| --- Day changed Fri Oct 17 2008 | ||
| kanzure_ | Still blocked. | 01:00 |
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| kanzure_ | You know, this is an amazingly awesome time for a panic attack. | 01:01 |
| kanzure_ | ping ping ping | 01:22 |
| bkero | pong pong pong | 01:23 |
| * kanzure_ is relieved. | 01:24 | |
| kanzure_ | Okay. This is too retarded. How do I go about wiring up my box as a router, again? I have multiple ethernet cards, what's the second step? | 01:26 |
| bkero | ip forward | 01:29 |
| bkero | bridge-utils? | 01:29 |
| kanzure_ | Bridge-utils sounds familiar. | 01:30 |
| kanzure_ | I had this sort of setup running in 2004. Wish I could remember. | 01:30 |
| * bkero goes home. | 01:30 | |
| kanzure_ | Actually, it was also on this machine, so the software's probably still laying around here somewhere. Just need the magic names. | 01:30 |
| kanzure_ | http://bridge.sf.net/ | 01:32 |
| drazak | bridge sucks | 01:50 |
| drazak | fyi | 01:50 |
| drazak | it's a bad way to do things, but that's my opinion | 01:51 |
| drazak | imo you should get a hardware router, there's like 3 good reasons behind it | 01:51 |
| fenn | i think you just use iptables | 01:58 |
| fenn | "just" | 01:58 |
| willPow3r | bridges work fine | 02:30 |
| gene | hey guys check it out | 03:39 |
| gene | transhumanism's getting a magazine! | 03:39 |
| gene | http://www.boingboing.net/2008/10/16/new-online-magazine.html | 03:39 |
| fenn | u too slow | 03:40 |
| gene | now we look more like a cult than ever! | 03:41 |
| gene | or some pop-vanity movement | 03:41 |
| fenn | yay WTA! i mean, yay humanity+! | 03:42 |
| fenn | just once i'd like to see a 3d rendered male on a magazine cover | 03:43 |
| fenn | preferably not a soldier | 03:43 |
| willPow3r | information moves too fast for a print magazine. | 04:38 |
| willPow3r | it wont last | 04:38 |
| willPow3r | not to mention the fact that the editor doesn't even use his real name. R.U. Sirius? so fucking lame | 04:39 |
| willPow3r | compounding that with the blatant promotion of 2nd life, as if thats the future of humanity (it isn't) | 04:40 |
| willPow3r | the problem with gathering people who loosely share the same concept of the future behind one voice is that you end up with ONE FUCKING VOICE | 04:42 |
| willPow3r | and a cultish following ensues, much as is happening to this "singularitarian" idealism | 04:43 |
| fenn | i think R.U. Sirius is his real name | 04:43 |
| fenn | at least it's not just an internet handle | 04:44 |
| willPow3r | nope, his real name is Ken Goffman | 04:44 |
| fenn | why dont you ask him? | 04:45 |
| willPow3r | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._U._Sirius | 04:45 |
| willPow3r | at least he appears to have some street cred, at least amongst the very left mainstream media | 04:46 |
| willPow3r | too much at least | 04:46 |
| willPow3r | he's not the kind of guy i would want to endorse any movement i was a part of | 04:49 |
| fenn | because he uses a pen name? | 04:49 |
| willPow3r | no, because of his reputation | 04:50 |
| willPow3r | he comes across as a smart fellow who took way too much acid in the 90s | 04:50 |
| willPow3r | and his appeal to the "counterculture," whatever the hell that is, would imply that my movement is obviously appealing to the wrong people | 04:51 |
| fenn | all i've read was "the cyberpunk fakebook" which i thought was pretty funny | 04:52 |
| willPow3r | "According to Cyberia, Douglas Rushkoff's 1994 book about early '90s cyberculture, Sirius' girlfriend, Lady Drew, once had an abortion while on LSD." | 04:52 |
| willPow3r | i sincerely hope i'm not judging a book by its cover. or wikipedia entry. | 04:53 |
| fenn | that's sort of a weird thing to put in an article about someone anyway | 04:54 |
| willPow3r | its an article on someone's persona | 04:55 |
| willPow3r | hence the "trivia" section | 04:55 |
| fenn | it looks like his "thing" is interviewing people: http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/author/ru-sirius/ | 04:58 |
| willPow3r | i think the whole "question authority" concept has run its course. | 05:01 |
| fenn | what is that supposed to mean? | 05:02 |
| willPow3r | it doesn't really mean anything anymore, since everybody already knows the gov't is corrupt and panders to their own desires only | 05:02 |
| willPow3r | well, here in the US anyway ;) | 05:03 |
| fenn | "authority" means more than just government | 05:03 |
| willPow3r | not really. authority is the only power that can oppress people | 05:03 |
| willPow3r | and that power is gov't | 05:03 |
| willPow3r | since only people can oppress people | 05:04 |
| fenn | bullshit, authority is also doctors and universities and "experts" | 05:05 |
| willPow3r | i can choose to ignore a doctor. i can't choose to ignore a law, at least without certain consequences | 05:05 |
| willPow3r | so they aren't authority, they are experts | 05:06 |
| fenn | you're being obtuse | 05:06 |
| willPow3r | thats a relative term. you're being acute. | 05:06 |
| fenn | why, thank you | 05:06 |
| fenn | ignoring doctors isnt the same as questioning their authority | 05:07 |
| willPow3r | if you think they are giving you bad information and get a second opinion as to their diagnosis, it is | 05:07 |
| fenn | i think they're all full of shit | 05:07 |
| willPow3r | doctors? or people | 05:07 |
| fenn | but due to the legal system, there's no alternative | 05:08 |
| fenn | you can be put in jail for "practicing medicine without a license" | 05:08 |
| willPow3r | you blame the "legal system," "authority," "experts," etc. but these are all just normal people or systems of normal people | 05:08 |
| fenn | we're all just normal people | 05:08 |
| willPow3r | its humanity itself that has the problems | 05:09 |
| willPow3r | so to "question authority" is really to question your faith in humanity | 05:09 |
| fenn | blind pandering to authority is one of the problems with humanity | 05:09 |
| willPow3r | but its innate behavior | 05:10 |
| willPow3r | we're hard wired to do it | 05:10 |
| fenn | i'm not convinced | 05:11 |
| willPow3r | if you take the social structure of a pack of lions and give it a form of superorganic intelligence, the same result would follow | 05:11 |
| willPow3r | this is what happens when you mix a neocortex with a r-complex | 05:12 |
| willPow3r | social structures pandering to those in positions of power | 05:12 |
| fenn | also, your "everybody already knows the gov't is corrupt" is not true at all | 05:13 |
| willPow3r | well, that might have been a big argument to make on my part | 05:13 |
| fenn | it's only because you hang out with intelligentsia all day that you have this view | 05:13 |
| willPow3r | most people don't care | 05:13 |
| willPow3r | one way or the other really | 05:14 |
| fenn | most people don't think, they blindly follow what "experts" and other authorities tell them | 05:14 |
| willPow3r | and those who do are intelligent enough to eliminate the need for political elites | 05:14 |
| fenn | sometimes i find myself advising people on things i have no idea about, just because i sound "smart" | 05:15 |
| fenn | it's hard to question your own authority | 05:16 |
| willPow3r | hopefully you wont have to answer for bad advice you gave | 05:16 |
| fenn | well, it's their fault either way | 05:16 |
| willPow3r | lol | 05:16 |
| willPow3r | words of a republican | 05:16 |
| willPow3r | well, capitalist anyway | 05:17 |
| fenn | go ahead, call me some more names that don't even make sense | 05:17 |
| willPow3r | they do make sense | 05:17 |
| fenn | telling someone they are stupid for believing my bullshit makes me a republican/capitalist? | 05:18 |
| willPow3r | no, but saying its their fault for believing it is | 05:18 |
| fenn | if it's not their fault, whose? | 05:18 |
| willPow3r | society's fault for not giving you the education you need to be able to determine if you are right or wrong | 05:19 |
| fenn | I can't know everything | 05:19 |
| fenn | (i cant _know_ anything, for that matter) | 05:19 |
| willPow3r | thats a deeply philosophical discussion | 05:20 |
| fenn | anyway, "education" is just more authority | 05:20 |
| fenn | i'm not saying it's all wrong, but it needs to be questioned | 05:20 |
| willPow3r | only to the point where you realize that you are questioning the best that we can come up with, in the way of education | 05:20 |
| willPow3r | gov't | 05:21 |
| willPow3r | etc | 05:21 |
| fenn | it's not the best | 05:21 |
| willPow3r | it is the best | 05:21 |
| fenn | whatever, i hate talking to you, go fuck off and die | 05:21 |
| willPow3r | lol | 05:21 |
| willPow3r | irrationality ensues. | 05:21 |
| willPow3r | fuck. since when was it a bad thing to be a republican. | 05:24 |
| nsh | 1960's sometime | 05:42 |
| fenn | since lincoln | 05:43 |
| nsh | hahahah | 05:53 |
| nsh | oh man | 05:53 |
| nsh | barack is hilarious | 05:53 |
| nsh | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5SWQJWm6Tg | 05:53 |
| kanzure_ | letit be known that all things WTA suck. Thank you. | 07:44 |
| nsh | world tennis association> | 08:02 |
| nsh | ? | 08:02 |
| fenn | world transhumanist assoc | 08:03 |
| fenn | we must.. eradicate [particles of] typofuscin that are clogging the tubes | 09:22 |
| UtopiahG1ML | Emotiv EPOC featured on the Discovery Channel : The team has ten days to build a road rage proof car using biofeedback and mind-control technologies. | 09:26 |
| UtopiahG1ML | http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/prototype-this-mind-controlled-car-full-episode.html | 09:26 |
| fenn | hmm "mind controlled car" makes me think the driver would be controlling the car with his mind, not "road rage proof" | 10:17 |
| fenn | (i was just watching macross plus, where a mind-controlled jet fighter does what its pilot is thinking, regardless whether he meant it or not) | 10:18 |
| fenn | http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/macross-road-rage.avi | 10:35 |
| fenn | pardon the awful transcoding :) | 10:35 |
| UtopiahG1ML | fenn: well you can do that with the EmotivKit you just have to train a bit more on accuracy | 10:36 |
| UtopiahG1ML | for Xmas Id like : | 10:37 |
| UtopiahG1ML | an emotiv kit, a AmpedBikes kit, a large multitouch table and several solar pannels | 10:38 |
| fenn | oh man, gundam, star-wars, DBZ, and mac/win all in the same video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Efp-v2KB4No | 10:54 |
| UtopiahG1ML | so much work to do and so little motivation | 13:05 |
| UtopiahG1ML | now is the time to avoid thinking and "Just do it" (this message has been approved by Nike and Senator McCain) | 13:05 |
| kanzure_ | I'm annoyed at how blatantly commercial the "hplusmagazine" thing is. "Look! It reads your emotions for only $399!". | 13:43 |
| kanzure_ | "OMFG UPLOADING!" | 13:43 |
| UtopiahG1ML | ? | 14:04 |
| kanzure_ | Just because you can buy it doesn't mean it's what you're looking for .. | 14:09 |
| kanzure_ | Why didn't they advertise MEAs and TMS setups ?? Those are much more practical. | 14:09 |
| kanzure_1_ | http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/16/does-the-internet-boost-your-brainpower/?ei=5070 | 16:09 |
| kanzure_1_ | If Googling's good for the brain, then I must be brilliant. | 16:09 |
| * kanzure_1_ eyes his 30,000 Google queries counter .. | 16:10 | |
| nsh | round number | 16:19 |
| nsh | you should celebrate | 16:19 |
| kanzure_1_ | nsh: They caught on to me. | 16:24 |
| kanzure_1_ | I no longer have the free internets. | 16:24 |
| kanzure_1_ | Now I just have one free internet. :( | 16:25 |
| nsh | :-/ | 16:26 |
| nsh | what were you doing>? | 16:26 |
| kanzure_1_ | Taking a chem exam. | 16:27 |
| -!- mindspillage is now known as mind|reading | 17:14 | |
| kanzure_ | Server will be going down soon. | 19:05 |
| faceface | mplayer -playlist rtsp://meetstream.cshl.org:554/AtlasKeynoteGenome01/k/atlas.smi | 19:49 |
| faceface | http://leadingstrand.cshl.edu/ | 19:53 |
| faceface | I am finally able to rip the files | 19:53 |
| faceface | I think... | 19:53 |
| kanzure_ | xp_prg How's the ajax interface going? | 20:25 |
| kanzure_ | I wish I could hire the Geico caveman to do events. | 20:27 |
| bkero | You should hire the aflak duck instead. | 20:33 |
| xp_prg | kanzure_ coming along, nothing to show you yet though :( | 20:33 |
| xp_prg | I hope to some work on it this weekend | 20:33 |
| xp_prg | I made a couple of files | 20:34 |
| bkero | asynchronous javascript and xml. | 20:34 |
| xp_prg | kanzure di you say there was an e-coli image I could use? | 20:34 |
| kanzure_ | There are many ecoli images if you need to use one I guess. | 20:35 |
| kanzure_ | bkero: The duck costs a lot. :-/ Have to clean up his shit. The stone age was after we had invented the outhouse, however. | 20:36 |
| bkero | You should ask him if he rode on dinosaurs. | 20:36 |
| kanzure_ | I was just on a purple dinosaur last week, come to think of it. | 20:37 |
| bkero | I've got one in my back yard. His name is Drago. | 20:37 |
| kanzure_ | A dragon? | 20:37 |
| bkero | No | 20:38 |
| bkero | He's a triceratops | 20:38 |
| -!- Overand_ is now known as Overand | 20:42 | |
| faceface | kanzure_, I reviewed an interesting website today | 21:17 |
| faceface | http://biodbnet.abcc.ncifcrf.gov/ | 21:17 |
| faceface | you may find it usefull for id mapping | 21:17 |
| kanzure_ | id? | 21:39 |
| faceface | identifier | 21:47 |
| faceface | database that is | 22:12 |
| -!- biopunk is now known as splicer | 22:55 | |
| ybit | yo kanzure_ :: re:open-manufacturing pretty plz | 23:17 |
| ybit | btw, the modafinil i had works just fine | 23:18 |
| ybit | i was taking too low of a dosage | 23:18 |
| ybit | was at just 200-400mg, now i'm at 800mg | 23:18 |
| ybit | which is about standard | 23:18 |
| ybit | faceface: what did you get all the files from leadingstrand? | 23:21 |
| ybit | nice find, btw, with bioDBnet | 23:22 |
| ybit | fenn: why are you considerng a move to thailand? | 23:28 |
| kanzure_ | ybit: what's going on openmanufacturing at the moment? | 23:31 |
| kanzure_ | I don't have a normal interface, so it might take me a while to get to it. | 23:31 |
| ybit | sure, one sec | 23:31 |
| kanzure_ | ybit: do you want to go find the http://groups.google.com/group/openvirgle posts re: semantic mediawiki and my replies ? | 23:31 |
| kanzure_ | That would help in reply to the latest semantic mediawiki bullshit | 23:31 |
| kanzure_ | quite literally forwarding the messages to openmanufacturing would work. | 23:32 |
| kanzure_ | from the google-groups interface thingy. There was a button: 'forward' which I assume forwards. | 23:32 |
| ybit | open-manufacturing, "Manufacturing a Product...", "Re: universal production set...", "Open hardware directory part 2", "Important open design initiative" | 23:33 |
| ybit | kanzure_ :: when do you think you will be back up? | 23:34 |
| ybit | and why are you blocked from using your email? o.O | 23:34 |
| ybit | i realized you bitrate is now limited... | 23:34 |
| ybit | your* | 23:34 |
| ybit | are you using a router yet? | 23:35 |
| fenn | ybit: that's where the food is | 23:35 |
| ybit | brb, on phone | 23:35 |
| * fenn is reading buckminster fuller challenge entries and getting pissed off | 23:35 | |
| kanzure_ | fenn: I'm sure there are others like us monitoring the results of fuller's doings, or his late organization's doings, so throwing up a page ranting about it is a good idea methinks | 23:37 |
| kanzure_ | ybit: Real Soon. | 23:37 |
| ybit | back | 23:37 |
| * kanzure_ watches some Star Wars. | 23:38 | |
| * ybit turns star wars off, "not until you clean your room mister." | 23:38 | |
| kanzure_ | No router. I was going to go play with the server and throw in an ethernet card, but I got distracted. | 23:38 |
| kanzure_ | Bah, my room needs no cleaning. /me trips on a stack of books | 23:38 |
| ybit | heh, or was that an ethernet card? | 23:39 |
| fenn | kanzure_: it seems to be more about 'good old boy' mentality than anything | 23:39 |
| kanzure_ | What do you mean? "In the spirit of Bucky" ? | 23:40 |
| fenn | no, i mean people with big names get to the finals for no particular reason | 23:40 |
| ybit | anywho.. still waiting to hear your comment on trade being necessary | 23:40 |
| kanzure_ | fenn made some comments in here on that note | 23:41 |
| fenn | me? | 23:41 |
| kanzure_ | I couldn't find anything much to disagree with with fenn. | 23:41 |
| ybit | right, oki | 23:41 |
| fenn | i forget what i said.. something like "cities are located on sites that are conducive to trade" | 23:41 |
| ybit | fenn: i don't have the logs, but you essentially disagreed that trade was necessary? | 23:42 |
| kanzure_ | Oh, there was something else about trade from a while back though. | 23:42 |
| ybit | right | 23:42 |
| kanzure_ | No reason to trade when you're doing it all yourself .. unless you Just Want To. | 23:42 |
| ybit | right, but hard to do that with limited materials | 23:42 |
| ybit | that = doing it all yourself | 23:42 |
| fenn | move to where the materials are | 23:42 |
| kanzure_ | good god fenn's brilliant! | 23:43 |
| ybit | yeah, but they are dispersed all over, so that's near impossible, no? | 23:43 |
| ybit | kanzure_ :P | 23:43 |
| fenn | kanzure_: maybe i should start the fenn institute, then i can give awards to all my friends for being my friends | 23:43 |
| fenn | and we can have a big gay fuck train til the world ends | 23:43 |
| fenn | circular* | 23:43 |
| kanzure_ | why can't it be heterosexual.. | 23:44 |
| kanzure_ | Anyway, ybit: go to where the materials are. | 23:44 |
| kanzure_ | Patrick will rant about land bullshit | 23:44 |
| fenn | so anyway this thing is cool, and i'm glad someone is doing it: http://challenge.bfi.org/application_summary/66 | 23:44 |
| kanzure_ | And then I'll comment about rockets | 23:44 |
| kanzure_ | and then he'll say it's impossible | 23:44 |
| kanzure_ | and then I'll go build my damn rockets | 23:44 |
| ybit | bah, i give up, i'll worry about it later | 23:46 |
| kanzure_ | What? | 23:46 |
| ybit | i was thinking of all humanity | 23:46 |
| -!- mind|reading is now known as brain|washing | 23:46 | |
| kanzure_ | So am I? | 23:46 |
| ybit | not everyone can live in one area, right.. sigh, what am i missing here? | 23:47 |
| kanzure_ | Go on? | 23:47 |
| kanzure_ | What's missing is explosive irresponsible growth.. why would you grow Humanity if you are unsure of the materials you have available? | 23:47 |
| kanzure_ | I don't have a cure for the current predicament -- I can't be held responsible for seven or eight billion people -- I'm working on just one person first (uh, me), and maybe scaling up from there .. Maybe. | 23:48 |
| ybit | if a city is build around natural resources, then they should, in theory, not need them and be fine. i'm concerned about the city that doesn't have the resources. They need to trade or mine them somehow, right? | 23:50 |
| kanzure_ | Why did you build a city that has no materials | 23:50 |
| ybit | shit, brb, phone | 23:50 |
| kanzure_ | How did you build a city with no materials anyway? | 23:51 |
| ybit | i was thinking that, but it seems to me that question quite similar to the one i'm asking. how do you build a city with no materials? | 23:59 |
| ybit | rather, limited materials* | 23:59 |
| ybit | which is why i ask if trade is necessary | 23:59 |
| kanzure_ | You must know your limits. | 23:59 |
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