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| splicer | hi Kanzure. Sorry for the latency | 00:00 |
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| gene | thaw the beetles? | 00:04 |
| ybit | kanzure, heh, i've scanned it and read interesting subjects | 00:05 |
| ybit | i've been meaning to do the same with open-virgle | 00:05 |
| kanzure_- | openvirgle and om are practically the same thing, although there might be more stuff about the beginnings of skdb in openvirgle | 00:12 |
| * kanzure_- leaves for home | 00:12 | |
| fenn | what's "hb"? | 00:14 |
| kanzure | fenn: ybit called heybryan.org "hb" a few weeks ago | 00:31 |
| kanzure | yay eric replied coherently to patrick .. let's see if patrick gets it yet | 00:32 |
| kanzure_ | http://robinhanson.typepad.com/overcomingbias/ "To a first approximation, the future will either be a singleton, a single integrated power choosing the future of everything" | 00:35 |
| kanzure_ | ... | 00:35 |
| kanzure_ | I know, I know, "super ai rawr" | 00:35 |
| * fenn mumbles about USA vs Russia yielding USA vs nobody in particular | 00:38 | |
| kanzure_ | " | 00:39 |
| kanzure_ | So we need to either to work on a friendly singleton if a singleton is feasible, work on imposing further selection effects to encourage friendliness (using evolution as a singleton) or somehow ensure that all the initial competitors will be friendly, so that there are no unfriendly lineages." | 00:39 |
| kanzure_ | god this is all so stupid. | 00:39 |
| kanzure_ | I spot 20 holes in all of those implementation details that would preclude those from being real possibilities | 00:40 |
| kanzure_ | if James Andrix, who wrote that quote, really thinks that's the only set of options, then he's screwed | 00:40 |
| kanzure_ | good luck James. | 00:40 |
| kanzure_ | the reality distortion field is strong with this one .. | 00:42 |
| kanzure_ | Let me see if I can't compose an argument against the "singleton that controls teh futures v. imposing a singleton-as-evolution-itself (rewriting the playing field)" | 00:44 |
| kanzure_ | *against the dichotomy of | 00:44 |
| kanzure_ | Actually the singleton scenarios rely on MNT usually. | 00:51 |
| kanzure_ | That's a big enough hole as it is. | 00:51 |
| fenn | and don't forget, there's always SOL DEACE | 00:57 |
| kanzure_ | fenn: ? | 00:57 |
| ybit | fenn says hi | 00:58 |
| fenn | hi | 00:58 |
| ybit | to ya | 00:58 |
| fenn | you must be psychic | 00:58 |
| ybit | i think leos are naturally psychic, just as in chronicles of narnia | 00:59 |
| kanzure_ | SOL DEACE? "Sol-Feace is a shoot 'em up released by Wolf Team. It was first released for the Sharp X68000 in Japan in 1990. It was later ported in 1991 to the Sega Mega-CD, with rearranged Redbook music. This version was available as a pack-in with the Sega CD when it was first released in the US. In 1992, the Sega CD version of Sol-Feace was ported to cartridge and released for the Sega Genesis in the US by Renovation Products as Sol-Deace." | 00:59 |
| kanzure_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol-Deace | 00:59 |
| kanzure_ | hrm | 00:59 |
| fenn | what is all that video game crap | 00:59 |
| kanzure_ | oh, is that the wrong reference? | 00:59 |
| fenn | sol deace is humanity's last hope against the giant evil supercomputer | 00:59 |
| kanzure_ | eh? | 00:59 |
| fenn | the GCS-WT | 01:00 |
| kanzure_ | " GCS-WT's purpose was to ultimately unify every human society using the power of diplomacy, but GCS-WT has other plans: rather than unify mankind, GCS-WT turns societies into a dystopia after becoming an all-powerful dictator who controls all military action as it sees fit and oppressess mankind of various liberties; anyone who spoke against GCS-WT's will did not live very long." | 01:00 |
| kanzure_ | I thought that's the singleton concept | 01:00 |
| kanzure_ | the "rawr super ai is teh rulz over u" | 01:00 |
| kanzure_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong | 01:55 |
| gene | so what's with thawing the beetles? | 02:17 |
| kanzure | gene: On the berkeley website they were talking about using cyborg beetles in military environments. | 02:20 |
| kanzure | fenn was saying how they live only 20 days | 02:20 |
| kanzure | so I was joking that they should be cryopreserved until deployment :) | 02:21 |
| gene | heh | 02:21 |
| kanzure | "thaw the beetles!" you can imagine some commander yelling that type of command | 02:21 |
| gene | that's a good idea | 02:21 |
| gene | beetles are small so you could freeze them pretty well | 02:21 |
| kanzure | I wonder if flight is that simple in a beetle. I guess it might be a "vector" signal that is sent to the cerebellum-equivalent structure in the brain? | 02:22 |
| kanzure | or you could train them with stimulation training I guess | 02:22 |
| gene | yup | 02:22 |
| kanzure | not as fun though | 02:22 |
| gene | pretty much | 02:22 |
| gene | you know what optic flow is right? | 02:22 |
| kanzure | Is it just photons being bounced around on a certain path? | 02:23 |
| gene | at least I believe it's vector like | 02:23 |
| gene | no | 02:23 |
| gene | optic flow is perceived motion | 02:23 |
| gene | it's used in optical mice to figure out how to move the mice | 02:24 |
| gene | optic flow also changes with distance | 02:24 |
| gene | which is why bugs use it | 02:24 |
| gene | to figure out if they're gonna crash into something | 02:25 |
| kanzure | These beetles apparently detect 3 micrometer infrared wavelengths as a sign of nearby objects | 02:25 |
| kanzure | wait.. 3 micrometer is burnt mulched, 9 micrometer is a predator, 12 micrometer is long-distance -- stuff like a fire (it's part of its behaviorial subroutines to seek out fires apparently) | 02:26 |
| gene | http://www.simplypsychology.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/optic-flow.jpg | 02:26 |
| gene | what really? | 02:27 |
| kanzure | yes | 02:27 |
| kanzure | so the berkeley lab has made artificial versions of their photoreceptors (the infrared receptors, I mean) | 02:28 |
| kanzure | it's not in their eyes apparently. | 02:28 |
| kanzure | I'm guessing it's in their shell as a form of heat sensitivity | 02:28 |
| kanzure | Jewl beetle, jule beetle or something. | 02:28 |
| gene | oh yeah the chitosan paper | 02:29 |
| kanzure_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewel_beetle | 02:29 |
| kanzure_ | there is no chitosan paper as far as I can tell :( | 02:29 |
| kanzure_ | " | 02:30 |
| kanzure_ | "Low temperature, low pressure nanoimprinting of chitosan as a biomaterial for bionanotechnology applications" | 02:30 |
| kanzure_ | "Micro- and nanoscale structures of chitosan were fabricated by nanoimprinting lithography and biochemically functionalized for bionanodevice applications. Chitosan solutions were prepared and a nanoimprinting process was developed for it, where chitosan solution is used as a functional resist for nanoimprinting lithography. A low temperature (90 ?C) and low pressure (5-25 psi) nanoimprinting with polydimethylsiloxane mold could achieve not only | 02:31 |
| gene | optic flow is cool becuase it's easy to do and effective | 02:31 |
| kanzure_ | "microscale structures but also nanoscale features such as nanowire and nanodots down to 150 nm dimensions. The nanoimprinted structures were chemically modified and used for the immobilization of protein molecules." | 02:31 |
| gene | http://www.centeye.com/pages/techres/opticflow.html | 02:31 |
| gene | here's a better explanation | 02:31 |
| gene | of optic flow | 02:32 |
| gene | nanoimprinting? | 02:33 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/Low%20temperature,%20low%20pressure%20nanoimprinting%20of%20chitosan%20as%20a%20biomaterial%20for%20bionanotechnology%20applications.pdf | 02:33 |
| kanzure_ | There we go, the paper. | 02:33 |
| gene | PAPER FUCK YEAh! | 02:34 |
| kanzure_ | Pisano was the guy who was speaking yesterday. Now I remember. They called him Al. | 02:34 |
| gene | how hard is it is it to do? | 02:34 |
| gene | does it need vacuum? | 02:36 |
| kanzure | it needs 5 to 25 psi | 02:37 |
| gene | of vaccuum or pressure? | 02:37 |
| kanzure | Also, it requires photolithography at some point, to make the pattern that you want. | 02:37 |
| kanzure | uh, pressure | 02:37 |
| kanzure | the photolithography would have to be done by e-beam litho, or ion beams or something | 02:38 |
| kanzure | I'm hoping that large-scale methods (draw with a very sharp pencil tip or staple tip-edge) will work for micrometer features | 02:38 |
| kanzure | umm | 02:39 |
| kanzure | millimeter | 02:39 |
| kanzure | hm, this could make nanopores for dna sorting I think | 02:43 |
| gene | well all you really need is metal contacts | 02:43 |
| kanzure | there's a few guys (like, 10? overall) doing dna nanopores | 02:43 |
| gene | they don't have to be micro | 02:43 |
| kanzure | with electrodes within the pore to detect a voltage difference across the current nucleotide or something | 02:43 |
| gene | if you want to make transistors | 02:43 |
| kanzure | and then slowly push the dna through | 02:43 |
| kanzure | erm, slowly pull I mean | 02:44 |
| kanzure | pushing, not so much :) | 02:44 |
| kanzure | pulling via electrophoresis for instance. | 02:44 |
| gene | you don't need tiny transistors for building a repper | 02:45 |
| gene | tiny transistors are bad for certain apps | 02:46 |
| gene | wait nanopores for sequencing or synthesizer | 02:47 |
| kanzure | sequencing | 02:47 |
| gene | can you do synthesizing with nanopores? | 02:48 |
| gene | how thick do the chitosan layers have to be | 02:49 |
| gene | is there a limit? | 02:49 |
| kanzure | Not easily. You'd have to come up with a mechanical way to grab the DNA and then release the oligonucleotide synthesis chemicals, and really at this scale I suspect this is impractical. | 02:49 |
| gene | hmmm... | 02:59 |
| gene | cheap water soluble semiconducting material | 02:59 |
| gene | you might be able to extrude chitosan | 02:59 |
| gene | you can electro deposit chitosan(!) | 03:01 |
| gene | we might want to tell the reprap guys about this | 03:06 |
| kanzure | #reprap, be my guest | 03:07 |
| gene | well I am still reading up on it to see if it would even work | 03:07 |
| * kanzure waves to fenn in #reprap | 03:08 | |
| gene | but holy shit man, it's an organic semiconductor that's cheap | 03:09 |
| kanzure | it's lossy and very noisey | 03:09 |
| kanzure | it's not good for computation | 03:09 |
| kanzure | well, I guess slow computation | 03:09 |
| gene | it isn't? why? | 03:09 |
| kanzure | well that's what was in the presentation | 03:10 |
| kanzure | I don't remember the real reasons | 03:10 |
| kanzure | I'm guessing it's because there's just too many places for the electrons to go | 03:10 |
| kanzure | too messy or something | 03:10 |
| kanzure | but it's not like it doesn't work | 03:11 |
| gene | can it switch on and off reliably ? | 03:11 |
| kanzure | yes | 03:12 |
| kanzure | he explicitly said so | 03:12 |
| gene | well then | 03:12 |
| kanzure | :) | 03:12 |
| gene | it can be used in a computer | 03:12 |
| gene | maybe just a simple one, but a computer none the less | 03:13 |
| kanzure | I'm still not sure how to make the pattern | 03:13 |
| kanzure | is my needle idea a good one? It's not exactly a substitute for lithography one-for-one | 03:13 |
| kanzure | plus that's not a film mask | 03:14 |
| gene | why not print it out | 03:14 |
| kanzure | what's the dimensional resolution of printers? | 03:14 |
| kanzure | isn't it a few mm? | 03:14 |
| kanzure | not microns? | 03:14 |
| gene | a micron or so | 03:14 |
| kanzure | hrm | 03:15 |
| gene | on some of the best ones I believe | 03:15 |
| gene | though I'm talking about doing something like fdm | 03:15 |
| kanzure | I was thinking that this could be done in a water bottle if you only need 5 to 25 psi of pressure and only 90 degrees celsius | 03:15 |
| gene | hahahaha a water bottle | 03:15 |
| gene | you might be able to use a balloon | 03:15 |
| gene | 5 psi isn't much | 03:16 |
| kanzure | so once you print out the pattern with your printer, what's the protocol? is it something like the pcb printing chemical washes? | 03:17 |
| gene | still reading the paper | 03:18 |
| kanzure_ | fenn: I just got the "Afghanistan fablab needs your donations!" email | 03:18 |
| kanzure_ | and went over to http://scripts.mit.edu/~emu/fab/ | 03:19 |
| kanzure_ | "Woah, I just (re)stumbled on Todd Huffman's photos from Afghanistan, and they are awesome! He really got out and around, have a look!" | 03:19 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.flickr.com/photos/oddwick/sets/72157608736702937/ | 03:19 |
| kanzure_ | Todd runs BIL conference, the free version of TED during TED. | 03:19 |
| kanzure_ | Todd also does destructive neural uploading and offered me a job last August | 03:19 |
| kanzure_ | (he's the guy that did some magnetic implants in his finger tips) | 03:19 |
| kanzure_ | why didn't I take that job? | 03:19 |
| gene | heh | 03:23 |
| gene | don't you have enough work as is? | 03:23 |
| kanzure | well he was offering me something that could support me without going to school | 03:26 |
| kanzure | fenn, why don't I have a fablab yet? | 03:29 |
| gene | why? becuase you can't afford one | 03:30 |
| kanzure | Actually .. | 03:30 |
| gene | or are too lazy to make your own | 03:31 |
| kanzure | Too hesitant to sign the checks. | 03:31 |
| gene | did I tell you about solar pumped lasers? | 03:31 |
| kanzure | No. | 03:32 |
| gene | well you can make solar powered laser | 03:32 |
| gene | s | 03:32 |
| kanzure | What's the pump for? | 03:33 |
| gene | pump as in pump with laser | 03:34 |
| gene | http://laserati.com/taxonomy/term/273 | 03:34 |
| gene | kanzure wax circuits in the reprap thread | 03:40 |
| gene | kanzure got any info on producing YAG? | 03:58 |
| kanzure | YAG? | 03:59 |
| gene | yttrium aluminium garnet | 04:00 |
| gene | I want to make some | 04:00 |
| gene | for a laser | 04:00 |
| kanzure | No, sorry. I do have a linkdump on diy laser stuff though. One sec. | 04:00 |
| kanzure_ | http://technology.niagarac.on.ca/people/mcsele/lasers/LasersTEA.htm | 04:01 |
| kanzure_ | http://spt07.chez.tiscali.fr/Lasers.htm | 04:01 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.1stinterstate.com/~laser/images.html | 04:01 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.1stinterstate.com/~laser/index2.php3 | 04:01 |
| kanzure_ | http://technology.niagarac.on.ca/people/mcsele/lasers/ | 04:01 |
| kanzure_ | http://spt07.chez.tiscali.fr/N2links.htm | 04:01 |
| kanzure_ | http://cornellcollege.edu/physics/courses/phy312/Student-Projects/Nitrogen-Laser/Nitrogen-Laser.html | 04:02 |
| kanzure_ | http://electron9.phys.utk.edu/optics507/modules/m10/diode_laser_frequency_stabilizat.htm | 04:02 |
| kanzure_ | http://spt06.chez-alice.fr/00/air.htm | 04:02 |
| gene | never mind | 04:02 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.jarrodkinsey.com/pages/howtobuild.html | 04:02 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.montagar.com/~patj/n2lmnu.htm | 04:02 |
| kanzure_ | http://www1.union.edu/newmanj/lasers/Light%20Production/producing_light.htm | 04:02 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.kayelemetrics.com/pdlbib.htm | 04:02 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/lasercon.htm | 04:02 |
| kanzure_ | http://repairfaq.ece.drexel.edu/sam/lasercc2.htm | 04:02 |
| gene | they might be sufficiently cheap on ebay | 04:02 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/laserchn.htm#chntoc | 04:02 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/laserfaq.htm | 04:02 |
| gene | whao | 04:02 |
| kanzure_ | http://slashdot.org/articles/07/08/09/0412215.shtml | 04:02 |
| kanzure_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TEA_laser | 04:02 |
| gene | you can stop now | 04:02 |
| kanzure | 14,000 bookmarks not for nothing. | 04:02 |
| gene | but I don't know if I can get a chromium doped Yag | 04:05 |
| gene | http://cgi.ebay.com/Chrome-Green-Cr-doped-YAG-Cut-stones-pair_W0QQitemZ380079797627QQihZ025QQcategoryZ110730QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem | 04:06 |
| gene | I can | 04:06 |
| gene | heheheheh | 04:06 |
| kanzure | is this with respect to the chitosan nanoimprinting? | 04:07 |
| kanzure | for broad-field laser illumination of the sample? | 04:07 |
| kanzure | I would think a heat lamp might be more useful here | 04:07 |
| gene | no | 04:07 |
| gene | I want a solar pumped laser | 04:07 |
| gene | an 80 watt solar pumped laser | 04:09 |
| gene | think about it | 04:09 |
| gene | a laser power by the sun | 04:09 |
| gene | a laser that can run all day long as long as there is sun | 04:10 |
| gene | and strong enough to laser cut metal | 04:10 |
| kanzure | btw, the dinner is still on the 7th | 04:11 |
| kanzure | I need to know if you're game or not | 04:11 |
| kanzure | with the cryonicists/transhumans in the local area | 04:11 |
| kanzure | transportation might be provided | 04:11 |
| gene | definately not | 04:11 |
| gene | I'm going into finals mode | 04:11 |
| gene | well maybe | 04:24 |
| gene | time info plz | 04:24 |
| kanzure | 2 to 7 as a maximum sort of | 04:28 |
| gene | hours? | 04:29 |
| kanzure | from 2 pm to 7 pm | 04:30 |
| gene | oh | 04:46 |
| gene | might be able to go | 04:46 |
| kanzure | kinda need to know so that I can arrange transportation | 04:46 |
| kanzure | natasha might be willing to come pick me up | 04:46 |
| kanzure | she's done so before, it's like a 10 minute drive for her. | 04:47 |
| kanzure | and I have to acquire some food to bring if so. hrm. | 04:48 |
| gene | will umm ramen be ok | 05:00 |
| fenn | If someone in the lab says that he is more important, or is doing something more important, how should it be decided that what he is doing is actually more necessary? | 05:37 |
| gene | if he is the one with the reactor scram device | 05:41 |
| gene | or the one with the the black hole evaporator | 05:42 |
| gene | wow, I'm running on 18 tabs and firefox still hasn't crashed | 06:44 |
| -!- UtopiahG1ML is now known as UtopiahGHML | 16:41 | |
| kanzure_ | http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/792/keypadbk2.jpg pull-down keypad | 16:46 |
| kanzure | NASA seeking out moon colonization "synergistic" ideas | 17:09 |
| kanzure | fwd'd to om | 17:09 |
| kanzure | Charles F. Radley might be willing to get us a proposal to the right people at NASA if om writes something good | 17:14 |
| kanzure | I imagine Paul and Eric will be willing to put in some good text | 17:14 |
| kanzure_ | http://freeluna.blogspot.com/2007/11/open-source-hardware-proposal.html | 17:15 |
| kanzure_ | also, FREDNET is an excellent example of the rise of open source in space tech I guess | 17:15 |
| kanzure_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Lunar_X_Prize " Team FREDNET is an International Open Source and Open Participation Competitor" | 17:15 |
| kanzure_ | "Team FREDNET is an international Open Source and Open Participation competitor in the Google Lunar X PRIZE competition. Team FREDNET is led by Fred J. Bourgeois and has formed a strategic partnership with the Stuyvesant Robot Club. Uniquely, the team also allows organizations and individuals to participate freely in its mission through the team's website." | 17:16 |
| kanzure_ | Find this guy: | 17:19 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.nasa.gov/directorates/esmd/aboutesmd/about/cooke_bio.html | 17:19 |
| kanzure_ | "Mr. Cooke is a graduate of Texas A&M University with a Bachelor of Science degree in Aerospace Engineering." | 17:20 |
| kanzure_ | SEDS was hosted at A&M last month .. hrm. | 17:20 |
| fenn | the tether experiment? | 17:51 |
| fenn | oh. students. bah | 17:52 |
| kanzure | yeah, damn students what have they ever doned | 18:22 |
| kanzure | *done | 18:22 |
| kanzure_ | "The German Federal Archive has agreed to donate 100,000 images to Wikipedia under the German version of the Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike License. These pictures cover a period from 1860 to present. This is the largest picture donation ever to Wikipedia, and possibly the largest in the history of the free culture movement."" | 19:04 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.grants.gov/search/search.do?mode=VIEW&flag2006=false&oppId=43632 | 19:20 |
| fenn | grants.gov... i should spend more time there | 19:20 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.tsgc.utexas.edu/ | 19:21 |
| kanzure_ | my sarcasm detector is broken | 19:21 |
| kanzure_ | http://nspires.nasaprs.com/external/viewrepositorydocument;jsessionid=J6RNWTQhqmNsKm3kQSZByDtCNXHg3ksdD9Tw1NhLVvG1GfJJSvB7!-1473313549!-1407319094!7006!-1!153240296!-1407319093!7006!-1?cmdocumentid=171195&solicitationId={29018E66-F769-3D89-B478-B8A04F1867C1}&viewSolicitationDocument=1 | 19:25 |
| kanzure_ | full grant description pdf | 19:25 |
| kanzure_ | "The information provided in this notice will be used to assess research interests for the Steckler/Space Grant Opportunity and to determine the expertise required of reviewers." | 19:31 |
| kanzure_ | so I wonder if we can get Freitas as an acceptable individual on the review team heh' | 19:31 |
| kanzure_ | "Successful proposals will not be directed solely toward systems studies, routine engineering development of existing systems or | 19:34 |
| kanzure_ | proven concepts, or modifications of existing systems. A competitive proposal will clearly and concisely describe the innovative approach relative to the existing state of the art; address scientific and/or technical feasibility and its relevance and significance to NASA needs for space colonization; and provide a preliminary strategy for incorporation/integration into NASA programs or projects." | 19:34 |
| kanzure | Hm. Just being a PI alone makes one much more likely to get a grant it turns out | 19:38 |
| kanzure | I've seen various grant proposals before and they tend to suck | 19:38 |
| kanzure | erm, proposals to get a grant awarded I mean | 19:38 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Space_colonization <-- kay, made a huge document. | 20:11 |
| bkero | kanzure_: You going to publish your wiki some day? | 20:15 |
| kanzure_ | bkero: Huh? | 20:16 |
| kanzure_ | hrm, Boonserm Kulvatunyou has done B2B manufacturing stuff with NIST and ORNL. | 20:16 |
| kanzure_ | 'Production' by Boonserm Kulvatunyou and his research work helped us to integrate the web. based software with the feature based parametric model generating' | 20:16 |
| kanzure_ | bkero: What do you mean by publish? | 20:17 |
| bkero | kanzure_: I'm not sure | 20:18 |
| kanzure_ | I mean, there's links pointing to it. | 20:20 |
| kanzure_ | "If supplies can be sent to the Moon in bulk | 20:29 |
| kanzure_ | quantities more cheaply than for single- | 20:29 |
| kanzure_ | mission applications, having warehouses on | 20:29 |
| kanzure_ | the Moon is essential to store these items for | 20:29 |
| kanzure_ | the duration until they are needed. | 20:29 |
| kanzure_ | Inexpensive storage of goods between their | 20:29 |
| kanzure_ | points of origin and destination will be very | 20:29 |
| kanzure_ | important to the development of a | 20:29 |
| kanzure_ | sustainable and self-sufficient lunar | 20:29 |
| kanzure_ | operations. | 20:29 |
| kanzure_ | woah these people are stupid. | 20:29 |
| fenn | don't forget to install security robots to protect against moononites | 20:39 |
| kanzure | what? | 20:41 |
| kanzure | how is it 'self-sustaining' if it requires a cache of material brought up by human involvement on Earth | 20:41 |
| kanzure | I wonder what I should steer the proposal towards. They are seeking more in terms of robotics and rovers, but I of course want to focus on architecture/infrastructure development toolchains and simulation of designed systems | 20:42 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.fabfolk.com/ fab lab user group | 21:56 |
| kanzure | yay Todd recognized me | 22:17 |
| kanzure | fenn, I kinda need recommendations on issue tracking systems | 22:58 |
| kanzure | is bugzilla still ok to use? | 22:59 |
| kanzure | or is it Not Cool or something? | 22:59 |
| fenn | as a user, i never had a good experience with bugzilla | 23:01 |
| kanzure | we just need a way for people to order designs to be fabricated from a fablab network | 23:02 |
| kanzure | so I was thinking of an issue tracker | 23:03 |
| kanzure | where people would 'take over' an issue ticket number | 23:03 |
| kanzure | which would be really cool since people would say "hey, I can relate to a ticket tracker! gasp" | 23:03 |
| fenn | oh like mfg.com sorta | 23:04 |
| kanzure | and ponoko I guess | 23:05 |
| kanzure | they just want to have users upload PNG, BMP, JPG, STL, DXF or Corel Draw files and then pay via paypal immediately | 23:06 |
| fenn | PNG BMP JPG is going to be a huge PITA | 23:06 |
| kanzure | I asked them what formats they accept and they gave me those image formats | 23:06 |
| kanzure | I wonder if they are massochists | 23:06 |
| fenn | tell them they're stupid | 23:06 |
| kanzure | k, right after I smite Smari McCarthy .. | 23:07 |
| fenn | ponoko is a single manufacturer, but this is going to be distributed? or did i misunderstand that | 23:07 |
| fenn | seem to recall something about using the closest lasercutter | 23:08 |
| kanzure | no misunderstandings so far | 23:08 |
| kanzure | the point is to dump the design files into a common repository or something, then let different fablabs take on the workload, yes | 23:09 |
| fenn | heh i'm surprised you didnt mention #hplusroadmap | 23:10 |
| fenn | or some irc channel | 23:10 |
| fenn | though i guess passwords n stuff isnt the best place | 23:10 |
| fenn | so, my advice, add SVG and remove all non-vector image formats | 23:11 |
| fenn | except for raster scan stuff like halftone etching photos | 23:11 |
| fenn | though why you'd want to do that is beyond me :) | 23:12 |
| kanzure | yes, they also want SVG. | 23:20 |
| kanzure | Smari suggests thinglink | 23:23 |
| fenn | does thinglink rely on some specific webserver? | 23:41 |
| fenn | guh.. it's all weird finnish art | 23:43 |
| -!- UtopiahGHML is now known as UtoTest | 23:55 | |
| kanzure | fenn, how would you like to live in Afghanistan | 23:59 |
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