| --- Day changed Mon Dec 01 2008 | ||
| fenn | who's keeping who out of jobs? | 00:23 |
|---|---|---|
| kanzure | "the new master race" | 00:24 |
| fenn | oh i see | 00:26 |
| fenn | i really dont think genetics should be a part of "transhumanism" until we can actually do something useful | 00:27 |
| kanzure | transhumanism is too vague, what are you talking about? | 00:27 |
| fenn | til then it's just medicine | 00:27 |
| fenn | after all, eugenics isn't really going to help anyone who's already been born | 00:29 |
| kanzure | that's a nice counter argument to set people straight. | 00:29 |
| fenn | free gene surgery for anyone that wants it! | 00:30 |
| fenn | my problem with arguments against eugenics is you can say pretty much the same thing about cars or organic food or college education | 00:35 |
| kanzure | meh, the issue IMHO is that WTA is giving out material that makes people think it's about eugenics and government politics | 00:36 |
| fenn | i dont mind communist utopia dreamers, and we really "should" all have access to these things too | 00:36 |
| kanzure | when in reality the idea is personal enhancement, as personal as my computer's configuration | 00:36 |
| fenn | WTA just wants to take over the world | 00:37 |
| fenn | one donation at a time :P | 00:37 |
| kanzure | how much pain have they caused me over the years by now | 00:38 |
| kanzure | "lots" ? | 00:38 |
| fenn | sue! | 00:38 |
| kanzure | heh | 00:38 |
| fenn | millions of dollars worth of emotional damage i'd say | 00:38 |
| kanzure | sign here: --> ________________________ | 00:38 |
| kanzure | NOTE: DO NOT TAKE PEN TO MONITOR | 00:38 |
| * fenn re-caps sharpie | 00:39 | |
| fenn | both parents gone, i'm eating vegan food, and money in my pocket. i declare this a successful thanksgiving | 00:40 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.ualberta.ca/~cwant/blender/stl.py for face in mesh.faces: | 00:40 |
| kanzure_ | self.writeFace(mesh.vertices[face[0]],mesh.vertices[face[1]],mesh.vertices[face[2]]) | 00:40 |
| kanzure_ | if mesh.vertices[face[3]]: | 00:40 |
| kanzure_ | self.writeFace(mesh.vertices[face[0]],mesh.vertices[face[2]],mesh.vertices[face[3]]) | 00:40 |
| kanzure_ | didn't know STL was so simple | 00:41 |
| fenn | yep | 00:41 |
| fenn | that's the point after all | 00:41 |
| fenn | clockwise/ccw lets you know which is inside or outside (i think) | 00:41 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.ennex.com/~fabbers/StL.asp | 00:42 |
| kanzure | bleh, I said I'd have this done by tomorrow, it's supposed to be simpler than this | 00:43 |
| kanzure | what's so hard about giving a program a list of points and then spitting out a 3D file format that is universally globally loved and accepted by everything | 00:44 |
| fenn | well? | 00:44 |
| fenn | hmm. two hours and two gigs of swap later, and acrobat isnt done converting this djvu->ps file | 00:50 |
| kanzure | wee, zip -R papers.zip papers/ is the wrong way to do it. zip -r is for recursion. | 00:50 |
| fenn | i hate pdf as much as the next guy, but what is the point of djvu? | 00:50 |
| * kanzure is the next guy evidently. | 00:51 | |
| fenn | huh. origami has the same vertex-to-vertex requirement as STL | 01:00 |
| kanzure | remember me talking about unfolding 3D objects earlier today? | 01:01 |
| kanzure | ahem. | 01:01 |
| kanzure | in ASCII STL files, what's facet normal n_i, n_j, n_k supposed to be? | 01:10 |
| kanzure | the n coords in particular, what do these represent? | 01:10 |
| kanzure_ | 'In both ASCII and binary versions of STL, the facet normal should be a unit vector pointing outwards from the solid object. In most software this may be set to (0,0,0) and the software will automatically calculate a normal based on the order of the triangle vertices using the 'right hand rule'. ' | 01:12 |
| fenn | i,j,k are vector coordinates like x,y,z | 01:16 |
| fenn | facet normal is the vector perpendicular to the plane of the triangle | 01:17 |
| kanzure | yes yes, wikipedia has schooled me. | 01:17 |
| Ghost` | Vegan food! Awesome | 01:19 |
| Ghost` | I wish i had the money to get organic too | 01:19 |
| fenn | eggplant stew. i added caraway seeds though, which were totally not what i thought they would taste like | 01:23 |
| Ghost` | let me translate those names, justa sec =) | 01:26 |
| Ghost` | hmm.. sounds nice.. | 01:28 |
| Ghost` | caraway seeds (just a sec) | 01:29 |
| Ghost` | ahh nice | 01:31 |
| Ghost` | my father likes caraway a lot | 01:31 |
| fenn | i do too, usually, but these were very bitter | 01:31 |
| Ghost` | lol | 01:32 |
| Ghost` | oh.. just thought to clarify something i said earlier, might have been misunderstood.. | 01:37 |
| Ghost` | I said I only started downloading movies and series, etc, because the really important (for me anyway) I already did... besides wikipedia, and a more comprehensive dictionary (ies) | 01:37 |
| fenn | it is often the case that there are no intermediate states -- no subsets of the creases -- that can be folded together, which would form the individual steps. For such a model, the only way to assemble the model is to precrease all of the creases, then gently coerce them all to come together at once with a minimum of bodging. | 01:46 |
| kanzure | I knew it! .. I was feeling kind of cheaty when I was precreasing my superdog origami shape yesterday | 01:49 |
| fenn | kanzure: http://chosetec.darkclan.net/origami/ironman/ | 01:51 |
| fenn | that guy has some totally awesome origami | 01:51 |
| kanzure | Hah. | 01:53 |
| * kanzure is listening to the Iron Man 2008 soundtrack at the moment | 01:54 | |
| fenn | http://chosetec.darkclan.net/origami/brain/ | 01:54 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/books/music/01%20-%20Driving%20With%20The%20Top%20Down.mp3 | 01:55 |
| kanzure | I like the title: "The long term effect of an MIT education" | 01:55 |
| kanzure | *origami brain* | 01:55 |
| kanzure | hm, what's that gimp tool that takes an image and converts it into an outline form? | 02:01 |
| fenn | autotrace | 02:03 |
| fenn | it's part of inkscape (and imho works better if you use it in inkscape) | 02:03 |
| Ghost` | I like the title: "The long term effect of an MIT education" | 02:23 |
| Ghost` | LOL.. this is the title for what? | 02:23 |
| kanzure | Look at the link. | 02:29 |
| kanzure | the origami/brain/ link that fenn gave | 02:29 |
| kanzure | fenn: ! I finally got STL output, load it up into blender and I see a damn cube. why do I see a damn cube. | 02:30 |
| fenn | are your normals the wrong way? | 02:32 |
| kanzure | it said my normals may be 0 0 0 | 02:32 |
| kanzure | http://viewstl.sf.net/ | 02:34 |
| -!- genehacher is now known as gene | 02:35 | |
| kanzure | viewstl correctly counts the number of polygons | 02:40 |
| kanzure | but doesn't show anything. | 02:40 |
| fenn | try changing the order you write the vertices | 02:40 |
| gene | what are you doing? | 02:42 |
| kanzure | generating an STL file | 02:43 |
| gene | why are you using STLs? | 02:43 |
| kanzure | because VTKs were taking too long | 02:43 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/bioreactor/membraneless_filtration/mytest.stl | 02:43 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/bioreactor/membraneless_filtration/spiralgen.pl | 02:43 |
| kanzure | spiralgen isn't really spiralgen though, it's more like "make one cross section" | 02:43 |
| gene | did you make a model of a spiral? | 02:44 |
| kanzure | gene: the issue at the moment is that even though I'm making an STL file, blender & viewstl doesn't show it | 02:44 |
| gene | use art of illusion | 02:44 |
| gene | there | 02:44 |
| gene | there's a thing on the Reprap website on how to view STLs | 02:45 |
| kanzure | why wouldn't blender show it though | 02:45 |
| kanzure | I suspect it's my generator that is somewhat wrong | 02:45 |
| kanzure | blender just loads up a whole friggin' cube | 02:45 |
| gene | because blender got fucked up | 02:45 |
| kanzure | and that's not what I'm displaying | 02:45 |
| kanzure | *what I'm generating | 02:45 |
| kanzure | why did you write it in Processing? | 02:46 |
| kanzure | and does it have STL/3DS/X/VTK output? | 02:46 |
| gene | no | 02:46 |
| kanzure | It has to be in a format that openfoam's mesher is going to be able to use | 02:46 |
| gene | it should draw a spiral | 02:46 |
| gene | why? | 02:46 |
| kanzure | for CFD. | 02:47 |
| gene | because I've been playing around with processing | 02:47 |
| kanzure | can't just have a pretty picture :/ | 02:47 |
| gene | someone found out how to CFD in processing | 02:47 |
| kanzure | sure, if you write your own PDE solver | 02:47 |
| fenn | someone found out how to fold animals from uncut pieces of paper.. | 02:47 |
| gene | it isn't optimized so openFoam makes sense | 02:47 |
| kanzure | fenn: still oogling? | 02:48 |
| fenn | no, i'm done | 02:48 |
| kanzure | oo-gl-ing. | 02:48 |
| fenn | uh, what? | 02:49 |
| kanzure | eyeing, I guess | 02:49 |
| fenn | well, i feel like i understand how it works now at least | 02:49 |
| fenn | i can look at a crease pattern and see how to translate it into 3d | 02:50 |
| fenn | i still think it's a total waste of time | 02:50 |
| * kanzure wants a program to fold crease patterns into shapes. | 02:50 | |
| kanzure | for what use? | 02:50 |
| fenn | for making paper models | 02:50 |
| gene | there's a program that already does that | 02:51 |
| kanzure | yeah, we're talking about it. | 02:51 |
| fenn | treemaker doesnt show you the 3d end result | 02:51 |
| fenn | (does it?) | 02:51 |
| kanzure | webEOS shows you a 2D end result | 02:51 |
| gene | in fact there's a program that can figure out how to fold stuff using cells | 02:51 |
| kanzure | treemaker has a 2D view as well, but it sucks | 02:51 |
| kanzure | gene: why not just tell us the program | 02:51 |
| gene | because I don't remember the program | 02:52 |
| gene | it was in Seed | 02:52 |
| kanzure | magazine? | 02:52 |
| gene | http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~rad/phd/Progmat/thesis/origami.html | 02:52 |
| gene | found it | 02:52 |
| kanzure | yeah, the MIT amorphous computing group | 02:53 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Amorphous_computing | 02:53 |
| kanzure | there was no download though | 02:54 |
| gene | now if we could only grow cell sheets as strong as paper | 02:55 |
| fenn | cells can grow though, unlike paper | 02:55 |
| fenn | so you can make a sphere with no creases | 02:55 |
| gene | now what does it take to grow wood in a dish | 02:57 |
| fenn | heh vat-grown lumber | 02:57 |
| fenn | plywood would work better i think | 02:58 |
| fenn | or rolled tubes | 02:59 |
| kanzure | okay, I'm going to go eat, then read through a few thousand pages of Hofstadter, and simultaneously somehow come up with the super big ADL presentation I'm doing tomorrow | 03:03 |
| kanzure | yay deadlines | 03:03 |
| kanzure | "I love the wooshing sound they make" | 03:03 |
| bkero | kanzure: Have you read An Eternal Golden Braid? | 03:09 |
| fenn | that's the assignment | 03:10 |
| bkero | It's painful | 03:10 |
| bkero | I've read the first few chapters and did some of the exercises | 03:10 |
| drazak | do you guys know of any researcher sin buffalo? | 03:14 |
| kanzure | yes | 03:20 |
| drazak | who? | 03:24 |
| drazak | I live in buffalo, and I'm trying to get in some place and clean glassware and stuff | 03:24 |
| kanzure | VOICED guys in buffalo | 03:24 |
| kanzure | ah, wrong type of lab my friend | 03:24 |
| drazak | anything biochemical/medical whatever | 03:25 |
| Ghost` | thousands?! | 03:33 |
| kanzure | <-- can read fast when he's physically coerced into doing it. | 03:34 |
| Ghost` | lol | 03:35 |
| Ghost` | but | 03:35 |
| Ghost` | hofstadter really have those many pages?! | 03:36 |
| percent | hey, fags | 03:57 |
| percent | what's up? | 03:57 |
| percent | you guys busy being GAY? | 03:57 |
| percent | I'm having problems with ARCING in my VACUUM FURNACE | 03:57 |
| percent | and all the PHD students are too DUMB to realize it has JACK SHIT to do with the fucking VACUUM | 03:57 |
| percent | I literally had two phd students argue with me for ten minutes, insisting that the pressure readout was in torr, not mmHg | 03:59 |
| percent | they would not listen to me when i told them that they were the same thing | 03:59 |
| kanzure | grr | 04:10 |
| kanzure | next time I'll be sure to open the file | 04:10 |
| kanzure | because "0 1 0" for every vertex point is obviously wrong. | 04:10 |
| kanzure | *vertice. | 04:10 |
| percent | kanzure: Are all phd students stupid | 04:15 |
| kanzure | Yes, except for the one that did phdcomics. He was secretly the smart one. | 04:22 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=1096 | 04:26 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=1093 oh god it's true. | 04:30 |
| kanzure | Hrm, why don't we have a proper transhuman webcomic yet | 04:41 |
| kanzure | it'd be ridiculously easy to do | 04:41 |
| kanzure | a few panels about mainchar's crazy idea, last two panels about the consequences | 04:41 |
| kanzure | I used to run a webcomic involving characters that I had met online | 04:42 |
| kanzure | it ran for ~20 strips | 04:42 |
| kanzure | hm, when I use CADpart.py in /usr/share/vtk/Rendering/Python/, it shows a triangle going through a rectangle | 04:52 |
| gene | this reminds me of how mistreated our sonicator is kanzure | 05:14 |
| gene | it has fucking pits in it | 05:14 |
| -!- percent is now known as jihaaad | 05:43 | |
| willPow3r | http://www.zoomilife.com/2008/11/25/battery-life-breakthrough-could-increase-li-ion-capacity-by-1000/ | 09:13 |
| bkero | If I had a nickel for every time I've heard that. | 09:14 |
| willPow3r | you'd have a nickel? | 09:14 |
| bkero | I'd have enough nickels to make a bag of realistic proportions to teabag you with. | 09:15 |
| willPow3r | fortunately, it doesn't require many nickels to do that | 09:16 |
| drazak | lol | 12:19 |
| drazak | that percent dude, maybe someone should tell me that torr=mmhg | 12:19 |
| kanzure | fenn: zip stopped at 2.1 GB for the zip file. | 13:37 |
| kanzure | fenn: Any ideas on how to tell zip to stagger the zipping process so that when the file size limit is reached, it starts a new file to archive in? | 13:37 |
| kanzure | and it was getting about 6% compression on each file | 13:37 |
| kanzure_ | http://brain-game.sf.net/ http://neocortex.sf.net/ hierarchical bayesian memory-prediction-framework re: Jeff Hawkins | 13:44 |
| kanzure_ | I wish I had a neat name like Vernon Mountcastle | 13:44 |
| kanzure | Heh. Sending in a book review an hour before the deadline and the professor replies within 2 minutes .. yeah. | 14:28 |
| Utopiah | someone know a script to visualize the genesis of a wikipedia page? adding/removing/re-organizing information in a fast animation (javascript/flash or even a generated video) with indicators (like stability of a specific sentence, tags, etc...) ? | 15:04 |
| Utopiah | (sth like http://www.research.ibm.com/visual/projects.html but thanks to which we can directly see the article evolve till its current state) | 15:20 |
| gene | you there kanzure | 18:58 |
| gene | ... | 19:07 |
| gene | kanzure? | 19:08 |
| gene | kanzure? | 20:34 |
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