| --- Day changed Mon Oct 06 2008 | ||
| kanzure | "To view either live or archived streaming video you will need Internet Explorer 5.0 or higher (or another fully PHP compatible web browser)." | 00:42 |
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| nsh | heh | 01:05 |
| kanzure | my spazzy new browser is Ruby on Rails compatible | 01:18 |
| kanzure | it's unfortunate but that first quote was extracted from pdx.edu | 01:19 |
| kanzure | any guesses on what these guys are up to? http://www.smsgratisversturen.nl/bulksms.asmx?WSDL | 03:08 |
| percent_ | i'm back | 03:13 |
| percent_ | this place reeks of science | 03:13 |
| kanzure | would it make you feel any better if I told you that I've been exploiting multi-billion-dollar corporate backdoors all night? | 03:14 |
| -!- percent_ is now known as jihaaaad | 03:20 | |
| jihaaaad | yes | 03:20 |
| jihaaaad | details | 03:20 |
| splicer | (...any black ice?) | 03:46 |
| jihaaaad | No, Johnny Case. | 03:48 |
| jihaaaad | I doubt there was any. | 03:48 |
| -!- jihaaaad is now known as dxie | 03:48 | |
| -!- dxie is now known as dixie | 03:48 | |
| -!- dixie is now known as jihaaaaaad | 03:48 | |
| jihaaaaaad | Screw the neuromancer references. | 03:49 |
| splicer | I remember reading that book four times before I understood what it was about. | 03:52 |
| splicer | At the time it was full of new references. | 03:53 |
| jihaaaaaad | It's always surprised me that there aren't any hackers here | 03:53 |
| jihaaaaaad | you'd think you'd pick up normal hacking before biohacking | 03:54 |
| kanzure | ' An entire Cup Final crowd, cheering and shouting for ninety minutes, generates about enough energy [from their sound] to boil a kettle.'' | 03:54 |
| jihaaaaaad | but no | 03:54 |
| jihaaaaaad | kanzure: Did you actually find a 0day? | 03:54 |
| kanzure | jihaaaaaad: nah, you're just wrong | 03:54 |
| splicer | there were.. there was the demo scene and others | 03:54 |
| jihaaaaaad | like genetics is much different from assembly? | 03:54 |
| kanzure | much? | 03:54 |
| jihaaaaaad | it's a RISC ISA | 03:55 |
| jihaaaaaad | which means we, as human beings, are defective and should be thrown away | 03:55 |
| kanzure | Not really .With RISC processors you can basically simulate the whole damn thing. Not so much with the genotype-phenotype problems in genetics. | 03:55 |
| kanzure | no, it's CISC that is defective | 03:55 |
| kanzure | :) | 03:55 |
| jihaaaaaad | NO | 03:56 |
| jihaaaaaad | YOU FUCKING TAKE THAT BACK | 03:56 |
| jihaaaaaad | RIGHT THE FUCK NOW KANZURE | 03:56 |
| jihaaaaaad | YOU FUCKING TAKE IT BACK | 03:56 |
| * splicer agrees with Kanz. .. mostly because he is lazy | 03:56 | |
| jihaaaaaad | You can sort of simulate CISC | 03:57 |
| jihaaaaaad | we call it VMWare! | 03:57 |
| kanzure | Sigh. | 03:57 |
| kanzure | No you don't. | 03:57 |
| jihaaaaaad | well, ya, it's not a full implementation | 03:57 |
| jihaaaaaad | it also simulates other stuff | 03:58 |
| jihaaaaaad | so | 03:58 |
| splicer | (jihaaaad is a communist) | 03:58 |
| jihaaaaaad | that doesn't mean it doesn't implement x86 at least | 03:58 |
| jihaaaaaad | So maybe I am | 03:58 |
| jihaaaaaad | FOR THE MOTHERLAND | 03:58 |
| splicer | (he he) | 03:59 |
| jihaaaaaad | Once, my ex gave me strep throat. | 04:03 |
| jihaaaaaad | During finals week | 04:03 |
| jihaaaaaad | it was awful. | 04:03 |
| splicer | yeah, she gave it to me too | 04:04 |
| jihaaaaaad | Oh, no doubt. | 04:05 |
| jihaaaaaad | She was a whore. People used to say, "Oh, I know your girlfriend", and I'd be like, "Let me guess, you fucked her. Whoop de do, so has everyone else." | 04:05 |
| jihaaaaaad | Needless to say, she was a lunatic in the sack. God, I'll never date another girl who hasn't had sex with at least ten men. | 04:06 |
| jihaaaaaad | ...at once. | 04:06 |
| splicer | ;) sorry to hear that brother | 04:06 |
| jihaaaaaad | don't be | 04:06 |
| jihaaaaaad | I consider it a positive trait. | 04:06 |
| jihaaaaaad | i recall, once, at a party, she kept trying to get me to fuck her friend | 04:06 |
| jihaaaaaad | Too bad she was an emotional wreck and a heroin addict. | 04:06 |
| splicer | hey taht _is_ nice | 04:07 |
| splicer | ...Im one comment behing always | 04:07 |
| jihaaaaaad | Good girls are so boring. | 04:08 |
| splicer | it's funny that, the shiny alive ones can very well be nuts. | 04:08 |
| jihaaaaaad | Being crazy is fine, I definitely like it. | 04:08 |
| splicer | seriously? | 04:08 |
| jihaaaaaad | oh, yeah | 04:08 |
| jihaaaaaad | I broke up with her because we got too emotionally involved. | 04:09 |
| splicer | smart and nuts is good | 04:09 |
| jihaaaaaad | It was doomed from the start. | 04:09 |
| jihaaaaaad | She was so weird. She never wore deodorant, but she never smelled like body odor...she smelled like...metal and isopropyl alcohol. | 04:10 |
| jihaaaaaad | It was so weird. It was noxious, sort of. Like you'd get a headache from being around her. | 04:10 |
| jihaaaaaad | It didn't even smell human. | 04:10 |
| jihaaaaaad | it wasn't disgusting, just painful over time | 04:10 |
| splicer | a bit like a realdoll then maybe | 04:11 |
| jihaaaaaad | are they made of metal now | 04:11 |
| jihaaaaaad | because | 04:11 |
| jihaaaaaad | if the terminator realdoll is out | 04:11 |
| jihaaaaaad | i am SO buying one | 04:11 |
| splicer | ;) | 04:11 |
| splicer | Smells are important to some women, the way the man smells | 04:12 |
| jihaaaaaad | i smell like sex | 04:12 |
| jihaaaaaad | always | 04:12 |
| splicer | hehe..there is the sniffing thing they do | 04:13 |
| splicer | and they steal shirts | 04:13 |
| jihaaaaaad | Has a girl ever like, confiscated one of your shirts? | 04:13 |
| jihaaaaaad | haa | 04:13 |
| jihaaaaaad | I was typing that. | 04:13 |
| splicer | ;) | 04:13 |
| jihaaaaaad | Why do they do that? | 04:13 |
| splicer | I've caught them sniffing them | 04:13 |
| jihaaaaaad | Women are so creepy. | 04:14 |
| splicer | They are above all women, not to be misstaken for men... as their inner workings are different | 04:15 |
| splicer | I love being a man | 04:15 |
| jihaaaaaad | I'd kill myself if I was female. | 04:16 |
| splicer | Women wouldn't come up with a subculture like the PUA community for instance | 04:16 |
| splicer | yeah ;) | 04:16 |
| jihaaaaaad | I do, however, tend to reject the mental differences between men and women. | 04:16 |
| splicer | I seriously don't | 04:16 |
| jihaaaaaad | I believe all people are more or less equal in their innate abilities, a woman has no excuse for being bad at math, and men have no excuse for being illiterate. | 04:16 |
| splicer | It's a touchy topic though | 04:16 |
| splicer | exual but different... for instance a woman is far better at calling one up on ones bullshit. | 04:17 |
| kanzure_ | It's quite possible that there's an excuse, though a programmer doesn't like leaving a bug. | 04:17 |
| splicer | (equal) | 04:17 |
| jihaaaaaad | splicer: I can bullshit better than any woman I know. | 04:17 |
| jihaaaaaad | Everything I say is a lie. | 04:17 |
| kanzure_ | Have I shown anybody here my genetic circuit for female breast growth induced by bacteria? | 04:18 |
| splicer | and they are probably thinking: "He's full of shit but I'll fuck him anyway" | 04:18 |
| jihaaaaaad | Nah, I can tell when someone knows I'm lying | 04:18 |
| jihaaaaaad | As much as I hate the accursed, poisoned, cliche, I was a social engineer long before I knew what one was. | 04:19 |
| splicer | like a recursive bullshit detector | 04:19 |
| jihaaaaaad | see, that's why i like lies | 04:19 |
| jihaaaaaad | they sometimes display recursion and branching, even | 04:19 |
| jihaaaaaad | They're almost alive...social mechanisms, set whirring to completion.... | 04:19 |
| splicer | women collectively have exceptional bullshit detectors | 04:20 |
| jihaaaaaad | not really | 04:20 |
| splicer | yes really | 04:20 |
| jihaaaaaad | they're easier to lie to than are men | 04:20 |
| splicer | but they also happen to laove games and drama | 04:20 |
| jihaaaaaad | The easiest to lie to are intelligent women. | 04:20 |
| splicer | I agree | 04:20 |
| splicer | (but they still know one is bullshitting them) | 04:21 |
| jihaaaaaad | Even if they knew | 04:21 |
| splicer | (and you know what I mean) | 04:21 |
| jihaaaaaad | they act as if they didn't | 04:21 |
| jihaaaaaad | Ultimately, the effect is as if they didn't know. | 04:21 |
| splicer | yes.. the sordid games we play | 04:21 |
| splicer | yeah | 04:21 |
| jihaaaaaad | Guys, should I go meet a tranny hooker in a graveyard? | 04:22 |
| splicer | ykiokbinmk | 04:23 |
| gene | no | 04:31 |
| splicer | it's ok.. it's his mom | 04:31 |
| gene | question here: is it possible to extract metals from seawater via electroplating? | 04:38 |
| jihaaaaaad | Hey | 04:38 |
| jihaaaaaad | I want to find a surgeon to perform medically questionable operations on me | 04:39 |
| jihaaaaaad | like implantations and shit | 04:39 |
| jihaaaaaad | where do i find such a black surgeon | 04:39 |
| kanzure_ | KFC? | 04:39 |
| kanzure_ | +A-*````````` | 04:39 |
| kanzure_ | `AA | 04:39 |
| kanzure_ | Shit. Keyboard fell. | 04:40 |
| gene | that alley behind the chinese restaurant | 04:40 |
| kanzure_ | gene: No, you see, it's funny because he's black. | 04:40 |
| gene | it's not illegal to perform such operations | 04:40 |
| kanzure_ | Without a license it is. | 04:40 |
| * kanzure_ has looked into surgeries for brain implants | 04:41 | |
| gene | some guy had an amateur implant a magnet in his hand | 04:41 |
| kanzure_ | yeah, I've met him | 04:41 |
| jihaaaaaad | i saw that | 04:41 |
| kanzure_ | it was in his finger tips | 04:41 |
| gene | shit kanzure | 04:41 |
| jihaaaaaad | It also broke apart after time | 04:41 |
| gene | yup | 04:41 |
| kanzure_ | Todd also does bil, the "other" TED conference | 04:41 |
| kanzure_ | last I checked he was doing destructive neural uploading with diamond knives and mitochondrial simulations. | 04:42 |
| gene | ouch | 04:42 |
| gene | that's gotta hurt | 04:42 |
| jihaaaaaad | So would he implant, say, a thermocouple mesh into my back? | 04:42 |
| kanzure_ | Meh, I think he had a random friend help him with the finger implants. | 04:43 |
| gene | hmmm... interesting | 04:43 |
| gene | to power your cellphone? | 04:43 |
| jihaaaaaad | I think any mind uploading is pretty pointless till we've really got molecular nanotechnology | 04:43 |
| jihaaaaaad | gene: to power anything else I implant. | 04:44 |
| kanzure_ | what the fuck is a mind | 04:44 |
| jihaaaaaad | Dunno, but it comes from yo brain, yo | 04:44 |
| gene | like? | 04:44 |
| jihaaaaaad | so you fuckin dupe dat shit | 04:44 |
| kanzure_ | jihaaaaaad: so let's deal with the brain then, eh? | 04:44 |
| gene | a calculator? | 04:44 |
| kanzure_ | gene: thermocouples have been used in brain implants before, for instance | 04:44 |
| jihaaaaaad | gene: Dunno. I kind of wanted to wire them up to my adrenal glands, in the absence of any implants. | 04:44 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/neuro/ | 04:44 |
| jihaaaaaad | Have a constant adrenaline rush. | 04:44 |
| kanzure_ | Hrm. | 04:45 |
| kanzure_ | How about a constant amphetamine rush? | 04:45 |
| jihaaaaaad | this would be the ultimate high | 04:45 |
| jihaaaaaad | Plus, it'd make me a beast, athletically. | 04:45 |
| gene | not if you have a huge thermocouple mesh implanted in your back | 04:45 |
| kanzure_ | Somebody in here was suggesting getting rid of the muscle growth blocking factor via aptamers in the blood. | 04:45 |
| kanzure_ | it might have been me | 04:46 |
| jihaaaaaad | gene: I imagine it'd be abotu a millimeter thick | 04:46 |
| gene | RNA lassos? | 04:46 |
| jihaaaaaad | kanzure: If you'd like to test a myostatin inhibitor, may I be first? | 04:46 |
| gene | RNA lassos might do the trick | 04:46 |
| jihaaaaaad | those sound likely to kill me | 04:46 |
| gene | they're little mobius loops of rna | 04:46 |
| jihaaaaaad | see, they're mobius strips | 04:47 |
| gene | they can inhibit genes like nobody's business | 04:47 |
| jihaaaaaad | you can't use a 1-dimensional method to treat a three-dimensional problem! | 04:47 |
| jihaaaaaad | Gene: Explain them to me? | 04:47 |
| gene | http://www.somagenics.com/platform.html | 04:48 |
| gene | sorry but I have to AFK | 04:48 |
| jihaaaaaad | Hm...is it permanent? | 04:49 |
| gene | nope | 04:49 |
| gene | it's RNAi | 04:50 |
| kanzure_ | siRNA is the holy grail at the moment | 04:50 |
| kanzure_ | anyway, aptamers are not RNAi | 04:50 |
| jihaaaaaad | I was about to ask. | 04:50 |
| gene | they're not? | 04:50 |
| jihaaaaaad | I don't want to permanently deactivate the gene yet | 04:50 |
| kanzure_ | jihaaaaaad: Nothing like that. | 04:50 |
| jihaaaaaad | ok lets do it | 04:51 |
| jihaaaaaad | someone find me a myostatin inhibitor and a needle | 04:51 |
| gene | siRNA is so yesterday | 04:51 |
| gene | big iRNA is the future | 04:51 |
| gene | I guess | 04:51 |
| jihaaaaaad | kanzure_: What was the biopunk novel you once set me? | 04:52 |
| jihaaaaaad | Ribofunk? | 04:52 |
| kanzure_ | Was probably Splicer that recommended Ribofunk. | 04:52 |
| jihaaaaaad | what did you advise | 04:53 |
| jihaaaaaad | I've always wondered what would happen if a consortium of hackers tried to publish a scientific paper. | 04:53 |
| kanzure_ | Biopunk stuff? nothing much. Greg Egan and Greg Bear have done some minor stuff. Slonczweski's "Brain Plague" maybe. | 04:53 |
| jihaaaaaad | A good paper. | 04:53 |
| jihaaaaaad | like | 04:53 |
| jihaaaaaad | Very scientific. | 04:53 |
| kanzure_ | Neverness for everything though | 04:53 |
| jihaaaaaad | Just not affiliated with any university. | 04:53 |
| kanzure_ | Hrm, I'm sure IEEE has a few hidden hackers in their nonacademic publications | 04:54 |
| gene | I haven't read any biopunk | 04:54 |
| jihaaaaaad | No, like | 04:54 |
| jihaaaaaad | we go and do research, right? | 04:54 |
| jihaaaaaad | We document it, make sure it's good scientific data. | 04:54 |
| jihaaaaaad | Then we try to publish in like | 04:54 |
| jihaaaaaad | nano today | 04:54 |
| jihaaaaaad | Under fake names, or no names. | 04:55 |
| splicer | (I haven't read Ribofunk) | 04:56 |
| jihaaaaaad | FAG | 04:56 |
| splicer | obviously | 04:56 |
| jihaaaaaad | kanzure: it was the one with the Ashkenazi in it | 04:56 |
| kanzure_ | Hrm. | 04:56 |
| kanzure_ | What do you mean? | 04:56 |
| kanzure_ | A biopunk novel with ashkenazis. Gah. | 04:57 |
| kanzure_ | That's highly specific. | 04:57 |
| jihaaaaaad | That's how I roll. | 04:58 |
| kanzure_ | Hm. | 06:16 |
| kanzure_ | matweb.zip's HTML files should be converted into matml | 06:16 |
| kanzure_ | not yaml or plaintext or a mysql/postgres db. | 06:16 |
| UtopiahGHML | anything structured basically | 06:17 |
| kanzure_ | http://matml.org/ | 06:17 |
| kanzure_ | are you familiar with it? | 06:17 |
| kanzure_ | it's a nice effort, but unfortunately nobody uses it | 06:17 |
| UtopiahGHML | not at all but since I can see a little *ML I probably can understand what it's all about | 06:17 |
| kanzure_ | there's about a total of one material written up in matml | 06:17 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.matml.org/ | 06:18 |
| * kanzure_ hates the www*-enthusiasts | 06:18 | |
| UtopiahGHML | the best thing for you would be to pick a structure language (*ML whatever) | 06:18 |
| UtopiahGHML | find a structure in your existing HTML | 06:18 |
| UtopiahGHML | write a converter, apply it then manually correct the few bugs | 06:18 |
| kanzure_ | well yeah | 06:18 |
| kanzure_ | that's what I'm saying | 06:18 |
| UtopiahGHML | improve the writer, etc... till you get sth good enough to finish by editing directly the result | 06:19 |
| kanzure_ | I was earlier just going to convert the HTML directly into something else, something other than MatML because I wasn't thinking | 06:19 |
| UtopiahGHML | not thinking can be a good idea if you ask for trusted friends who can think for you ;) | 06:19 |
| UtopiahGHML | do you know of any IdeaML ? | 06:21 |
| kanzure_ | sort of, yes | 06:21 |
| UtopiahGHML | or RDF to express ideas | 06:21 |
| kanzure_ | I know of 'ideanomics'. :) | 06:21 |
| kanzure_ | it's a combinatorial art of ideas. kind of like TRIX except less bullshitty. one guy spent 15 years going through this massive informational combinatorial idea space. | 06:22 |
| UtopiahGHML | oh, they do have a structured language already? | 06:22 |
| kanzure_ | unfortunately not. if there was going to be one, it'd just be some rules on top of grammar or something. | 06:22 |
| UtopiahGHML | hmmm they seem to be very patent oriented :/ | 06:23 |
| kanzure_ | I might have said the wrong term, it's 'ideonomics' maybe | 06:23 |
| kanzure_ | if you don't hit an mit.edu website, I'm wrong. | 06:23 |
| kanzure_ | Peter Gaskell or something. | 06:23 |
| UtopiahGHML | http://ideanomics.com/ideanomics-dashboard/ | 06:23 |
| kanzure_ | nope | 06:23 |
| kanzure_ | sorry, my bad | 06:23 |
| UtopiahGHML | well you mistake made me discover another competitor so it's good, ty :) | 06:24 |
| kanzure_ | aha | 06:24 |
| kanzure_ | here we go | 06:24 |
| kanzure_ | http;//ideonomy.mit.edu/gunkel.html | 06:24 |
| UtopiahGHML | ideanomics.com seems to be just a communication portal for Knowligent "IP Management Software" (hence their interests on patents) | 06:25 |
| kanzure_ | blah! see my mit.edu link | 06:25 |
| UtopiahGHML | "Patrick Gunkel Is An Idea Man Who Thinks in Lists" | 06:28 |
| UtopiahGHML | sounds like a Lisp addict | 06:28 |
| UtopiahGHML | (which is a good start actually) | 06:28 |
| UtopiahGHML | sounds a lot like Smart World by Richard Ogle | 06:29 |
| kanzure_ | Thinking in lists has its downfalls .. http://heybryan.org/todo.html I too was trapped in lists for many years. | 06:29 |
| UtopiahGHML | but going very well my personal view of creativity as evo algo/evo epistemology though : "the science of the laws of ideas and of the application of such laws to the generation of all possible ideas in connection with any subject, idea or thing." | 06:30 |
| UtopiahGHML | what do you have now, a todo network? | 06:30 |
| kanzure_ | hah :) | 06:31 |
| kanzure_ | no, I call it 'virtual productivity' | 06:31 |
| kanzure_ | things get done without my actually doing them | 06:31 |
| wrldpc | heh | 06:31 |
| wrldpc | wuwei | 06:31 |
| kanzure_ | ? | 06:31 |
| UtopiahGHML | "Just dream it" kanzure's "virtual productivity" | 06:32 |
| wrldpc | do w/o doing | 06:32 |
| wrldpc | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_wei | 06:32 |
| kanzure_ | UtopiahGHML: No kidding. The other day I woke up in front of a terminal full of code that I hardly remember writing. | 06:32 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/repo/2008-10-02.pl <-- See the comments? Can /you/ understand them? :( | 06:32 |
| kanzure_ | wrldpc: Thanks for the link. :) | 06:34 |
| kanzure_ | I like it a lot. | 06:34 |
| wrldpc | no sweat | 06:34 |
| kanzure_ | I've sometimes wondered how the hell one thing can be 'harder' than any other thing. | 06:34 |
| kanzure_ | So this natural 'movement' is the only thing that makes sense to me. | 06:34 |
| wrldpc | spooky action at a distance, eh? | 06:34 |
| kanzure_ | Not quite. | 06:34 |
| kanzure_ | I mean quite literally, how is it that people know when something is 'hard' and when it is not hard? Does the universe start going into overclocking mode? I doubt it. | 06:35 |
| wrldpc | prolly already as OC'd as it can be, eh? | 06:35 |
| wrldpc | o'clocked | 06:35 |
| kanzure_ | nah, it has blackhole cooling | 06:35 |
| UtopiahGHML | kanzure_: yep I understand what you mean, usually I call it "just do it" I don't overplan and just FUCKING do it then I check the next day and... wtf it's done ! :P | 06:36 |
| wrldpc | mm | 06:36 |
| kanzure_ | UtopiahGHML: Ah, but I am a victim of overplanning, no matter how much I'd like it to be otherwise. | 06:36 |
| kanzure_ | todo.html is clearly an example of that. | 06:36 |
| kanzure_ | (I stopped when I lost a year or two worth of data in that system.) | 06:36 |
| UtopiahGHML | you might have a look at decision under uncertainty and research in the military field | 06:37 |
| kanzure_ | I would spend one, even two hours a day in overhead processing | 06:37 |
| UtopiahGHML | haha data lost is totally what makes you optimize :D | 06:37 |
| kanzure_ | I was talking with Gunkel about his ideonomy work, and he too was doing tons of overhead. I'm surprised it didn't kill him. | 06:37 |
| UtopiahGHML | I love harddrive crashes | 06:37 |
| kanzure_ | wtf? | 06:37 |
| UtopiahGHML | really | 06:37 |
| wrldpc | I had an argument with a Chinese shop-keeper online today. | 06:37 |
| kanzure_ | wrldpc: yeah? | 06:37 |
| UtopiahGHML | you have to become independant from your data and tools thus data crashes are healthy, you start by good basis and ONLY what really matters | 06:38 |
| wrldpc | "Benny | 06:38 |
| wrldpc | 12:00 AM | 06:38 |
| wrldpc | MONEY IS NOT THE SUPREME VALUE OF THE WORLD, YUAN." | 06:38 |
| kanzure_ | UtopiahGHML: My point though is that there are certain tricks that you can start to employ so that you don't have to always be there to make schedules happen and so on. http://austinbrains.org/ I'm feeding my event optimizer from an ICS distributed from the university and local news sources. No more overhead with my typing. | 06:38 |
| wrldpc | Yuan: "yeah. u are right.but the knowledge isnt just studied on the book." | 06:38 |
| kanzure_ | just studied on the book? | 06:38 |
| wrldpc | heh | 06:38 |
| kanzure_ | what else is there but the narrative? | 06:38 |
| wrldpc | mm | 06:38 |
| wrldpc | I'm trying to encourage him to go back to school and study science .. | 06:39 |
| wrldpc | Trying to drill home the fact: knowledge>money | 06:40 |
| kanzure_ | I'm not sure that is possible past a certain age ;-) | 06:40 |
| wrldpc | mm | 06:40 |
| kanzure_ | Case and point .. my brother. | 06:40 |
| wrldpc | old dogs new tricks? | 06:40 |
| wrldpc | oh :( | 06:40 |
| UtopiahGHML | ask him to be him a brain and pre-activated happyness neurons and to pay cash | 06:40 |
| kanzure_ | money is like dualism, except this time the philosophers are beating the shit out of you | 06:41 |
| kanzure_ | and they wear hoods and call themselves economists. | 06:41 |
| wrldpc | Knowledge>money | 06:42 |
| wrldpc | every time | 06:42 |
| wrldpc | data is the omega | 06:42 |
| wrldpc | the final unit of value | 06:43 |
| wrldpc | anyway | 06:43 |
| kanzure_ | wrldpc: He's been so far gone for so long. Even when he was young .. even in the video games, instead of playing he would rather sit back and watch somebody collect coins and count how many they have. Even when playing with other children. And even in his day to day interactions now. | 06:43 |
| UtopiahGHML | but your friend is right in the sense that aquiring knowledge requires resources thus money in a form or another | 06:43 |
| kanzure_ | "thus money" what? | 06:43 |
| kanzure_ | Ramanujan had no money. | 06:44 |
| UtopiahGHML | money is an abstraction of resources | 06:44 |
| kanzure_ | And he reconstructed the entirety of European mathematics with a single hand. | 06:44 |
| UtopiahGHML | you can trade an apple for meat with money, it's just available resoruces | 06:44 |
| UtopiahGHML | so he had sufficiant resources | 06:44 |
| kanzure_ | What the hell are you on about? | 06:44 |
| kanzure_ | I'm going to sleep. | 06:45 |
| wrldpc | night | 06:45 |
| UtopiahGHML | night | 06:45 |
| wrldpc | quid pro quo, right utopia? | 06:45 |
| wrldpc | this for that | 06:45 |
| wrldpc | I was trying to tell my friend Yuan here that the future has no need for businessmen. | 06:46 |
| wrldpc | What we need are scientists and artists ... you could say just scientists actually. | 06:46 |
| wrldpc | youtube.com/thecarruths | 06:47 |
| wrldpc | http://youtube.com/thecarruths | 06:47 |
| UtopiahGHML | I value money less than most people | 06:47 |
| UtopiahGHML | but since now I have no resources | 06:48 |
| UtopiahGHML | beside my knowledge | 06:48 |
| UtopiahGHML | I... | 06:48 |
| UtopiahGHML | need to... | 06:48 |
| UtopiahGHML | find a solution :P | 06:48 |
| wrldpc | i understand your predicament. | 07:00 |
| wrldpc | nanoreplication will solve all of our problems. | 07:00 |
| UtopiahGHML | wrldpc: are you think about money counterfeiting ? :P | 07:04 |
| wrldpc | yes, quite frankly. | 07:04 |
| wrldpc | but not as it regards nanoreplication. | 07:04 |
| UtopiahGHML | never thought about nanorep like that | 07:05 |
| UtopiahGHML | oh ok | 07:05 |
| wrldpc | Why bother nanofeiting paper money when you can create whatever your heart desires? :) | 07:05 |
| UtopiahGHML | oh, that's why I never thougt about nanorep money before :P | 07:06 |
| wrldpc | :) | 07:06 |
| wrldpc | But yes ... the knowledge of how to print/mint/coin money is worth more than the money itself. | 07:06 |
| wrldpc | I am very interested in this procedure. | 07:06 |
| splicer | chomsky often talks about how private corporations have a businessmodel where they tap into tax money. That's a time honored tradition I think + the laws are actually set up to protect you. | 08:00 |
| splicer | why print money if there is a sream to tap into | 08:01 |
| UtopiahGHML | splicer: it's part of the game, a government does not direct you by giving order (some government at least?) but "orients" you by high tax/tax cuts. Since we all have an economical incentive we tend to do what the government wants us to go. | 08:09 |
| UtopiahGHML | \wants us to do\ | 08:10 |
| splicer | It seems to me chomsky is right, there are two lanes. In one you are protected, If you fuck up you are bailed out. If there is a war you don't go. And then there is the other lane where there is 'tough love'. Better to be in the first lane. | 08:13 |
| splicer | Funny thing is I think it is this way because of biological harwireing. What chomsky calls 'Looking out for number one', that is protecting and obeying whoever is in charge - May very well have made evolutionery sence. | 08:18 |
| splicer | (biopunk) | 08:23 |
| wrldpc | http://www.ustream.tv/channel/sunday-evening-update | 09:40 |
| kanzure_ | Hrm, I should probably set up some WSDL on my own server for stuff other than HTTP. | 12:36 |
| kanzure_ | You know, with the business bullshit I posted to the openmanufacturing mailing list, it's possible to just automatically generate a business, turnkey and such. Then you sit and wait for deals. Hiccups in supply chains and such, where you swoosh in to the rescue, but only if you already have connectivity to the big players. (connecting various deals) | 12:37 |
| kanzure_ | It's not much more than a few wget's in the end :/ | 12:37 |
| --- Log closed Mon Oct 06 12:50:37 2008 | ||
| --- Log opened Mon Oct 06 12:56:44 2008 | ||
| -!- Irssi: #hplusroadmap: Total of 17 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal] | 12:56 | |
| -!- Irssi: Join to #hplusroadmap was synced in 54 secs | 12:57 | |
| fenn | lots of talk but light on details: http://www.freeformconstruction.co.uk/ | 13:09 |
| -!- You're now known as bkero | 14:33 | |
| faceface | kanzure, about that hypothetial torrent link... what would the hypothetical url be? | 14:56 |
| nsh | btw guys, how're the polymerase hacking ideas coming along? | 14:57 |
| faceface | nsh, any overview? | 14:57 |
| * nsh never quite groked the idea in any detail | 14:58 | |
| bkero | lol | 14:58 |
| nsh | something like, make DNA polymerase programmable by LASARS YAY | 14:58 |
| faceface | isn't that a redundancy? | 14:58 |
| * nsh smiles | 14:58 | |
| faceface | nsh, cool | 14:58 |
| faceface | that was how I (only just!) understood it too | 14:59 |
| faceface | I'd rather feed it ntps one at a time | 14:59 |
| nsh | kanzure, fix ur server plskthx | 14:59 |
| nsh | mmm | 14:59 |
| faceface | and somehow allow it only to add one ... | 14:59 |
| -!- Irssi: #hplusroadmap: Total of 15 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal] | 14:59 | |
| * bkero grins | 15:00 | |
| nsh | i'd rather use electrodynamic stimulation to simulate a template molecule | 15:00 |
| nsh | using complex water structure manipulation | 15:00 |
| nsh | ie, MAGIC | 15:00 |
| faceface | btw, an idea has been driving me crazy since a trib to the dump yesterday (where I saw a skip full of washing mahchines and microwaves) | 15:00 |
| nsh | go on | 15:00 |
| faceface | nsh, but my suggestion is not so magic | 15:00 |
| faceface | oh, well you know those pictures of plasma in the microwave? | 15:00 |
| nsh | it's ok, you can always add a MAGIC step | 15:01 |
| * nsh nods | 15:01 | |
| faceface | (moving pictures) | 15:01 |
| * nsh checks teh 'tubes | 15:01 | |
| faceface | lets use the motor from a washing machine to create a powerfull vortex, then focus the microwave source onto the base of the vortex | 15:01 |
| bkero | Try putting splitting grapes vertically, facing both sides down, and tossing it in a microwave. You get a nice big plasma arc. | 15:01 |
| faceface | splitting grapes? | 15:01 |
| nsh | one sec, checking reactions | 15:02 |
| bkero | Cut grapes in half, vertically | 15:02 |
| faceface | so the vortex contains the plasma... | 15:02 |
| faceface | I'm not sure if this would work, or if it did what it would be good for... | 15:02 |
| faceface | but like, you could throw garbage in it and watch it get eaten by the plasma vortex | 15:03 |
| bkero | Microwaves are very very useful salvage bits. | 15:03 |
| bkero | They probably have the biggest capacitors you've ever seen on them. | 15:03 |
| faceface | bkero, that is what I was thinking... and there were like 6 of them... | 15:03 |
| faceface | I just wanted something to do with them... | 15:03 |
| bkero | Get the caps | 15:04 |
| faceface | i.e. fit teh source into a parabolic reflector to focus the beam of like 4, then generate a ball of plama... then contain the ball in a vortex of air | 15:04 |
| bkero | Make a huge badass welder. | 15:04 |
| faceface | caps?... coool! | 15:04 |
| bkero | With 6 of them you could pull enough amps to weld car frames. Seriously. | 15:04 |
| faceface | nice... but I'd not volenteer to hold the metal... | 15:05 |
| bkero | You could make it into a badass plasma cutter too | 15:05 |
| faceface | plasma cutter? | 15:05 |
| bkero | Haha you have no idea of the ghetto shit I'm capable of. | 15:05 |
| bkero | Yea. Welders that powerful also act like cutters on thinner metal. | 15:05 |
| faceface | bkero, microwaves are the new lazer... | 15:05 |
| faceface | why the word plasma? | 15:05 |
| * bkero has a 35mw laser. It's evil stuff. Although I'd like to get a green one. | 15:05 | |
| bkero | Pulled it out of a DVDRW | 15:06 |
| faceface | bkero, on the internets I have seen quite large balls of plasma ... the problem is that the microwave oven overheats and explodes after like 8 seconds | 15:06 |
| faceface | do you think a vortex could be used to contain the plasma, or would it just dissipate too quikly? | 15:07 |
| bkero | A vortex? | 15:07 |
| faceface | a cyclone... | 15:08 |
| faceface | like in the dyson ;-) | 15:08 |
| faceface | only generated using a big fan | 15:08 |
| bkero | Plasma is a gas, not a fluid. Can you vortex it? | 15:08 |
| faceface | sure | 15:08 |
| faceface | I think | 15:08 |
| bkero | I think that in a regular atmosphere the plasma would dissipate itself too quickly. | 15:09 |
| nsh | you could use only a grill to prevent microwave leakage | 15:09 |
| bkero | Or rather equalize out the ion imbalance | 15:09 |
| nsh | which would give you more leeway to manipulate the air flow from outside the containment chamber | 15:09 |
| nsh | hence not having it in an airtight chamber, bkero | 15:09 |
| nsh | but i wonder | 15:10 |
| bkero | You'd need it in an environment of inert gasses. | 15:10 |
| nsh | how stable a vortex would be in the presence of the high temperature plasma | 15:10 |
| faceface | agh! ff crashed gnome again. | 15:10 |
| nsh | the gas expansion would probably cause some problems | 15:10 |
| faceface | I was searching for a picture | 15:10 |
| faceface | nsh, yeah, it would rise like a bastard | 15:11 |
| * nsh nods | 15:11 | |
| bkero | Can't be that bad. | 15:11 |
| bkero | What's really bad is trying to compress evaporated nitrogen | 15:11 |
| faceface | but I figure if the beams from the microwaves were focused at the base... | 15:11 |
| faceface | evaporated nitrogen? | 15:11 |
| bkero | Unrelated | 15:11 |
| bkero | I'm confused, does the microwave generate the plasma? | 15:12 |
| faceface | bkero, have you seen the movies? | 15:12 |
| bkero | Microwaves strictly operate at 2.5GHz, all they do is resonate water. | 15:12 |
| bkero | Apparently not. | 15:12 |
| faceface | 10 insanly dumb things to do with a microwave | 15:12 |
| faceface | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=A7RFyh5ABcQ | 15:13 |
| faceface | christ there running that a long time! | 15:13 |
| nsh | once the gas is plasmised, it continues to absorb energy from the microwaves through eddy currents | 15:14 |
| faceface | baby | 15:15 |
| faceface | that how the sun works btw | 15:15 |
| faceface | everyone is on about fission, but thats wrong | 15:15 |
| faceface | I just love the idea of plasma! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ADzAz4xVVes | 15:17 |
| nsh | hmm? | 15:17 |
| faceface | nsh, you prolly thought the sun was a fission reactor yes? | 15:19 |
| nsh | *fusion? | 15:19 |
| faceface | uh... oh yea ;-) | 15:19 |
| nsh | yeah, i've always been in two minds | 15:19 |
| faceface | its actually electric | 15:19 |
| nsh | i'm reasonably sure most of the energy actually comes from gravitational condensation | 15:20 |
| faceface | you mean like solar rain? | 15:20 |
| nsh | no i mean that more of the radiated energy is originally momentum from the collapsing matter | 15:21 |
| nsh | here: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/astro/gravc.html | 15:22 |
| faceface | I see | 15:22 |
| nsh | but anyway, go on | 15:23 |
| nsh | how do you mean the reactor is electric? | 15:23 |
| fenn | plasma is not a gas. duh. | 15:27 |
| bkero | Plasma is just plasma. | 15:27 |
| fenn | when a plasma is spun around in a vortex it generates a magnetic field which constricts the plasma. there's a positive feedback loop and you get a very tight string-like vortex | 15:27 |
| fenn | this is how tornadoes work | 15:28 |
| fenn | and plasma cutters | 15:28 |
| fenn | i dont see wtf washing machine has to do with anything though | 15:28 |
| bkero | Washing machines have a fixed speed AC motor | 15:29 |
| fenn | omgwtfbbq | 15:54 |
| fenn | "I once developed a concept for real- | 15:54 |
| fenn | world functional architecture based on earth-bermed ferro-cement | 15:54 |
| fenn | pavilion structures from a deconstruction of fearie lore for a | 15:54 |
| fenn | community called Lothlorian in, if memory serves, Indiana." | 15:54 |
| nsh | bermed? | 15:56 |
| fenn | and i just lived with the guy who de-constructed all that stuff after terry kok moved out | 15:56 |
| fenn | world closing in on me.. too small... | 15:57 |
| faceface | nsh, sorry, I got distracted | 15:57 |
| fenn | earth-berm is a fancy term for big pile of dirt | 15:57 |
| nsh | who's terry kok, fenn? | 15:57 |
| faceface | nsh, google 'electric sun' | 15:57 |
| nsh | ah, ok | 15:57 |
| faceface | fenn, coool! | 15:57 |
| faceface | I didn't realize that strange things would happen when I spun the plasma | 15:58 |
| nsh | sounds pseudorific, faceface :-) | 15:58 |
| faceface | yeah | 15:58 |
| * nsh once started reading an e-book on the electric universe 'theory' | 15:58 | |
| nsh | was interesting | 15:58 |
| fenn | terry kok is an ex-nasa contractor who decided to "go it alone" and make his own closed environment life support system | 15:58 |
| faceface | what shape would my spinning plasma vortex take? | 15:59 |
| nsh | oh, cool | 15:59 |
| faceface | could I use it to ... | 15:59 |
| fenn | there was some political crap that went down in lothlorien and he left.. i guess he's working on biostar II now | 15:59 |
| faceface | I have no idea what this could be good for... | 15:59 |
| kanzure___ | Huh. Apparently for my http://heybryan.org/2008-08-15.html stuff, you only really need to make sure that you're doing stimulation at ridiculously high frequencies with short amplitudes, and beyond that it doesn't really matter how many volts you're sending into the neurons. | 16:08 |
| kanzure___ | Also, annoyingly, when I mentioned Ed Boyden, Dr. Mauk, my cerebellum, said that he was on Ed's thesis advisory committee. | 16:09 |
| kanzure___ | I keep forgetting that when it comes to name dropping, professors are going to have me beat. | 16:10 |
| kanzure___ | nsh: is my damn server broken again? | 16:10 |
| nsh | apparantly | 16:10 |
| kanzure___ | Dan: re that hypothetical torrent link, you'll have to wait until I get back at my dorm so that I can go yell at someone who I've been uploading it to at a shockingly slow rate .. he'll start torrenting it, he has ridiculous pipes and so on, and I trust him since he's a paranoid security freak :) | 16:11 |
| kanzure___ | as for the retarded laser-programmable polymerase stuff - there's designs for the first half experiment where polymerase can be selected to write only A's, but it's kind of tedious and would require some grants probably, the second part of the polymerase hacking where you try to combine the selective polymerase-writers, well, that's still up in the air but I think preliminarily you could do some simulations to show that it may or may not | 16:12 |
| kanzure___ | bkero: Re: splitting grapes :) I do that all the time when I eat them. heh' | 16:13 |
| * kanzure___ wonders why he doesn't have arc discharge from his hands after doing so | 16:13 | |
| bkero | microwave is a critical component :P | 16:13 |
| wrldpc | Did anyone catch the date Intel says the singularity will occur? 2035 or something? 2038? | 16:15 |
| bkero | Don't believe anything intel says | 16:15 |
| wrldpc | heh | 16:15 |
| wrldpc | ok | 16:16 |
| bkero | Listen to Kurzweil | 16:16 |
| bkero | also check out MIPS per mass | 16:16 |
| bkero | Like 1 MIPS/gram | 16:16 |
| wrldpc | Kurzweil and Intel are joining together for the Sing Summit on the 25th in San Jose O.o | 16:16 |
| bkero | I guess that would be weight :P | 16:16 |
| wrldpc | That's not instructions per second, right? | 16:17 |
| bkero | Million instructions per second. | 16:17 |
| wrldpc | I thought it was like microprocessor w/o interlinking pipe stages or something | 16:18 |
| wrldpc | solid state architecture? | 16:18 |
| bkero | MIPS is also a little endian architecture. It's really outdated by now. | 16:18 |
| bkero | It was used by a lot of SGI stuff. | 16:18 |
| wrldpc | oh | 16:18 |
| wrldpc | yeah! | 16:18 |
| bkero | Sme acronym between two things. | 16:18 |
| wrldpc | Do you believe the technological singularity has already occurred? | 16:19 |
| kanzure___ | ATTN: SINGULARITY SCHEDULED FOR 3 PM E.T. PLEASE REMAIN HUMAN. | 16:19 |
| wrldpc | acronym-sharing confuses my brain :) | 16:19 |
| bkero | For a certain view it was already achieved with humanity. | 16:19 |
| wrldpc | LOL Bryan! You stay in Sunday Evening Update :) | 16:20 |
| kanzure___ | yeah :) | 16:20 |
| wrldpc | What I'm saying is if a vastly intelligent non-biological entity did exist how would you know? bleh bleh bleh | 16:20 |
| kanzure___ | I'm not in there at the moment though. I'm on a different box. | 16:20 |
| wrldpc | cool! | 16:20 |
| kanzure___ | wrldpc: You have to be careful here. | 16:20 |
| kanzure___ | There are many people claiming that 'singularity' just means intelligence explosion. | 16:20 |
| kanzure___ | But there's other factors that lead to the same sort of singularity | 16:20 |
| kanzure___ | like self-replication ;-) | 16:20 |
| wrldpc | I like how they keep the programming going. I've embedded the player on my myspace to try and increase exposure to the memez. | 16:21 |
| kanzure___ | "they" = Mind | 16:21 |
| nsh | what player? | 16:21 |
| kanzure___ | I just sit on the IRC channel, I don't watch the stream | 16:21 |
| wrldpc | Do you think that the construction of AI is just metaphor for the conception of children? | 16:21 |
| bkero | kanzure___: How wouldn't humans fit under the guise of achieved singularity? | 16:21 |
| kanzure___ | wrldpc: Somewhat, but whatever. | 16:21 |
| kanzure___ | bkero: What? Restate? | 16:21 |
| wrldpc | I asked a woman this ... she said something to the effect of "similar yes .." | 16:21 |
| kanzure___ | wrldpc: Somewhat because .. many parents already try to be 'strict' with their 'Ai children' and those children /still/ rebel. | 16:22 |
| kanzure___ | teenage rebellion rawr | 16:22 |
| kanzure___ | "Get back here you pesky kids!" | 16:22 |
| bkero | kanzure___: Some say that singularity was achieved with the dawn of humanity. | 16:22 |
| kanzure___ | bkero: Okay. | 16:22 |
| wrldpc | mm | 16:22 |
| kanzure___ | I try not to focus on the term too much because it's been hijacked so many times and it's being used by a cult and everything. | 16:22 |
| wrldpc | some say humanity ended in 1936. | 16:22 |
| kanzure___ | what's humanity? | 16:23 |
| wrldpc | lol the singularity cult. | 16:23 |
| wrldpc | srsly | 16:23 |
| kanzure___ | Anissimov, for instance, is very adament about killing anybody who doesn't think that the singularity is "For intelligence only!" | 16:23 |
| bkero | Humanity or mankind is the human species, human nature (e.g.compassion, altruism) and the human condition (the totality of experience of existing as a human). It is also the study of one branch of the humanities, academic disciplines which study the human condition using analytic, critical, or speculative methods. | 16:23 |
| kanzure___ | I doubt that humanity is just the sum total of 'intelligence' .. | 16:23 |
| kanzure___ | 'Human condition' I can understand -- the same problems I see are the same ones you have, yadda yadda | 16:24 |
| kanzure___ | but whatever. | 16:24 |
| kanzure___ | What are we talking about? | 16:24 |
| wrldpc | LOL | 16:24 |
| wrldpc | exactly | 16:24 |
| kanzure___ | Are you hgih? | 16:27 |
| kanzure___ | *high | 16:27 |
| fenn | why do you have multiple IRC logins kanzure? you use irssi so using screen should be straightforward | 16:27 |
| fenn | or am i wrong about the irssi part | 16:27 |
| fenn | nevermind it's pidgin right | 16:28 |
| kanzure___ | laptop has pidgin | 16:28 |
| kanzure___ | server has irssi | 16:28 |
| kanzure___ | lab has irssi | 16:28 |
| kanzure___ | am I missing something? | 16:28 |
| fenn | you can run one irssi session/login and view it on many computers with screen | 16:29 |
| kanzure___ | is this in man? | 16:30 |
| fenn | or any terminal-based app.. irssi is just the first one i could stand | 16:31 |
| bkero | Yea dude | 16:31 |
| bkero | Just use screen | 16:31 |
| bkero | Then ssh in and connect from anywhere. | 16:31 |
| ybit | screen is the shiz | 16:32 |
| fenn | ah yes i forgot to mention ssh | 16:32 |
| ybit | each computer i'm at, if i start to download a linux distro, the internet suddenly stops working :| | 16:32 |
| fenn | ybit: are you on DSL? | 16:33 |
| ybit | (at the uni. labs) t1 | 16:33 |
| bkero | A t1? Seriously? | 16:33 |
| fenn | hm. good luck | 16:33 |
| bkero | That blows hARD | 16:33 |
| ybit | indeed | 16:33 |
| bkero | 1.5MB is bullshit | 16:33 |
| ybit | anyway, if i'm away in the next hour or so, that's the reason | 16:34 |
| ybit | need to put a linux distro on my thumb drive | 16:34 |
| ybit | maybe i should use damn small or puppy, something really small | 16:34 |
| ybit | so i can use the internet while it downloads and so that it will finish downloading | 16:35 |
| bkero | rate limit it | 16:35 |
| ybit | ah | 16:35 |
| wrldpc | transfer rates suck in general, | 16:37 |
| bkero | Use wget | 16:37 |
| wrldpc | all this rate limiting, capping BS is teh suck. | 16:37 |
| wrldpc | TEXT MESSAGING costs $1,000 a MEGABYTE. ::freaks out:: | 16:38 |
| fenn | damn small is much better than puppy fwiw | 16:38 |
| wrldpc | ::throws things:: | 16:38 |
| fenn | wrldpc: uh, use twitter or irc instead? | 16:38 |
| wrldpc | heh | 16:39 |
| wrldpc | 90% of my friends don't even know what IRC is :( | 16:39 |
| fenn | of course cellphones are a parasitic organism feeding on ignorance | 16:39 |
| fenn | what do you expect? | 16:39 |
| bkero | I use IRC on my phone :) | 16:40 |
| wrldpc | *boinks the cellphones* | 16:40 |
| bkero | terminal + ssh + screen | 16:40 |
| fenn | bkero: what does your internet connection cost? | 16:40 |
| bkero | $31/month for my cell phone bill | 16:40 |
| bkero | unlimited data | 16:40 |
| bkero | ENough text messages | 16:40 |
| fenn | how unlimited is unlimited? and what's the bandwidth? | 16:41 |
| fenn | and can i get a phone without all that pesky voice stuff? | 16:41 |
| kanzure___ | wrldpc: AIM used to have a gateway to (some) cellphones for SMS/text-messaging | 16:41 |
| bkero | I can get 25k/sec down. I could do that all month and only do a couple gigs. | 16:41 |
| kanzure___ | TOC/OSCAR stuff | 16:41 |
| kanzure___ | bkero: wtf, what plan is that? | 16:42 |
| kanzure___ | I rarely see unlimited data plans | 16:42 |
| fenn | 25kB right? that's 65GB | 16:42 |
| bkero | kanzure___: AT&T iPhone plan ;) | 16:42 |
| * kanzure___ is always jealous of blackberry users etc. | 16:42 | |
| kanzure___ | iPhone, bah | 16:42 |
| bkero | What's wrong with my iPhone? :P | 16:42 |
| fenn | patents | 16:42 |
| bkero | Is there any patents on it besides a multitouch implementation? | 16:42 |
| fenn | touchscreen and user interface patents.. i dont know the details | 16:43 |
| bkero | lol | 16:43 |
| bkero | ALmost every device you use has a bunch of patents. | 16:43 |
| fenn | i really just want a modem for my wearable | 16:43 |
| fenn | bkero: yes i know. you asked | 16:43 |
| bkero | I tether with my iPhone. :P | 16:44 |
| bkero | It's how I've gotten internet access at home for the last week. | 16:44 |
| * fenn wonders about satellite phone modem | 16:45 | |
| fenn | uf $800 is "cheap" | 16:46 |
| * fenn stomps on reagan's grave | 16:46 | |
| kanzure___ | yay for octoindicial MySQL queries! | 16:50 |
| kanzure___ | I wonder if I should have done some calculations first to see whether or not this will take infinity | 16:51 |
| kanzure___ | SELECT m.name, q.ArtifactName FROM `flows` AS j, `flow` AS k, `possibleflow_thingies` AS m, `subfunctions` AS n, `subfunction` AS o, `artifacts` AS p, `artifact` AS q WHERE j.subfunctionsID = n.ID AND n.subfunctionID = o.ID AND o.SubInputArtifact = p.ID AND p.artifactID = q.ID AND j.flowID = k.ID AND k.FloInputFlow = m.ID OR k.FloOutputFlow = m.ID | 16:52 |
| kanzure___ | could probably stand to get rid of the last 'OR' unless I want to do an 'OR' near the mention of SubInputArtifact | 16:52 |
| ybit | i send off for an interlibrary loan and this is what i get: http://filebin.ca/danpg | 20:06 |
| ybit | wtf, right? right. | 20:08 |
| ybit | i was expecting a higher resolution image and an actual paper, seems to be just the same info released on the net + a few references | 20:12 |
| nsh | this is why you don't ask for information | 20:15 |
| nsh | people are too stupid to fulfil simple requests | 20:15 |
| splicer | it struck me one day that I could probably fit the text of all books in my citys library in my mobie phone. | 20:16 |
| splicer | (mobile) | 20:17 |
| splicer | rrrreally looking forwards to an affordable, reasonably large and fast e-reader. | 20:19 |
| splicer | The day those can be bought for 100$... dead tree books and libraries die. | 20:21 |
| splicer | (I give them 3-5 years to live) | 20:22 |
| fenn | september 2008 and you get a black and white scan? | 21:24 |
| nsh | haven't you been paying attention? it's october 2004 again today | 21:37 |
| nsh | tommorow, i expect we'll be around november 2001 | 21:37 |
| ybit | nope, nsh, it's 2008. i suspect your clock is set to Alabama time | 22:06 |
| ybit | clock/calendar | 22:06 |
| nsh | unfortunately, i was using Dow Jones Industrial Average Time | 22:08 |
| kanzure_ | machine shop certification was just "how to not be stupid with a mill" and "how to not kill yourself with a lathe" | 22:18 |
| kanzure_ | of course, me being me, I accidentally killed a guy with a boring tool for the mill :/ oh well | 22:19 |
| kanzure_ | or something like that | 22:19 |
| kanzure | MPML (the Minor Planet Mailing List | 22:23 |
| kanzure | at groups.yahoo.com/group/mpml/) | 22:23 |
| kanzure | personally I'm kind of surprised about that neuron stuff from earlier today. just wire up a 555 timer or something. get the stimulation frequency up to a few thousand times a second and nobody cares how much voltage you're using. | 22:29 |
| kanzure | so that sounds moderately doable if I can go find some pcb to etch into. | 22:30 |
| kanzure | disregarding the actual neural tissue cultures of course. | 22:30 |
| fenn | just get an arduino, you won't regret it | 22:33 |
| kanzure_ | I probably should have a stack of them anyway | 22:34 |
| ybit | heh " And even if you're literally the best in the world, there are still electron orbitals above yours - they're just unoccupied. " | 23:37 |
| kanzure | Too true. | 23:42 |
| kanzure | It is very, very hard to jump the islands of stability. | 23:42 |
| kanzure_ | ybit: Reminds me of http://heybryan.org/quotes.html#danger | 23:56 |
| kanzure_ | And if that percent fellow ever shows up again, the second following quote re: testosterone. | 23:58 |
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