2008-10-31.log

--- Day changed Fri Oct 31 2008
kanzure_So I've lost an ssh key on the dead laptop. Any ideas?00:11
xp_prgkanzure_ is it possible to send hy3s a libsbml file or I guess it has to be a netcdf file?00:19
kanzure_Haven't checked.00:21
xp_prgya if you were going to use hy3s as a simulator and you wanted a libsbml file, I don't think that would have worked00:21
kanzure_That's not what I was going to do.00:25
xp_prgwhat were you going to do?00:26
kanzure_synbioss00:27
kanzure_(and all of the other things)00:28
xp_prgsynbioss uses netcdf though00:29
kanzure_No.00:30
xp_prgwhat does it use?00:30
kanzure_Well, it might. But it definitely uses sbml.00:30
kanzure_See the "IMPORT SBML" line in the python files.00:30
xp_prgwell what is the output of the designer, I thought it was an nc file which is a netcdf file?00:31
kanzure_There are two options for the 'designer' output: SBML and NetCDF/nc.00:31
xp_prgoh ok00:31
kanzure_Good "DIY hydrophone" stuff on the net.04:01
gene_so who here can help me with pointers in C?04:29
kanzure_What do you need help with in particular?04:33
kanzure_Whole Brain Emulation Roadmap http://www.fhi.ox.ac.uk/updates.html04:33
kanzure_https://www.scitoyscatalog.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=SC&Category_Code=R04:36
kanzure_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Crystal_oscillator_4MHz.jpg04:36
kanzure_http://www.discovercircuits.com/DJ-Circuits/parallelosc.htm04:36
ybitcontextfreeart reminds me of processing.js05:02
ybit..kind of :)05:04
percent_fags07:16
percent_fucking fags07:24
-!- percent_ changed the topic of #hplusroadmap to: fags07:24
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UtopiahGHMLkanzure_: you configure your IRC client to log the channels you want to log in 1 file, you make a script that removes everything but links, you inverse it and keep only the last N ones, you convert it to HTML and you store the result in your httpd content folder.07:45
jihaaaaaadUh07:49
jihaaaaaadCan we not do that in the IRC channel we routinely discuss what might be construed as bioterrorism in?07:49
jihaaaaaadWhat is the open source obsession with openness? 07:49
jihaaaaaadmust log and publicize all things, even my browser history!07:50
jihaaaaaadDoes that really help anyone?07:50
jihaaaaaaddoes it just show how gay you are07:50
jihaaaaaadyes07:50
jihaaaaaadyes it does07:50
UtopiahGHMLjihaaaaaad: I said his httpd rep so it doesn't have to be public, he already has the log anyway07:51
jihaaaaaadOkay, let's look at ourselves for a moment here07:51
jihaaaaaadWe like to fuck with biological things07:51
jihaaaaaadyou could say we hack them07:51
jihaaaaaadtherefore07:51
jihaaaaaadwe are biohackers07:51
jihaaaaaadAnd therefore, logging the channel is a dumb idea07:51
UtopiahGHMLI missed to see the link of direct consequence there07:52
jihaaaaaadOkay07:52
UtopiahGHMLwe are already logging the channel anyway07:52
jihaaaaaadSome dong goes and creates some superbacteria07:52
jihaaaaaadthey learn he did he using info he found on the internet07:53
UtopiahGHMLour theoretical advance isn't suppose to be juridic but technological anyway so I don't see what difference it makes.07:53
jihaaaaaadGuess who's getting a knock at their doors?07:53
jihaaaaaadThat's right07:53
jihaaaaaadyou fuckers07:53
jihaaaaaadi don't know you07:53
UtopiahGHMLwho do you think you know?07:53
jihaaaaaadThis channel has a a few serious issues07:54
jihaaaaaadFirst of all, you're all too goddamn professional. 07:54
UtopiahGHMLwhat do you propose?07:54
UtopiahGHMLmake direct proposition that will make us be more efficient, Im sure most will follow.07:54
jihaaaaaadSecond of all, this is a leaderless clusterfuck of good ideas that go nowhere for lack of encouragement or motivation07:54
jihaaaaaadthird07:55
jihaaaaaadyou are all fucking weenies 07:55
UtopiahGHMLstop the critics07:55
UtopiahGHMLmake proposals07:55
jihaaaaaadAre you afraid to misbehave? 07:55
jihaaaaaadOkay07:55
jihaaaaaadMisbehave07:55
jihaaaaaadAct out.07:55
jihaaaaaadYou're a hacker, act like one.07:55
jihaaaaaadyou do ILLEGAL THINGS07:55
jihaaaaaadwhich are BAD AND WRONG07:55
UtopiahGHMLdidn't see any proposal so far, just whining.07:55
jihaaaaaadaccept that and embrace it.07:55
jihaaaaaadokay07:55
UtopiahGHML(it's true that no logging is required to archive that...)07:55
jihaaaaaadi propose that we establish the basic tenets of privacy07:56
jihaaaaaad1) No logging. Logging = kick.07:56
UtopiahGHMLgo on07:56
jihaaaaaad2) We don't invite people who offer us nothing. Not that anyone wants to join, anyway.07:56
jihaaaaaad3) Be suspicious. Remember, what we're doing here is worse than any exploit.07:57
jihaaaaaadWe may not be actual terrorists, but it would be SO easy to vilify us.07:57
UtopiahGHMLok, how do you suggest to implement those 1+2+3 rules today?07:58
jihaaaaaad4) We need to communicate and collaborate. We should all use similar bioinformatics software. We should describe sequences in the same language.07:58
jihaaaaaad5) We need to get a mail ring going. Anonymous PO boxes, so when one idiot creates e-glow-li, he can share it with you other douchebags.07:58
jihaaaaaad6) We need to encourage people to, among us all, have a reasonably nice testing suite. I, for example, have a scanning electron microscope and shit.07:59
jihaaaaaadBuild an STM. Build an incubator. Etc.07:59
jihaaaaaadalso07:59
jihaaaaaadwe need an op07:59
jihaaaaaadJust one or two.08:00
UtopiahGHMLwhat for, how do you propose to select them?08:00
jihaaaaaadTo kick loggers, to kick feds (should they show up), and they should be selected for their presence and their tendency to make good judgements.08:01
jihaaaaaadAlso, technical ability.08:01
jihaaaaaadkanzure, being a room founder, should be an op08:02
jihaaaaaadfenn has his head on straight08:02
UtopiahGHMLdo you also want to make it an institution? eventually have funding?08:03
jihaaaaaadNo, fuck no08:03
jihaaaaaadThis needs to go so far underground we don't see daylight\\08:03
jihaaaaaadStop thinking like a corporate professional.08:03
UtopiahGHMLand why do you think so?08:03
jihaaaaaadWe can accomplish more as a little insular society than as an institution in the public eye.08:03
jihaaaaaadIf we are held responsible for what we say and do, there's no limit to the sort of things we will never accomplish.08:04
jihaaaaaadWe need to answer to our OWN moral code.08:04
UtopiahGHMLso why are you trying to impose your view on others?08:04
jihaaaaaadDo you need a corporate handbook to tell you not to create some terrible plague?08:04
jihaaaaaadI sure don't.08:04
UtopiahGHMLbut you want rules08:05
jihaaaaaadI want OUR rules, not everyone else's.08:05
UtopiahGHMLyou think an institution only does what is written on paper?08:05
jihaaaaaadI also want it to be known that all I am currently stating mustn't be construed to mean that we should give up our freedom of speech08:05
jihaaaaaadon the contrary, i think such a thing should be protected08:05
jihaaaaaadUtopiahGHML: I think bureaucracy is the main enemy of scientific progress. 08:06
UtopiahGHMLso why don't you start our manifesto/declaration on a wiki and we would all refine it?08:07
jihaaaaaadBecause you're still thinking "open, big, crowdsourcing".08:07
jihaaaaaadWe could just write a text file and pass it about.08:07
UtopiahGHMLI like it when you tell me how Im thinking or doing anything :)08:07
jihaaaaaadno reason to show the universe08:07
jihaaaaaadIf you truly care about free and open software, and the internet, you'll recognize we suffer from signal to noise ratio08:08
UtopiahGHMLI don't see any reason why an http wiki or not is less public than a text file...08:08
jihaaaaaada very poor one08:08
jihaaaaaadIt's MORE public08:08
jihaaaaaadOkay, on the internet, there are certain things we see that matter to us and nobody else, right?08:08
UtopiahGHMLwell you could just encode your file and pass it on FreeNet if you are such a fan of secrecy08:08
jihaaaaaadOr we could just pass it around here08:09
UtopiahGHMLbut let me ask you sth, what do you think is more important :08:09
UtopiahGHMLour ability to collaborate faster or our ability to stay secret?08:09
jihaaaaaadBoth are very important, but I think the collaboration, for all our free and open fancy tools, doesn't seem to happen much08:09
jihaaaaaadIn the olden days, people collaborated with words.08:10
jihaaaaaad"I'll build a PCR machine. Why don't you try an incubator?"08:10
jihaaaaaadOur ability to stay secret is not YET important.08:10
jihaaaaaadIt will eventually become very critical.08:10
UtopiahGHMLhave you seen the quantity of information on the topic that you consider secret that are *already* open and accessible to anyone?08:10
jihaaaaaadBecause we WILL get knocks on our doors if we stay above ground.08:11
jihaaaaaadof course08:11
jihaaaaaadbut our activities don't need to be open and accessible 08:11
jihaaaaaadWho wants to know what we're doing? Why?08:11
jihaaaaaadDo you realize how many microbiologists have died in the last ten years in fishy circumstances? 08:11
jihaaaaaadBe scared. Be paranoid. 08:11
jihaaaaaadact like hackers, not like corporate schmoes 08:12
UtopiahGHMLright, you totally have a bounty over your head08:12
jihaaaaaadYou want that?08:12
UtopiahGHMLthe only security is the rapidity to innovate.08:12
jihaaaaaadno08:12
UtopiahGHMLit wasn't a question.08:12
jihaaaaaadthe only security is to not get noticed08:12
jihaaaaaadWe need to watch our backs and stop pretending we're legit08:12
jihaaaaaadbecause we're the only ones pretending we are08:12
UtopiahGHMLyou do illegit activity all day long, copyright infrigment 24/7 even when you don't "hack" or purpose08:13
UtopiahGHMLs/or purpose/on purpose/08:13
UtopiahGHMLso relax08:13
jihaaaaaadAnd when we have fucked-over ecoli growing, so do you08:13
jihaaaaaadBasically08:13
UtopiahGHMLjust go faster08:13
jihaaaaaadNo matter how free and open and accessible we are08:13
jihaaaaaadwe need to realize that those ideals have a place08:14
jihaaaaaadAnd it's not here08:14
UtopiahGHMLbuild the ideal place and people will follow you there.08:14
UtopiahGHMLshare the tools, share the method08:14
UtopiahGHMLif there is value, people shall follow.08:14
jihaaaaaadWell, the people are here, and the tools on the drawing board08:15
jihaaaaaadYou simply need leadership and to quit masturbating while thinking about the coming singularity and crowdsourcing and how free and accessible your mom is08:15
UtopiahGHMLyou think you are a leader?08:16
jihaaaaaadNo, but i don't see anyone else ready to step up08:16
UtopiahGHMLso what do you suggest?08:16
jihaaaaaadFocus, secrecy, and progress.08:17
UtopiahGHMLwait, Im writting it down.08:17
UtopiahGHMLThanks a lot.08:17
jihaaaaaadanyway08:19
jihaaaaaadi'm going to bed08:19
jihaaaaaadbut goddammit i see potential among you weenies08:19
jihaaaaaadit's not often a group of scientists with the DIY mentality and the hacker mindset get together to act like depraved lunatics08:19
jihaaaaaadSo, all we have to do is establish the DIY mentality, the hacker mindset, and the depravity 08:19
jihaaaaaadI WILL MAKE HEROES OUT OF YOU WEENIES08:20
UtopiahGHMLhave sweet dreams about it.08:20
jihaaaaaadRemember to act poorly.08:20
jihaaaaaadbreak something08:20
UtopiahGHMLIll totally follow your qualitry advices08:20
UtopiahGHML"09:17 < jihaaaaaad> Focus, secrecy, and progress."08:21
jihaaaaaadall i'm encouraging is that we select our own ideals and moral postulations08:21
jihaaaaaadinstead of following the white hat, open source, we're-legit machine08:22
jihaaaaaadas for making money08:22
jihaaaaaadPerhaps, one day, we can find some way to be financially productive08:22
UtopiahGHMLeither that or change the system, let's guess which on is easier...08:22
splicerjihaaaaad has some valid points, there is by necessity an amount of political correctness in say diybio that makes it go nowhere.. like the e-coli replacement debate there. 09:04
splicerI have a feeling a lot of people feel that09:04
splicertime to sleep09:05
fennstupid black cracker09:52
fennparanoia and fear never goes anywhere.. i've tried it09:57
fennhowever, NOT acting like a wingnut has plenty of advantages09:57
fennwhere i grew up, "cracker" meant "whitey"10:42
fennin my adopted culture, "hacker" means "magician"10:42
kanzure_Splicer: No, that's bullshit.11:45
kanzure_There's no "political correctness" physically holding people back. They are simply lazy.11:45
kanzure_fenn: If you get over the lazycopter-factor, go make the 1 MHz ultrasound circuit, find a rat, and experiment. Preferably with a variable capacitor so that you can tune it down to 10 kHz to hear if it actually works.11:58
fenni have some chickens, what sort of experiment?12:01
fennand 1MHz is pretty damn high12:01
kanzure_http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/Ultrasound_brain.pdf12:02
kanzure_Apparently ultrasound stimulates the brain .. or human hands.12:02
kanzure_"Place ultrasound next to chicken head. Activate. Observer wild behavior."12:02
kanzure_*Observe12:03
fennhmmm12:03
* kanzure_ wouldn't know what abnormal chicken behavior is12:03
kanzure_"Great mambo chicken and the transhuman condition"12:03
fenn"Cassondra Majestic" nice name12:03
kanzure_?12:03
fennone of the authors12:03
kanzure_on the paper?12:03
kanzure_hrm, 260k voters in the county. 43% of the registered voters.12:04
kanzure_that's a hell of a turnout. hrm.12:04
fennthey voted already?12:04
kanzure_yes12:04
kanzure_fenn: Shouldn't a crystal oscillator + speaker picked up at radiohsack do the trick?12:06
kanzure_is  1 MHz still too high?12:06
fennit's a question of the bandwidth of the ultrasound transducer12:08
kanzure_scuse me?12:08
fennmost ultrasound is around 20-100kHz12:08
kanzure_maradydd told me it's just an oscillating crystal + speaker12:08
kanzure_and a few capacitors/inductors12:09
wrldpcJihad, you're unstable.14:12
wrldpcHas anyone seen this Pake lecture Mac posted to DIYBio?  http://www.parc.com/cms/get_article.php?id=79214:13
wrldpc_http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/10/air-forces-amne.html15:16
kanzure__Interesting, I've been seeing an increasing rate in parc.com links showing up over the past three days.15:28
kanzure__Anywho, anyone remember how to make php/perl-cgi/python 'stream' HTML back to the browser?15:30
kanzure__http://www.mail-archive.com/cgiapp@lists.erlbaum.net/msg02660.html <- What an unholy large jpg.15:32
kanzure__Ah. Content-type: application/octet-stream15:33
fenni think you just dont send the </html> 15:37
fenncheck out the nasa bluemarble site for unholy large jpeg's15:38
fennhttp://fennetic.net/pub/irc/world.200408.3x21600x10800.jpg15:40
fenn(20MB)15:41
bkeroThat's a pretty small one.15:44
bkeroI have one that's around 1200MB15:44
fennyeah i thought it was bigger than that15:46
UtopiahGHMLConcentration of Web users' online information behaviour http://informationr.net/ir/12-4/paper324.html15:57
kanzure__It is well known that the totality of web user behavior can be summed up by a very complex mathematical equation that, unfortunately, I do not have time to go into here.15:58
kanzure__However, what I can tell is that the equation was derived during a psychadelic session while rocking out to the fifth moon sequence in Dark Side. The sum totality of all online behavior is definitively, and ultimately, directly proportional to /b/.15:59
kanzure__Gah, running ls on a 755,000-file dir is a bad idea.16:00
jihaaaaaadhanging out with this nick on #guns is awesome16:47
fennthis blows dancing qrio out of the water: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUH3m6ZyW-g17:18
facefacehoney pot nick?17:20
facefaceanyone used gbrowse?17:20
fennwhat's gbrowse17:20
facefaceits a pain in the assets17:20
facefacehttp://gmod.org/wiki/GBrowse17:20
facefaceThe Generic Genome Browser is a combination of database and interactive Web page for manipulating and displaying annotations on genomes.17:21
facefacefirst I can't make it install, now I can't make it load my data, now I can't make it display my data17:21
xp_prg2hi all!17:23
xp_prg2I ran my first synbioss simulation that ppk created!17:24
xp_prg2kanzure__ I found the python code that creates the sbml file in synbioss18:26
kanzure__xp_prg2: Did you?18:46
xp_prg2yup18:47
kanzure__35 mL of neochloris oleoabundans @ 10kRPM, 15 to 24 deg celsius, for 15 minutes produced a 1.5 mm diameter (scrapable) splotch on the wall tubing.18:47
kanzure__xp_prg2: How about instead of telling me, you show me?18:48
xp_prg2I thought you didn't want my help anymore?18:48
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xp_prgI have also found where it makes the ncdf file18:53
kanzure__xp_prg: So are you going to show me or not?19:08
kanzure__Straight up.19:08
xp_prgI am confused though, I thought you said you didn't want anymore of my help that I was too frustrating to work with or help19:09
kanzure__xp_prg: Because you weren't doing the work. If you want to bring me relevant information, like the file names where you supposedly found the information, then that's relevant. Flash interfaces to nothing, are not relevant.19:28
xp_prgkanzure__ I want you to help me more with understanding things in exchange for my help with python etc..., is that a deal?19:31
xp_prgstraight up19:31
kanzure__I know python. I'll help you understand things, but keep it separated from the work.20:26
xp_prgwhat do you mean keep it separated from the work, I am trying to understand things to do the work and that is involved with the work, can you clarify?20:28
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xp_prgkanzure__ can you help me to understand a simple model that I would plug into hy3s?21:22
willPow3rfloat(.005*sin(2*%pi/3)^2)21:59
willPow3rwrong wind ow21:59
UtopiahGHMLfenn: thank you for the "frenchisms" corrections :D22:34
kanzure_xp_prg: The work was simple :( not all this flash stuff.23:22
kanzure_Anyway, stop asking to ask and just ask. 23:23
kanzure_http://heybryan.org/bioreactor/media/23:30
kanzure_moc or cmus?23:57

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