| --- Day changed Fri Dec 12 2008 | ||
| fenn | kanzure: why dont you just model reprap? | 00:15 |
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| fenn | there are even 3d cad files. but i dont know what you're doing really | 00:15 |
| kanzure | No, I was going to make some 3D files of mechmate. | 00:16 |
| fenn | why mechmate? | 00:17 |
| kanzure | I'm used to having 3-views on my schematics, and seeing isometric views | 00:17 |
| kanzure | well because I have their schematics | 00:17 |
| kanzure | supposedly. they don't seem to be too good. It's "complete" but I'm having trouble reading mechmate's PDFed schematics. | 00:17 |
| fenn | do they use linear ball bearing rails? | 00:17 |
| kanzure | what's the alternative? | 00:18 |
| kanzure | they did have rails, don't know if it was ball bearing | 00:18 |
| fenn | some other soort of bearing | 00:18 |
| kanzure | there were slots every 300 mm in the rails | 00:18 |
| kanzure | don't know what that was about. probably just for mounting to the table. | 00:18 |
| fenn | bolt holes? | 00:18 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/mechmate.zip | 00:18 |
| kanzure | maybe. | 00:18 |
| kanzure | when I was searching for the email that was talking about mechmate, I came across some old logs of me chating with Dalrymple | 00:19 |
| fenn | eta 30 min | 00:19 |
| kanzure | I had done a superlinkdump on him, and apparently I had already known about mechmate | 00:19 |
| kanzure | you can try mechmate.com I guess, they posted it on the front page with an annoying registration link to their forums | 00:20 |
| fenn | if it's just some kind of angle iron, then it might be worth looking into | 00:21 |
| fenn | but if you have to buy some $400 rail kit then why even bother with mechmate | 00:21 |
| fenn | it's too bad the pics are so low res | 00:21 |
| fenn | ouch | 00:22 |
| fenn | 00:22 | |
| fenn | Current projected cost's are $6818.32 US plus labor, plus tax. | 00:23 |
| fenn | aha "The MechMate drawings will call for a machine shop with a milling machine to form the inverted V on the top edge of lengths of standard angle iron for the x and y rails." | 00:28 |
| fenn | and then he shows some hack using a table saw o_0 | 00:29 |
| kanzure | fenn, did my reviewing of the logs help at all? I think I can come up with a todo list with actual, practical steps now for what needs to be done next | 00:30 |
| fenn | ok i am kind of busy with my house situation right now | 00:33 |
| fenn | but maybe in a week or so i will have lots of time | 00:33 |
| kanzure | like can't talk right now or just in general? I'm not talking about giving you a todo list | 00:33 |
| kanzure | miscommunication .. I know you're busy, but didn't realize you're doing something at this moment | 00:34 |
| fenn | not at this moment | 00:34 |
| fenn | i'm sort of winding down for bed right now (why did i just eat a whole bar of chocolate?) | 00:34 |
| kanzure | let me rephrase one more time just to get it right .. it's not a todo list that anybody is being expected to complete. | 00:34 |
| kanzure | there. | 00:34 |
| kanzure | because you're addicted? :) | 00:34 |
| kanzure | Can somebody, anybody call my cell phone please? 512 203 0507. I can't seem to find it. I'd also need to be told when it's ringing. | 00:35 |
| fenn | heh ok | 00:35 |
| fenn | in twenty seconds | 00:36 |
| kanzure | heh busy finding your own.. | 00:36 |
| kanzure | k | 00:36 |
| kanzure | thanks | 00:36 |
| kanzure | trapped in the recliner. | 00:37 |
| kanzure | I wonder how long it's been there. | 00:37 |
| fenn | today's tech tip: if you ever need to mop up some decayed racoon entrails, hit it with some "scrubbing bubbles" aerosol bathroom cleaner first | 00:40 |
| kanzure | say, what's your new housing arrangement anyway? | 00:40 |
| kanzure | vegan housecleaner or something? | 00:40 |
| fenn | takes the odor down to zero like magic | 00:40 |
| fenn | no, roomate's aunt bought a house and abandoned it like four years ago | 00:41 |
| kanzure | payments? | 00:41 |
| fenn | and people in this house are scattering to the winds, so i sure arent staying here | 00:41 |
| kanzure | that's odd | 00:41 |
| fenn | no payments, at least til spring? i dont see what i would be paying for though | 00:41 |
| kanzure | rent, mortgage, on that abandoned house | 00:42 |
| fenn | pff | 00:42 |
| fenn | no she owns it | 00:42 |
| kanzure | peculiar. okay. | 00:42 |
| fenn | i came across some city council meeting saying it was on the "title VI abatement" list, whatever that means | 00:42 |
| fenn | you know, rent is really stupid | 00:44 |
| fenn | $60k over the last five years and the landlord is still an asshole | 00:44 |
| fenn | in exchange for what? | 00:44 |
| kanzure | that's quite a lot. | 00:44 |
| kanzure | although at this rate I'm going in a similar direction.. | 00:46 |
| fenn | did you know that landlords can sell the house while you are still living in it, and then you are bound to the same least with the new owners? | 00:46 |
| fenn | lease* | 00:47 |
| fenn | i think that's pretty screwy, especially considering you can't (legally) sublet the house without the landlord's approval | 00:48 |
| kanzure_ | fenn: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/skdb_todo.txt | 01:32 |
| kanzure_ | I might post that to om, what do you think? | 01:33 |
| fenn | ok | 01:37 |
| kanzure_ | "Offit had recently sold his rota vaccine patent for $104 million dollars." | 02:22 |
| kanzure_ | wtf. | 02:23 |
| kanzure_ | http://bp1.blogger.com/_2EAAGwTKO40/R8L9wKI574I/AAAAAAAABBo/55dQzP637VA/s1600-h/IMG_3029.jpg <- the guys responsible for xmms2 (sort of) | 03:35 |
| fenn | is "responsible" a good thing? :) | 03:48 |
| fenn | i used to think that all linux/FOSS developers were young people, then I met the EMC crowd :) | 03:48 |
| kanzure_ | http://jriddell.org/photos/2007-06-20-debconf-group.jpg <-- debconf | 03:51 |
| kanzure_ | I thought all FOSS developers were oldies actually, because of how astonished I'd be to find anybody in my age group doing anything open source most of the time. | 03:52 |
| kanzure_ | although these guys could be any age I guess, you can't really tell from a distance | 03:52 |
| fenn | i wonder if they put the females up front on purpose | 03:57 |
| kanzure_ | the scotts? | 03:57 |
| fenn | gwah nevermind it's just my poor excuse for a brain acting up again | 03:58 |
| kanzure_ | there does seem to be at least four women in the front row | 03:58 |
| kanzure_ | erm, not front row, but "near the front row conditional upon the fuzziness of it all" | 03:58 |
| kanzure_ | the man on the front low, third from the left, with the beard, looks like somebody I know | 04:00 |
| fenn | four in the front center and five on the right front | 04:00 |
| kanzure_ | okay | 04:00 |
| fenn | kanzure_: that's not a real person, it's a mythical icon | 04:00 |
| fenn | the bearded unix hacker | 04:00 |
| kanzure_ | right. | 04:00 |
| kanzure_ | I met a bearded unix hacker once, he looks exactly like that | 04:01 |
| kanzure_ | for some reason he was either working at Apple or previously did, | 04:01 |
| kanzure_ | and when I first met this particular individual, back in 2007 in the Austin Transhumanism Meetup, he was doing something about rTMS, and living on a bus or something | 04:01 |
| kanzure_ | recently I think I saw him again at an algae conference, but I dismissed it :/ | 04:01 |
| kanzure_ | *I thought I saw | 04:01 |
| fenn | the bearded guy in the far right corner looks sorta like my old boss | 04:03 |
| fenn | probably not him though, he's a redhat guy | 04:04 |
| kanzure | you have a hundred thousand obsessive compulsive, fixating geeks and you still can't find that original red hat | 04:07 |
| kanzure | that must be sad. | 04:07 |
| fenn | was there a hat? i never did hear the story | 04:08 |
| kanzure_ | ""Red Hat" is a reference to a red Cornell University lacrosse cap given to company founder Marc Ewing by his grandfather." | 04:09 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.cac.cornell.edu/technologies/operating.aspx | 04:09 |
| kanzure_ | "CAC runs Red Hat Enterprise Linux on several HPC clusters. The Chairman and CEO of Red Hat spoke at Cornell on the impact of open source technologies. Red Hat's other affinity with Cornell is its name. Company founder, Marc Ewing, was given a Cornell lacrosse team cap (with red and white stripes) while at college by his grandfather. It was his favorite hat. He lost it somewhere in Philadelphia in his last year of school and named the company "Red | 04:09 |
| kanzure_ | "somewhere in Philadelphia" | 04:10 |
| fenn | well it's no wonder nobody's found it, there isn't a single picture on the internet | 04:12 |
| kanzure | 1) make up mythical symbol representing some sort of movement | 04:13 |
| kanzure | 2) lose it | 04:13 |
| kanzure | 3) profit | 04:13 |
| fenn | http://www.badonka-donk.com/images/hat.jpg | 04:13 |
| fenn | maybe that was it | 04:14 |
| kanzure_ | how could you possibly lose *that* | 04:14 |
| fenn | if i lost that hat, i would probably name a company after it | 04:15 |
| fenn | wow you learn something new every day: badonka-donk, "An 'ebonic' expression for an extremely curvaceous female behind." | 04:16 |
| fenn | ah this is where i heard it: Badonkadonk Land Cruiser Tank | 04:17 |
| kanzure_ | http://yudkowsky.net/obsolete/bookshelf.html#fs_n <-- Heh. Eli is a Zindell fan too. (ok, so is Anders, but we already know that.) | 05:03 |
| gene | http://www.pinktentacle.com/2008/12/scientists-extract-images-directly-from-brain/ | 05:27 |
| gene | well guess what kanzure they aren't using EEG | 05:27 |
| gene | they're using fMRI | 05:27 |
| gene | this is old | 05:27 |
| gene | One researcher here has been doing that using a ultrahigh res fMRI he developed | 05:28 |
| kanzure_ | how ultra high res are we talking | 05:29 |
| gene | like 0.5 mm cube | 05:29 |
| gene | or something like that | 05:29 |
| gene | fMRI sucks for this kind of thing | 05:29 |
| gene | you're looking at the blood flow not the neuron | 05:30 |
| gene | so response time is low | 05:30 |
| kanzure_ | EROS is probably a better idea. | 05:30 |
| gene | huh? | 05:30 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Neuroimaging | 05:31 |
| kanzure_ | EROS (Event Related Optical Signal) | 05:31 |
| kanzure_ | Event Related Optical Signal (EROS) is a brain-scanning technique which uses infrared light through optical fibers to measure changes in optical properties of active areas of the cerebral cortex. | 05:31 |
| gene | I wonder though if the subjects had to keep their eyes perfectly still or not | 05:31 |
| kanzure_ | subjects wouldn't have to, there's drugs for that | 05:31 |
| gene | no for the study | 05:32 |
| gene | when you look at something your eyes are seldom looking at the same place | 05:33 |
| gene | you look around | 05:33 |
| kanzure_ | that's because of muscles | 05:33 |
| kanzure_ | which drugs take care of. | 05:33 |
| gene | ok | 05:35 |
| gene | I wonder if they actually did that though | 05:35 |
| gene | or they figured out which part of the brain combine visual input | 05:36 |
| gene | EROS is still based on blood flow | 05:37 |
| gene | which means it sucks | 05:37 |
| gene | or is it? | 05:38 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/open_source_manufacturing_2.png <-- evidence that I should be sleeping .. | 05:43 |
| gene | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_enhancement_by_extravascular_water_protons | 05:46 |
| gene | maybe MRI can image neuron activity | 05:46 |
| gene | wait you have time for sleep? | 05:47 |
| kanzure_ | the finals I have tomorrow are engineering graphics and building brains, these are the only two classes that I'm probably going to pass anyway so yeah | 05:47 |
| gene | I have graphics and math | 05:48 |
| kanzure_ | btw, did you check out the schematics for mechmate? As far as I can tell they suck, I miss my three-views. | 05:48 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/mechmate.zip | 05:48 |
| gene | what's that? | 05:48 |
| kanzure_ | I was going to model some of the schematics today, but then I realized how terrible they are | 05:48 |
| kanzure_ | mechmate is a cnc router | 05:48 |
| gene | email it to me later | 05:48 |
| kanzure_ | mechmate.com is handing out free schematics, so. | 05:48 |
| kanzure_ | (so I made up a zip with the drawings.) | 05:49 |
| gene | in the mean time check out this tiny korean CNC | 05:49 |
| kanzure_ | is it called the microfactory? | 05:49 |
| gene | http://www.robofun.net/forum/redirect.php?fid=63&tid=1584&goto=nextnewset | 05:49 |
| gene | no | 05:49 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/minifactory/ | 05:49 |
| gene | http://www.robot01.com/shop01/etc/detail.php?pcode=P0000000002 | 05:49 |
| gene | two different minimills | 05:50 |
| gene | second one sells for 1200 dollars | 05:50 |
| kanzure_ | who linked you to this? | 05:50 |
| gene | +_ 0.2 mm accurate | 05:50 |
| gene | relatively bad | 05:51 |
| gene | I found it | 05:51 |
| gene | gonna post it in open manufacturing after I am done with finals | 05:51 |
| kanzure_ | oh, I was about to post it | 05:51 |
| kanzure_ | but if you want to ok | 05:51 |
| * kanzure_ goes to sleep | 05:51 | |
| kanzure_ | http://www.xtuple.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2843 | 06:27 |
| kanzure_ | http://sourceforge.net/projects/postbooks/ | 06:27 |
| kanzure_ | I wonder if openmfg is worth it or not. It looks like it's just a giant accounting database system with a fancy GUI, but on the other hand it mentions a bill-of-materials data field that companies are apparently implementing (above), don't know how useful they're making it. | 06:27 |
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| kanzure_- | http://openmanufacturing.net/ Paul owns this now apparently | 18:43 |
| kanzure_ | http://groups.google.com/group/gnu-society <-- ugh, Patrick.. | 22:08 |
| kanzure | http://eskar.dk/andreas/blog/thesis/ - "A system that works for me" - an anthropological analysis of the ubuntu community, (some guy's thesis.) | 22:31 |
| ybit | ya know, paul may like to know that openmanufacturing.org is secured for similar purposes, perhaps the two domain names will lead to the same location eventually (it could right now if i would forward to the om google groups portal :P ) | 23:33 |
| ybit | he just purchased the domain name today, glad someone like him got it | 23:35 |
| kanzure | who purchased openmanufacturing.org? | 23:43 |
| kanzure | anyway, bring that up on the mailing list :) | 23:44 |
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