| --- Day changed Sat Nov 15 2008 | ||
| fenn | i've never met him, just read papers and videos | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| fenn | the fab@home thing bugs me | 00:00 |
| kanzure_ | nope, doesn't display in links2 | 00:00 |
| fenn | its all pictures anyway | 00:00 |
| fenn | if you have video: http://media.rockpapershotgun.com/eskil.flv | 00:01 |
| kanzure_ | I'll have to fix the desktop. | 00:01 |
| fenn | works in mplayer | 00:01 |
| kanzure_ | the mobo hit metal and turned off yesterday. | 00:01 |
| fenn | oops | 00:01 |
| fenn | "love" uses some sort of grammar to generate the landscape and buildings | 00:02 |
| fenn | it's very much like what i wanted for smirf | 00:03 |
| kanzure_ | campbell has a weird fascination with contextfreeart.org, which I think you showed me like the day before he did. | 00:03 |
| fenn | that figures | 00:03 |
| kanzure_ | after looking I can see why. | 00:03 |
| kanzure_ | "WTF, how did they get that from that?" "that's what I want you to figure out, Bryan" "oh. hm." | 00:03 |
| fenn | the halloween one? | 00:03 |
| kanzure_ | nah, just random clicking in their gallery | 00:04 |
| fenn | "what i want you to figure out" is basically the premise of NKS | 00:06 |
| kanzure_ | heh | 00:06 |
| fenn | complex behavior arises from simple rules | 00:06 |
| fenn | god i feel like i'm becoming my parents | 00:06 |
| fenn | this is what my mom studied | 00:06 |
| kanzure_ | sure, sure, I know complexity science, I anxst over it | 00:07 |
| kanzure_ | just haven't memorized/read NKS. | 00:07 |
| fenn | it's a good intro, that's all | 00:07 |
| fenn | "everything has changed but our thinking" | 00:07 |
| fenn | hah pdfernhout.net | 00:08 |
| kanzure_ | hm? | 00:08 |
| fenn | i'm pretty sure i got that quote from some feynman interview (from einstein) | 00:08 |
| fenn | oo its on bootstrap.org too | 00:09 |
| kanzure_ | That's why. | 00:09 |
| fenn | dammit from paul again (on boostrap) | 00:09 |
| fenn | who is this guy? :) | 00:09 |
| kanzure_ | I keep running into myself on the internet. | 00:09 |
| fenn | good thing this channel isnt logged or we'd never be able to find anything but hplusroadmap logs | 00:10 |
| fenn | computer-aided groupthink | 00:11 |
| fenn | i should just write a markov bot that imitates me, so i dont actually have to write emails to mailing lists | 00:14 |
| kanzure_ | didn't we just talk about that? | 00:15 |
| kanzure_ | I wonder what would happen if we posted logs though | 00:15 |
| kanzure_ | would we find more of ourselves? | 00:15 |
| fenn | want to find out? >:) | 00:16 |
| kanzure_ | well. | 00:16 |
| kanzure_ | I'm not sure. | 00:16 |
| fenn | and is more people even necessary? openmanufacturing has a lot already | 00:17 |
| fenn | not to mention tt wta-talk etc | 00:18 |
| kanzure_ | I'm more thinking about the people that are throwing good terms into the search engine but still not hitting us up. | 00:18 |
| kanzure_ | one of the main reasons why you (still) find so much of my stuff throughout the internet is because it's kind of my way of letting me find myself. whether that means me-me, or some other me. Hard to explain. :) | 00:18 |
| kanzure_ | But I have found my 2003 self before, and so on. | 00:19 |
| fenn | right | 00:19 |
| kanzure_ | gene: There's now furric sulfate and furric chloride in Sata's lab. So I'll flocculant either tomorrow or on Monday. | 00:31 |
| fenn | ew | 00:32 |
| fenn | that's brown chemically stuff right? | 00:32 |
| kanzure_ | I didn't check. | 00:33 |
| kanzure_ | I wasn't aware of how strong a grip Fisher Scientific had on the university. | 00:33 |
| kanzure_ | The chemical storeroom was quite literally a storefront for Fisher Scientific. | 00:33 |
| kanzure_ | It was odd. | 00:33 |
| fenn | its the stuff they used to use for etching pcb's | 00:33 |
| kanzure_ | The lady at the desk was like a retired veteran or something. | 00:33 |
| kanzure_ | "YOU WANT FURRIC _WHAT_? WHY NOT JUST GET SOME NITROGEN EXPLOSIVES. BIG BOOM." | 00:33 |
| kanzure_ | "No, I want furric sulfate please." | 00:34 |
| kanzure_ | "BIG BOOM?" | 00:34 |
| fenn | weird | 00:34 |
| kanzure_ | :p | 00:34 |
| kanzure_ | I think she just fetches chemicals for everyone. | 00:34 |
| kanzure_ | Thus her job .. | 00:34 |
| willPow3r | ferric sufate? | 00:34 |
| kanzure_ | ferric. | 00:34 |
| gene | hey kanzure I found me a macro that does involute curves | 01:07 |
| kanzure_ | in what software package? | 01:08 |
| gene | I can't figure out how to use it | 01:08 |
| gene | MACRO to GENERATE INVOLUTE PATH with SOLIDWORKS | 01:08 |
| gene | =============================================== | 01:08 |
| gene | Sub main() | 01:08 |
| gene | Set swApp = Application.SldWorks | 01:08 |
| gene | Set Part = swApp.ActiveDoc | 01:08 |
| gene | '---------- | 01:08 |
| gene | R = 71.6034 'ENTER BASE CIRCLE RADIUS | 01:08 |
| gene | pi = 4 * Atn(1) | 01:08 |
| gene | For Ang = 0 To 45 Step 2 | 01:08 |
| gene | X1 = Cos(Ang / 180 * pi) * R | 01:08 |
| gene | Y1 = Sin(Ang / 180 * pi) * R | 01:08 |
| gene | Opp = R * 2 * pi | 01:08 |
| gene | Opp = Opp * (Ang / 360) | 01:08 |
| gene | Hyp = Sqr(R ^ 2 + Opp ^ 2) | 01:08 |
| gene | Ang2 = Atn(Opp / R) | 01:08 |
| gene | Ang2 = Ang2 / pi * 180 | 01:08 |
| gene | Ang3 = Ang - Ang2 | 01:08 |
| gene | X2 = Hyp * Cos(Ang3 / 180 * pi) | 01:08 |
| gene | X2 = Int(X2 * 10000 + 0.5) / 10000 | 01:08 |
| gene | Y2 = Hyp * Sin(Ang3 / 180 * pi) | 01:08 |
| gene | Y2 = Int(Y2 * 10000 + 0.5) / 10000 | 01:08 |
| gene | XX = X2 / 1000 | 01:09 |
| gene | YY = Y2 / 1000 | 01:09 |
| gene | Part.CreateLine2 X, Y, 0, XX, YY, 0 | 01:09 |
| kanzure_ | WHY ISN'T HE KICKED? | 01:09 |
| gene | X = XX | 01:09 |
| gene | Y = YY | 01:09 |
| gene | Next Ang | 01:09 |
| gene | '---------- | 01:09 |
| gene | End Sub | 01:09 |
| gene | that's it | 01:09 |
| gene | no idea | 01:09 |
| gene | what do you mean? | 01:09 |
| gene | why isn't he kicked? | 01:09 |
| kanzure_ | Freenode has a max paste of six lines before they kick you. | 01:09 |
| gene | heh | 01:09 |
| kanzure_ | That looks like some basic scripting language. | 01:10 |
| kanzure_ | I'm sure there's a prompt or interpreter in Solidworks. | 01:10 |
| gene | yeah | 01:10 |
| gene | it don't compile | 01:11 |
| kanzure_ | I doubt it has a compiler. | 01:11 |
| gene | it does | 01:12 |
| gene | some weird microsoft visual basic stuff | 01:12 |
| gene | Ok | 01:13 |
| kanzure_ | Huh, Paul caught on to Convergence08. I thought he wanted to distance himself from the transhuman community .. | 01:14 |
| gene | huh? | 01:16 |
| kanzure_ | Paul's the guy behind OSCOMAK. | 01:17 |
| kanzure_ | http://oscomak.net/ | 01:17 |
| kanzure_ | Yay dual internet connection speed is back up. | 01:31 |
| * kanzure_ installs monodevelop | 01:31 | |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/bioreactor/2008-11-14/ <- Stuff I took from a professor today. | 01:32 |
| bkero | http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16029-dna-strands-become-fibre-optic-cables.html?DCMP=ts | 01:57 |
| kanzure_ | hrm, that sounds important | 01:59 |
| * kanzure_ types it in. | 01:59 | |
| bkero | kanzure_: dillo got css and https support :) | 02:00 |
| kanzure_ | Aren't YO chromophores just a fluorescent dye? | 02:05 |
| kanzure_ | oxazole yellow or something | 02:05 |
| * bkero shrugs | 02:07 | |
| bkero | If they're passing photons, they could very easily act as a dye | 02:07 |
| gene | squid chromophores? | 02:07 |
| kanzure | http://pda.physorg.com/lofi-news-dna-strands-researchers_9111.html | 02:11 |
| kanzure | "The longest strands are one millimeter long, and only one nanometer thick. On a larger scale, positioning such a long, skinny tendril of DNA is like wielding a human hair that is ten meters (30 feet) long. Yet Lee and Guan are able to arrange their DNA strands with nanometer precision, using relatively simple equipment." | 02:11 |
| kanzure | "In this patent-pending technology, the researchers press the comb into a drop of water containing coils of DNA molecules. Some of the DNA strands fall between the comb's teeth, so that the strands uncoil and stretch out along the surface of the comb as it is pulled from the water." | 02:11 |
| kanzure | `"Basically, we're doing nanotechnology using only a piece of rubber and a tiny droplet of DNA solution," Guan said.` | 02:11 |
| bkero | lol | 02:12 |
| kanzure | 'The technique that Lee and Guan used is similar to a relatively inexpensive chip-making technology called soft lithography, where rubber molds press materials into shape.' | 02:12 |
| kanzure | Heh. | 02:12 |
| kanzure | http://www.instructables.com/id/5_minute_DNA_Extraction_in_a_Shot_Glass/ | 02:13 |
| kanzure | All you need is a chromophore and in 40 minutes you'll have a bitching 1 bit per sec gateway into oblivion. | 02:13 |
| kanzure | "Use straws". | 02:14 |
| bkero | Nice | 02:23 |
| kanzure_ | Too bad the length isn't significant. I know a few people interested in a "DNA straw tube internet connectivity apparatus". | 02:24 |
| bkero | I wonder what the bandwidth is | 02:25 |
| kanzure_ | Besides nonexistent? | 02:26 |
| bkero | Yea | 02:26 |
| fenn | never underestimate the bandwidth of a comet full of microbes hurtling across the galaxy | 02:39 |
| fenn | The large geometry change associated with azobenzene photoisomerization has also been used to control protein activity with light. | 02:51 |
| fenn | ...When applied to ion channels in the nervous system, this approach affords optical control of electrical activity in neurons. | 02:51 |
| fenn | sounds like useful stuff | 02:51 |
| fenn | a thin film was made to bend and unbend by exposing it to polarized light. The direction of the macroscopic motion could be controlled by the polarization direction. | 02:53 |
| kanzure_ | Wasn't that in SciAm last month re: optogenetics? | 02:53 |
| kanzure_ | Not the film bending, the azobenzene photoisomerization | 02:54 |
| fenn | i was thinking it might be useful for building a writozyme | 02:58 |
| kanzure_ | In ion channels this is probably controlling the blocking amino acid chains that are responsible for the process of 'inactivation', when sodium ion channels 'clog' (with their own mechanism) so that they no longer influence the membrane potential. I think. | 03:00 |
| gene | whoa what did I miss | 03:22 |
| kanzure_ | Grr. ME server has changed its address. | 03:22 |
| kanzure_ | ybit: Any particular reason we can't hold this conversion here? | 03:23 |
| kanzure_ | Hi PeerInfinity. | 03:23 |
| PeerInfinity | hi kanzure :D | 03:23 |
| * PeerInfinity hugs :) | 03:23 | |
| ybit | kanzure_ nope, none at all | 03:23 |
| kanzure_ | It is not recommended to be in a system where you have to rely on bartering algorithms in order to survive. | 03:23 |
| ybit | so.. if you need something, you can just ask someone. for instance, freecycle works quite nicely | 03:24 |
| gene | what you started using the ME server kanzure? | 03:24 |
| kanzure_ | gene: Notice that it said that "kanzure__ [i=dhcp-84-12.me.utexas.]". | 03:24 |
| kanzure_ | gene: The previous address was dhcp-84-253.me.utexas.edu. | 03:25 |
| gene | oh | 03:25 |
| gene | not the software server | 03:25 |
| ybit | and there are volunteers to help with other services which may be rendered in an open money community | 03:25 |
| kanzure_ | Huh? Yes, it's a software server. | 03:25 |
| gene | they have some pretty awesome warez on it | 03:25 |
| gene | have you used the warez on it? | 03:26 |
| kanzure_ | ybit: I think your assumptions for an implementation context are different than what I'm talking about. | 03:26 |
| kanzure_ | I think you're assuming "oh shit, we're spawned in a randomass society,, now what do we do to get stuff done?" And I'm ranting about how stupid everybody is for bad design. | 03:26 |
| kanzure_ | gene: Yes. | 03:26 |
| gene | try out real model | 03:26 |
| gene | or whatever the heck it is called | 03:27 |
| ybit | kanzure_ can you elaborate? | 03:27 |
| kanzure_ | ybit: From a pioneer's perspective, why would you try to build a home/family, much less a city or civilization, out of materials that aren't adequate? | 03:27 |
| bkero | necessity | 03:27 |
| kanzure_ | Then you have to add in stupid overhead to manage how things go around just because you screwed up? | 03:28 |
| bkero | If you start in a rush, you get a shitty base, and have to make a bunch of scaffolding around it to support it | 03:28 |
| bkero | See: US air travel | 03:28 |
| kanzure_ | Air travel? | 03:28 |
| kanzure_ | Why is that an example of that? | 03:28 |
| bkero | When air travel was first monetized, nobody really knew how to build a proper infrastructure] | 03:29 |
| kanzure_ | Do you know a little bit of the history that you could elaborate on? | 03:29 |
| ybit | open money seems like a temporary solution to the problem of scarcity | 03:29 |
| gene | DAMMIT | 03:29 |
| gene | solidworks crashed | 03:30 |
| bkero | We just need to eliminate scarcity | 03:30 |
| ybit | right | 03:30 |
| gene | could you eliminate the scarcity of energy? | 03:31 |
| kanzure_ | Open money doesn't seem like a temporary solution at all because of the barrier-to-entry into mining operations. | 03:31 |
| gene | or original paintings | 03:31 |
| kanzure_ | In terms of energy, however, I might agree, because of how ridiculously easy it is to grow little organisms that photosynthesize and live in the oceans. What do we call those again? | 03:31 |
| kanzure_ | photosynthetes? | 03:31 |
| gene | no | 03:31 |
| gene | I mean in the long term | 03:32 |
| gene | very longterm | 03:32 |
| kanzure_ | Heat death longterm? | 03:32 |
| gene | yeah | 03:32 |
| gene | heat death | 03:32 |
| kanzure_ | gene: read the logs. | 03:33 |
| bkero | Eliminating the scarcity of energy would only be possible through free energy. We just need to overcome that pesky conservation of energy laws | 03:33 |
| gene | ok | 03:33 |
| ybit | what barriers of entry in mining do you reference kanzure_? | 03:33 |
| gene | ok | 03:33 |
| ybit | just curious | 03:33 |
| kanzure_ | ybit: I also refer to barriers to entry in terms of getting corporations to expose their RFQ/ordering interfaces. | 03:33 |
| gene | so how do we get tantalum? | 03:33 |
| gene | weird minerals | 03:33 |
| gene | necessary for semiconductors and electronics | 03:34 |
| kanzure_ | http://mindat.org/ might list businesses that mine tantalum, but it doesn't expose a consistent ordering API | 03:34 |
| kanzure_ | (one doesn't exist (and yet many companies do have such an API (reserved for "business to business" bullshitting))) | 03:34 |
| gene | refresh me on what an API is? | 03:34 |
| kanzure_ | Application Protocol Interface | 03:34 |
| kanzure_ | Application Program Interface | 03:34 |
| gene | ok | 03:34 |
| gene | no idea | 03:34 |
| gene | let's move on then | 03:35 |
| kanzure_ | uh? Materials are kind of important for just about everything, gene. | 03:35 |
| gene | some minerals take lots of ore processing to get to | 03:35 |
| kanzure_ | So what? | 03:35 |
| gene | you have to go through lots of xx ore to get xx | 03:35 |
| kanzure_ | We were talking about APIs for material ordering and retrieval in (preferably non-monetary) scenarios. | 03:36 |
| gene | ok | 03:36 |
| kanzure_ | Why are you mentioning this, then? | 03:36 |
| gene | I though you were trying to achieve post scarcity | 03:37 |
| gene | in order to achieve PC | 03:37 |
| gene | PS | 03:37 |
| gene | I mean | 03:37 |
| kanzure_ | What does that have to do with having to go through layers of different material processing techniques to get to goods? | 03:37 |
| gene | things are made from raw materials | 03:37 |
| kanzure_ | Which you don't have access to in bulk. | 03:38 |
| kanzure_ | That's why I was talking about the API work. | 03:38 |
| kanzure_ | Sigh. | 03:38 |
| gene | ok | 03:39 |
| gene | I don't get it | 03:39 |
| kanzure_ | In order to live and build stuff, you need raw materials, and we were talking about post-scarcity economics thereof; this would usually mean doing away with monetary systems and instead being damned sure about how much 'growth' you can withstand (can you support another person? another space shuttle project? etc.). APIs allow computers to get this information automatically. | 03:41 |
| kanzure_ | This is in a sense part of the 'cyberinfrastructure' that, ideally, NSF is promoting with VOICED, heh'. | 03:41 |
| gene | Ok | 03:41 |
| gene | I want to build a house the size of a mountain | 03:42 |
| kanzure_ | Out of what? | 03:42 |
| gene | utilizing everything | 03:42 |
| gene | steel | 03:42 |
| kanzure_ | Who is your steel supplier? | 03:42 |
| gene | this is non monetary isn't it | 03:43 |
| kanzure_ | yeah, but you still have to physically get your materials from somewhere (it's not in your pocket (but it should be)) | 03:43 |
| kanzure_ | So maybe you have installed an automatic ore and cold-pressed steel factory, can you tell me at which coords you built this system? How did you build the system anyway? | 03:44 |
| kanzure_ | See, the scenarios are incomplete because nobody really has this sort of information as it is. Everything is presently just a terrible hack. . | 03:44 |
| * kanzure_ feels like he's holding a lecture. | 03:44 | |
| gene | ok | 03:45 |
| gene | Ok | 03:45 |
| gene | so how about a bunch of canals to transport stuff to point b | 03:46 |
| kanzure_ | That would be great. But what I'm trying to get at is that this isn't solvable by sitting in a bubble trying to reason about things. This is only solvable by 'groundtruthing', going out there into the world and striking up deals to get materials and so on to bootstrap all of these interesting projects and systems. | 03:46 |
| kanzure_ | otherwise Ramanujan would have disappeared in a puff of smoke into transcendentalism or something :p | 03:47 |
| gene | ok | 03:47 |
| gene | well I just listen for now | 03:48 |
| kanzure_ | I think ybit's thinking about different topics anyway. | 03:49 |
| ybit | mining is related | 03:56 |
| gene | solidwarks blew up | 04:00 |
| gene | I NEED MORE POWER | 04:02 |
| kanzure_ | Have you tried adjusting the transducers on the reverse deflectionator? | 04:02 |
| gene | yes kanzure | 04:24 |
| gene | I have | 04:24 |
| gene | that's the first thing I tried | 04:24 |
| gene | sheesh, you think I don't know how to use hyperluminal ofsnatificator? | 04:25 |
| fenn | i'd like to point out that most minerals can be obtained from either common dirt or sea water | 04:35 |
| fenn | but it's cheaper to go dig miles underground | 04:36 |
| kanzure_ | Also tends to be quicker to do stuff in bulk. | 04:36 |
| fenn | s/minerals/elements/ | 04:36 |
| kanzure_ | I was going to do a graphing setup to export some stats to gnuplot for graphing the number of trials or data points required until something is hit with the ranodm rule tree-graph approach. | 04:39 |
| kanzure_ | but now that I think about it, I might as well just randomly generate values for constants on some log equation | 04:39 |
| kanzure_ | since it's random rules anyway :( | 04:39 |
| fenn | random in random out | 04:40 |
| kanzure_ | yep. | 04:40 |
| gene | http://royal.pingdom.com/2008/11/14/the-worlds-most-super-designed-data-center-fit-for-a-james-bond-villain/ | 05:01 |
| gene | we need one of these | 05:02 |
| fenn | gene: check out villainsource.com | 05:32 |
| gene | sweet a biohacked mouse is the villain of the month | 05:33 |
| gene | heh | 05:42 |
| gene | they sell tribbles | 05:42 |
| bkero | http://www.technovelgy.com/ | 07:01 |
| gene | ok | 07:12 |
| gene | let's try to make smart wheels | 07:14 |
| gene | http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/content.asp?Bnum=117 | 07:18 |
| fenn | some sports cars (lotus elise? maclaren?) already have active suspension. and then there's the micheling "tweel" | 07:24 |
| fenn | michelin* | 07:25 |
| gene | is it a smart wheel? | 07:25 |
| gene | no | 07:25 |
| gene | could you put it on a skateboard | 07:26 |
| fenn | why bother with a wheel at all if you have super duper nano magic | 07:26 |
| fenn | yes | 07:26 |
| gene | because hoverboards don't have friction | 07:27 |
| gene | they are hard to stop | 07:27 |
| gene | and steer | 07:27 |
| fenn | not with super nano magic gecko snail carpet | 07:27 |
| gene | would get destroyed first time you used it | 07:28 |
| gene | or might throw you off said hoverboard | 07:29 |
| fenn | you're just being contrary | 07:29 |
| gene | f=ma | 07:29 |
| fenn | it would bank to keep the acceleration vector normal to the board | 07:29 |
| fenn | more like a snowboard than a skateboard | 07:29 |
| gene | there's no changing that | 07:29 |
| fenn | changing what | 07:29 |
| gene | physics | 07:30 |
| gene | we can't make universes yet | 07:30 |
| gene | Kanzure pick a number | 07:30 |
| gene | pick a number | 07:30 |
| gene | anyone | 07:30 |
| gene | screw it | 07:31 |
| fenn | 12648430 | 07:31 |
| fenn | why am i still awake | 07:31 |
| gene | 1/16 | 07:31 |
| gene | because sleep is for slackers | 07:31 |
| gene | you don't need ti | 07:31 |
| fenn | are you saying i'm not a slacker? | 07:32 |
| gene | you don't need sleep | 07:32 |
| gene | algae can get away with out sleep | 07:32 |
| gene | so to say | 07:32 |
| fenn | i don't believe it | 07:33 |
| gene | no really | 07:33 |
| gene | they bred an algae that grows continuously under flashing lights | 07:33 |
| gene | it still goes through dark reactions | 07:34 |
| gene | but in a very short period of time | 07:34 |
| gene | instead of a 24 hr period | 07:34 |
| gene | it's overclocked algae so to say | 07:34 |
| gene | grows crazy fast | 07:34 |
| gene | but if algae can do something liek this why can't humans | 07:35 |
| fenn | because we are horribly complex mammals | 07:35 |
| gene | algae has circadian rhythms | 07:38 |
| * fenn is not surprised | 07:38 | |
| gene | heh | 07:39 |
| fenn | it makes more sense than humans having them at least | 07:39 |
| gene | max record for days without sleep? | 07:39 |
| gene | 11 days | 07:39 |
| gene | no lasting problems | 07:39 |
| gene | resulted | 07:40 |
| fenn | woah freaky "hair stylists can get hair embedded in their arms from their clients, and it starts growing there," | 07:41 |
| willPow3r | 36 hour days are routine for me | 07:46 |
| willPow3r | 36 awake, 12 asleep | 07:47 |
| fenn | that is truly weird | 07:48 |
| willPow3r | its actually quite easy once you adjust | 07:49 |
| fenn | i've heard of a 28 hour day but never 36 | 07:52 |
| fenn | this reminded me of yudkowsky: http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/is-it-time-to-go-beyond-wikipedia/2008/11/11#comment-333459 | 07:54 |
| willPow3r | fenn, that is a very interesting article. | 08:17 |
| UtopiahGHML | just thought about 2 different ideas : homeostasis vs entropy and politics being universal | 12:02 |
| UtopiahGHML | and consequently thought about political homeostasis | 12:03 |
| UtopiahGHML | and the ability of a political system to stabilize and re-inforce itself | 12:03 |
| UtopiahGHML | thanks to different means of security | 12:03 |
| UtopiahGHML | and was wondering if somebody knew any framework to analyze politics based on those nature/physics principle? | 12:03 |
| -!- nsh- is now known as nsh | 13:25 | |
| kanzure_ | After many hours of painstakingly classification and experimentation, I have discovered that upward head tilt controls eyelid closure. | 16:38 |
| kanzure_ | s/tilt/nod/ | 16:40 |
| UtopiahGHML | nobel price on the way | 16:42 |
| kanzure_ | ? | 16:42 |
| kanzure_ | prize. | 16:42 |
| kanzure_ | s/painstakingly/painstaking/ | 16:42 |
| UtopiahGHML | nobel prize on the way (thanks) | 16:43 |
| kanzure_ | Yesterday I completed Spyro: Year of the Dragon without savegames because evidently Spyro doesn't consider the PS2 savegame cartridge to be a valid cartridge. | 16:44 |
| UtopiahGHML | what's the fitness function in Spyro? | 16:46 |
| kanzure_ | I need PSX, PS2, or N64 game recommendations. | 18:26 |
| UtopiahGHML | GuiltyGear / Wipeout | 18:30 |
| UtopiahGHML | and anything that is too freaking fast and that you can play with a giant 2-players arcade pad | 18:30 |
| fenn | bushido blade | 18:34 |
| fenn | best with another human | 18:35 |
| fenn | and of course final fantasy VII | 18:36 |
| kanzure_ | What about xenogears? | 18:37 |
| bkero | Xenogears is alright | 20:15 |
| bkero | Wild Arms and suikoden if you're looking for an RPG | 20:15 |
| bkero | Katamari if you want to play katamari | 20:15 |
| gene | huh? | 20:22 |
| gene | did I miss something here | 20:23 |
| willPow3r_ | check out this crazy website i just designed: http://66. | 21:05 |
| willPow3r_ | fuck | 21:05 |
| willPow3r_ | http://66.75.6.181 | 21:05 |
| kanzure_ | "hello there!" | 21:07 |
| kanzure_ | looks like /somebody/ just discovered apache .. | 21:07 |
| kanzure_ | Doesn't seem to say much. | 21:22 |
| kanzure_ | It's still yelling hello at me. | 21:22 |
| fenn | what a lame markov bot | 21:28 |
| kanzure_ | paul, eric, or me? | 21:29 |
| kanzure_ | actually I would doubt that eric's a markov bot. | 21:29 |
| fenn | will's webpage | 21:31 |
| fenn | "all it does is say hello" | 21:32 |
| kanzure_ | UtopiahGHML: How about a game that I can't beat in a week? | 22:01 |
| UtopiahGHML | Go | 22:01 |
| kanzure_ | Eh. | 22:01 |
| fenn | phantasy star III | 22:03 |
| * kanzure_ googles. | 22:03 | |
| kanzure_ | "Generations of DOOM". heh' | 22:04 |
| fenn | actually with all the maps and such that are out there now, you'd have a pretty easy time | 22:04 |
| fenn | i think that game shaped a large part of my worldview | 22:06 |
| kanzure_ | Ew, turn-based combat. | 22:07 |
| kanzure_ | I had enough of that from Pokemon. :/ | 22:07 |
| kanzure_ | Maybe I should break down and go get the latest pokemans. | 22:07 |
| kanzure_ | What are they up to now? I played through RGBYGSC and part of that fake green one. | 22:08 |
| kanzure_ | Oh, I guess I also played through a bit of the one after crystal, whatever that was. Ruby? Sapphire? bleh. I'll pretend to not know this. | 22:09 |
| fenn | never got into pokemon | 22:09 |
| kanzure_ | ah, emerald. | 22:10 |
| kanzure_ | yeah, that's good. Once you get into you realize there's nothing there, but you're "into it". | 22:10 |
| kanzure_ | Heh, the game sold a million copies in the first two days. | 22:14 |
| gene | No I am not a robot | 22:20 |
| gene | yet | 22:20 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/books/pokemon/ | 22:21 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/books/dexter/ | 22:21 |
| gene | Kanzure, I'm waiting for pokemon to run out of minerals and start using heavy elements | 22:22 |
| gene | like plutonium | 22:22 |
| gene | or iridium | 22:22 |
| gene | um.... | 22:25 |
| gene | kanzure | 22:25 |
| gene | there are somethings you don't put on the internets | 22:25 |
| gene | that's definately not a book | 22:26 |
| kanzure_ | ? | 22:26 |
| kanzure_ | There are many things that are not books in /books/ | 22:26 |
| gene | heh | 22:29 |
| gene | how did you get your website back up again | 22:29 |
| kanzure_ | Magic. | 22:29 |
| gene | Even more magic? | 22:30 |
| gene | oh yeah | 22:31 |
| gene | beware | 22:31 |
| gene | you know who supposedly offers money for turning in violators of cr | 22:32 |
| kanzure_ | cr? | 22:32 |
| gene | copyrights | 22:33 |
| kanzure_ | No, I refuse to admit any connection to copyright enforcement officers. | 22:33 |
| gene | I know you aren't one of them | 22:33 |
| gene | but someone in RAS was telling me about a reward for turning people in | 22:34 |
| kanzure_ | And you're for-profit? | 22:34 |
| gene | I don't turn people in | 22:35 |
| gene | that's evil | 22:35 |
| gene | besides the products I intend to sell | 22:36 |
| gene | are unlikely to be pirated by the people who buy them | 22:36 |
| gene | really | 22:38 |
| gene | the worst I have to worry about are chinese factories | 22:38 |
| fenn | you suck gene | 22:44 |
| gene | please specify why | 22:45 |
| fenn | you think of people sharing designs as pirating | 22:45 |
| gene | even if I release this product open sauce | 22:46 |
| gene | there won't be many people who make it theirselves | 22:46 |
| gene | you don't own a motorcycle do you fenn? | 22:50 |
| wrldpc | http://www.ustream.tv/channel/sunday-evening-update | 23:06 |
| wrldpc | Richard is livecasting from Convergence | 23:06 |
| wrldpc | in between talks right now | 23:06 |
| kanzure_ | Richard .. Dawkins? | 23:07 |
| kanzure_ | Also, why am I not at Convergence08? | 23:07 |
| kanzure_ | Didn't I buy plane tickets? | 23:07 |
| wrldpc | sorry not richard | 23:09 |
| wrldpc | Mind | 23:09 |
| wrldpc | lol | 23:09 |
| gene | I just see people walking around | 23:20 |
| gene | http://www.tuvie.com/algaster-harvesting-robot-for-future-agriculture | 23:29 |
| gene | algae harvesting FAIL | 23:29 |
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