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| kanzure_ | "In 1984, a Hungarian physicist, Gabor Bajor, smuggled two Macs into his country. At the time, ownership of personal computers was illegal under Communist rule. Using Pascal, he and a teenager, Tamas Hajas worked to write a 3D CAD program for the Mac which will be the beginning of Graphsoft Company." | 00:23 |
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| kanzure_ | Heh. | 00:23 |
| kanzure_ | personal computers being illegal under communist rule | 00:23 |
| kanzure_ | hrm | 00:23 |
| kanzure_ | yeah, so about that.. | 00:24 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&client=opera&rls=en&hs=UVf&q=moPWMaterialProperties_c&btnG=Search odd results :) | 00:56 |
| kanzure_ | http://brlcad.org/gallery/s/screenshots/ heh I like hoow they have ronja screenshots, and then an openmoko screenshot | 01:36 |
| Phreedom | kanzure_: I can confirm that even typewriters were all numbered and accounted, copying machines were few and between and access to them was regulated | 01:46 |
| Phreedom | although these regulations were later removed | 01:47 |
| Phreedom | it almost coincided with USSR breakup | 01:48 |
| kanzure | interesting | 01:49 |
| kanzure | Phreedom: How goes your Stuff? | 01:49 |
| Phreedom | and now it's funny that ex-USSR territory is one of the freest places in the world when it comes to owning and using tech | 01:49 |
| Phreedom | kanzure_: slowly but surely | 01:49 |
| Phreedom | Xesam/Nepomuk eats some time too | 01:49 |
| * kanzure is compiling brlcad. | 01:49 | |
| Phreedom | kanzure_: trying to make a piezo motor prototype atm | 01:51 |
| Phreedom | it's harder than it sounds though | 01:51 |
| Phreedom | especially since I'm trying to make it last | 01:52 |
| kanzure | this is done by wrapping some piezo material in a tube, and sticking a metal rod down it, right? | 01:52 |
| kanzure | wait, that sounds wrong | 01:52 |
| Phreedom | cheap motors(like the ones used in photocams) don't last enough... 500+ hours... | 01:52 |
| Phreedom | yeah, it theory it's just a piezo pressed against a hard surface | 01:52 |
| Phreedom | in practice both piezo and contact surface need a special coating | 01:53 |
| kanzure | why's that? | 01:53 |
| Phreedom | also the mode of excitation and operation influence power and wear | 01:53 |
| Phreedom | because piezos produce a good deal of friction | 01:53 |
| Phreedom | some produce incredible amounts | 01:54 |
| Phreedom | some produce moderate | 01:54 |
| Phreedom | mediocre designs can have <20% efficiency | 01:54 |
| Phreedom | with the 80%+ of energy split between heating due to elastic deformations and friction | 01:55 |
| Phreedom | needless to say these things don't work for too long | 01:55 |
| kanzure | I wonder what the openservo guys are doing | 01:55 |
| Phreedom | I'm trying to get a motor that'll waste most of its power into elastic deformations and not friction | 01:55 |
| Phreedom | probably they're doing a nice thing | 01:56 |
| Phreedom | but piezos have too many advantages to be ignored | 01:56 |
| Phreedom | what I'm trying to accopmlish is a piezo which works no less than 3-5k hours and has an easy rejuvenation procedure, like recoating of friction surfaces | 01:57 |
| Phreedom | which makes it last almost forever with reasonably simple servicing from time to time | 01:57 |
| kanzure | What contact surface stuff have you tried? oils? | 01:57 |
| Phreedom | nothing yet. the first attempt will be chrome | 01:58 |
| Phreedom | basically there are piezos which last seveal K hours, piezos which are powerful etc etc so it's not very new stuff but there may be some tricks getting this working | 02:00 |
| Phreedom | really hope to get the prototype working soon | 02:04 |
| Phreedom | because interferometers are pretty easy to get right and I'm totally confident in this part of the project | 02:04 |
| Phreedom | while piezos are somewhat speculative | 02:04 |
| Phreedom | although there's still a very good chance | 02:04 |
| Phreedom | if it works, I'll have a motor with exceptional power/weight and power/volume ratio, absolutely no backlash, high holding force, and ability to microstep in micometer range(yes, for real, unlike regular steppers with microstep) | 02:06 |
| Phreedom | micometer->picometer(not a typo) | 02:08 |
| Phreedom | of course such resolution is not needed in precision machining, but having rotary axis or actuator with such a precision will be useful for other purposes | 02:08 |
| kanzure | hm, I don't know how to edit makefiles apparently | 03:00 |
| kanzure | I need to tack on a -lXi to the library line. | 03:07 |
| kanzure | the configure script says libxi isn't installed, but I can manually add-on -lXi to the line that fails (the one generated by make) | 03:08 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/brlcad.html | 03:08 |
| kanzure | Hi samrose. | 03:08 |
| kanzure | Ever compile brlcad? | 03:08 |
| samrose | hey, yes, it was a 2 day process, and it sucked :) | 03:10 |
| samrose | on Ubuntu hardy 8.04 | 03:10 |
| samrose | the people on the irc channel here suck too | 03:10 |
| samrose | :) | 03:10 |
| kanzure | in here? | 03:10 |
| kanzure | there's a #brlcad, btw | 03:10 |
| samrose | for brlcad that is | 03:10 |
| kanzure | but anyway, | 03:10 |
| samrose | haha not you guys | 03:10 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/brlcad.html | 03:10 |
| kanzure | basically I need to edit a makefile to add-on -lXi | 03:10 |
| kanzure | however apparently I've never edited a makefile before | 03:10 |
| kanzure | which is strange, I would think that I've done this by now :p | 03:11 |
| samrose | huh, I did not have to do that (would have recalled it) | 03:11 |
| kanzure | well, apparently the configure script doesn't recognize my libxi installation (which is nothing special) | 03:11 |
| kanzure | anyway, /me gets back to work | 03:11 |
| samrose | adding -lXi to compile line does not work, eh? | 03:13 |
| kanzure | there's a compile line in the makefile? | 03:13 |
| kanzure | I can add it on manually, but then when I run the overall make script for brlcad, it stops at that point (because it's not automatic) | 03:13 |
| samrose | what kind of help did you need editing the make file? | 03:14 |
| kanzure | where should I add the -lXi line that will be passed to gcc? | 03:15 |
| ybit | [19:49] * kanzure is compiling brlcad. :: i thought you used debian? | 03:15 |
| kanzure | I do. | 03:15 |
| kanzure | there's no brlcad in the repositories. | 03:15 |
| bkero | kanzure: Let me know if it's not a giant piece of government shit | 03:15 |
| ybit | huh | 03:15 |
| bkero | emerge brlcad :) | 03:15 |
| kanzure | also, the .tar.gz didn't have mgetd or whatever. | 03:16 |
| kanzure | which is kind of an important part of the whole system.. | 03:16 |
| kanzure | the .tar.gz pre-compiled, I mean. | 03:16 |
| kanzure | actually it was because it was compiled for 64 bit systems, that too | 03:16 |
| kanzure | even though I'm on a 64 bit quadcore .. but anyway :p | 03:16 |
| samrose | gosh, I know I got that mgetd in there, but I can't recall how. I would have to go through the whole process again to remember | 03:16 |
| kanzure | it's okay | 03:16 |
| kanzure | I need to go read my documentation on makefiles anyway | 03:17 |
| kanzure | this is embarrasing, I should know this :) | 03:17 |
| samrose | but -lXi that one should be easy to add when running amke | 03:17 |
| samrose | make | 03:17 |
| kanzure | hm? | 03:17 |
| kanzure | do I just do ./make -lXi ? or do I edit the Makefile file somehow? | 03:17 |
| samrose | I may be crazy, but I thought that you would add flags like this at configure | 03:18 |
| kanzure | ./configure -lXi ? | 03:19 |
| kanzure | hrm | 03:19 |
| kanzure | oh, nevermind. ./configure --help. | 03:20 |
| samrose | what happens when you do what you have here http://heybryan.org/brlcad.html when you try to make with that flag? | 03:20 |
| samrose | (assume you get an error, but what is error?) | 03:21 |
| kanzure | what are you asking? | 03:21 |
| kanzure | if I cd into the src dir and into bwish, I can call gcc myself and compile it fine | 03:21 |
| kanzure | with -lXi on it. | 03:21 |
| samrose | the part where you write: | 03:22 |
| samrose | but actually you'll need to edit the makefile. | 03:22 |
| kanzure | I was making that up | 03:22 |
| kanzure | I don't know how to edit the makefile | 03:22 |
| samrose | ah, ok | 03:22 |
| samrose | gotta run, but if you still don't figure out, feel free to email me. I can redo on my pc sometime soon. | 03:23 |
| kanzure | woah wtf | 03:35 |
| kanzure | the MIT guys working on a repository | 03:35 |
| kanzure | say that the designs that they are working with are 100GB+ of data | 03:35 |
| kanzure | and that this is why they use svn instead of git (local histories ..) | 03:36 |
| kanzure | (client load issues) | 03:36 |
| * kanzure needs to ask them wtf they are doing | 03:36 | |
| kanzure | huh | 04:30 |
| kanzure | besides being terrible, brlcad isn't too terrible I guess | 04:30 |
| kanzure | I kind of hate that it requires a 3-button mouse (it means I have to lean over and delicately remove the current mouse .. which might mean a mobo hitting some metal (it's resting on a feather)) | 04:31 |
| kanzure | and that the default mged viewing mode doesn't allow object selection and modification with the mouse, which is awkward. | 04:31 |
| kanzure | I think this is how old cad programs used to be though | 04:32 |
| kanzure | yeah, so unplugging the mouse + reinstall => dead box. fix was "move around the motherboard a bit and hope." | 04:46 |
| kanzure | well this sucks. now the kernel is segfaulting all the time. what do I do.. | 04:55 |
| kanzure | I guess I had a reboot to do at some point | 04:55 |
| kanzure | "Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt". :( | 05:46 |
| kanzure | So the only bootstrapping method I have available at this hour is to figure out how to get a boot sector on the external hdd, bring the /book/ dir on the server down, and try to boot up some recovery linux iso from the external to the panic box (leibniz), and then hope I can figure out how to download an older kernel image without breaking debian | 06:08 |
| kanzure | huh, Hugh Laurie was doing Saturday Night Live earlier tonight. wasn't bad. | 06:09 |
| gene | kanzure are you there | 06:17 |
| kanzure | sort of | 06:18 |
| kanzure | one of my boxes has died and went to heaven | 06:18 |
| gene | ah sit | 06:18 |
| gene | can we talk tomorrow about algae at about 12 | 06:18 |
| kanzure | noon? | 06:19 |
| kanzure | yes, if I'm awake. | 06:20 |
| kanzure | have you tried out brlcad? | 06:20 |
| gene | yeah | 06:20 |
| kanzure | I was using it for a few minutes earlier tonight, before the box died | 06:20 |
| gene | no | 06:20 |
| kanzure | seemed ok to me. | 06:20 |
| kanzure | blah | 06:20 |
| gene | So I am watching transformers, and they seem semifeasible | 06:24 |
| kanzure | The cartoons? | 06:24 |
| gene | no michael bay one | 06:25 |
| gene | if you have a bunch of parts that can assemble themselve | 06:27 |
| kanzure | Did you ever see the animecon folks who would dress up as transformers? | 06:27 |
| kanzure | they would kneel down and their costume would fold up / "transform" | 06:28 |
| gene | they could potentially reassemble themselve | 06:28 |
| gene | into different configurations | 06:29 |
| gene | now if you have the right part geometries you might be able to interface them with a large set of other parts | 06:33 |
| kanzure | Does anybody think that using an ubuntu live cd or knoppix live cd to apt-get install me a new kernel with a proper chroot would be ok? I seem to recall apt behaving differently in knoppix, ubuntu, and debian. | 06:35 |
| kanzure | I guess apt might read from config files if chroot is in effect. | 06:35 |
| gene | if your set of other parts is quantitized this becomes easier | 06:35 |
| kanzure | yeah it's just flexible manufacturing systems except on a portable platform | 06:36 |
| kanzure | except not 'manufacturing'. | 06:36 |
| gene | and the dissipating power of a transformer is really really high | 06:37 |
| kanzure | don't know if you know about 'fms' (flexible manufac..), but the concept is to reconfigure machinery to do some new task | 06:37 |
| kanzure | a Transformer or transformer? | 06:37 |
| gene | and can only be accounted for with nuclear power | 06:37 |
| gene | Transformer | 06:37 |
| gene | yeah | 06:38 |
| gene | but if you have the right build system, you could make things like transformers | 06:40 |
| kanzure | gene, where can I buy a thumbdrive at this hour of night, within walking distance? | 06:42 |
| gene | try seven eleven | 06:42 |
| kanzure | really? | 06:43 |
| gene | they probably have 64 mb ones | 06:43 |
| kanzure | I've never seen thumbdrives at seven-eleven's. | 06:43 |
| gene | damn if this was my old school you could look for a vending machine | 06:43 |
| gene | they had vending machine that sold flashdrives and other handy things | 06:45 |
| gene | wait do you need a flashdrive? | 06:46 |
| gene | I have a couple spares | 06:46 |
| kanzure | I need a flash drive that I can install linux on | 06:46 |
| gene | how much storage would that use? | 06:46 |
| gene | less than a gig? | 06:47 |
| kanzure | give me a few moments | 06:47 |
| kanzure | well it will probably require a full reformatting | 06:47 |
| gene | well how badly do you need a flash drive | 06:48 |
| kanzure | more than half a gig. | 06:48 |
| kanzure | well | 06:48 |
| kanzure | I'll probably just buy one tomorrow | 06:48 |
| kanzure | I need to get myself one anyway. | 06:48 |
| kanzure | where else might I go to buy one though? | 06:50 |
| gene | wellI have a sd card flash drive that has a few pictures on it | 06:50 |
| gene | I can take the pictures off and it will be fine | 06:51 |
| kanzure | that'd be nice. I'll see if I can't get one by noon tomorrow. | 06:53 |
| gene | as long as you can get it back to me by2 | 06:53 |
| gene | before 2 | 06:54 |
| kanzure | what type of a place has vending machines that spit out flash drives anyway? | 06:54 |
| gene | my old school did, japan | 06:54 |
| kanzure | it sounded like a japan thing, yes | 06:54 |
| kanzure | why were you in japan? | 06:55 |
| gene | heh, transformers apparently use either dna computers or quantum computers | 06:56 |
| gene | I wasn't | 06:56 |
| gene | I was in texas | 06:56 |
| gene | or transformers use chemical based actuators that don't work at cryogenic temperatures | 07:00 |
| gene | heh, you can't heat something up to roomtemp from cryogenic temperature in a couple of seconds and expect it to work | 07:02 |
| gene | so if you come to carothers, I can give you the flash drive | 07:06 |
| gene | if you have any working computer could you backup the data on it? | 07:07 |
| gene | real men don't use backups | 07:11 |
| gene | and you might even be interested in the data I have on there | 07:13 |
| kanzure | yes, I'm capable of doing backups | 07:23 |
| kanzure | I have a few extra terabytes not filled up laying around here | 07:23 |
| gene | ok do you want the drive right now? | 07:36 |
| gene | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:MovieCybertron.jpg | 07:39 |
| gene | so what's right with this picture? | 07:39 |
| gene | it appears to have a large area | 07:42 |
| gene | larger area= better heat dissipation | 07:42 |
| kanzure | where is carothers? | 07:46 |
| gene | are you still there? | 08:20 |
| kanzure | yes] | 08:20 |
| gene | ok I told you where it is | 08:22 |
| kanzure | I'm not goung out right now, or later | 08:22 |
| gene | ok | 08:22 |
| gene | http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10547987 | 08:23 |
| gene | whoa | 08:23 |
| kanzure | what is it? | 08:23 |
| kanzure | I don't have a browser right now. | 08:23 |
| gene | hmmm... btw it's lunar perigee | 08:23 |
| gene | oh | 08:23 |
| gene | the article, a meteor hit a warehouse | 08:23 |
| gene | and destroyed it | 08:23 |
| gene | a meteor destroyed a building | 08:25 |
| kanzure | size? | 08:25 |
| gene | it started a fire | 08:30 |
| gene | size uncharacterized | 08:30 |
| gene | so if you were being pursued by a robot how would you attack it? | 08:37 |
| fenn | the sensors | 08:38 |
| fenn | there's actually a google tech talk on this exact subject | 08:38 |
| kanzure | do we have emp? | 08:38 |
| gene | you can't use an emp | 08:38 |
| kanzure | why not? | 08:38 |
| fenn | "how to survive a robot uprising" | 08:38 |
| gene | it might be faraday caged | 08:38 |
| gene | yup have the book | 08:38 |
| gene | on my shelf | 08:39 |
| fenn | then wtf are you asking us for | 08:39 |
| kanzure | it's required reading for the Austin Robot Group | 08:39 |
| gene | within almost arms reach | 08:39 |
| gene | well because | 08:39 |
| gene | I think they left out some important methods of attacking robots, like throwing paint at the sensors | 08:39 |
| fenn | or covering your body in cool mud to fool the IR cameras? | 08:40 |
| fenn | or making traps out of suspended logs and boulders | 08:40 |
| kanzure | the other day I was looking for a prayer/verse to our savior robot overlords, but I couldn't find anything. I was thinking of writing a few prayers to the new robot overlords, but I didn't get around to it | 08:40 |
| gene | camera covered in paint > body covered in mud | 08:40 |
| fenn | or lowering them into a vat of molten steel, after a long heart to processor conversation | 08:40 |
| kanzure | unless you're Arnold | 08:40 |
| kanzure | then mud is manly and sufficient | 08:40 |
| gene | hmm... I wonder if you could make a gun that shoots black epoxy that hardens in minutes, so you could take out sensors and actuators | 08:41 |
| fenn | minutes? | 08:42 |
| gene | epoxy has to harden | 08:42 |
| gene | realisitically this might take minutes | 08:42 |
| gene | especially if your target is moving | 08:43 |
| fenn | have you seen "desert punk"? | 08:43 |
| gene | no what's that | 08:44 |
| fenn | it's about a guy with lots of dirty tricks | 08:45 |
| gene | heh | 08:45 |
| gene | how else would you defeat a robot army | 08:46 |
| fenn | with a robot army, duh. | 08:46 |
| kanzure | what type of robot army though? | 08:46 |
| fenn | a better one | 08:46 |
| kanzure | I mean, an army of Big Dogs might be interesting, but an army of "big blue" is going to be embarrasing | 08:47 |
| fenn | yeah, whales arent really my style | 08:47 |
| kanzure | "big blue" is the small robot made out of two metal plates and two servos | 08:47 |
| kanzure | wait, maybe I have my name wrong | 08:47 |
| kanzure | "Big Dog" isn't a whale either. | 08:47 |
| fenn | http://img.groundspeak.com/waymarking/e400658d-6005-4ed8-874e-0516f7ff2564.jpg | 08:48 |
| fenn | all aboard! | 08:48 |
| kanzure | I'm dead at the moment, box dead | 08:48 |
| fenn | no loss | 08:48 |
| fenn | aside from your box that is | 08:48 |
| kanzure | I was having fun playing around with brlcad | 08:48 |
| kanzure | until I decided to try to install a three-button mouse. | 08:49 |
| kanzure | apparently i had a new kernel waiting to boot up into | 08:49 |
| fenn | er, you can just click the scroll wheel you know | 08:49 |
| kanzure | by three-button I mean scroll-wheel mouse. | 08:49 |
| kanzure | I had a two-button mouse. | 08:49 |
| fenn | or click left and right at the same time | 08:49 |
| kanzure | for some reason. why did I even have that type? | 08:49 |
| kanzure | double clicking wasn't sufficient. | 08:49 |
| kanzure | erm, clicking-both-at-once. | 08:49 |
| gene | hmmm... it would be interesting to spray a big dog with epoxy to see it it is a viable method for achiving actuator kills | 08:50 |
| kanzure | is there more than one big dog yet? | 08:50 |
| fenn | i think gorilla glue would work better | 08:50 |
| fenn | or "Great Stuff" - same thing really | 08:50 |
| kanzure | I know they have a mini dog or something | 08:51 |
| gene | fenn you might be right | 08:51 |
| gene | wonder if epoxy could take down a CIWS phalanx | 08:51 |
| fenn | i saw some non-lethal weapons show about this glue gun | 08:51 |
| gene | NON LETHAL TO HUMANS | 08:52 |
| gene | hahaha | 08:52 |
| fenn | well, unless they get it on your face | 08:52 |
| gene | heh | 08:52 |
| fenn | they half-buried this guy in glue in like ten seconds | 08:52 |
| kanzure | what's this .g format thingy for 'mged' ? | 08:54 |
| fenn | the brlcad format | 08:54 |
| kanzure | it's not gcode, is it? | 08:54 |
| fenn | no | 08:54 |
| kanzure | good good | 08:54 |
| kanzure | it seems to call itself a 'database' | 08:54 |
| kanzure | so is it anything more than geometry? | 08:54 |
| fenn | there are a couple trees showing relationships between the objects | 08:55 |
| * kanzure got his filter cross section to show up in brlcad before his crash | 08:55 | |
| fenn | and materials n stuff | 08:55 |
| gene | never figured out BRL cad | 08:56 |
| gene | dowloaded it, turned it on, text interface, ??? | 08:57 |
| kanzure | it wasn't too hard for me. | 08:57 |
| kanzure | no, there's more than text | 08:57 |
| kanzure | try the mged interface for the graphics | 08:57 |
| fenn | you have to actually read the tutorial | 08:57 |
| kanzure | the command line stuff is just like ancient cad I think | 08:57 |
| fenn | the interface is pretty weird | 08:57 |
| kanzure | I've never used ancient CAD stuff where you typed in commands, but I don't seem to mind it so far | 08:57 |
| gene | that's why I don't use BRL CAD | 08:57 |
| kanzure | the raytracer is *weird* though | 08:58 |
| gene | oh | 08:58 |
| kanzure | they have it routed into the framebuffer | 08:58 |
| gene | ok | 08:58 |
| kanzure | behind the 2D display | 08:58 |
| gene | this was years ago | 08:58 |
| fenn | i could never tell if that was on purpose or not | 08:58 |
| fenn | they were talking about openGL being a new feature | 08:58 |
| kanzure | a checkbox for "open in new window" would have been appropriate and not hard .. | 08:58 |
| kanzure | seriously, just spawn a visualization program | 08:58 |
| kanzure | it's not like there's any interactive 3D modification going on | 08:59 |
| kanzure | or rotation for that matter .. | 08:59 |
| fenn | you can change the mouse bindings to do rotation | 08:59 |
| kanzure | ah, I'll have to look into that | 08:59 |
| kanzure | overall it seems ok so far | 08:59 |
| fenn | btw the new interface "archer" doesnt seem to be all that different | 08:59 |
| kanzure | ah, didn't know | 09:00 |
| fenn | at least the last time i checked (a year ago) | 09:00 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/brlcad.html <- my notes on what to pass to the configure script to get the source to compile | 09:00 |
| kanzure | for some reason the linux binaries are 64 bit only. | 09:00 |
| fenn | that's new | 09:01 |
| kanzure | well it was the link from the download page, I didn't explore the other sourceforge packages, maybe I was secretly routed to a 64-bit only category. | 09:01 |
| fenn | welp bedtime for me | 09:02 |
| kanzure | oh | 09:03 |
| fenn | i hope i get excited about grad school some time between now and tomorrow, so i have something to write about | 09:03 |
| kanzure | still waiting to hear back from the MIT people from the open design groups or whatever | 09:03 |
| kanzure | they claim they have 100 GB designs (individually) that they are working wiht | 09:03 |
| fenn | yeah that sounds like BS | 09:03 |
| kanzure | I've asked what the hell they're doing with 100 GB for a single design project, will see. | 09:04 |
| kanzure | right | 09:04 |
| kanzure | ho ho ho | 09:11 |
| kanzure | Text mining position / metadata position at Nature.com available | 09:11 |
| kanzure | "looking for a semantic webhead" | 09:11 |
| gene | heh | 09:15 |
| gene | but not too far | 09:31 |
| ybit | kanzure: you're an early riser | 14:22 |
| kanzure | at about four in the morning I wondered why I was awake, so. | 14:23 |
| ybit | i wondered that too, still wondering | 14:24 |
| ybit | (concerning myself) | 14:24 |
| kanzure | with you I'm sure it was some wacky dance club. | 14:25 |
| ybit | haha | 14:25 |
| ybit | nope, you can ask phreedom. it's been awhile since i've been partying | 14:26 |
| Phreedom | huh? | 14:26 |
| Phreedom | someone called me? ;) | 14:26 |
| ybit | i'm glued to my pc constantly. phreedom, back me up on this ;) | 14:27 |
| ybit | actually, i'm glued to the bed more than the comp. | 14:27 |
| ybit | except for tonight | 14:28 |
| Phreedom | just get yourself a bicycle ;) | 14:28 |
| ybit | heh | 14:28 |
| Phreedom | it's -5C outside and I'm still riding it comfortably :) | 14:28 |
| ybit | you're russian, it's expected. i would need a car in that kind of weather, or some form of public transporation | 14:30 |
| kanzure | you don't need to be russian to take it like a man | 14:30 |
| kanzure | :p | 14:30 |
| * kanzure is still living in warm Austin, Texas, so ;-) | 14:31 | |
| ybit | heh | 14:31 |
| ybit | i think it snowed there right? | 14:31 |
| ybit | my jap friend said it snowed in houston | 14:31 |
| Phreedom | temps here don't usually go lower than -20C + wind | 14:31 |
| Phreedom | yeah just a lil bit of snow | 14:31 |
| Phreedom | barely noticeable | 14:31 |
| kanzure | well, it wasn't what you think of as true snow :-) more like "super-advanced hail that flakes as it falls" | 14:31 |
| ybit | btw, has anyone noticed that google maps has expanded their street views? it's so easy to stalk others now, w00t | 14:32 |
| Phreedom | more things you can do out of your bed | 14:32 |
| kanzure | I've been meaning to figure out where some panaromic pictures were taken at some location | 14:32 |
| kanzure | unfortunately there's no businesses to speak of, but there are streets | 14:32 |
| kanzure | can't make out any addresses, so that's also a difficulty | 14:32 |
| ybit | they covered my neighborhood, but skipped my street, as i told Phreedom earlier | 14:32 |
| ybit | http://maps.google.com/maps?q=east+bailey+springs+drive,+florence,+al&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&resnum=1&ct=title | 14:33 |
| ybit | yes, this machine is running ubuntu | 14:34 |
| ybit | my reputation just dropped a point, didn't it? :P | 14:35 |
| Phreedom | yeah | 14:36 |
| Phreedom | should have at least ran kubuntu ;) | 14:36 |
| kanzure | not really. I downloaded ubuntu ibex last night, so don't feel bad. | 14:36 |
| kanzure | wouldn't kubuntu be worse? | 14:36 |
| ybit | that's what i'm using | 14:36 |
| ybit | i think kubuntu is better | 14:36 |
| Phreedom | ok let's just admit everyone here is using windows ;) | 14:36 |
| Phreedom | yeah kde is better | 14:36 |
| ybit | 4.x is sweet | 14:36 |
| Phreedom | 3.5 is very nice too | 14:36 |
| kanzure | oh, I thought kubuntu is the education version | 14:36 |
| kanzure | but KDE, sure. | 14:36 |
| kanzure | okay. | 14:36 |
| ybit | screw stability! | 14:36 |
| Phreedom | ybit it's not about stability | 14:37 |
| kanzure | Phreedom: I'm a debian fanatic :-/ | 14:37 |
| kanzure | I have three boxen here on debian, and I've been converting the labs I go to. | 14:37 |
| Phreedom | it's more apps and ability to test live kde4 builds on my real home | 14:37 |
| ybit | brlcad is in the ubuntu repos which is why i was wondering why you didn't apt-get it kanzure | 14:37 |
| Phreedom | kanzure: no problem about it | 14:37 |
| kanzure | ybit: could you show me your sources.list? | 14:37 |
| ybit | one sec | 14:38 |
| Phreedom | I have nothing against deb, except that I was silly enough to install kubuntu and it kinda worked and I got stuck because changing a distro is a nightmare | 14:38 |
| kanzure | what's the problem with kubuntu? ubuntu is generally a derivative of debian. | 14:38 |
| ybit | http://dpaste.com/99000/ | 14:38 |
| kanzure | ybit: thanks. will check later today when I get back a browser :-). | 14:39 |
| ybit | eh? no links or w3m available? | 14:39 |
| Phreedom | kanzure: I think ubuntu should have just offered deb to maintain another branch... instead of going this "roll our own" way | 14:39 |
| ybit | IRCing from the phone maybe? | 14:39 |
| Phreedom | kanzure: it's Mark Shuttleworth's "vision" kinda like he decided to write bzr because he couldn't understand how to use git :) | 14:40 |
| ybit | hehe | 14:40 |
| Phreedom | and didn't think that somebody might write 10 lines of ruby/python code to make git behave just like bzr :) | 14:40 |
| Phreedom | ubuntu, launchpad and other his stuff is much like this | 14:41 |
| Phreedom | he's got "vision", he's got money to maintain his own product line | 14:41 |
| Phreedom | even if it's mostly hype | 14:42 |
| kanzure | I wonder if we can push packaged open source hardware on him, "think of the developing world!" | 14:45 |
| ybit | sure, after some other community has made a stable working concept :) | 14:48 |
| kanzure | what is your "sure" based off of? | 14:48 |
| ybit | debian/ubuntu | 14:48 |
| kanzure | } gene, can you burn discs? | 19:33 |
| gene | hell yeah | 19:33 |
| gene | if you can get to me before 3:30 | 19:33 |
| gene | I am a bit busy right now | 19:34 |
| kanzure | when would be a good time? | 19:34 |
| gene | you got a disk? | 19:35 |
| gene | as fast as possible | 19:36 |
| kanzure | I have discs, yes. just give me 20 minutes to download another ISO and I can be over. | 19:37 |
| gene | how fast can you burn a disk? | 19:38 |
| kanzure | wait, what? | 19:38 |
| kanzure | I'm asking if you can burn for me. | 19:38 |
| gene | yeah I can burn it for you | 19:40 |
| gene | I don't have any disks | 19:40 |
| gene | oh you wouldn't happen to have any r0ms? | 19:41 |
| kanzure | what platforms? | 19:41 |
| gene | any platform | 19:42 |
| kanzure | actually no, I don't have any roms. | 19:43 |
| kanzure | hrm, except for maybe a Banjo Kazooie copy | 19:43 |
| kanzure | and Spyro. | 19:43 |
| gene | do you have it on any portable media? | 19:44 |
| kanzure | it's about to be. | 19:44 |
| fenn | http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/sol-deace.bin | 19:44 |
| gene | I don't download things | 19:44 |
| fenn | oh, pardon me | 19:44 |
| gene | I prefer sneakernets | 19:44 |
| fenn | i don't drink milk either | 19:45 |
| gene | I don't download things from my dorm | 19:45 |
| fenn | i can encrypt it if you would like | 19:45 |
| gene | well then | 19:45 |
| fenn | http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/sol-deace.bin.zip pw: geneisafucktard | 19:47 |
| gene | hehe | 19:48 |
| bkero | Hehe | 19:48 |
| bkero | Any l33t burr1t0 worth his salt has a complete n64 romset | 19:48 |
| fenn | is that like a b33n burr1t0? | 19:49 |
| gene | I make no claims of l33tn355 | 19:49 |
| gene | I just too much of a panzy to download n64 roms on my own computer | 19:50 |
| kanzure | god you guys suck | 19:50 |
| fenn | having a super fast connection at uni is sort of pointless if you can't use it | 19:50 |
| gene | and I don't have any joysticks | 19:50 |
| * kanzure looks for a new bunch of h@x0rz | 19:50 | |
| kanzure | gene: fenn really does have a point | 19:50 |
| kanzure | you've been missing out. | 19:51 |
| gene | lol I don't know internets | 19:51 |
| gene | plus I ain't a real big video game player | 19:52 |
| gene | and supposedly they offer prizes for ousting pirates | 19:53 |
| kanzure | who's "they" | 19:54 |
| kanzure | if you're really that broke anyway, why not drop out and get a job? | 19:54 |
| gene | I don't know one of the RAS guys was telling me about it | 19:54 |
| fenn | if you put a scroll with a dagger stuck in it on your door, would that give you away? | 19:55 |
| fenn | or other piratey things | 19:55 |
| fenn | like owning a parro | 19:55 |
| fenn | parrot* | 19:55 |
| kanzure | fenn: I've been singing pirate songs since I've got here, and not only do they not suspect me as being a pirate, but the entire floor has spontaneously broken out into pirate song and dance | 19:56 |
| fenn | all pirates | 19:56 |
| kanzure | so it turns out the guy in the room over is big into computer science, and all this time I haven't really known it | 19:56 |
| kanzure | "bryan, how do you think I know about compiler theory" | 19:56 |
| kanzure | "well. uh. just laughing along?" | 19:56 |
| kanzure | *fail* | 19:56 |
| gene | argh | 19:57 |
| fenn | i'm still having a hard time believing they actually teach classes about this stuff | 19:58 |
| kanzure | I haven't seen the classes yet, so they might still just be a lie | 19:59 |
| fenn | that's what all my experience so far points to | 19:59 |
| gene | oh hey kanzure, do you want the unit passwords and tests for that programming class so you can get a head start on it? | 19:59 |
| kanzure | another guy on my floor is doing psych+compsci | 19:59 |
| kanzure | gene: i guess | 19:59 |
| gene | heh thinking machines | 19:59 |
| gene | they might change em though | 20:00 |
| fenn | at IU there's a "cognitive science" department | 20:00 |
| fenn | they stuff all the robotics nerds there | 20:00 |
| kanzure | neat. | 20:00 |
| fenn | (not that there are very many) | 20:00 |
| fenn | it all seemed sort of wishy washy philosophical though | 20:00 |
| gene | robotic nerds as in robots that are nerds? | 20:00 |
| fenn | kind of how i feel about psychology | 20:00 |
| fenn | ^robotics | 20:01 |
| gene | i didn't know those existed yet | 20:01 |
| kanzure | yeah it's mostly bullshit | 20:01 |
| fenn | english doesnt use plural adjectives | 20:01 |
| gene | you know I think that language greatly hinders our math ability | 20:02 |
| gene | if we had a better language we might be able to do math better | 20:02 |
| fenn | hmmm | 20:02 |
| * fenn had a depressing experience trying to learn lojban | 20:02 | |
| gene | each number would be structured like an address and easy to say universal address | 20:04 |
| fenn | uh.. what would you use for addresses then? | 20:05 |
| gene | sounds and easy to write patterns of course | 20:05 |
| gene | as in patterns that interlock easily and are dissimilar to each other | 20:06 |
| fenn | why the emphasis on numbers anyway? when's the last time you said a number greater than 10? | 20:06 |
| gene | friday | 20:06 |
| gene | yesterday | 20:07 |
| gene | I think probably a couple times this week | 20:07 |
| gene | I don't know this is just a crazy idea I came up with | 20:07 |
| kanzure | yes, we've all done conlangs at one point or another | 20:12 |
| kanzure | I had one going called 'Affe' without objects | 20:13 |
| fenn | i hear Inuit language(?) has no nouns, only processes | 20:13 |
| gene | kanzure are you going to burn a disk or not? | 20:14 |
| gene | er use my computer to burn a disk | 20:14 |
| kanzure | it just finished downloading a few minutes ago | 20:18 |
| kanzure | so hold on a sec. | 20:18 |
| bkero | nerds | 20:18 |
| kanzure | bkero: at least I don't have 20 copies of "barbie princess N64" in my collection | 20:20 |
| kanzure | still copying .. | 20:21 |
| bkero | kanzure: Fuck you. It's 'complete.' :( | 20:22 |
| gene | hahahaha | 20:25 |
| gene | hey kanzure when are you leaving for break? | 20:25 |
| kanzure | tuesday | 20:26 |
| kanzure | I'm having cleaning service show up on tuesday, so once they leave I'm gone | 20:26 |
| gene | can you receive private messages? | 20:27 |
| kanzure | yes, but I don't know what's so private about the messages you send me | 20:28 |
| bkero | Secret government spy stuff | 20:51 |
| gene | No it's more like Illuminati type things | 20:52 |
| kanzure | most people don't think there's a difference. | 20:53 |
| gene | heh | 20:53 |
| gene | well the best way to keep it secret is not to keep it secret | 20:53 |
| gene | because no one will believe you either way | 20:54 |
| gene | and the ones that do are crazy | 20:54 |
| kanzure | here's one for the lazy files: not doing "apt-get install kdesktop" and instead going through some elaborate scheming in a terrible attempt to manually hex edit the boot sector of a usb thumbdrive. | 21:01 |
| fenn | uh.. grub-install? | 21:02 |
| kanzure | I'm thinking of trying out the gui for ubuntu usb creation thingy | 21:03 |
| kanzure | huh, it installed wmii for me. geeze, thanks kdesktop. | 21:11 |
| kanzure | this is so stupid. /me reboots, hoping he doesn't have yet another kernel to install on *this* box | 21:33 |
| kanzure_ | So magically I no longer have kernel panics? /me sits and ponders. | 23:08 |
| percent | kanzure_: What OS? | 23:44 |
| percent | Gentoo? | 23:44 |
| kanzure | debian | 23:44 |
| percent | loser | 23:44 |
| percent | install a REAL linux | 23:45 |
| kanzure | bah, real men compile everything by counting on their toes. | 23:46 |
| kanzure | aha | 23:57 |
| kanzure | there it goes | 23:57 |
| kanzure | froze. | 23:57 |
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