| --- Day changed Fri Nov 21 2008 | ||
| fenn | i'm not sure whether to root for the pirates or not | 00:22 |
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| fenn | they should just launder the oil instead of trying to ransom it | 00:23 |
| nsh- | no, they should wire the oil up to a bomb | 00:34 |
| nsh- | that explodes if the tanker goes below | 00:34 |
| nsh- | (*dum dum dum*) | 00:34 |
| nsh- | 4 knots | 00:34 |
| nsh- | it's be incredibly prolonged suspense | 00:34 |
| nsh- | *it'd | 00:34 |
| kanzure | doesn't it travel at 3? | 00:34 |
| nsh- | makes it more of a challenge | 00:35 |
| fenn | nsh-: i guess then they'd have to ramp the tanker off the edge of the world | 00:36 |
| kanzure | heh | 00:36 |
| kanzure | I wonder why they don't just bother stealing the tanker itself. | 00:40 |
| kanzure | they obviously have some of the weapons they need, | 00:40 |
| kanzure | and it's a great source of metals | 00:40 |
| kanzure | they could then go steal twice as many tankers | 00:40 |
| fenn | metals? | 00:41 |
| fenn | pirates dont build ships | 00:41 |
| fenn | and besides, it's full of oil | 00:41 |
| fenn | where are they going to put all that oil | 00:41 |
| fenn | if they need metals they steal ships carrying metal | 00:41 |
| kanzure | no, I don't think they should build ships | 00:42 |
| kanzure | they should steal them .. | 00:42 |
| kanzure | that's what pirates do.. | 00:42 |
| kanzure | and then use the ships to steal more ships, no? | 00:42 |
| kanzure | oh well. | 00:42 |
| fenn | presumably this generates money at some point | 00:43 |
| kanzure | A | 01:17 |
| kanzure | +post on orions_arm about "forced transapience". | 01:18 |
| kanzure | fenn, the naysayer is back | 02:00 |
| kanzure | "I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm saying it would not be optimal / efficient given the set of tools available to average hobbyist or DIYer today. Maybe I misunderstand - do you have an example of what would be a consistent way to describe a design and/or a manufacturing process?" | 02:00 |
| kanzure | the example, I have | 02:01 |
| kanzure | but the average hobbyist surely has some baseline set of tools | 02:01 |
| kanzure | hands to fold origami, | 02:01 |
| kanzure | tools in a shed, or friends with tools to make more tools, etc. | 02:01 |
| kanzure | it's actually a friendly naysayer, I don't really mind him that much | 02:16 |
| fenn | if all you have are hands, even plain text english isnt the best way to describe something | 02:17 |
| kanzure | say, do you have any gait issues? | 02:18 |
| fenn | reference eric hunting rant about flat pack furniture and gundam toys | 02:18 |
| fenn | i wonder why i can't remember the name of the company that makes flat pack furniture | 02:18 |
| fenn | starts with an I | 02:18 |
| fenn | what gait issues in particular? | 02:19 |
| fenn | i dont particularly enjoy walking long distances, most people seem to walk too fast too | 02:19 |
| kanzure | just wondering, motor abnormalities | 02:20 |
| fenn | Ikea, hah.. i kept thinking "Ikeda" (japanese last name) | 02:21 |
| fenn | i've been accused of sneaking around on tiptoes on multiple occasions | 02:22 |
| kanzure | stealing cookies? | 02:22 |
| kanzure | heh. | 02:22 |
| fenn | also accused of "posing" whatever that means | 02:22 |
| fenn | nothing i could call a "defect" though | 02:23 |
| fenn | http://www.morgana.co.uk/assets/Staples.jpg | 02:24 |
| fenn | oops | 02:25 |
| fenn | http://failblog.org/2008/11/17/sign-win/ | 02:25 |
| kanzure | http://geneoracle.com/ add to list of http://e-oligos.com/ http://mrgene.com/ | 02:49 |
| kanzure | geneoracle claims up to 1 KB/day | 02:49 |
| kanzure | Huh. House uses ultrasound at 100 kHz to make a little kid have alien hallucinations. But this on the brain-surface. | 02:53 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/DNA_synthesizer#Other_stuff added a list at the bottom .. | 02:55 |
| * kanzure wants a failblog | 02:59 | |
| kanzure | No, wait. A Fail Lab. | 02:59 |
| kanzure | We study teh fails. | 02:59 |
| gene | you can't watch Haruhi on Hulu fenn | 04:51 |
| gene | lol piracy | 05:50 |
| gene | piracy of lols | 05:50 |
| kanzure_ | http://royal.pingdom.com/2008/11/14/the-worlds-most-super-designed-data-center-fit-for-a-james-bond-villain/ | 09:08 |
| kanzure_ | Alright, so we get it, it used to be a bomb bunker; but isn't the fog in the working spaces a little much? | 09:08 |
| kanzure_ | Also, what's with publishing the schematic of the building? | 09:08 |
| kanzure | Hi Aulere. | 09:16 |
| Aulere | Hi Kanzure | 09:23 |
| UtopiahGHML | who brought up the subject of stigmergic collaboration few days ago? | 09:36 |
| fenn | paul fernhout | 09:37 |
| UtopiahGHML | know what made him think about it? | 09:38 |
| fenn | these interlocking containers are neat - wish they came in more sizes than (18mm)^3 and 3x long | 09:38 |
| fenn | oops, link: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.4580 | 09:39 |
| fenn | UtopiahGHML: nope, he's into a lot of cool stuff though | 09:39 |
| UtopiahGHML | ok, thank you fenn | 09:40 |
| UtopiahGHML | (wtf mind42 just drop my entire map or what...) | 09:53 |
| UtopiahGHML | (it saved it 4 times or more, published it and now it's empty wtf) | 09:54 |
| UtopiahGHML | :( | 09:54 |
| UtopiahGHML | oh they have revisions, thank you oh great Flying Spaghetti Monster | 10:00 |
| fenn | web-based services ftw, i guess | 10:14 |
| fenn | of course i'd rather have the file too | 10:14 |
| UtopiahGHML | regarding web-based services I will soon start an AGPL server so if you have suggestion or ideas, Im all ears | 10:18 |
| UtopiahGHML | basically I dont want to have to rely on Google or other service providers, have my data stuck, not knowing what is going on, etc | 10:19 |
| UtopiahGHML | and of course be able to plug in and out my data in all different ways | 10:19 |
| UtopiahGHML | which is difficult with limited vendors API and not really in the FOSS spirit | 10:19 |
| UtopiahGHML | anybody can relate to today Dilbert's cartoon? ;) http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2008-11-21/ | 10:28 |
| UtopiahGHML | (using AJAX based tools with Vimperator and ClearForst Gnosis with Firefox starts to be pretty cumbersome) | 10:47 |
| UtopiahGHML | Eurekster just got eaten by Google with "Google wiki" or what? | 11:37 |
| fenn | optical finger mouse, for mobile computing: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.2695 | 12:28 |
| fenn | has a nice "borg" look to it, i say | 12:30 |
| fenn | hmm apparently it has to be really close to the surface to work.. nevermind | 12:32 |
| kanzure | I'm so pathetic. The main thing keeping me from wearables these days is the plastic structure for a head mount. | 12:43 |
| UtopiahGHML | when you say wearables you mind things like Emotiv/NeuroSky EEG headset? | 12:45 |
| UtopiahGHML | \you mean\ | 12:45 |
| kanzure | UtopiahGHML: If you want something useful to do, go make me a Semantic Search Facilitator that keeps track and manages Google search sessions with what is basically a frame on the side of the window keeping track of recent searches and suggested mutations via filtering through WordNet. | 12:45 |
| kanzure | UtopiahGHML: No, those do not count. | 12:46 |
| kanzure | UtopiahGHML: I'm actually talking about the cyborg monocular head mounts. | 12:46 |
| UtopiahGHML | things on that direction http://www.cyberpunkreview.com/cyberpunked-living/socan-you-make-me-a-cyborg/ ? | 12:47 |
| kanzure | Yawn, we've been talking about removing eyes since the dawn of man when it comes to transhumanism. | 12:48 |
| UtopiahGHML | kanzure: regarind your desired "Semantic Search Facilitator" do you mean sth like http://www.exalead.fr | 12:48 |
| kanzure | I even suggested it to my gf, but she couldn't see it through. har har har. | 12:48 |
| kanzure | UtopiahGHML: No. | 12:49 |
| UtopiahGHML | you've tride their "narrow your search" pannel already | 12:49 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.cs.jyu.fi/ai/OntoGroup/InBCT_May_2004.html | 12:49 |
| kanzure | I'm not interested in "narrow your search". | 12:50 |
| kanzure | Argh, you also haven't been listening to me I take it? | 12:50 |
| kanzure | why do I bother ranting if nobody's going to listen | 12:50 |
| UtopiahGHML | funny that you repeat this sentence several time with different person | 12:51 |
| kanzure | It's not funny! It's terribly, terribly sad :-( | 12:51 |
| UtopiahGHML | well, communication is a difficult process but once again if you don't smile at adversity your life will probably suck | 12:52 |
| kanzure | this has nothing to do with communication being difficult, and more to do with you not reading your backlogs or something. | 12:53 |
| UtopiahGHML | right, I should know the whole history of this channel since it exists | 12:53 |
| UtopiahGHML | I should also know the whole history of humanity | 12:53 |
| UtopiahGHML | and the university | 12:53 |
| kanzure | ideally :) but I'm pretty sure I've talked about it since you've been showing up | 12:53 |
| UtopiahGHML | and the universe | 12:54 |
| UtopiahGHML | thing is, I didn't make it (yet) | 12:54 |
| kanzure | make what ?? | 12:54 |
| UtopiahGHML | gather and understood the whole backlog of the universe | 12:54 |
| kanzure | I've still mentioned it numerous times since you've started showing up though. | 12:55 |
| UtopiahGHML | and if you didn't it's in the log or the wiki Im sure | 12:57 |
| UtopiahGHML | anyway if Exalead doesn't make it you can try http://www.altsearchengines.com/ they have plenty of alternatives | 12:58 |
| UtopiahGHML | Id personnaly just make a greasemonkey script to call wordnet API or whatever but that would only work with FF without modif | 12:58 |
| kanzure | I'm not interested in alternative search engines, wtf man. | 12:58 |
| kanzure | UtopiahGHML: yeah, exactly | 12:58 |
| kanzure | also, greasemonkey does work with opera fwiw | 12:59 |
| kanzure | greasemonkey userscripts, I mean | 12:59 |
| UtopiahGHML | (eventually using OpenCalais.com API too) | 13:03 |
| UtopiahGHML | and I was suggestion altsearchengines.com because maybe one of those are actually already providing this kind of services | 13:04 |
| kanzure | Don't care, want my own. | 13:05 |
| kanzure | Are you going to make it or not ? You seemed like you were probing for things to do. | 13:06 |
| UtopiahGHML | (could also use DBpedia.org and redirections from wikipedia to refine I guess) | 13:06 |
| UtopiahGHML | well thank you for the proposition but Im already behind schedule | 13:07 |
| kanzure | hellooo | 13:09 |
| kanzure | http://tootoo.com/ | 13:09 |
| kanzure | http://21food.cn/ | 13:12 |
| kanzure | UtopiahGHML: Have you ever used phpmyadmin? | 13:47 |
| kanzure | There's this feature where you can select rows of results with your mouse. There's an onmouseover effect that changes the color of the tables, and if you click you select them (onmousedown). Simple enough. | 13:47 |
| kanzure | I'm wondering why gmail still hasn't implemented this. | 13:47 |
| kanzure | It's hardly a huge change. | 13:47 |
| kanzure | Huh. Opera 9.6 finally keeps track of bookmark-creation-date when you add to the bookmark manager via drag-and-drop. Yay. | 13:51 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&client=opera&rls=en&hs=rhW&q=mrgene+e-oligos&btnG=Search <- Aw. The results are me. | 13:56 |
| kanzure_ | "And when man keyed the queries to the mighty search engines of the information age, what he found was his own face staring back at himself." | 13:57 |
| kanzure_ | http://pni.unibe.ch/MailList.htm TMS mailing list from the "international society for tms" | 14:14 |
| kanzure_ | http://pni.unibe.ch/Chip.htm "EMG amplifier" | 14:16 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.sourcetool.com/ hm. | 14:40 |
| kanzure_ | from http://www.tradecomet.com/ | 14:40 |
| kanzure_ | from http://searchenginewatch.com/3552296 | 14:40 |
| kanzure_ | "The first speaker was Michael Doyle, vice president business development for TradeComet and the former VP Business Development of Thomas B2B, a division of Thomas Publishing Co." | 14:40 |
| kanzure_ | "Doyle talked about "new directions in B2B search." He said, "Company product specification data needs to be published in indexable formats" that meet standards like the United Nations Standard Products and Services Code (UNSPSC). This would "allow companies to include themselves in a standard index if they adopt general standards" or use software tools to classify their products, he added." | 14:40 |
| kanzure_ | Too bad they just have a directory of companies that fit UNSPSC. | 14:41 |
| * kanzure_ leaves. | 14:42 | |
| kanzure_ | overlaying seekda on that might be cool though. | 14:42 |
| -!- Matt- is now known as Maattt | 15:59 | |
| Maattt | Hi. | 16:00 |
| Maattt | Who are all these people? | 16:00 |
| -!- Maattt_ is now known as Maattt | 16:54 | |
| kanzure | Hi Maattt. | 17:05 |
| Maattt | Whoa, you could have used my real name :) | 17:06 |
| Maattt | Class is over? | 17:06 |
| kanzure | It's tab completion. Maa<tab> ==> Maattt | 17:07 |
| Maattt | Ha, cool. | 17:08 |
| Maattt | Was that a class only for super advanced people? | 17:08 |
| Maattt | Cause everything went over my head :/ | 17:08 |
| kanzure | It goes over everyone's head actually. | 17:08 |
| kanzure | Today was just about different regions of the brain involved in figuring out from which direction a sound comes from as an example of some circuitry in the brai. | 17:09 |
| kanzure | Which I guess kind of sucks since it wasn't about simulations :-). | 17:09 |
| Maattt | I was reading the first lecture that you typed up, about strong AI. It was very interesting. | 17:09 |
| Maattt | I think it's interesting how you actually type 'um' whenever the professor says it. | 17:10 |
| kanzure | Heh. Yeah, it's also kind of useless at the same time. | 17:10 |
| kanzure | Strong AI is a big topic around here (sometimes). | 17:10 |
| kanzure | Have you heard of things like 'the singularity' ? | 17:10 |
| Maattt | Of course. Machines self improve and self replicate to the point of overcoming anything humans can make! | 17:11 |
| kanzure | Something like that. | 17:12 |
| kanzure | So I've been invited to a meetup group for these topics, it's a transhuman/cryopreservation group in Austin, | 17:12 |
| Maattt | sweet | 17:13 |
| kanzure | called CryoFeast, a thanksgiving feast on December 7 | 17:13 |
| kanzure | They want me to bring some UT students other than myself :-) | 17:13 |
| kanzure | There's at least two others who are somewhat interested in attending | 17:13 |
| Maattt | Do you think I'd know what they're talking about? | 17:13 |
| kanzure | It's all sorts of topics. Alcor ( http://alcor.org/ - and student discounts) and other various topics .. it's social more than technical at this point | 17:14 |
| Maattt | Oh okay cool, I'll be glad to come. | 17:14 |
| kanzure | http://maxmore.com/ and http://natasha.cc/ are the hosts :-) | 17:14 |
| Maattt | Is December 7 after Thanksgiving break? | 17:14 |
| kanzure | yeah | 17:15 |
| kanzure | isn't it? | 17:15 |
| Maattt | just checking :P | 17:15 |
| Maattt | :p | 17:15 |
| Maattt | lol, messing with the emoticons | 17:15 |
| Maattt | [|:D-|-< | 17:16 |
| Maattt | That's a guy with a hat. | 17:16 |
| kanzure | Maattt: Have you ever seen http://orionsarm.com/ ? | 17:21 |
| Maattt | Checking it out now. | 17:25 |
| Maattt | Whoa, that's crazy. It's like an entire server full of fanfic :D | 17:26 |
| Maattt | I'm going somewhere. How do I change my status? | 17:42 |
| Maattt | Oh, got it | 17:42 |
| xp_prg | hi all! | 18:04 |
| kanzure | Hi. | 18:07 |
| -!- Maattt_ is now known as Maattt | 19:09 | |
| -!- Maattt_ is now known as Maattt | 19:25 | |
| kanzure | Hey Maattt. | 21:17 |
| kanzure | Oh, that was two hours ago. | 21:17 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.almaden.ibm.com/cs/people/dmodha/ | 21:56 |
| kanzure_ | I guess he's the IBM side of the Blue Brain project. | 21:56 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.bambam131.com/artofboolean.htm Spaceship models, schematics in jpg form not easy to see | 22:41 |
| kanzure_ | but otherwise interesting | 22:42 |
| kanzure_ | for instance, | 22:42 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.bambam131.com/artofboolean/artofboolean44a.jpg | 22:42 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.metafilter.com/44422/Spaceship-renderings-and-I-dont-mean-melted-fat is where I got that from | 22:43 |
| kanzure_ | http://origami.joyfulnoisewebdesign.com/index.php?starts_with=e origami model database (references only) | 22:44 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=1244521&postcount=10 | 22:52 |
| fenn | origami database sucks | 23:21 |
| fenn | it doesnt even have any content, just references to dead trees | 23:22 |
| fenn | physicsforums guy's process SUCKS | 23:24 |
| kanzure | heh | 23:30 |
| kanzure | What if that's really how he did it? | 23:30 |
| fenn | that is how they do it | 23:30 |
| kanzure | and if it worked too? | 23:30 |
| fenn | it doesnt mean i have to like it | 23:30 |
| kanzure | right | 23:30 |
| kanzure | but somehow it "works out in the end" | 23:30 |
| kanzure | and people don't seem to mind. | 23:30 |
| kanzure | I mean, the people that matter | 23:30 |
| fenn | if you consider our broken, bland, backwards world "works out in the end" | 23:31 |
| kanzure | that get to influence how to make projects happen | 23:31 |
| kanzure | hm | 23:31 |
| kanzure | good point. | 23:31 |
| kanzure | Maybe it's all a scam, all that "profit" | 23:31 |
| fenn | it is | 23:31 |
| kanzure | (being serious) | 23:31 |
| kanzure | right | 23:31 |
| kanzure | but then why do they claim their projects successful? | 23:31 |
| kanzure | maybe we need a new success metric | 23:31 |
| kanzure | or none at all | 23:31 |
| kanzure | ideally none :) | 23:32 |
| fenn | fenn's (correct) design procedure: | 23:34 |
| fenn | start out with a vaguely defined goal, and lots of extra features | 23:34 |
| fenn | look around to see what's available | 23:34 |
| fenn | throw a bunch of crap in a room with three engineers and a coffee maker, and lock the door for a week | 23:35 |
| kanzure_ | holy crap I've been using the wrong terminology re: MEAs | 23:35 |
| kanzure_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrocorticography | 23:35 |
| kanzure_ | found via http://www.technologyreview.com/biomedicine/21699/ | 23:36 |
| fenn | that's good news | 23:37 |
| kanzure | oh wait | 23:38 |
| kanzure | this is just intercranial EEG | 23:38 |
| kanzure | with macro-size electrodes | 23:38 |
| fenn | yes | 23:39 |
| kanzure | In the article they talk of a foldable mesh of electrodes that could be pushed through a tiny drilled hole, and then unfold within the skull, and stick to the brain with some wetness bonding agent | 23:40 |
| kanzure | but | 23:41 |
| fenn | how do they get it back out? | 23:41 |
| kanzure | they go fishing I guess | 23:41 |
| kanzure | I also don't understand if they close up the hole, how would this be made to be wireless? | 23:41 |
| fenn | with purpletooth technology | 23:42 |
| kanzure | hrm? | 23:42 |
| kanzure | Google isn't being helpful | 23:42 |
| fenn | just some ultra-specialized implant chip | 23:43 |
| kanzure | that's unfortunate. | 23:43 |
| kanzure | I mean, it's not easy to make those by hand | 23:43 |
| fenn | it's not easy to make anything by hand | 23:43 |
| kanzure | in fact I'm not even sure how anybody ever convinced CyberNetics (or whatever the company is) to tool their semiconductor line for MEAs | 23:43 |
| kanzure | CyberKinetics? | 23:43 |
| kanzure | it's the one that does the Ohio MEA, the one with an 10x10 or 100x100 electrode array | 23:43 |
| fenn | why do they need special semiconductors for that? | 23:44 |
| kanzure | maybe this was just me making stuff up, that's quite possible | 23:44 |
| kanzure | I thought they were rolling these off the production line with the electrodes | 23:44 |
| kanzure | so they were manufacturing these using some etching process, but maybe not? | 23:44 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/neuro/ | 23:45 |
| kanzure | guess I should go back and read the 'materials and methods' sections.. | 23:45 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/neuro/32-channel%20microelectrode%20120%20mm.pdf <- this one just shows a drive connector thingy on a PCB wired up to the end of the electrode tips | 23:49 |
| kanzure | "100 1.5-mm electrodes spaced at 400-micron intervals" | 23:50 |
| fenn | well this is interesting; open source electric racecar (another project of vik olliver): | 23:51 |
| fenn | http://www.greenstage.co.nz/ | 23:51 |
| fenn | http://blog.greenstage.co.nz/ | 23:51 |
| kanzure | I wonder what the sponsorship on that thing will be. | 23:52 |
| fenn | well seeing how it's built i'd guess they already have sponsors | 23:53 |
| kanzure | "Look! We be green, we be sponsoring open source car." | 23:53 |
| kanzure | Paul's reply in "The Open Enterprise" might be his Markov debug log | 23:57 |
| kanzure | take a look -- that's clearly a copy and pate | 23:57 |
| fenn | hehehe | 23:57 |
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