero | It weighs close to 5lbs and has a spring for each key. | 04:57 |
| marainein | one of those clicky ibm keyboards? | 04:57 |
| bkero | Yes, that's exactly what it is. | 04:58 |
| kanzure | Best thing ever. | 04:58 |
| bkero | I can use(and have) used it as a blunt weapon. | 04:58 |
| bkero | It was my first keyboard. It came on a Compaq 486. | 04:58 |
| bkero | It's a symbol of all that is manly and good in this world. | 04:59 |
| kanzure | 12000 | 04:59 |
| marainein | ok, so what is the non-clumsy way to mount a keyboard? | 05:00 |
| kanzure | split it, mount on legs. | 05:01 |
| fenn | i'm attempting to make a proof of concept | 05:01 |
| fenn | since apparently there aren't any out there (at least not in my meager searching) | 05:02 |
| bkero | See cowboy bebop movie | 05:02 |
| fenn | (but weird stuff like this always costs too much anyway) | 05:02 |
| bkero | Split keyboards are around $50 | 05:02 |
| fenn | hmm i had that but deleted it on accident | 05:02 |
| kanzure | bkero: fenn has found himself a split kb | 05:02 |
| fenn | for $20 shipped :D | 05:02 |
| bkero | Nice | 05:03 |
| fenn | not all split kb's are split correctly though | 05:03 |
| fenn | i never understood what people liked about the clicky ibm keyboards | 05:04 |
| fenn | reminds me of middle school library | 05:04 |
| kanzure | it seems to be speed | 05:04 |
| kanzure | the difference between me on a bad keyboard and me on a model m is vast | 05:04 |
| marainein | feedback...the tube amplifier of computer peripherals... | 05:05 |
| kanzure | feedback is just what they keep parroting | 05:05 |
| bkero | It's tactile response. | 05:05 |
| kanzure | we can give you a keyboard that punches you in the face | 05:05 |
| kanzure | how's that for tactile response | 05:05 |
| kanzure | hehe | 05:05 |
| kanzure | "parse error! *punch*" | 05:05 |
| * bkero will remain polite. ;) | 05:05 | |
| kanzure | why? | 05:06 |
| kanzure | Anyway, I need to sleep. | 05:06 |
| bkero | The keys literally have a different feel to the keypresses than newer cell-membrane based keyboards. | 05:06 |
| kanzure | Sure. | 05:06 |
| bkero | They feel mushy. :/ | 05:06 |
| kanzure | re: http://repository.designengineeringlab.org/ can anybody fetch the XML output of all of the objects? The server seems to crash a few threads when I attempt this. I was trying to get this data so that I can see how I might add a layer of turtle soup to the whole thing. | 05:07 |
| fenn | how do you get XML? | 05:09 |
| kanzure | link at the top => design tools | 05:10 |
| kanzure | then select all items with the giant button | 05:10 |
| kanzure | you'll see checkboxes , the last one says XML next to it or something | 05:10 |
| fenn | ok | 05:10 |
| fenn | lots of javascrap | 05:11 |
| kanzure | bonus points for telling me why | 05:11 |
| kanzure | also bonus bonus points for why they are using a java backend | 05:11 |
| bkero | Because they hired some stupid kid fresh out of college who only knows java. | 05:11 |
| kanzure | How many kids fresh out know about Apache tomcat? | 05:12 |
| bkero | It's related to java | 05:14 |
| percent | Awesome, remember my crazy paranoid gentoo box? | 05:35 |
| percent | Now it has PaX and grsecurity on it. | 05:35 |
| percent | We are going from paranoid to eka-paranoid. | 05:36 |
| -!- Phreedom is now known as xxxxxxxxx | 06:41 | |
| -!- xxxxxxxxx is now known as p1tbull | 06:41 | |
| bkero | PaX and grsec are great security precautions. | 09:44 |
| bkero | RBAC is without equal | 09:44 |
| kanzure | http://goertzel.org/agiq.pdf | 12:37 |
| kanzure | goertzel sometimes has random flashes of insight, so that might be worth opening | 12:38 |
| kanzure | might not be .. still loading. | 12:38 |
| nsh | goertzel seems to 'get it' better than most | 12:41 |
| yb-s | oi | 15:18 |
| kanzure_ | chat tonight in #opencog with goertzel | 16:43 |
| kanzure_ | nsh: #opencog goertzel chat tonight | 16:46 |
| kanzure_ | since you just joined after I mentioned it | 16:46 |
| kanzure_ | design repo server still crashes upon export all | 16:46 |
| kanzure_ | I'm not entirely sure where they are trying to hide the data. | 16:46 |
| nsh | ty | 16:46 |
| kanzure_ | nsh: were you the one who did the shootings last night? | 16:47 |
| nsh | hoard is the default setting for stupid | 16:47 |
| nsh | nah | 16:47 |
| nsh | the wounded (inc. suspect) came to our hospital though | 16:47 |
| nsh | police escort to the ambulence convoy | 16:47 |
| nsh | to keep reporters out | 16:47 |
| kanzure_ | 'our' as in, city, university, .. ? | 16:48 |
| kanzure_ | sometimes they have these university hospitals, you see | 16:48 |
| kanzure_ | and you might be working in a biology lab right next to one, I'd guess | 16:49 |
| nsh | as in, where i work | 16:53 |
| nsh | yeah | 16:53 |
| kanzure_ | neat. | 16:54 |
| nsh | hmm | 16:55 |
| * nsh listening to UCB lectures | 16:55 | |
| nsh | http://www.learnoutloud.com/Podcast-Directory/Science/Biology/General-Biochemistry-and-Molecular-Biology-Podcast/19711 | 16:55 |
| nsh | apparantly their textbook is available online too | 16:56 |
| nsh | which is good | 16:56 |
| nsh | (the textbook of the course, probably not published by berkley) | 16:56 |
| nsh | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/bv.fcgi?rid=mboc4.TOC&depth=2 apparantly | 16:57 |
| kanzure_ | ah, right, I remember a few of the books hosted on ncbi | 16:59 |
| kanzure_ | "?Landolt-B?rnstein (La-Bo), which is claimed to be the largest compilation of data in physics and chemistry, will celebrate its 125th anniversary on September 29, 2008. On this occasion, Rainer Poerschke, who has been in charge of La-Bo since 1990, will hand over his post toKarin Sora. Published by STM publisher Springer, La-Bo is seen to have played a decisive role in defining the publishing company's scientific path" | 17:00 |
| kanzure_ | "Analogous to if a tree falls in a forest, does it make a sound is the closely related 'if information is so costly that virtually no one can access it, is it still information?" | 17:01 |
| nsh | heh | 17:02 |
| nsh | source/ | 17:02 |
| nsh | ? | 17:02 |
| kanzure_ | CHMINF-L mailing list | 17:05 |
| kanzure_ | lots of chemistry librarians sitting around asking each other for obscure papers and databases etc. | 17:05 |
| nsh | right | 17:06 |
| kanzure_ | blah, these guys don't answer their phones | 17:12 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.seedmagazine.com/news/2008/09/mechanical_generation.php | 17:13 |
| kanzure_ | yay more reprap lies | 17:13 |
| nsh | hmm | 17:14 |
| kanzure_ | wtf, since when did ##sl4 move to freenode? | 17:15 |
| kanzure_ | that's rather annoying. | 17:18 |
| nsh | how? | 17:19 |
| kanzure_ | anywho, to keep track of: #opencog, ##sl4, #ai, #psychology, #diybio, #namcub, #open-rtms, and a few others that I'm temporarily forgetting | 17:19 |
| kanzure_ | well, you think you know a channel | 17:19 |
| kanzure_ | and you sit on it for a year | 17:19 |
| kanzure_ | and then it moves on you without telling you | 17:19 |
| kanzure_ | Eliezer and friends used to duke it out on lucifer's servers | 17:19 |
| nsh | mm | 17:20 |
| nsh | i wonder.. | 17:22 |
| nsh | self-replicating machines in fluid | 17:23 |
| nsh | fluidic replicators | 17:23 |
| nsh | would be interesting | 17:23 |
| kanzure_ | everybody has their random idea to share. | 17:23 |
| kanzure_ | erm, sorr | 17:23 |
| * nsh smiles | 17:23 | |
| kanzure_ | sorry | 17:23 |
| kanzure_ | just getting grumpy about the situation of random proposals from multiple ends | 17:24 |
| kanzure_ | and it's not at all coherent the way that people spontaneously propose a new product, machine, setup, or experiment | 17:24 |
| kanzure_ | anyway, | 17:24 |
| kanzure_ | fluidic *bubble* replicators with lipids have been studied a bit | 17:24 |
| kanzure_ | emulsions thrown into the mix of elements in those experiments, I might add. | 17:25 |
| nsh | hmm | 17:25 |
| kanzure_ | self-assembling monolayers grafted on to emulsions or bubbles in liquid | 17:25 |
| kanzure_ | I really forget the reference on this .. it wasn't quite as, ah, modular as it may sound. | 17:26 |
| kanzure_ | anyway, I need to split some atoms and leave | 17:26 |
| nsh | i was thinking a bit more abstract: creating a fluid-dynamic regieme which, when given a source of driving energy, would be able to perpetuate it | 17:26 |
| nsh | *itself | 17:26 |
| nsh | and create the conditions external to itself for another instance of itself to organise | 17:27 |
| * nsh gotta shoot too | 17:28 | |
| superautomation | Hm. Laptop is frozen. | 20:23 |
| superautomation | Hm. | 20:31 |
| superautomation | fenn: turns out both Joseph and Paul have already met Albus | 20:31 |
| fenn | http://www.jetbeetle.com/ | 21:24 |
| ybit | kind of OT, but what do you all think about presidential elections? on this matter, http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/4312 is an interesting article | 23:20 |
| kanzure | fenn: neat find. | 23:27 |
| fenn | he certainly has enough toys to make it work | 23:27 |
| kanzure | Based in Taiwain :-) | 23:29 |
| kanzure | so that immortality channel on ustream.tv | 23:31 |
| kanzure | those guys are jerks. | 23:31 |
| kanzure | "let's fold proteins! yay advancement of science!" | 23:31 |
| kanzure | "if you're not folding, you're a douche" | 23:31 |
| * ybit agrees with kanzure | 23:32 | |
| ybit | i hate how they push that | 23:32 |
| kanzure | do they even understand how to use the protein folding information for their goals? | 23:32 |
| kanzure | my guess is not | 23:32 |
| * ybit usually tunes out for a few mins during that time | 23:32 | |
| kanzure | (I asked.) | 23:32 |
| ybit | heh | 23:33 |
| ybit | response? | 23:33 |
| kanzure | "if you're not with us, you're against us" | 23:33 |
| ybit | eek | 23:34 |
| ybit | oi biopunk | 23:34 |
| kanzure | the sw comic torrent finished earlier today :) | 23:34 |
| kanzure | 478 unread emails. oh noes. | 23:34 |
| kanzure | up to 17621. | 23:35 |
| kanzure | I suspect most of the time being spent now is randomly switching to an unused IP | 23:36 |
| kanzure | as would be expected for the majority of the latter portions of the dataset download | 23:36 |
| fenn | if you ran two tor servers would you get twice as many ip's? | 23:43 |
| kanzure | on the same box? | 23:46 |
| kanzure | 'The IEEE Computer Society is hosting a talk by Ryan W. Smith of MIT Lincoln Labs on Thursday, September 25th. Ryan, a UT alumnus, will be talking about Lincoln Labs and his current projects including ShellShock, a framework for luring malware into virtual honeypots using emulated response. He will also be collecting resumes for open positions. ' | 23:46 |
| kanzure | hrm, Lincoln Labs sounds unfamiliar | 23:46 |
| fenn | lincoln was the old computer center back when they were room-sized | 23:50 |
| kanzure | http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/?p=329 | 23:50 |
| kanzure | uh, how do I check for what's stealing my audio device at the moment? | 23:52 |
| kanzure | lsmod? | 23:52 |
| kanzure | modprobe. | 23:52 |
| fenn | fuser /dev/dsp | 23:52 |
| kanzure | nothing | 23:52 |
| fenn | hm. well it never works anyway :P | 23:52 |
| kanzure | then why .. um. | 23:52 |
| kanzure | it was quite literally playing music a moment ago | 23:54 |
| kanzure | but then it switched songs and the audio device was stolen by something | 23:54 |
| kanzure | I'm not running anything out of the ordinary | 23:54 |
| kanzure | except evince. | 23:54 |
| kanzure | oh, random note. apparently there's a grant I can apply for within the next, uh, day or so, that might pay me to go up to the singularity summit or convergence08 conferences. I'm not sure I want to go, I'm sure I'd just be annoyed. | 23:56 |
| fenn | what grant is that? | 23:57 |
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