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| kanzure_ | PeerInfinity: did you see my cosmeng post? | 02:18 |
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| gene | you there kanzure? | 02:34 |
| kanzure_ | no | 02:35 |
| gene | oh ok | 02:43 |
| kanzure_ | fenn: do you remember if you got a good lead on the xmms2 demo ogg? | 04:13 |
| xp_prg | hi all :> | 04:23 |
| willPow3r | whats happening xp_prg? | 04:42 |
| xp_prg | redoing my website in flash :> | 04:43 |
| xp_prg | what you doing? | 04:43 |
| willPow3r | going over some mit opencourseware | 04:45 |
| willPow3r | the lag between semesters makes my brain go to mush | 04:45 |
| willPow3r | so i need to keep it active | 04:45 |
| xp_prg | what is your major? | 04:47 |
| willPow3r | neuroscience, but im really studying for neural engineering | 04:47 |
| willPow3r | u in school? | 04:47 |
| xp_prg | nope done, I work now | 04:49 |
| willPow3r | where do you work? | 04:49 |
| xp_prg | a small web development company in the bay area of ca | 04:50 |
| xp_prg | do you know synthetic biology well? | 04:50 |
| kanzure_ | I think Gavin Fauss is William Abaris. | 04:52 |
| willPow3r | im not sure if i know either of those people | 04:55 |
| willPow3r | what | 04:55 |
| willPow3r | what's their significance? | 04:55 |
| fenn | "Ah, the smell of new pseudonym." | 04:57 |
| kanzure_ | if only I magically knew everything about brlcad. | 05:07 |
| xp_prg | what is brlcad? | 05:12 |
| kanzure_ | xp_prg: http://brlcad.org/ | 05:18 |
| kanzure_ | open source CAD app. | 05:18 |
| kanzure_ | ideally I'd know how to draw various objects off the top of my head, but the help interface for the commands isn't intuitive to me [yet] | 05:18 |
| kanzure_ | will be soon though. am wokring on that. | 05:18 |
| gene | kanzure, I think we just need to make something in solidwerks or what not | 05:19 |
| kanzure_ | what are you talking about | 05:19 |
| kanzure_ | for om? that's retarded, solidworks is proprietary | 05:19 |
| gene | oh | 05:19 |
| gene | you're doing om stuff | 05:20 |
| gene | ok | 05:20 |
| gene | http://www.hnsa.org/doc/op1140/index.htm | 05:20 |
| kanzure_ | yes. | 05:20 |
| kanzure_ | what's the link to? | 05:20 |
| gene | analog computers anyone? | 05:20 |
| kanzure_ | vacuum tubes? | 05:20 |
| gene | the basics of mechanical analog computing | 05:20 |
| gene | or a book on mechanical fire control mechanisms | 05:21 |
| kanzure_ | there's a way to write a program to convert VLSI/Verilog into gears and other mechanical computing elements | 05:21 |
| gene | yeah and this is how | 05:21 |
| kanzure_ | "a way to write a program" | 05:21 |
| kanzure_ | this looks more like a book describing computing elements in mechanical forms | 05:21 |
| kanzure_ | which is related, but not the same thing. | 05:21 |
| gene | step one make blue prints, step two give blueprints to machinist and have him compile the program | 05:22 |
| gene | I'm thinking of making a business card that is a computer | 05:23 |
| kanzure_ | no, step one is write the program | 05:23 |
| kanzure_ | this is the same idea as the programs that convert C/C++ into neurons | 05:23 |
| kanzure_ | the p-machines thing man from the U.K. was a nice example way the hell back when | 05:23 |
| gene | they have things that do that? | 05:24 |
| kanzure_ | programs being converted into specific networks of connected discrete components, in this case apparently [simulated neurons] | 05:24 |
| gene | oh | 05:24 |
| kanzure_ | the schematics can be generated, is my point. | 05:24 |
| gene | simulated neurons | 05:24 |
| kanzure_ | that's what EDA is, anyway | 05:24 |
| kanzure_ | electronic design automation. | 05:24 |
| gene | my dad does that | 05:24 |
| kanzure_ | except machinists don't read the schematics, since everything's too tiny to work with large bulky man hands | 05:24 |
| gene | well you have mechanical cicuitry | 05:25 |
| gene | can have mechanical circuitry | 05:25 |
| kanzure_ | hahah. on a yahoo group about space-based solar power: "well given the obama administration, I highly doubt SSP will be a serious consideration. obama will probably try to use vegetable oil based propulsion" | 05:26 |
| kanzure_ | so many things wrong with that statement. | 05:26 |
| gene | yeah they forgot the H2O2 oxidizer | 05:27 |
| gene | hmmmm.... we should try making an algae-diesel rocket | 05:27 |
| kanzure_ | yeah, John Carmack and friends were discussing that the other day on the arocket mailing list | 05:27 |
| gene | really? | 05:27 |
| kanzure_ | apparently the California folks were getting their freezing temps, and some of them didn't know to keep their biodiesel warm | 05:27 |
| gene | oops | 05:28 |
| kanzure_ | yeah, these are the XCOR/SpaceX/Armadillo Aerospace people | 05:28 |
| gene | ah shoot | 05:28 |
| gene | does algae diesel have that problem? | 05:28 |
| kanzure_ | you mean biodiesel? | 05:28 |
| kanzure_ | they were talking about biodiesel in general. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't matter whether or not it came from algae. | 05:28 |
| gene | as in diesel made from algae | 05:28 |
| kanzure_ | bkero: the blend proportions would be the only thing that matter here, right? | 05:29 |
| gene | dang, the analog computing manual is a navy manual, which means it's written in idiot's guide style, it's nearly impossible to not learn | 05:29 |
| kanzure_ | maybe if you try really hard you can pretend to not learn. | 05:30 |
| bkero | ? | 05:31 |
| kanzure_ | but yeah, the brlcad manual is written in that style too | 05:31 |
| bkero | Blend with what? | 05:31 |
| kanzure_ | I've read a lot of military documents in that style | 05:31 |
| kanzure_ | bkero: in biodiesel. the 'bp' is blend, right? | 05:31 |
| bkero | I'd assume | 05:31 |
| bkero | I've just run straight oil extract | 05:31 |
| bkero | Some folks mix it with kerosene | 05:31 |
| kanzure_ | temperature sensitivity issues? | 05:31 |
| bkero | Tank warmers | 05:31 |
| bkero | :P | 05:31 |
| bkero | That's what all diesels do | 05:32 |
| kanzure_ | ah. | 05:32 |
| bkero | Just small resistor packs next to the tank | 05:32 |
| gene | really all diesels have tank warmers, even big trucks? | 05:33 |
| bkero | Some people mix it with things to boost the octane levels | 05:33 |
| bkero | Yes | 05:33 |
| gene | that's a relief | 05:33 |
| bkero | It's completely simple | 05:34 |
| bkero | Grow algae, extract oil with hexane bath, or heated press | 05:34 |
| bkero | Fill tank | 05:34 |
| bkero | Run | 05:34 |
| gene | HAHAHAHAHAHA | 05:35 |
| bkero | ? | 05:35 |
| gene | we don't use hexane baths | 05:35 |
| bkero | Why not? | 05:35 |
| gene | it's wasteful | 05:35 |
| bkero | it's also efficient | 05:36 |
| gene | do you work with alga-diesel too bkero? | 05:36 |
| bkero | Hexane is ~98% efficient compared to a heated press, which at best is 70%.1.1 | 05:36 |
| bkero | (ignore the .1.1) | 05:37 |
| bkero | I have | 05:37 |
| -!- Irssi: #hplusroadmap: Total of 17 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal] | 05:37 | |
| bkero | I'm trying to get kanzure_ to send me some oil-rich algae prints | 05:37 |
| gene | there are much better ways of doing things | 05:37 |
| bkero | Like what? | 05:38 |
| gene | a billion tiny knives | 05:39 |
| bkero | So cut and pressure | 05:40 |
| bkero | lol make an array of boxcutter blades | 05:40 |
| gene | exactly | 05:41 |
| gene | you need really small boxcutter blades thought | 05:42 |
| bkero | Has anybody tried that? | 05:42 |
| gene | that's the hard part | 05:42 |
| bkero | How efficient is it? | 05:42 |
| gene | uL/min | 05:42 |
| kanzure_ | search for 'nanoknives' and berkeley. | 05:43 |
| gene | like I guess 100% | 05:43 |
| bkero | microliters per minute? | 05:43 |
| kanzure_ | or 'bead mills' | 05:43 |
| gene | yup | 05:43 |
| kanzure_ | bead mills do better than microliters per minute | 05:43 |
| kanzure_ | nobody has done a bead mill of nanoknives | 05:43 |
| gene | bad idea kanzure | 05:44 |
| gene | very bad idea | 05:44 |
| gene | how do you get the knives out? | 05:44 |
| bkero | Sounds complicated to set up | 05:44 |
| kanzure_ | bkero: hah, as if buying hexane is cheap? | 05:44 |
| bkero | Would that even be possible for me to build? | 05:44 |
| gene | ever grown algae for biofuel bkero? | 05:44 |
| bkero | Aye | 05:44 |
| gene | is that a yes? | 05:45 |
| bkero | Yes | 05:45 |
| gene | what species? | 05:45 |
| bkero | No idea. Whatever was native to the pond near me :P | 05:45 |
| bkero | Wasn't very many lipids to extract | 05:45 |
| gene | oh ok, so you did this on a hobbyist scale? | 05:46 |
| bkero | Which is why I was pestering kanzure_ to see if I could get something with higher oil density. | 05:46 |
| bkero | What would a hobbist scale be? | 05:46 |
| gene | not done with a company or research group or funded by a grant | 05:47 |
| bkero | So no external funding = hobbist scale? | 05:47 |
| kanzure_ | but that tells you nothing about volume.. | 05:47 |
| bkero | Yea. | 05:47 |
| kanzure_ | wtfc | 05:47 |
| gene | fishtank size bioreactors, ponds | 05:47 |
| bkero | If I did it with giant septic tanks and produced acres of algae | 05:47 |
| bkero | Would that still be hobbist scale? | 05:47 |
| gene | no | 05:48 |
| bkero | So I wouldn't necessarily corrolate funding with scale | 05:48 |
| gene | we might be able to get you some high lipid content species | 05:48 |
| gene | but they aren't native | 05:48 |
| gene | which is bad, very, very bad if they get into the environment | 05:49 |
| bkero | Wouldn't matter, I've got a pretty sterile environment for it to grow, so there shouldn't be any problem with heartier native species impacting it | 05:49 |
| bkero | There's no real bodies of water for them to grow near me. | 05:49 |
| gene | that doesn't matter | 05:49 |
| bkero | But yea, I understand the implications of disposal. | 05:49 |
| gene | it might escape by migratory birds or what not | 05:50 |
| gene | plus, I don't think we can give free samples | 05:50 |
| bkero | Hum | 05:51 |
| gene | but if you contact us in a couple of months we might have a super algae harvester to sell to you | 05:51 |
| kanzure_ | what the fuck are you talking about | 05:51 |
| kanzure_ | fuck this shit | 05:51 |
| * kanzure_ pad locks his refridgerator with samples | 05:51 | |
| bkero | Hehe | 05:51 |
| gene | cool you took some samples kanzure? | 05:52 |
| kanzure_ | uh, actually I don't remember | 05:52 |
| kanzure_ | I might have. I should double check everything. | 05:52 |
| bkero | I'm gonna have to set up another automated growing environment. Dismantled it when I moved. | 05:52 |
| bkero | CO2 tank and an air compressor with check valves and servo-controlled bleeder valves | 05:53 |
| kanzure_ | blah, why don't we have servo-controlled valves yet, gene? | 05:53 |
| kanzure_ | that would be a good reason to get an arduino, pic or some other board | 05:53 |
| gene | can you program arduino | 05:53 |
| kanzure_ | uh yes? | 05:54 |
| bkero | Servo controlled valves are the only way to do it :) | 05:54 |
| gene | because the people who lead the project are biologists | 05:54 |
| * kanzure_ has done microcontroller programming :) | 05:54 | |
| bkero | Plus there's tons of open source microcontrollers out there | 05:54 |
| bkero | Arduino clones are $17 | 05:54 |
| kanzure_ | gene: maybe we could just ask sata to buy them | 05:54 |
| gene | heh | 05:54 |
| kanzure_ | bkero: yeah yeah yeah, no need to preach to me :) | 05:54 |
| bkero | Servo's and circuits to control them are less than $10 | 05:54 |
| gene | did you make it yourself bkero? | 05:54 |
| kanzure_ | servo valves aren't anything special, are they? | 05:54 |
| bkero | Nothing special | 05:54 |
| bkero | gene: yea | 05:54 |
| bkero | I used a BASIC Stamp for mine | 05:55 |
| gene | servo valves, why not go for solenoid valves? | 05:55 |
| kanzure_ | I mean, the way the biologists assembled this setup was "ok, here's a bin of randomass valves" | 05:55 |
| bkero | But that was before Arduinos were popular | 05:55 |
| kanzure_ | parallax? | 05:55 |
| kanzure_ | :( | 05:55 |
| bkero | gene: solenoids are binary while servo controlled bleeders are adjustable | 05:55 |
| gene | really | 05:55 |
| gene | never heard of bleeder valves before | 05:56 |
| bkero | I mean, I guess I could hook up a timer and have it open and close really fast, but that's not what solenoids were for | 05:56 |
| bkero | Bleeder valves are what you use on car brakes to bleed them | 05:56 |
| bkero | It's essentially a check valve | 05:56 |
| gene | I've made air cannons with solenoid valves so I have a fondness for them | 05:56 |
| bkero | It's basically so I can inject air/co2 and not worry about having them come in contact with the metal on the bottle/compressor | 05:57 |
| bkero | A diode for fluids/gasses, if you will. | 05:57 |
| gene | huh? | 05:57 |
| gene | so it doesn't get corroded? | 05:58 |
| bkero | Yea | 05:58 |
| gene | due to carbonic acid formation | 05:58 |
| kanzure_ | wait, I thought this was a basic concept | 05:58 |
| kanzure_ | servo valves seem more intuitive to me | 05:58 |
| kanzure_ | I'll be quiet. :p | 05:58 |
| gene | well if you can program it and make it safe kanzure | 05:58 |
| bkero | The order goes (co2 tank)->servo valve->check valve->algae | 05:58 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.ntsb.gov/events/usair427/valve_2.jpg | 05:59 |
| gene | the grow chamber door is like air tight, a CO2 leak could be fatal | 05:59 |
| kanzure_ | http://npgroup.pd.infn.it/euroball/autofill/flux_box.gif | 05:59 |
| bkero | Just be sure your valve and servo motor have enough torque to combat the water pressure | 06:01 |
| bkero | weight of the water, whatever | 06:01 |
| gene | are you putting water through it | 06:01 |
| bkero | No, but you potentially have tens of gallons on one end of it, and potentially 125psi of air on the other side | 06:02 |
| gene | 125 psi isn't too bad | 06:02 |
| bkero | Just depends on how much you awnt to keep in your compressor tank | 06:03 |
| gene | almost forgot, Kanzure, walmart sells GFP and RFP, just not in a very pure form | 06:03 |
| gene | might be useful for biohacking | 06:04 |
| bkero | GFP/RFP? | 06:04 |
| kanzure_ | hm | 06:04 |
| kanzure_ | where's meredith? | 06:04 |
| kanzure_ | she was working on some GFP+yeast stuff | 06:04 |
| gene | green fluorescent protein and red fluorescent protein | 06:04 |
| kanzure_ | glow in the dark yeast | 06:04 |
| gene | walmart sells glow in the dark fish | 06:04 |
| kanzure_ | although she was working on just expressing the gene really | 06:04 |
| kanzure_ | in the yeast for the yogurt | 06:05 |
| kanzure_ | erm, bacteria | 06:05 |
| gene | HAHAHAHA | 06:05 |
| kanzure_ | not yeast | 06:05 |
| bkero | For staining? | 06:05 |
| gene | acidophillus? | 06:05 |
| kanzure_ | for glow in the dark yogurt | 06:05 |
| gene | good luck getting that past the FDA | 06:05 |
| kanzure_ | don't know. she might be awake in #diybio | 06:05 |
| kanzure_ | nope, nevermind | 06:05 |
| bkero | Heh | 06:05 |
| gene | who is meredith? | 06:06 |
| gene | bioartist or biohacker? | 06:06 |
| kanzure_ | hacker | 06:06 |
| gene | ok that tells me a lot | 06:06 |
| kanzure_ | she's like me, except with time on her hands | 06:06 |
| kanzure_ | and money | 06:06 |
| kanzure_ | she posts occassionally to the diybio mailing list | 06:07 |
| bkero | kanzure_: That's impressive. Marry her. | 06:07 |
| kanzure_ | good friend of bram cohen.. | 06:07 |
| kanzure_ | she's married already to a friend of bram :) | 06:07 |
| bkero | Heh | 06:07 |
| gene | money really | 06:07 |
| kanzure_ | not really | 06:07 |
| kanzure_ | "Bram Cohen (born 1975) is an American computer programmer, best known as the author of the peer-to-peer (P2P) BitTorrent protocol, as well as the first file sharing program to use the protocol, also known as BitTorrent. He is also the co-founder of CodeCon, organizer of the San Francisco Bay Area P2P-hackers meeting, and the co-author of Codeville." | 06:08 |
| gene | you mean she does that for a company | 06:08 |
| kanzure_ | no | 06:08 |
| kanzure_ | she does it for the hell of it, | 06:08 |
| gene | damn | 06:08 |
| kanzure_ | but I mean that she at least has a little cash to go fetch a refridgerator or something | 06:08 |
| gene | or enzymes | 06:08 |
| kanzure_ | 'cept she can hardly get people to ship to her | 06:08 |
| kanzure_ | so anyway. | 06:08 |
| kanzure_ | the Vermont stuff might change some of that | 06:08 |
| gene | hahahaha | 06:09 |
| kanzure_ | re: virtual incorporation. | 06:09 |
| gene | of course | 06:09 |
| kanzure_ | yeah.. | 06:09 |
| gene | we can't ship to you, you might be a trrrist | 06:09 |
| kanzure_ | trrist, is that a racial slur? | 06:09 |
| kanzure_ | heh | 06:09 |
| gene | yeah, someone told me to do that | 06:09 |
| gene | on instructables | 06:10 |
| gene | they wanted to know if I was a biohacker | 06:10 |
| bkero | lol | 06:10 |
| gene | there was something highly suspicious about it... | 06:10 |
| bkero | Biohackers are the new 'cool' thing. | 06:10 |
| gene | not everyone thinks biohackers are cool | 06:11 |
| gene | especially not DHS | 06:11 |
| bkero | Yea | 06:11 |
| bkero | Well, easy-to-startle republicans wouldn't, I'm sure. | 06:12 |
| gene | but we can't do biohackery without enzymes and knowledge | 06:12 |
| bkero | and the religious zealots might take offense to mucking about with biology in general | 06:12 |
| gene | yeah I was about to say that | 06:12 |
| bkero | But hopefully nobody cares about them | 06:12 |
| kanzure_ | "omg! biology! holy shit, don't anybody tell me about sex" | 06:12 |
| bkero | Religion was a good explanation back in the dark ages, but now we have better methods. | 06:13 |
| gene | I'm thinking of posting some highly disruptive diy tech online that might freak those types out | 06:13 |
| kanzure_ | gene: kinda like http://biohack.sf.net/ eh? | 06:13 |
| kanzure_ | *cough* beat you to it *cough* | 06:13 |
| gene | not even close | 06:13 |
| kanzure_ | ppft. what could be more disruptive? | 06:13 |
| gene | more likely to be considered unethical | 06:13 |
| bkero | gene: I'd recommend it | 06:13 |
| bkero | Then again, I'm morally and ethically bankrupt. | 06:14 |
| kanzure_ | you get no points if you don't specify what it is. | 06:14 |
| gene | well, first off it may not be possible to do cheaply | 06:14 |
| bkero | There aren't many things that you can'd do cheaply :P | 06:14 |
| gene | 2 it involves chemicals that might be hard to obtain | 06:15 |
| gene | 3 it would be gross to test | 06:15 |
| gene | it's not very transhumanist either | 06:16 |
| bkero | I think you should do it, then do a complete writeup and publish :) | 06:16 |
| bkero | Or post it online and get someone(or many people) to do it for you. | 06:17 |
| gene | heh I wonder who would actually be willing to test it | 06:18 |
| bkero | I'd do it if I can get the correct supplies from chem stores and the lab surplus store here, and find it interesting enough :P | 06:19 |
| bkero | (and if I understand it) :P | 06:19 |
| bkero | Sometimes I can be a bit thick. | 06:19 |
| gene | I don't think you'd want to do it | 06:19 |
| gene | but another thing I have been thinking of doing is nuclear transfer cloning | 06:23 |
| fenn | yo plebes, i'm thinking of posting some highly disruptive recipes online, that would totally freak the gourmet scene out. but I dont think you'd want to eat it, so I won't even tell you what it is | 06:36 |
| gene | so is it possible to fluorescent flow cytometry at home? | 06:36 |
| fenn | of course | 06:36 |
| fenn | 1) buy a flow cytometer | 06:36 |
| fenn | 2) ??? | 06:36 |
| fenn | 3) Profit! | 06:36 |
| gene | ie with a diy cytometer | 06:36 |
| gene | fenn I have a reason for not telling what it is | 06:37 |
| fenn | they're just inkjet printers combined with a static electricity generator and some coils and fast light sensors | 06:37 |
| fenn | piece of cake right? | 06:37 |
| gene | yeah, I think you forgot the laser part and the dye part | 06:37 |
| fenn | yeah whatever | 06:38 |
| fenn | they do it with diamonds all the time | 06:38 |
| gene | I need Hoechst 33342 | 06:38 |
| gene | this requirement severly limits the disruptiveness | 06:39 |
| gene | and the laser | 06:39 |
| gene | but that might not be a problem | 06:39 |
| fenn | sounds ... carcinogenic | 06:40 |
| fenn | so, nuclear transfer, DIY flow cytometry, DNA stain... where's he going with this | 06:41 |
| gene | nuclear transfer is unrelated | 06:42 |
| gene | damn you might be right about the inkjet cartridge fend | 06:43 |
| gene | fenn, I don't think you'd have any use for it | 06:43 |
| fenn | O RLY | 06:44 |
| gene | YA RLY | 06:45 |
| fenn | w/e | 06:45 |
| gene | you wouldn't even want to test it out | 06:46 |
| gene | let's end it right there | 06:46 |
| gene | it isn | 06:46 |
| gene | 't even well thought out | 06:47 |
| gene | in other words I don't have a recipe | 07:17 |
| fenn | hmm this is interesting, especially since all you need is an accelerometer or other 2d-no-buttons interface | 08:36 |
| fenn | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qwo | 08:36 |
| fenn | you could write with your eye movement for example | 08:39 |
| fenn | stuffed animal cad.. this seems quite useful for inflatable structures in general: http://www.den.rcast.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~yuki/plushie/index-e.html | 09:02 |
| fenn | and brainwashing children of course.. muwahahahaha | 09:03 |
| fenn | pepakura yadda yadda | 09:05 |
| fenn | i should write a program to do quikwrite on an avr with a 9 button keypad (or a reverse biased LED array ooooo) | 09:12 |
| bkero | fenn: That looks insanely awkward | 09:21 |
| fenn | try the java demo | 09:23 |
| fenn | http://mrl.nyu.edu/projects/quikwriting/Quikwrite2.html | 09:23 |
| fenn | to type 'k' you "press" 5 1 3 5 | 09:23 |
| fenn | it's a lot harder to explain than to learn | 09:24 |
| fenn | this seems to me, to be supremely useful in a wearable heads-up display | 09:26 |
| fenn | especially if there were a 'tab' key ;) | 09:26 |
| fenn | space twice could work | 09:27 |
| fenn | huh. this is pretty close to hexegrity: http://mrl.nyu.edu/~perlin/experiments/demos/Platform.html | 12:22 |
| fenn | rawr why dont we have embedded python apps in browsers yet | 12:56 |
| UtopiahGHML | Pylons? | 12:57 |
| fenn | that | 12:58 |
| fenn | is server side. i'm talking about client side, like "click the cow to win a prize" crap | 12:58 |
| UtopiahGHML | you can embed that in a webserver like XAMPP or lighter packages | 12:59 |
| fenn | apparently grail.sf.net is a sort of java incomatibility layer | 12:59 |
| fenn | UtopiahGHML you are off in left field | 13:00 |
| UtopiahGHML | running a python app or running in the browser from a webserver, what else do you need? | 13:01 |
| UtopiahGHML | they are even some ways (experimental I guess) to run in a JVM AFAIK | 13:01 |
| fenn | <script language="Python"> or <applet | 13:02 |
| fenn | code = foo.py> | 13:02 |
| fenn | i guess it would be .pyc to match the java .class format | 13:02 |
| fenn | anyone here written or hacked on java applets? | 13:05 |
| UtopiahGHML | JPython http://www.python.org/workshops/1997-10/proceedings/hugunin.html | 13:06 |
| fenn | fennetic.net will be down for relocation | 16:56 |
| -!- gene_ is now known as gene | 18:14 | |
| kanzure_ | http://mysite.verizon.net/wsbainbridge/system/software.htm oh god wtf is this bullshit | 18:22 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.publico.es/184626/biohackers/reventar/reinventar/biologia/garajes diybio hitting spain.. | 18:27 |
| gene | like a hurricane? | 18:29 |
| gene | seems like they aren't very probiohacker | 18:30 |
| gene | La biolog?a sint?tica ha hibridado con una media naranja, la inform?tica, para alumbrar uno de los fen?menos m?s curiosos e interesantes de los ?ltimos a?os: los biohackers , biotecn?logos con el sue?o prometeico de robar a la naturaleza el secreto de la vida ya los centros de investigaci?n el poder para manejarla, crear organismos hasta en un garaje y que todo ello sea abierto,... | 18:30 |
| gene | ...compartido y... | 18:31 |
| gene | ...p?blico; vida 2.0. Synthetic biology has hybridized with a better half, computers, to illuminate one of the most curious and interesting phenomena of recent years: the biohackers, biotechnologists with the Promethean dream of robbing the secret nature of life and centers investigative power to handle it, to create organisms in a garage and that this is open, shared and public life 2.0. | 18:31 |
| gene | Plasmids and restriction enzymes are the basic toolkit from biotechnology, which allow, remove, change or save genes. Despu?s llegar?an las librer?as de genes y las m?quinas sintetizadoras de ADN, pero la bacteria intestinal Escherichia coli contin?a siendo el obrero biol?gico imprescindible. Then would come the libraries of genes and DNA synthesizer machines, but the intestinal bacterium... | 18:31 |
| gene | ...Escherichia coli remains the worker biological imperative. | 18:31 |
| gene | right they are | 18:31 |
| gene | read the translated comments there are some useful tidbits like this: En uno de ellos, Whitesides y sus colaboradores detallaban c?mo construir una centr?fuga cl?nica a partir de una batidora de huevos de manivela. In one, Whitesides and his colleagues detailing how to build a centrifuge clinic from an egg beater crank. Pegando con cinta a una de las aspas un trozo de tubo de pl?stico y... | 18:33 |
| gene | ...haciendo girar la batidora, se separan f?cilmente las c?lulas sangu?neas del plasma, lo que permite extraer muestras para anal?ticas. Sticking with tape to a blade of a piece of plastic tube and spinning the blender, easily split the blood cells from plasma, which can extract samples for analysis. | 18:33 |
| gene | not the comments one of the articles | 18:34 |
| gene | so kanzure how can we make restriction enzymes? | 18:35 |
| kanzure_ | gene: the same thing we do every night | 18:50 |
| gene | huh? | 18:50 |
| gene | sleep is how you make restriction enzymes | 18:50 |
| gene | ??? | 18:51 |
| gene | actually purifying restriction enzymes is what we need to do | 18:52 |
| kanzure_ | right | 18:52 |
| kanzure_ | antibody purification is the usual method | 18:52 |
| kanzure_ | but maybe the filter will magically be the solution | 18:52 |
| gene | mkae the bacteria make antibodies | 18:53 |
| gene | or attach the RE to a magnetosome | 18:55 |
| gene | a small body that is magnetic | 18:55 |
| gene | look up magnetococcus | 18:55 |
| gene | it has an interesting method of finding down | 18:56 |
| gene | magnetococcus likes anoxic conditions, anoxic conditions are down, so it has a magnetosome in it so it lines up with the magnet flux and points down | 18:58 |
| gene | oh did you see this in OM http://www.westword.com/2008-12-18/news/hed-the-gundersons-get-us-ready-for-basil-the-robot-of-our-dreams/ | 19:06 |
| fenn | that was the most boring robotics article i've ever read | 19:19 |
| kanzure_ | yeah I didn't get through even a few paragraphs actually | 19:34 |
| kanzure_ | it just sounded stupid | 19:34 |
| kanzure_ | what is it actually about | 19:34 |
| fenn | some robot that sucks | 19:48 |
| fenn | supposedly it can use sonar to tell if something's a chair or a person | 19:49 |
| fenn | but it's batteries died halfway through the demo, so nobody knows for sure if it works | 19:49 |
| fenn | internet is killing my spelling | 19:49 |
| * fenn sleepz | 19:50 | |
| gene | oh shoot | 19:56 |
| gene | I just skimmed the thing | 19:58 |
| gene | well looks like thats useless | 19:58 |
| gene | oh yeah did you hear that ponoko will laser cut metal now? | 19:58 |
| kanzure_ | gene, even growing antibodies requires purification itself too. | 20:57 |
| kanzure_ | Hm, I wonder if we can make a packaging assistance tool | 22:13 |
| kanzure_ | or modeling assistance tool. | 22:13 |
| kanzure_ | I mean, the models are what are holding things back more than anything else | 22:13 |
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