| --- Day changed Fri Dec 19 2008 | ||
| ybit | indeed, played too much sports when i was young | 00:07 |
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| ybit | hp 2133 looks okay | 00:07 |
| * kanzure_ also has gorilla hands. :-/ | 00:17 | |
| kanzure_ | I played around with an eeepc the other day in class. | 00:18 |
| bkero | hp2133 is ok if you don't mind the processor being completely anemic | 00:35 |
| kanzure_ | wtf is this | 00:36 |
| kanzure_ | United Nations Layout Keys | 00:36 |
| kanzure_ | ECE/UNCTAD Trade Data Elements Directory | 00:39 |
| kanzure_ | hrm | 00:39 |
| kanzure_ | http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/cd-UBL-1.0/xsd/maindoc/UBL-Order-1.0.xsd | 00:44 |
| kanzure_ | hahah | 00:58 |
| kanzure_ | fenn: Deepak (Mr. Tinkercell) found me comments about his softwwwware | 00:58 |
| kanzure_ | and is interested in developers | 00:58 |
| kanzure_ | so it looks like we're his steering committee :-p | 00:58 |
| fenn | oh boy | 01:07 |
| fenn | does that mean i have to download it? | 01:07 |
| kanzure_ | nope, you can just act like it | 01:07 |
| kanzure_ | I didn't really get much out of clicking around it | 01:08 |
| kanzure_ | http://taverna.sourceforge.net/ "Taverna allows users to integrate many different software tools, including web services from many different domains, such as chemistry, music and social sciences. Bioinformatics services include those provided by the National Center for Biotechnology Information, The European Bioinformatics Institute, the DNA Databank of Japan (DDBJ), SoapLab, BioMOBY and EMBOSS." | 01:12 |
| kanzure_ | "The Taverna Workbench provides a desktop authoring environment and enactment engine for scientific workflows. The myExperiment social web site supports finding and sharing of workflows and has special support for Taverna workflows. The Taverna workbench, myExperiment and associated components are developed and maintained by the myGrid team, in collaboration with the open source community." | 01:12 |
| kanzure_ | "Effectively Taverna allows a scientist with limited computing background and limited technical resources and support to construct highly complex analyses over public and private data and computational resources, all from a standard PC, UNIX box or Apple computer. " | 01:12 |
| kanzure_ | http://taverna.sourceforge.net/images/t2-workflow-design.png | 01:14 |
| kanzure_ | looks like UML-to-code. | 01:14 |
| kanzure_ | I hear that UML-to-code stuff failed terribly in the past | 01:14 |
| kanzure_ | Who has a demonoid account here? | 01:22 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/1169431/3906481/ Gingery Building a machine shop from scrap complete series | 01:22 |
| kanzure_ | (am seeding) | 01:22 |
| kanzure_ | it's only 8 books though | 01:22 |
| ybit | i'm thinking inspiron mini 12: http://tinyurl.com/4gd9lx | 01:27 |
| gene | heh | 01:27 |
| gene | so you're snowed in fenn? | 01:27 |
| gene | instead of building UAVs to move stuff around you should build a jet propelled sled | 01:29 |
| kanzure_ | gene: go post your hand held factory thingy to om | 01:34 |
| kanzure_ | Or Else. | 01:34 |
| gene | k | 01:34 |
| kanzure_ | http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing | 01:34 |
| kanzure_ | click register | 01:35 |
| kanzure_ | then send email to openmanufacturing@googlegroups.com | 01:35 |
| fenn | kanzure_: i have other gingery books if you want them | 01:40 |
| kanzure_ | yes please. | 01:41 |
| kanzure_ | I wonder if we can get a full collection | 01:41 |
| fenn | http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/Gingery - Build a Coil Winding Machine.pdf | 01:43 |
| fenn | http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/furnace.tar.bz2 | 01:44 |
| fenn | hmm i guess that's all the others | 01:46 |
| fenn | i dont have the whole series even | 01:46 |
| fenn | what's the deal with demonoid? | 01:50 |
| kanzure_ | what do you mean, deal? | 01:55 |
| fenn | the whole "no public registrations except for once in a while at the first of the month" thing | 02:09 |
| fenn | "to avoid running out of resources" whatever that means | 02:10 |
| ybit | i forget how much faster awesome wm and xmonad are compared to the typical wms | 02:20 |
| kanzure_ | fenn: what's in the furnace booooooooook collection? | 02:48 |
| kanzure_ | I have electrical-resistance-shop-furnace, making-crucibles, gas-fired-crucible-furnace | 02:49 |
| fenn | gas fired crucible furnace | 02:49 |
| kanzure_ | blah, okay. the other two will finish downloading in an hour ish. | 02:50 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.wikicfp.com/cfp/servlet/event.showcfp?eventid=4328 BioSysBio 2009 (I'm finally adding some CFPs myself instead of just emailing to wikicfp@gmail.com ..) | 03:13 |
| kanzure_ | fenn: DC is Deepak. | 03:13 |
| fenn | what is CFP? | 03:19 |
| kanzure_ | calls for paper | 03:20 |
| kanzure_ | call for papers | 03:20 |
| kanzure_ | and wikicfp is for calls for papers. | 03:20 |
| gene | posted to OM | 03:36 |
| kanzure_ | yay | 03:36 |
| gene | electrical resistance shop furnace sounds cool | 03:37 |
| gene | can you adjust the temperature "precisely"? | 03:37 |
| fenn | the gingery furnace doesn't have a temperature control (i think) | 03:37 |
| fenn | but you can easily add one | 03:37 |
| fenn | ah right, i think it's just "open loop" set the power level dealie | 03:38 |
| kanzure_ | oh, should I upload | 03:38 |
| * kanzure_ uploads | 03:38 | |
| gene | really, you don't need Farby-Perot interferometers? | 03:38 |
| fenn | uh. | 03:38 |
| fenn | you mean a thermocouple? | 03:38 |
| gene | no farby-perot interferometers are what you use at really high temperatures | 03:38 |
| fenn | no, x-ray spectrometer is what you use at really high temperatures | 03:39 |
| gene | heh | 03:39 |
| gene | really? | 03:39 |
| fenn | yeah because the ions give off x-rays when they bang together at high speed | 03:39 |
| gene | you can make a farby perot interferometer a lot cheaper than an xray spectrometer i believe | 03:40 |
| gene | http://www.laserfaq.org/sam/laserlia.htm#liasgsf1 | 03:42 |
| gene | but it won't withstand high temperatures | 03:42 |
| kanzure_ | this sucks, 60 KB/sec. will take 1 hr 20 min to upload the 250 MB. Incomplete collection - there's another ~100 MB to upload. | 03:42 |
| kanzure_ | heh, all hail Sam. | 03:42 |
| gene | whatch uploading? | 03:42 |
| gene | gingery? | 03:42 |
| kanzure_ | gingery books | 03:42 |
| gene | codename gingerbread house | 03:43 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/gingery/ <- not the gingery books, but other gingery stuff - images, some PDFs, schematics, .. | 03:43 |
| gene | how good is the coil winder | 03:45 |
| kanzure_ | what's a coil winder? does it do what it says it is? | 03:45 |
| gene | it winds coils | 03:46 |
| kanzure_ | okey dokey | 03:46 |
| gene | more specifically how does the gingery coil winder work | 03:46 |
| * kanzure_ looks | 03:47 | |
| gene | does it have a serious wire feeding mechanism? | 03:48 |
| gene | or is it just a wheel | 03:49 |
| gene | or not even a wheel | 03:49 |
| gene | heh you have a bunch of 3d models of Babylon five spaceships | 03:50 |
| kanzure_ | do I? | 03:50 |
| kanzure_ | link? | 03:50 |
| gene | yes | 03:51 |
| gene | I know what you would 3d print | 03:51 |
| kanzure_ | a legion of doom? | 03:51 |
| gene | you also have 3d models of 2001 spaceships | 03:52 |
| kanzure_ | these are just meshes | 03:52 |
| fenn | how is gingery 350MB? is it just raw scans? (no OCR) | 03:52 |
| gene | we should ask Wood about running some off | 03:52 |
| kanzure_ | fenn: raw scans, yes. | 03:52 |
| fenn | bah | 03:53 |
| kanzure_ | fenn: I posted to om today asking a place to put bug reports | 03:53 |
| kanzure_ | clearly this is a bug | 03:53 |
| kanzure_ | we should have schematics/models files for these.. | 03:53 |
| kanzure_ | and PSL or something :p | 03:53 |
| fenn | for gingery machines? | 03:54 |
| kanzure_ | nod | 03:55 |
| fenn | well, i wouldnt call it a bug | 03:56 |
| ybit | http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/penelope_boston.html | 03:57 |
| kanzure_ | don't people fill up the bug depos with reports about features not existing? | 03:57 |
| kanzure_ | ybit: topic? | 03:57 |
| ybit | Penelope Boston: Life on Mars? Let's look in the caves | 03:57 |
| ybit | was getting to it :) | 03:57 |
| * fenn wonders if that's a real name | 03:57 | |
| kanzure_ | who's this "us" in let's? | 03:57 |
| fenn | gingery.zip is what you're uploading? | 04:03 |
| kanzure_ | no | 04:04 |
| kanzure_ | I'm uploading to gingery_books in /books/Manufacturing/gingery/ | 04:04 |
| kanzure_ | so it's /books/Manufacturing/gingery/gingery_books/ | 04:04 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.wikicfp.com/cfp/call?conference=e-commerce huh | 04:04 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.wikicfp.com/cfp/call?conference=design%20automation huh^2 | 04:04 |
| fenn | not really what i would call design automation | 04:05 |
| kanzure_ | neat, there's something in austin. deadline is .. four days from now | 04:05 |
| kanzure_ | some of them are. '46th Design automation conference' | 04:05 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.dac.com/ | 04:06 |
| kanzure_ | hm, this is mostly IC stuff. | 04:06 |
| kanzure_ | EDA/IC stuff. | 04:06 |
| fenn | yup | 04:07 |
| fenn | only industry that doesnt have their heads up their asses | 04:07 |
| kanzure_ | well actually | 04:07 |
| fenn | i think not being able to see something changes the way you think about it | 04:07 |
| kanzure_ | my father worked in that industry, they're clueless | 04:07 |
| kanzure_ | at least Freescale Semiconductor was :-) | 04:07 |
| kanzure_ | and my mom was AMD | 04:07 |
| kanzure_ | hm. | 04:08 |
| kanzure_ | well, freescale was getting so bad that the manufacturing left hand didn't know what thhhe right hand was doing | 04:08 |
| kanzure_ | and management not really understanding anything :) | 04:08 |
| fenn | i meant about automated design and having good specifications and standards | 04:09 |
| fenn | when's the last time you saw a datasheet for anything that even approached the comprehensiveness of any old electronic component datasheet | 04:09 |
| fenn | most things dont even have datasheets | 04:09 |
| kanzure_ | well, never. | 04:09 |
| fenn | it's like they dont even bother telling you what you're getting | 04:10 |
| kanzure_ | just because the tools exist doesn't mean that they are being used by the multi billion dollar companies. I mean, from what I heard, it was pathetic | 04:10 |
| kanzure_ | they expect you to call I guess. | 04:10 |
| fenn | but they dont even know | 04:10 |
| kanzure_ | did you see the .xsd for ubl that I linked to? | 04:10 |
| fenn | no, what's that? | 04:10 |
| fenn | ubl is some bio markup right? | 04:11 |
| kanzure_ | http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/cd-UBL-1.0/xsd/maindoc/UBL-Order-1.0.xsd | 04:11 |
| fenn | universal business language? | 04:11 |
| kanzure_ | UBL is univ-- yes. | 04:11 |
| kanzure_ | supposedly openoffice has UBL support(?) or planned to(?) | 04:11 |
| * fenn reads.. | 04:11 | |
| kanzure_ | http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/cd-UBL-1.0/ | 04:11 |
| kanzure_ | ^ the spec | 04:12 |
| kanzure_ | anyway, the idea was that if OO.o could infiltrate businesses, | 04:12 |
| kanzure_ | then the xml template documents could be used to standardize common business documents (RFQ's, RFC's, etc.) | 04:12 |
| kanzure_ | in fact, there were some surprising numbers about this | 04:12 |
| kanzure_ | http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/msg/85a9b512259ddaa4 | 04:13 |
| kanzure_ | re: usage. | 04:13 |
| kanzure_ | " | 04:13 |
| kanzure_ | 1.25 million UBL invoices are exchanged in the | 04:13 |
| kanzure_ | * Danish public sector every month | 04:13 |
| kanzure_ | Swedish government SEK 4 billion (more than 500 million dollars) in the first five years of deployment" | 04:13 |
| kanzure_ | hm, http://ubl.xml.org/forum | 04:24 |
| kanzure_ | http://ubl.xml.org/product/unece-recommendation-no-31-electronic-commerce-agreement "The Electronic Commerce Agreement is intended to serve the commercial requirements of business-to-business electronic commerce partners. It contains a basic set of provisions which can ensure that one or more electronic commercial transactions may subsequently be concluded by commercial partners within a sound legal framework." | 04:25 |
| kanzure_ | URL = http://www.unece.org/cefact/recommendations/rec31/rec31_ecetrd257e.pdf | 04:25 |
| kanzure_ | that looks stupid | 04:27 |
| kanzure_ | that's what ebXML's CPP/CPA/CAP things were supposed to do | 04:27 |
| kanzure_ | the agreement for what type of medium of communication to be used would be solved through some WSDL/ebXML-repository voodoo magic so that different methods of linking up could be discovered, i.e. "plugins in common". | 04:27 |
| * kanzure_ sleeps | 05:21 | |
| gene | the UN wants to regulate e commerce? | 06:14 |
| gene | sounds like something out of Crytomoicon | 06:14 |
| gene | we need crypto money | 06:15 |
| fenn | Lindens arent good enough for you? :) | 06:22 |
| fenn | or e-gold | 06:22 |
| kanzure_ | cool, I've found a good reason why I hate Nathan's political bent | 06:29 |
| kanzure_ | http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/2008-March/041473.html | 06:29 |
| kanzure_ | I like finding that I've previously written good reasons to hate shit | 06:29 |
| gene | no | 06:29 |
| gene | they aren't crypto money | 06:29 |
| gene | Fenn I take it you haven't read the Snow Crash, The Diamond Age, or Crytomonoicon | 06:30 |
| gene | *Cryptonomicon | 06:31 |
| fenn | i read the last two | 06:31 |
| fenn | both way too long for their own good | 06:31 |
| gene | well then you know that crypto money is untaxable? | 06:31 |
| fenn | well, diamond age wasnt too bad | 06:31 |
| fenn | so is regular money? | 06:32 |
| gene | Snow Crash ties the two together | 06:32 |
| fenn | hm really | 06:32 |
| gene | yeah | 06:32 |
| gene | in Snow Crash governments collapse because of untaxable e-money | 06:32 |
| fenn | is there a scene with someone being thrown through a second story wall onto a busy chinatown street? | 06:33 |
| gene | sort of | 06:33 |
| gene | but not really | 06:33 |
| fenn | is it a novelization of johnny mnemonic? | 06:33 |
| fenn | (the story) | 06:33 |
| gene | There are burbclaves | 06:33 |
| gene | NO! | 06:33 |
| fenn | the short story | 06:34 |
| fenn | oh i'm thinking of neuromancer | 06:34 |
| gene | no, no one gets thrown from a 2 story building into chinatown traffic | 06:34 |
| gene | the Mafia runs a pizza business | 06:35 |
| gene | in snowcrash | 06:35 |
| gene | and that is all the spoilers you get | 06:35 |
| fenn | wtf so snow crash bridges two authors works? | 06:35 |
| gene | no | 06:35 |
| gene | The Diamond Age and Cryptonomicon are by the same author | 06:36 |
| gene | Neal Stephenson | 06:36 |
| fenn | so, how bout them cyberpunks | 06:39 |
| fenn | i wonder how i got gibson and stephenson so thoroughly confused | 06:39 |
| gene | it's easy | 06:40 |
| gene | everyone does it | 06:40 |
| gene | one time or another | 06:40 |
| fenn | "The idea of a globally interconnected set of computers through which everyone could quickly access data and programs from any site was first described in 1962 in a series of memos on the "Galactic Computer Network" by J.C.R. Licklider of DARPA." | 06:42 |
| fenn | "His ideas foretold of graphical computing, point-and-click interfaces, digital libraries, e-commerce, online banking, and software that would exist on a network and migrate wherever it was needed." | 06:45 |
| fenn | so who was it, licklider or engelbart | 06:46 |
| kanzure_ | wait, does it matter? | 06:55 |
| kanzure_ | I wonder if either one of them would have known of each other | 06:55 |
| fenn | licklider gave engelbart funding to make NLS | 06:56 |
| fenn | it's not inconceivable that two people would come up with the same ideas independently | 06:56 |
| gene | galactic computer network | 07:01 |
| gene | ??? | 07:01 |
| fenn | actually intergalactic computer network | 07:01 |
| gene | how do you transfer data? Massive Fiber connection? Lasers? Wormholes? Spooky action at a distance? | 07:03 |
| fenn | i'm starting to wonder if Joi Ito is actually human | 07:03 |
| gene | what is Joi Ito? | 07:03 |
| fenn | a person who manages to do large amounts of stuff | 07:04 |
| fenn | small world network node | 07:04 |
| gene | like? | 07:04 |
| fenn | take awesome photos like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SAGE_console.jpeg | 07:05 |
| fenn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joi_Ito#Later_life | 07:06 |
| fenn | http://www.flickr.com/photos/joi/3002187357/ | 07:13 |
| kanzure_ | gene: with an intergalactic netwrok, you'd use quasars. | 07:23 |
| fenn | i'd use spooky action at a distance, personally | 07:24 |
| fenn | but wormholes would work in a pinch | 07:24 |
| fenn | get it? get it? | 07:24 |
| kanzure_ | "Information could be coded into signals and sent anywhere, given enough energy. Sent everywhere, this interflow of information. We could speak with the nebular brains of the galaxy. We could extend the galaxy's information ecology. We - every human being, Fravashi, oyster, sentient bacterium, virus, or seal - we could drive our collective consciousness across the two million lightyears of the intergalactic void | 07:24 |
| kanzure_ | "to the information ecologies of the nearer galaxies, Andromeda and Maffei and the first Leo - all the galaxies of the local group were alive with intelligence and vibrated with thoughts of organisms as ourselves. Someday the time would come to interface with the ecologies of other groups of galaxies." | 07:25 |
| kanzure_ | "Within ten million light-years off the local supergalactic plane of the local supercluster of galaxies were many groups of galaxies. Canes Venatici, the Pavo-Indus and the Ursa galaxies - these burning, brilliant clouds of intelligence and others enveloped our own small galaxy in a sphere of light four hundred million light-years in diameter." | 07:25 |
| kanzure_ | "To speak with such distant galaxies would require the energy of a supernova, perhaps many tens of thousands of supernovas." | 07:25 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/quotes.html | 07:25 |
| bkero | kanzure_: Sounds like Douglas Rushkoff. | 07:25 |
| fenn | sounds like metalocalypse | 07:26 |
| kanzure_ | Heh. | 07:26 |
| bkero | Read: http://www.rushkoff.com/downloadables/cyberiabook/ | 07:26 |
| kanzure_ | No, that's Zindell. | 07:26 |
| fenn | seriously though, what would you say? | 07:26 |
| fenn | "dont eat me" | 07:26 |
| kanzure_ | "Hello Earthlings!" | 07:26 |
| kanzure_ | what would you say? => you'd say a von Neumann probe. | 07:27 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/storyverse.html | 07:27 |
| fenn | eek | 07:27 |
| kanzure_ | heh | 07:27 |
| fenn | that might be considered an act of war | 07:27 |
| fenn | or like a dog peeing on your shoe maybe | 07:28 |
| kanzure_ | that's what it looks like when you run certain cellular automata simulations | 07:29 |
| kanzure_ | I was doing a few in the lab (I was very very bored), and it was literally a stream of piss :/ | 07:30 |
| kanzure_ | little problets. so maybe it wasn't piss. | 07:30 |
| fenn | "I think we spend way too much of our lives worrying about the risks, at the cost of a lot of the benefits." | 07:45 |
| fenn | so hard to learn to give up fear | 07:45 |
| fenn | i think this was in that movie "metropolis" http://www.flickr.com/photos/joi/2874285211/sizes/l/ | 07:58 |
| fenn | or maybe it was final fantasy VII http://www.flickr.com/photos/joi/2871291912/sizes/l/ | 08:01 |
| fenn | just found this gem of pre-SKDB system crypto-libertarian ranting in my reading list: http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/crossbow | 08:28 |
| fenn | BackType is a sort of "Twitter for comments" that aggregates comments from millions of blogs into a single, searchable, parsable stream. http://www.backtype.com/ | 10:14 |
| fenn | i guess they've never heard of OpenID | 10:15 |
| UtopiahGHML | Linked Data Sets (i.e., with dereferenceable URIs) Available as RDF Dumps http://esw.w3.org/topic/DataSetRDFDumps | 13:59 |
| UtopiahGHML | (hopefuly someone started a repository of repositories tracking data sets) | 14:00 |
| kanzure_ | "For a 22-year-old woman known as AW, denim evokes feelings of depression, disgust and worthlessness. Corduroy causes confusion, and silk provides utter contentment. She is one of two people known to experience a newly discovered form of synaesthesia, where textures give rise to strong emotions." | 17:56 |
| kanzure_ | What is an "out-of-band legal agreement" ? | 19:41 |
| kanzure_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-band | 19:43 |
| kanzure_ | yay wikipedia. | 19:43 |
| kanzure_ | http://ruleml.org/ hm.. | 20:02 |
| gene | kanzure can you decompile a flash to extract the tasty sounds from it? | 20:20 |
| kanzure_ | gene: search for 'hexx' or 'linux flash', there might be a decompiler | 20:51 |
| kanzure_ | or maybe 'flex' | 20:51 |
| kanzure_ | I'm still not getting it. ebXML as a transport layer for UBL; fine, I've got that. UBL as an authoring method in OO.o, sure. | 21:28 |
| kanzure_ | hermes runs as an ebXML MSH, which I've got that down too | 21:28 |
| kanzure_ | now where is the automatic discovery going on here? | 21:28 |
| kanzure_ | maybe hermes publishes some WSDL document on the server .. hrm. | 21:28 |
| kanzure_ | http://community.cecid.hku.hk/index.php/product/article/the_first_step_you_hermes/ | 21:30 |
| kanzure_ | These standards are pretty useless as far as I can tell. I mean, reading through the specs, it's all completely 'ungrounded', and yet somehow these applications exist, so nobody knows what they actually do.. | 21:37 |
| kanzure_ | http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ws-juddi-user/200802.mbox/%3c12c441bd0802041114j54664b21j171d5f43b22f76f7@mail.gmail.com%3e <- For instance, I thought that UDDI was supposed to contain WSDL services, rather than publishing a WSDL thingy about the UDDI installation | 21:38 |
| kanzure_ | http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ws-juddi-user/200802.mbox/%3c003201c8678f$4749c3e0$d5dd4ba0$@org%3e holy crap an actual example :) | 21:40 |
| kanzure_ | http://openuddi.sourceforge.net/wp-content/uploads/monitor.jpg | 21:43 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.w3schools.com/WSDL/wsdl_uddi.asp tutorial. | 21:49 |
| kanzure_ | "How can UDDI be Used | 21:49 |
| kanzure_ | If the industry published an UDDI standard for flight rate checking and reservation, airlines could register their services into an UDDI directory. Travel agencies could then search the UDDI directory to find the airline's reservation interface. When the interface is found, the travel agency can communicate with the service immediately because it uses a well-defined reservation interface." | 21:49 |
| kanzure_ | the communication with the service, if I understand correctly, is ebXML MSH i.e. hermes, and then the actual message content is UBL. ... maybe. | 21:51 |
| kanzure_ | http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_thread/thread/2eb9f0ca4ce7cbf3?hide_quotes=no#msg_a377caef4a66ce1f | 22:30 |
| kanzure_ | I'm so proud of Tom Knight. | 22:30 |
| UtopiahGHML | The systems and businesses that win will exploit socio-cognitive network effects http://web.mac.com/peter.pirolli/Professional/Blog/Entries/2008/8/7_The_systems_and_business_that_win_will_exploit_socio-cognitive_network_effects.html | 22:33 |
| gene | so how do I get the sounds out | 22:54 |
| kanzure_ | "a way of operating a touch screen from the rear" | 23:20 |
| gene | saw that | 23:42 |
| gene | on slashdot | 23:42 |
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