| --- Day changed Wed Oct 01 2008 | ||
| ybit | 59394 == "IMPROVEMENT IN REGULATORS FOR WATCHES" ?? heh, srsly though, what patent was that? | 00:23 |
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| kanzure_ | wait, what? | 00:24 |
| kanzure_ | I think I'm up to 60k now, not 59394 :) | 00:24 |
| ybit | "[08:09] <kanzure_> 59394" | 00:25 |
| ybit | might have misunderstood what you meant | 00:25 |
| kanzure_ | No, I've been being a parrot for the matweb steal | 00:31 |
| kanzure_ | 60778 at the moment. | 00:31 |
| kanzure_ | god it's slow. | 00:31 |
| ybit | tor, right | 00:35 |
| kanzure | http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/30/2122205 guess who made slashdot? | 00:35 |
| kanzure | freer :) | 00:35 |
| kanzure | where's freer anyway? | 00:36 |
| ybit | and willpow3r | 00:37 |
| ybit | have a few questions for him concerning his u110 | 00:38 |
| * ybit is getting another lappy soon | 00:38 | |
| kanzure_ | wmii is really fun, I have to admit. | 00:41 |
| kanzure | hm .. joseph's showing up in other spheres. http://jetpress.org/v19/jackson.htm | 00:50 |
| ybit | http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/arquake/ http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/arquake/videos/index.html | 01:48 |
| ybit | i think arquake was given attention on some tech news outlet once | 01:48 |
| kanzure | BSTS = bank of the superior temporal sulcus, CAC = caudal anterior cingulate cortex, CMF = caudal middle frontal cortex, CUN = cuneus, ENT = entorhinal cortex, FP = frontal pole, FUS = fusiform gyrus, IP = inferior parietal cortex, IT = inferior temporal cortex, ISTC = isthmus of the cingulate cortex, LOCC = lateral occipital cortex, LOF = lateral orbitofrontal cortex, LING = lingual gyrus, MOF = medial orbitofrontal cortex, MT = middle temporal corte | 02:18 |
| kanzure | http://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/ "FreeSurfer is a set of automated tools for reconstruction of the brain's cortical surface from structural MRI data, and overlay of functional MRI data onto the reconstructed surface." | 02:30 |
| kanzure | erm | 02:31 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/brainregions.html | 02:31 |
| ybit | http://www.media.mit.edu/Wearables/mithril/ | 02:34 |
| ybit | "MIThril, the next generation research platform for context aware wearable computing. " | 02:34 |
| kanzure_ | context aware my ass. | 02:36 |
| percent_ | hey | 02:40 |
| percent_ | guys | 02:40 |
| percent_ | if any of us ever become really close friends and then you decide you hate me and never want to speak with me again and then don't | 02:40 |
| percent_ | for four years | 02:41 |
| percent_ | don't thereafter contact me and ask for help wit da haxin da yahoo account plz | 02:41 |
| percent_ | God, I hate that. | 02:41 |
| bkero | I'm a haxin. | 03:01 |
| * ybit wants a price for all the materials listed: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=ps980ejSIf-3DeoBkURvDZQ | 03:24 | |
| ybit | that's Bill of Materials file for http://wiki.opengraphics.org./tiki-index.php | 03:25 |
| kanzure_ | what's on the page? | 03:25 |
| kanzure_ | ohg | 03:25 |
| kanzure_ | *oh | 03:25 |
| kanzure_ | hm, the server is lagging with keb input | 03:25 |
| kanzure_ | *kb | 03:25 |
| bkero | ybit: watcha makin'? | 03:27 |
| ybit | a graphics card perhaps :P | 03:28 |
| bkero | With 256mb ram? | 03:28 |
| bkero | ybit: Did you design this yourself, or get plans for it somewhere? | 03:29 |
| ybit | that's from opengraphics.org | 03:30 |
| ybit | linked below the sheet | 03:30 |
| bkero | I want it to do xvmc | 03:30 |
| gene | simple self-replicating automaton: sand | 03:46 |
| gene | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barchan | 03:46 |
| -!- percent_ is now known as aa_aa | 03:57 | |
| -!- aa_aa is now known as perchlorent | 03:59 | |
| -!- perchlorent is now known as jihad | 04:01 | |
| gene | perchlorent lol | 04:04 |
| gene | yeah | 04:04 |
| gene | NSA | 04:04 |
| gene | probably put you on a watch list for that name | 04:04 |
| -!- jihad is now known as k0mrade | 04:05 | |
| gene | do you actually own said compound? | 04:05 |
| -!- k0mrade is now known as floater | 04:06 | |
| fenn | there's no information transferred from dune to dune | 04:21 |
| gene | there is, but very little | 04:30 |
| gene | it's replication, but it's not really useful for anything | 04:30 |
| fenn | not any more of a replicator than a flame or a bubble | 04:30 |
| gene | how can bubbles replicate? | 04:31 |
| fenn | split them in half :) | 04:31 |
| gene | they don't grow though | 04:31 |
| fenn | so what | 04:31 |
| gene | barchans grow | 04:31 |
| fenn | bubbles grow if you add air | 04:31 |
| fenn | or if the gas is evolving from the liquid | 04:31 |
| kanzure_ | so do barchans, if you add wind | 04:32 |
| kanzure_ | hm | 04:32 |
| kanzure_ | :p | 04:32 |
| gene | energy input | 04:32 |
| gene | you have to have an energy input | 04:32 |
| kanzure_ | fenn: this isn't working | 04:32 |
| fenn | what isn't working? | 04:32 |
| kanzure_ | you're giving him a counter example | 04:32 |
| fenn | logic and reason? | 04:32 |
| kanzure_ | so it seems. | 04:32 |
| fenn | maybe i should just fling poo instead | 04:32 |
| gene | as I said barchans aren't useful for the type of replication we want to do | 04:33 |
| kanzure_ | type of? | 04:33 |
| kanzure_ | what are the differences in the types? | 04:33 |
| gene | we want have a replicating system that is complex enough to do something neat after it has replicated a number of times | 04:34 |
| fenn | i dont think there are any types | 04:34 |
| -!- floater is now known as persent | 04:35 | |
| gene | close enough | 04:35 |
| gene | there also isn't any wind/gravity/large plane of sand in space(excluding planets and solar wind) | 04:36 |
| gene | so you can't use them to contact aliens | 04:37 |
| -!- persent is now known as jihaaad | 04:37 | |
| gene | jihaaad are you a chemist? | 04:37 |
| fenn | there are nebulae and various plasmas that could contain such formations | 04:38 |
| jihaaad | I'm a nanoscientist, we do everything, don't we? | 04:38 |
| gene | heh | 04:38 |
| jihaaad | I do a little chemistry, some physics, you know how it is. | 04:38 |
| fenn | i'd say that covers just about everything | 04:38 |
| gene | do you know how to make one of these: http://www.islandone.org/MMSG/aasm/AASM53.html#f516 | 04:39 |
| fenn | lunar manufacturing facility - why that's simply child's play | 04:39 |
| gene | not really | 04:40 |
| gene | it's harder than it looks | 04:40 |
| fenn | i set one up in the kid's sandbox for fun | 04:40 |
| gene | heh | 04:40 |
| fenn | was hard to find the HF acid though | 04:40 |
| gene | what! | 04:40 |
| gene | you had trouble finding HF? | 04:40 |
| gene | you can make HF quite easily using those canned air things | 04:40 |
| fenn | aroo | 04:41 |
| gene | heat up the gas going out of em, and condense the HF out | 04:41 |
| fenn | well alrighty then | 04:41 |
| gene | good luck keeping it from eating your lungs though | 04:41 |
| jihaaad | uh | 04:42 |
| jihaaad | you had best stay the hell away from HF | 04:42 |
| jihaaad | I don't need to tell you why, either | 04:42 |
| gene | yeah | 04:42 |
| jihaaad | I'll make you a deal, so you don't kill yourself, eh? | 04:42 |
| * fenn notes spun basalt on the list of manufactured products | 04:42 | |
| jihaaad | You want an oxide layer stripped from something, mail it to me. | 04:42 |
| jihaaad | I'll do it. | 04:42 |
| gene | My highschool chemistry teacher used to tell us about his CRAZY fluorine chemist colleague | 04:43 |
| fenn | i really ought to read ksrm one of these days | 04:43 |
| jihaaad | gene: ? | 04:43 |
| gene | you should | 04:43 |
| fenn | well, months | 04:43 |
| jihaaad | I once walked into what I thought was a poor of hf | 04:43 |
| jihaaad | *pool | 04:43 |
| jihaaad | on the floor | 04:43 |
| jihaaad | i'm pretty fucking stupid | 04:43 |
| fenn | why was there a pool of HF on the floor? | 04:43 |
| gene | so your shoe didn't catch fire? | 04:43 |
| jihaaad | it wasn't hf | 04:44 |
| jihaaad | but it was a leak from the acid cabinet | 04:44 |
| gene | dang | 04:44 |
| jihaaad | For the record, if you have hf exposure, one of the first signs is a very sour taste in your mouth. | 04:44 |
| fenn | sounds like a bad idea either way | 04:44 |
| fenn | that's the first sign of any kind of acid exposure? | 04:44 |
| jihaaad | Your arms will start to prickle a bit, too. | 04:44 |
| jihaaad | hf specifically | 04:44 |
| gene | and soapy hands are a sign you've picked up a strong base | 04:44 |
| jihaaad | the two to watch the hell out for in any electronics fab facility are HF (sour taste/smell) and soot (nickel carbonyl). | 04:45 |
| gene | and the base is making soap from your body fats | 04:45 |
| fenn | what is nickel carbonyl used for? | 04:45 |
| jihaaad | Oooh, I'm adding that to the list of incredibly unpleasant ways to die in the lab | 04:45 |
| gene | yeah heard Nickel Carbonyl | 04:45 |
| gene | 'is a bad one | 04:45 |
| jihaaad | fenn: It can be used instead of Ga+ ions in a focused ion beam | 04:45 |
| gene | fucks up your hemoglobin | 04:45 |
| jihaaad | Which, may I add, I have access to. | 04:45 |
| jihaaad | Along with a scanning electron microscope. | 04:46 |
| jihaaad | Which DOES make me better than you. | 04:46 |
| fenn | ah, sorta like carbon monoxide | 04:46 |
| * jihaaad turns up nose. | 04:46 | |
| gene | oh yeah, watch out for almond smells too | 04:46 |
| gene | that's cyanide | 04:46 |
| gene | We learned that the hard way in chemistry | 04:47 |
| gene | So, Jihaaad what's the easiest way to make microchips? | 04:47 |
| kanzure_ | 1) Download all relevant patents and literatures. | 04:48 |
| jihaaad | heh | 04:48 |
| kanzure_ | 2) List all relevant machines known to mankind that have ever been used to make microchips. | 04:48 |
| jihaaad | I'm not so great at photo-litho | 04:48 |
| jihaaad | BUT | 04:48 |
| jihaaad | What sort of chip? | 04:48 |
| kanzure_ | 3) Assemble a list of all physical mines and locations for the materials. Also list out all possible manufacturers/suppliers. | 04:48 |
| jihaaad | If you want to do a big ol chip, you need optical litho | 04:48 |
| jihaaad | for a really small, one-off IC | 04:49 |
| jihaaad | you can do ebeam litho | 04:49 |
| jihaaad | You can even use an SEM to do it :D | 04:49 |
| kanzure_ | 4) Acquire the materials by literally hunting down the responsible parties. Assemble. | 04:49 |
| gene | heh | 04:49 |
| kanzure_ | 5) Make 'microchips'. Not the food. | 04:49 |
| jihaaad | 6) tell kanzure he's gay | 04:49 |
| gene | 6)????? | 04:49 |
| fenn | 7) profit! | 04:49 |
| gene | 7)profit! | 04:49 |
| kanzure_ | jihaaad: tell your mom that I | 04:50 |
| kanzure_ | meh, you know how it goes | 04:50 |
| kanzure_ | everyone else does. | 04:50 |
| fenn | like a bat out of hell | 04:50 |
| jihaaad | Man, this place was way too professional before I got here | 04:51 |
| fenn | so microoptical displays were about $2500 at the time they discontinued | 04:51 |
| jihaaad | now you're finally acting like the scumbags you all are | 04:52 |
| gene | chips for 10M computer | 04:52 |
| jihaaad | makes me feel all worm and fuzzy | 04:52 |
| fenn | 10M? | 04:52 |
| gene | an old unit of measurement | 04:52 |
| fenn | meter? | 04:52 |
| gene | 3.2*10^8 bits | 04:52 |
| fenn | no that's "m" | 04:52 |
| gene | It might be some prefix of words | 04:53 |
| fenn | gene: mind providing some reference information? i've never heard of this | 04:53 |
| gene | http://www.islandone.org/MMSG/aasm/AASM5D.html#5d | 04:53 |
| gene | computational requirements for an automated mining robot | 04:53 |
| fenn | guess it was before 8 bit became standard as the byte | 04:54 |
| fenn | since 8 was just the instruction size | 04:55 |
| fenn | or something like that | 04:55 |
| fenn | and he's assuming 32 bit words | 04:55 |
| gene | although, given today's current technology it might be better to go with something a bit meatier | 04:55 |
| gene | the mining robots need to have binocular vision | 04:55 |
| gene | so it probably means they intended them to move real slowly | 04:56 |
| fenn | doesn't say anything about speed, only memory capacity | 04:57 |
| jihaaad | All my robots are very manly. | 04:58 |
| jihaaad | I usually put truck nuts on them. | 04:58 |
| fenn | and bull horns | 04:58 |
| jihaaad | even my nano-devices have balls | 04:59 |
| fenn | introduced the bill on Tuesday under the pretext of safety, claiming that replicas of genitalia could distract drivers, causing accidents. | 05:00 |
| gene | the lunar factory takes a year to replicate | 05:00 |
| gene | pretty good considering it's the size of a city | 05:00 |
| gene | or small town | 05:00 |
| gene | and that we humans take 9 months to replicate | 05:01 |
| kanzure_ | what do you mean it takes a year to replicate? nobody's hashed out all of the tech | 05:02 |
| kanzure_ | otherwise I'd have my "implement it now" button | 05:02 |
| gene | it's an estimate | 05:02 |
| jihaaad | I suddenly felt the immensely powerful urge to punch gene in the face. | 05:02 |
| jihaaad | I don't even dislike him. | 05:02 |
| jihaaad | It was just a really intense and abrupt feeling. | 05:02 |
| jihaaad | Disturbing. | 05:02 |
| fenn | there there, it happens to us all the time, don't feel bad | 05:03 |
| gene | NASA likes to do estimates | 05:03 |
| gene | http://www.islandone.org/MMSG/aasm/AASM5F.html#5f | 05:03 |
| gene | you know so they can convince congress | 05:04 |
| kanzure_ | why? | 05:04 |
| fenn | 1 year is totally arbitrary | 05:05 |
| gene | yeah | 05:05 |
| gene | it is | 05:05 |
| gene | I personally believe that the hardest part of building a replicator is building something to assemble the parts | 05:06 |
| fenn | so i had this idea to take an oled linear array and reflect it off a vibrating mirror like the old private eye/virtual boy display | 05:07 |
| gene | heh | 05:07 |
| gene | virtual boy | 05:07 |
| kanzure_ | virtual boy was a visor, no? | 05:07 |
| gene | INSTANT HEADACHE | 05:07 |
| kanzure_ | private eye was monocular :) | 05:07 |
| fenn | eww "Jul 30, 2007 ... Osram GmbH will cease production of OLED-based displays and close the related fab" | 05:08 |
| fenn | wtf | 05:08 |
| fenn | virtual boy was just atrocious engineering | 05:08 |
| fenn | the display technology was fine | 05:08 |
| kanzure_ | was that the only guy doing organic LEDs? | 05:08 |
| fenn | they were the only ones selling them... | 05:08 |
| kanzure_ | blah | 05:09 |
| gene | not so much atrocious engineering as overhype | 05:09 |
| gene | well you know what this means | 05:09 |
| kanzure_ | I wonder why so many people were getting excited about organic LEDs then | 05:09 |
| kanzure_ | if it was just all marketing for one company | 05:09 |
| * kanzure_ suspects this happens often. | 05:09 | |
| fenn | because they are really cool looking | 05:09 |
| gene | flexable displays | 05:09 |
| fenn | it's not just marketing | 05:09 |
| kanzure_ | oh, I'm sure they are cool | 05:09 |
| gene | HUEG FLEXIBLE DISPLAYS | 05:09 |
| gene | that look like stuff out Bladerunner | 05:10 |
| kanzure_ | my perl script for working with the xml files kind of blew up today | 05:10 |
| gene | file transfer not working? | 05:11 |
| kanzure_ | the data::dumper failed me or something when I was working with XML::Simple. | 05:11 |
| kanzure_ | no, all of the files are available now | 05:11 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/repo.tgz <-- there you go, gene | 05:11 |
| gene | I don't know perl | 05:11 |
| jihaaad | okay | 05:11 |
| jihaaad | shit | 05:11 |
| jihaaad | i have a chem question | 05:11 |
| jihaaad | anyone want to help me? | 05:12 |
| gene | with? | 05:12 |
| gene | purifying hydrogen peroxide? | 05:12 |
| gene | making perchlorate? | 05:12 |
| kanzure_ | gene: that link isn't perl | 05:12 |
| kanzure_ | it's an archive. kind of like zip. | 05:12 |
| jihaaad | I have 16.25g of Al (.602 mol), and 8.28g of Br2 (.052 mol). The balanced stoichiometric equation is 2Al + 3Br2 --> Al2Br6. How much product forms? I know the limiting reactant is Br2, but how can I calculate the mass of the product from that? | 05:12 |
| fenn | need masses of al and br | 05:13 |
| fenn | per mol | 05:13 |
| kanzure_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminum | 05:13 |
| gene | calculate the number of moles | 05:13 |
| kanzure_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bromine | 05:13 |
| gene | of each component then work from their | 05:13 |
| gene | *there | 05:14 |
| fenn | so aluminum is 26.981539 amu, times 6.02e23 = 0.026971942 kg/mol | 05:14 |
| jihaaad | Al2Br6= 533.36 g/mol | 05:15 |
| gene | Homework? | 05:15 |
| jihaaad | ya | 05:15 |
| jihaaad | I like chemistry, though, don't get me wrong | 05:15 |
| gene | freshman? | 05:15 |
| jihaaad | this is optional hw, not even on the test | 05:15 |
| jihaaad | No. | 05:16 |
| jihaaad | Just an easy course. | 05:16 |
| jihaaad | Sophomore. | 05:16 |
| gene | I am a freshman | 05:16 |
| jihaaad | This question is really simple, I'm embarassed for not getting it | 05:16 |
| gene | that's what google is for | 05:16 |
| jihaaad | Anyone know what I'm missing? | 05:17 |
| fenn | * .052/6 = .23357g al + 0.52mol*br | 05:17 |
| jihaaad | fenn: explain | 05:18 |
| fenn | i'm not done yet | 05:18 |
| jihaaad | I don't get it. | 05:18 |
| fenn | oh crap i missed a 2 somewhere | 05:18 |
| fenn | .052 mol of br2 right? not br | 05:18 |
| jihaaad | aha | 05:18 |
| jihaaad | I got it | 05:19 |
| jihaaad | It was .017 | 05:19 |
| fenn | .017 what | 05:19 |
| jihaaad | .017 mol/Al2Br6 | 05:19 |
| jihaaad | you should have divided by 3 | 05:19 |
| jihaaad | not 6 | 05:19 |
| jihaaad | because | 05:19 |
| fenn | yes | 05:19 |
| jihaaad | original reactant was br2 | 05:19 |
| fenn | i wish gnu units could handle arbitrary symbols | 05:20 |
| fenn | (without hacking the conf files) | 05:20 |
| fenn | hm | 05:21 |
| fenn | units aluminum Definition: 26.981539 | 05:21 |
| jihaaad | open source software is gay | 05:21 |
| gene | you did not just say that | 05:21 |
| jihaaad | oh yes i did | 05:21 |
| jihaaad | and i'll say it again too | 05:21 |
| kanzure_ | gene: you're on Windows .. | 05:21 |
| gene | I am | 05:21 |
| gene | But I use open office | 05:21 |
| jihaaad | see, you hate open source software | 05:21 |
| gene | So I'm not that evil | 05:21 |
| jihaaad | I have a VERY good reason to hate open source software | 05:22 |
| fenn | open office is gay | 05:22 |
| fenn | (by deduction of course) | 05:22 |
| jihaaad | the reason is... | 05:22 |
| jihaaad | I use Gentoo | 05:22 |
| jihaaad | not just Gentoo | 05:22 |
| jihaaad | but Gentoo Hardened | 05:22 |
| jihaaad | cuz im paranoiddd | 05:22 |
| fenn | you're not making any sense | 05:23 |
| fenn | snap out of it man! | 05:23 |
| jihaaad | Using Gentoo will make you hate open source software | 05:23 |
| gene | 4096 bit key for the win | 05:23 |
| jihaaad | I also do happen to think open source software is kind of pointless. | 05:23 |
| jihaaad | I mean...it's all open source. | 05:23 |
| fenn | the source is just out there.. | 05:23 |
| jihaaad | Just not in the convenient, give-it-to-me-now format that people expect it in | 05:23 |
| fenn | anyone can see it! | 05:23 |
| jihaaad | it's in assembly | 05:24 |
| fenn | huh? | 05:24 |
| kanzure_ | not convenient? | 05:24 |
| jihaaad | disassemble it, you dongs | 05:24 |
| kanzure_ | how inconvenient is "apt-get install omg my softwares" ? | 05:24 |
| jihaaad | GOD INVENTED GDB FOR A REASON | 05:24 |
| fenn | jihaaad: the whole universe is open source then, because it's all out there | 05:24 |
| kanzure_ | Wasn't that RMS? | 05:24 |
| jihaaad | kanzure: what is this apt you speak of | 05:24 |
| fenn | including your precious precious encrypted data | 05:25 |
| kanzure_ | jihaaad: your synaptic, I think | 05:25 |
| kanzure_ | or yum | 05:25 |
| kanzure_ | what does gentoo have for repositories? | 05:25 |
| fenn | emerge, sorta | 05:25 |
| kanzure_ | ah right | 05:25 |
| fenn | except it's more of a pain in the ass and you have to wait around while stuff compiles | 05:25 |
| kanzure_ | do you get to pre configure upfront? | 05:25 |
| fenn | though we could have some kind of world wide ccache/distcc going on | 05:26 |
| jihaaad | nope | 05:26 |
| jihaaad | i'm portage, baby | 05:26 |
| kanzure_ | distcc? | 05:26 |
| jihaaad | compile it alllllll yourself | 05:26 |
| jihaaad | you kids today dont even roll your own kernels | 05:26 |
| fenn | so your machine generates the hash for your particular source tree and configuration, then you compile it and upload the result to anyone with the same config/src | 05:26 |
| jihaaad | raise your hands if you've even seen menuconfig | 05:26 |
| fenn | kernels are stupid | 05:26 |
| jihaaad | YOU TAKE THAT BACK | 05:27 |
| jihaaad | TAKE IT BACK FENN | 05:27 |
| fenn | userspace ftw | 05:27 |
| jihaaad | YOU TAKE IT BACK RIGHT THE FUCK NOW OR I'LL FUCKING RAPE YOU | 05:27 |
| gene | Kernals are on corn | 05:27 |
| jihaaad | ya YA YA | 05:27 |
| gene | that is how much I know about software | 05:27 |
| jihaaad | arent you guyz like biohaxors or somethin | 05:27 |
| gene | yeah genes!=softwares | 05:28 |
| * fenn looks at gene funny | 05:28 | |
| fenn | sure about that? | 05:28 |
| jihaaad | oh yes they are | 05:28 |
| jihaaad | hell | 05:28 |
| jihaaad | You're closer to an assembly coder than most. | 05:28 |
| gene | Do you know what a goto statement is? | 05:29 |
| jihaaad | absolutely | 05:29 |
| fenn | there's no equivalent of a kernel in a cell, since everything is happening all at once (parallel) so no time slicing | 05:29 |
| gene | and why programmers aren't supposed to use it | 05:29 |
| jihaaad | gene: Myth. | 05:29 |
| jihaaad | Djikstra was an asshole. | 05:29 |
| jihaaad | Don't listen to him. | 05:29 |
| jihaaad | "Goto considered harmful"? | 05:29 |
| jihaaad | yeah, if you're a dweeb and scared to code in x86, maybe | 05:30 |
| fenn | it's the functional programming equivalent of OOP madness | 05:30 |
| jihaaad | You more or less HAVE to use goto in asm | 05:30 |
| fenn | but x86 has nothing to do with it | 05:30 |
| jihaaad | yes it does | 05:30 |
| jihaaad | x86 instruction set | 05:30 |
| fenn | nuh wai | 05:30 |
| jihaaad | yuh huh | 05:30 |
| gene | it's not harmful it just makes i hard for other people add stuff to your code was what my computer teacher told us | 05:30 |
| jihaaad | oh | 05:30 |
| jihaaad | I'm an assembly coder, nobody gives a flying fuck what I do | 05:31 |
| fenn | coding in asm is a waste of time these days | 05:31 |
| jihaaad | fenn: wrong | 05:31 |
| jihaaad | you try backdooring a tcp stack without it. | 05:31 |
| fenn | x86 is a bunch of crap | 05:31 |
| jihaaad | You do realize I'm a black hat, right? | 05:31 |
| gene | promotors are "almost" like goto statements I believe | 05:31 |
| gene | heh | 05:31 |
| fenn | step up to a real processor architecture like ARM | 05:31 |
| fenn | the only reason anyone learned asm was to hack closed source software | 05:32 |
| fenn | but we dont have to do that anymore | 05:32 |
| kanzure_ | fenn: he's talking about injecting assembly to go trolling through tcp stacks. | 05:32 |
| fenn | yes i know | 05:32 |
| kanzure_ | k | 05:32 |
| kanzure_ | just making sure. | 05:33 |
| jihaaad | fenn: uh | 05:33 |
| jihaaad | we don't? | 05:33 |
| jihaaad | yes we do | 05:33 |
| fenn | why? | 05:33 |
| jihaaad | YOU find a buffer overflow without it | 05:33 |
| -!- gene is now known as ihavenoideawhaty | 05:33 | |
| jihaaad | You're not getting it | 05:33 |
| kanzure_ | gene needs to become a programmer | 05:33 |
| jihaaad | i am not doing this for legal or legit reasons | 05:33 |
| jihaaad | i am a bad, mean, malicious hacker | 05:33 |
| fenn | ooo scarey | 05:34 |
| jihaaad | i would gladly write rootkits | 05:34 |
| jihaaad | that sort of thing | 05:34 |
| kanzure_ | you keep telling yourself that | 05:34 |
| ihavenoideawhaty | that's why I am taking a programming class Kanzure | 05:34 |
| kanzure_ | classes suck. | 05:34 |
| jihaaad | oh ya | 05:34 |
| fenn | i just dont see the point i guess | 05:34 |
| ihavenoideawhaty | go poison some DNS jihaaad | 05:34 |
| jihaaad | wanna talk about your security mr. someone is trying to csrf me | 05:34 |
| -!- ihavenoideawhaty is now known as gene | 05:34 | |
| jihaaad | I'll do a lot worse than poison DNS | 05:34 |
| jihaaad | I'll have sex | 05:34 |
| jihaaad | with your mom | 05:34 |
| jihaaad | ... | 05:35 |
| jihaaad | WHILE SNIFFING YOUR TRAFFIC | 05:35 |
| kanzure_ | you'll hook him up to OpenDNS? ;-) | 05:35 |
| gene | could you get 80kgs of americium delivered to my house? | 05:35 |
| fenn | opening a smoke detector factory? | 05:35 |
| gene | yes, that's the reason | 05:36 |
| gene | that is the reason | 05:36 |
| kanzure_ | gene wants to walk around with an 80 kg radioactive battery pack for his laptop | 05:36 |
| fenn | so nice to see the entrepreneuring spirit making a comeback | 05:36 |
| fenn | pfwa why not just carry around 80kg of li-ion batts | 05:36 |
| fenn | or a tank of gasoline and genset | 05:36 |
| gene | 80kgs of americium is enough to make so much more than an atomic battery | 05:37 |
| fenn | enlighten us o radioactive one | 05:37 |
| gene | you could make an atomic bomb with 80 kgs of americium | 05:37 |
| jihaaad | gene: do not ask about that online | 05:37 |
| gene | http://www.lateralscience.co.uk/spin/index.html | 05:37 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/ | 05:38 |
| kanzure_ | check the mindat zip file | 05:38 |
| gene | it is not possible to build an atomic bomb with americium | 05:38 |
| jihaaad | Do not ask about things like that when you're not encrypted | 05:38 |
| jihaaad | americium = dirty bomb shit | 05:38 |
| kanzure_ | Oh please. | 05:38 |
| gene | I don't think there is enough americium in the world in one place to do such a thing | 05:38 |
| kanzure_ | I've been unencrpyted for decades, and you have little idea what shit I've been pulling off. | 05:38 |
| gene | jihaaad I shall heed your warning | 05:38 |
| gene | maybe we should start using one time pad encryption | 05:39 |
| gene | it is uncrackable | 05:39 |
| kanzure_ | what the hell for ? | 05:39 |
| gene | it is uncrackable | 05:39 |
| jihaaad | es | 05:39 |
| kanzure_ | why do you need encryption? | 05:39 |
| jihaaad | yes :D | 05:39 |
| kanzure_ | what do you have to hide? | 05:39 |
| kanzure_ | and from who? | 05:39 |
| gene | no matter the amount of computation power NSA has | 05:40 |
| jihaaad | kanzure: ... | 05:40 |
| gene | they will never crack one time pad | 05:40 |
| jihaaad | gene: My girlfriend thought it was really funny to write me a letter with a one time pad | 05:40 |
| gene | neat | 05:40 |
| gene | you ever read cryptomoicon? | 05:40 |
| jihaaad | I need to. | 05:40 |
| gene | yeah | 05:40 |
| gene | you know what van eeck phreaking is? | 05:40 |
| * fenn snorez | 05:41 | |
| gene | you can do it with LCDs | 05:41 |
| fenn | they can read your mind man | 05:41 |
| gene | they can't read my mind | 05:41 |
| fenn | but you can stop it with a tinfoil hat | 05:41 |
| gene | I'm wearing a tinfoil hat | 05:41 |
| gene | actually a copper gauze hay | 05:42 |
| fenn | no it has to be a special design purchased from fennetic security industries | 05:42 |
| gene | OH NO! | 05:42 |
| gene | I shall have to unload lot's of money into your company to buy your useless product to protect me from government brain control rays | 05:43 |
| gene | there are some pseudoscience things I can't believe people actually bought | 05:43 |
| gene | potassium DIFUCKINGCHROMATE supplements | 05:44 |
| fenn | eek | 05:44 |
| fenn | eeck :) | 05:44 |
| gene | yeah | 05:44 |
| fenn | how do you pronounce that anyway | 05:44 |
| kanzure_ | the 'fucking' is silent | 05:44 |
| gene | people ate something more toxic than lead to 'improve' their health | 05:45 |
| gene | this was in the 1990s | 05:45 |
| gene | not 1850 | 05:45 |
| fenn | http://www.ka7oei.com/oled_pelorus4l.jpg http://www.ka7oei.com/oled_pelorus2_l.jpg | 05:49 |
| fenn | seem to remember that being smaller, oh well | 05:49 |
| gene | what's that? | 05:49 |
| gene | radar? | 05:49 |
| gene | oh OLEDs | 05:50 |
| gene | damn | 05:50 |
| gene | too bad they don't make those anymore | 05:50 |
| fenn | for "doppler DF" tracking, whatever that means | 05:51 |
| gene | how simple is it to do? | 05:51 |
| fenn | i think its something like radar | 05:51 |
| fenn | anyway it was the oled display i was interested in | 05:52 |
| gene | could you do it with vacuum tubes? | 05:52 |
| kanzure_ | the part repository specfies what different parts and subcomponents transfer to one another - matter/energy/etc. For two metal solids/plates that are next to one another, maybe it could be said it supports solid stability as the material/energy to the overall structure. | 05:53 |
| kanzure_ | 'stability' being a distributed property of the system of parts | 05:53 |
| * kanzure_ crashes | 05:53 | |
| gene | SWEET! | 05:53 |
| gene | Well, I'm goggling out | 05:54 |
| fenn | Pursuant to secret Presidential Order 17196 all personal computers manufactured since September 11, 2001 contain an embedded thermite detonation device. Repeated attempts to access restricted areas could result in a self destruct command being transmitted to your computer. | 11:54 |
| kanzure | restricated areas of what, hard drives? | 12:14 |
| kanzure | Also, what if you're just going to work ? | 12:14 |
| kanzure | Has anyone here done any linear programming before? | 12:43 |
| kanzure | anything about quadtrees and multidimensional spatial data processing, i.e. O(n^2) (or better?) directional access to members of the spatial dimensions near some node in the space? | 12:43 |
| * ybit waves goodbye | 15:49 | |
| * bkero waves back. | 15:50 | |
| bkero | I found a place to live. 8) | 15:50 |
| bkero | Also, I want to be in New Jersey tonight. | 15:50 |
| bkero | Fuck that sounds awful. | 15:50 |
| kanzure___ | eh? | 16:13 |
| bkero | Jersey | 16:48 |
| kanzure___ | fenn: | 17:14 |
| kanzure___ | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/prettyrepo.zip | 17:14 |
| kanzure___ | instead of 400 bajillion megabytes, | 17:14 |
| kanzure___ | it's now 600 KB. | 17:14 |
| fenn | ah nice, i already downloaded the 300mb one though | 17:15 |
| kanzure___ | hahah | 17:15 |
| kanzure___ | yeah that was my evil plan all along :) | 17:15 |
| kanzure___ | anyway, I've figured out a few perl/xml scripts to play with the nonsense. doesn't really do anything. | 17:17 |
| kanzure___ | this is really the sort of thing that belongs in a mysql database | 17:17 |
| kanzure___ | then I'd separate the subfunctions from their components (or whatever this stupid ontology is) and show mix-and-match nonsense (ignoring actual interfacing issues, 'course) | 17:18 |
| kanzure___ | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/repo/latest_script_output.txt <- 1.2 MB output file. Lists subfunctions and the various flows between different components, erm, sort of. | 17:37 |
| kanzure___ | It's not all that specific in the details of the flows at the moment, but that seems to be a turtlelayeraddition issue | 17:37 |
| fenn | gasp readable text | 17:39 |
| fenn | did we ever figure out what they were trying to do with the flow connections? (function matrix) | 17:40 |
| kanzure___ | my best guess is that it's like a metaphor for | 17:41 |
| kanzure___ | oh crap, I just realized that the txt file is basically yaml :p | 17:41 |
| fenn | yeah | 17:41 |
| kanzure___ | anyway, a metaphor for "your PDF app doesn't take HTML as input" | 17:41 |
| kanzure___ | so if you were automatically designing scripts or something, you wouldn't be stupid and have an HTML-only app take PDF, blah blah blah | 17:42 |
| fenn | or at least what i wish yaml would accept | 17:42 |
| kanzure___ | same thing with parts. I think. | 17:42 |
| kanzure___ | did you run it through a quick loader script or something? | 17:42 |
| kanzure___ | http://heybryan.org/docs/ should have an old py file that's supposed to load/check yaml | 17:42 |
| kanzure___ | or something. | 17:42 |
| fenn | no, its just last time i messed with yaml it was a pain in the ass | 17:43 |
| kanzure___ | specifics? | 17:43 |
| fenn | 'yer doin it wrong' more or less | 17:43 |
| kanzure___ | but, as for the 'function matrix', no clue. the output on their server basically shows that their function matrices are useless. | 17:43 |
| kanzure___ | information content = 0 :( | 17:43 |
| fenn | it's just 1's along the diagonal basically? | 17:44 |
| kanzure___ | yes | 17:45 |
| kanzure___ | did you look? that's exactly what it is. | 17:45 |
| fenn | so all we need to do is multiply the inverse of the function matrix of a gun and a cigarette and we'll get a magical machine that makes happy bunnies and flowers | 17:45 |
| kanzure___ | even when you select multiple (all!) of the products in their db | 17:45 |
| kanzure___ | heh | 17:45 |
| kanzure___ | that could be arranged ;) | 17:45 |
| kanzure___ | off to chem. next thingy is db table structure. then queries to show that the subfunctions/flows are cross-referenceable to an appropriate extent. | 17:47 |
| pk | bryan | 18:44 |
| pk | are you there? | 18:44 |
| pk | or anyone for that matter | 18:44 |
| fenn | meep | 18:49 |
| fenn | no, i'm not here, i'm asleep | 18:50 |
| pk | do you know of any evidence that shows that children get dopamine rewards from doing what they think their parents consider "good"? | 18:50 |
| pk | woo | 19:05 |
| pk | welcome back | 19:05 |
| kanzure___ | pk: somewhat. | 19:45 |
| kanzure___ | http://web.archive.org/web/*/reciprocality.org/ might have some information, but not heavily referenced | 19:45 |
| kanzure___ | I also don't understand how you can call it a 'dopamine reward' .. it's only a 'reward' in the folk psych sense, that doesn't explain what's actually going on | 19:46 |
| kanzure___ | as for the db. I think I'll just throw any element into the db in its own table with its own unique id. then, all children in their own tables will say that their parentID is that object/superset. is this an ok db design? | 19:47 |
| facefaceface | did you know cloning is dead? | 20:00 |
| facefaceface | long live cloning! | 20:01 |
| facefaceface | I'm just catching up on some reading | 20:01 |
| facefaceface | did you know the technology exists right now to grow a new you? | 20:01 |
| facefaceface | right this very day! | 20:01 |
| facefaceface | It got me excited again, even though I already knew about it... somehow the implications hadn't sunk in | 20:01 |
| facefaceface | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18371336 | 20:02 |
| facefaceface | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18157115 | 20:02 |
| facefaceface | forget cloning! Lets clone! | 20:02 |
| facefaceface | what do you think would happen if you grafted a second brain on to your own? | 20:03 |
| facefaceface | Do you think I could grow another arm? I could type 3 times as fast! | 20:03 |
| facefaceface | (not sure how that would work exactly...) | 20:04 |
| facefaceface | next time you need a new liver, demand your own! | 20:04 |
| facefaceface | got a rare brain disease? let us grow some of it in a dish and see whats up... | 20:04 |
| facefaceface | all from a pin prick | 20:04 |
| facefaceface | I don't know how this has excaped the media attention... seems the 'good' stem cells are some how under the radar of the general public | 20:05 |
| UtopiahGHML | « corticogenèse in vitro » (Nature 17th of | 20:05 |
| UtopiahGHML | August) | 20:05 |
| facefaceface | hi | 20:05 |
| facefaceface | evolutionary computational dynamics = jim crutchfield | 20:06 |
| facefaceface | you were talking like one of his 'evolutiobnary agents' | 20:06 |
| facefaceface | adaptive modelling agents | 20:06 |
| facefaceface | well.. take care | 20:06 |
| kanzure___ | fenn - http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/repo/table_structures.txt is my proposal. there's a few spots where I am a bit hazy atm. | 20:07 |
| kanzure___ | okay, so there's a lot of redundancy in this data set | 20:45 |
| kanzure___ | that being said, what's the lesser evil? | 20:45 |
| kanzure___ | do I want to check for duplicates as I add them, or just prune the db later? | 20:45 |
| kanzure___ | adding duplicates means that I have cross-references all over the place and that would be a pain to prune. | 20:47 |
| kanzure___ | guess I'll just do a search for pre-existing qualifying matches before I add anything into the db. yikes. | 20:48 |
| kanzure___ | blah. overhead walking times just to get the foods. /me puts off the perl-mysql interface nonsense. | 20:50 |
| kanzure | interesting | 23:17 |
| kanzure | it turns out that it's hard toget deep enough into the torrenting community to actually release data | 23:17 |
| kanzure | there's no "click here to rapidshare" (not rapidshare, but "rapidly share") | 23:18 |
| kanzure | http://filesharefreak.com/2008/04/27/private-tracker-irc-channel-index/ guess this might do it. | 23:20 |
| pk | back | 23:30 |
| pk | so, bryan, what on this site are you referring to? | 23:31 |
| kanzure | the list. | 23:32 |
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