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| kanzure_ | http://www.ip-watch.org/weblog/index.php?p=1304 the Obama-Lessig connection (just showed up in an email, so.) | 09:04 |
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| kanzure_ | "“I have not advised the campaign on intellectual property issues. I advised them during the primary on technology issues,” Lessig told Intellectual Property Watch. “I don’t expect there will be a fundamental change in IP policy, unfortunately, but of course I believe there will be a strong press to realise change.”" | 09:06 |
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| * fenn wonders what paul's latest email was in response to | 09:57 | |
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| kanzure_ | fenn: probably my small book. | 10:03 |
| kanzure_ | http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_thread/thread/93a354079b5bfdbb | 10:04 |
| kanzure_ | paul's kind of being a jerk | 10:05 |
| kanzure_ | "gee bryan, you should have skipped high school" | 10:05 |
| kanzure_ | *years and years of psychotherapy involving anger at parents for not letting him skip high school* | 10:05 |
| kanzure_ | yeah, good job paul.. bringing that one up. | 10:05 |
| fenn | reading small book now | 10:20 |
| fenn | i skipped it because it was too long :) | 10:20 |
| fenn | so, what, is he saying we should be talking about "more of the same" patents and other "intellectual property" held by large corporations? | 10:23 |
| fenn | Gee I love Monsanto! yay! | 10:24 |
| fenn | of course we should be pushing in the opposite direction, that's the whole point | 10:24 |
| fenn | i suppose the only way to respond constructively is for it to come from another person (me) | 10:28 |
| kanzure_ | bkero: Thanks for recommending BT2. | 10:47 |
| bkero | kanzure_: bt2? | 10:47 |
| bkero | o yea | 10:47 |
| kanzure_ | Dragon Ball Z Budokai Tenkaichi 2 | 10:47 |
| kanzure_ | Went and picked myself up a boxed set of Super DBZ, BT, BT2. | 10:48 |
| kanzure_ | Don't know what's up with the 'super' disc. Doesn't even seem to work. | 10:48 |
| kanzure_ | fenn: part of Paul's unmentioned point is an attempt to convince other people to "more constructively use their time in other pursuits" | 10:49 |
| kanzure_ | wait, is six sigma == iso 9001 ? | 11:18 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/transhumantech/all.html <- all transhumantech mailing list posts, a dump of the thread.html pages. | 11:33 |
| kanzure_ | (Garret Lisi has requested some "future tech" stuff, so.) | 11:33 |
| fenn | "is six sigma == iso 9001 ?" no | 11:34 |
| fenn | 404 on the actual posting .html files, is that on purpose? | 11:36 |
| kanzure_ | no, I'm fixing | 11:38 |
| kanzure_ | right now I have two files open on my screen | 11:38 |
| kanzure_ | in one, I have a .sh script with wget <thread.html> about 20 times | 11:38 |
| kanzure_ | in the other, I have wget --base=<right url> but then no url to thread.html | 11:38 |
| kanzure_ | how do I combine these two with a regexp or something, instead of manually fixing? | 11:39 |
| kanzure_ | "paste this buffer where each line is appended to the end of any current present lines" | 11:39 |
| fenn | er, like i = <thread.url>; wget $i$line | 11:40 |
| fenn | or do you need to split a url | 11:40 |
| kanzure_ | hold on a sec. | 11:41 |
| fenn | you shouldnt have to use --base at all? | 11:41 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/transhumantech/get_threads.sh | 11:42 |
| fenn | why isnt this available from tt directly already? | 11:42 |
| kanzure_ | well, the urls on pipermail are relative | 11:42 |
| kanzure_ | the threads are, but only for each month individually | 11:42 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/transhumantech/second_file_better.txt | 11:42 |
| kanzure_ | the second one is the one with --base | 11:42 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/transhumantech/get_threads.sh.txt <- the first one I used | 11:43 |
| fenn | ok i see now | 11:43 |
| kanzure_ | now, if I have "wget --base=blah \n <thread.html url>" I can use a "join lines" command | 11:43 |
| kanzure_ | but I don't think I know how to combine files like that | 11:43 |
| kanzure_ | without writing a script | 11:44 |
| fenn | i think that using --base will redirect to postbiota.org | 11:44 |
| kanzure_ | the --base is to set the <BASE HREF=> tag in the HTML doc | 11:44 |
| kanzure_ | so that each thread.html page will link to the actual threads. | 11:44 |
| kanzure_ | erm, actual emails. | 11:44 |
| kanzure_ | instead of to a local heybryan.org file | 11:44 |
| fenn | ah i figured you would just rabidly archive the list as usual :) | 11:45 |
| kanzure_ | well, I probably should | 11:45 |
| fenn | yes | 11:45 |
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| kanzure_ | oh pooh. it's -k that I want | 12:06 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/transhumantech/all.html | 12:08 |
| kanzure_ | okay. there we go. | 12:08 |
| kanzure_ | archives are in that dir too, though | 12:08 |
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| wrldpc | DIYBIO Visits Fab Lab Deleted Scenes 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3Hj-PPbnM0 | 14:28 |
| kanzure_ | s/visits/should live in a/ | 14:29 |
| kanzure_ | You should definitely post the fablab-diybio video links again to the diybio list | 14:31 |
| kanzure_ | hey, I know these people :p | 14:32 |
| kanzure_ | alec made an automated book scanner? | 14:33 |
| fenn | wrldpc: could you explain the way "normal" people go about visiting/accessing the fablabs? | 14:38 |
| fenn | do you just walk in, and that's cool? | 14:39 |
| wrldpc | pretty much | 14:39 |
| wrldpc | the fablabs in Boston have websites and schedules | 14:39 |
| wrldpc | sites w/ schedules | 14:39 |
| wrldpc | for operating hours | 14:39 |
| wrldpc | someone needs to be there of course and they're usually regularly staffed | 14:39 |
| wrldpc | Alec is cool, I'll post these to the list. | 14:41 |
| wrldpc | Mac likes Vimeo | 14:41 |
| kanzure_ | I met Alec in Austin at the last Maker Faire. | 14:41 |
| wrldpc | so I may re-up them there | 14:41 |
| kanzure_ | it was quite random | 14:41 |
| wrldpc | Yeah that's right, didn't they send you a drive or something? | 14:41 |
| kanzure_ | "Hi, I'm Bryan, <blathering on about cool stuff>" | 14:41 |
| kanzure_ | "yeah, I know you Bryan" | 14:41 |
| kanzure_ | "oh shit" | 14:41 |
| wrldpc | hehe | 14:41 |
| kanzure_ | yep, he sent a drive | 14:41 |
| wrldpc | I saw Eagle Eye yesterday | 14:41 |
| wrldpc | finished it this morning. | 14:42 |
| fenn | i think you need to strap the camera to your head | 14:42 |
| wrldpc | Yeah, man. | 14:42 |
| wrldpc | that would be ideal. | 14:42 |
| fenn | at MIT it probably wouldnt be too obtrusive | 14:42 |
| wrldpc | the isight cameras in the macbooks should swivel. | 14:43 |
| fenn | or maybe a camera parrot on your shoulder | 14:43 |
| wrldpc | haha that would be awesome | 14:43 |
| wrldpc | get one of those wowee toys flying insects and slap a cam on it. | 14:43 |
| fenn | i've noticed that birds move their head around when you shake them to keep the field of view constant | 14:43 |
| fenn | so you could have a cybird video parrot | 14:44 |
| wrldpc | i saw that vid! | 14:44 |
| fenn | what vid? | 14:44 |
| kanzure_ | http://about.eyetap.org/library/graphics/v087.jpg | 14:44 |
| wrldpc | a guy holds a chicken | 14:44 |
| wrldpc | hold on | 14:44 |
| kanzure_ | seriously though, that's like "graduating class of MIT '94" ;-) | 14:44 |
| fenn | certainly an eyetap would fit under those gigantic sunglasses :) | 14:45 |
| wrldpc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dPlkFPowCc | 14:45 |
| wrldpc | holy shite that's awesome | 14:45 |
| wrldpc | they look Cannytrophic | 14:45 |
| kanzure_ | also, I like Mac's spontaneous question for me | 14:45 |
| fenn | nice video | 14:46 |
| wrldpc | what question? | 14:47 |
| kanzure_ | the end of that video is good | 14:47 |
| kanzure_ | wrldpc: in the diybio-fablab video, not the out-takes. | 14:47 |
| kanzure_ | "and a question for Bryan Bishop ... hwo far along is the fab lab from replicating itself" | 14:47 |
| kanzure_ | and alec says "this far" | 14:47 |
| wrldpc | ahh yes! | 14:48 |
| wrldpc | ok | 14:48 |
| wrldpc | met this guy tom at the cannytrophic party who works for Gershenfeld. | 14:49 |
| wrldpc | randomly | 14:49 |
| wrldpc | tons of robotics people there .. medialab heads. | 14:50 |
| fenn | is that girl with the long black hair named sophia? | 14:50 |
| wrldpc | yes | 14:50 |
| fenn | i think she is from bloomington | 14:50 |
| kanzure_ | medialab is a weird phenomenon. | 14:51 |
| kanzure_ | why am I not at MIT. wtf is going on here. | 14:51 |
| fenn | srsly | 14:52 |
| fenn | that guy alec is like my clone | 14:52 |
| kanzure_ | I met another guy at the austin robot group who was also like your clone | 14:54 |
| kanzure_ | at least by the photo | 14:54 |
| kanzure_ | but also with similar rants about cad | 14:54 |
| kanzure_ | I asked him if his name was ben :/ | 14:54 |
| fenn | yeah mostly just the ranting topics and mannerisms | 14:54 |
| wrldpc | lol | 14:57 |
| wrldpc | massive influx of funding to help "story tellers" as part of a new initiative to develop and enhance film making technologies in collaboration/association with the new Plymouth Rock movie studio opening in Plymouth, MA. | 14:58 |
| wrldpc | They're calling it "Hollywood East." | 14:58 |
| wrldpc | Bryan, you know there's a place for you here. Austin is huge in terms of Xhumanism though ... it's not like you're not where it is good to be :) | 14:59 |
| kanzure_ | Austin isn't that huge. | 15:01 |
| wrldpc | San Fran is the xhumanist capitol, eh? JPL is recruiting you could go to San Bernardino :D | 15:01 |
| kanzure_ | Our transhumanism group is Max, Natasha, Mike, Aaron, Shannon, Alex, Michael, gene_, .. | 15:01 |
| fenn | jeepers i was just writing about this earlier today: http://aresnick.mit.edu/blog/unbecoming-expert/ | 15:01 |
| kanzure_ | you should quote that in response to emyln. | 15:03 |
| fenn | yep, already doing so | 15:03 |
| kanzure_ | Alec Resnick <aresnick@mit.edu> | 15:05 |
| kanzure_ | wrldpc: did they ever get it? | 15:14 |
| wrldpc | the accreditation? | 15:14 |
| kanzure_ | the package | 15:14 |
| wrldpc | the funding? | 15:14 |
| wrldpc | oh | 15:14 |
| wrldpc | I dunno. | 15:14 |
| kanzure_ | I never got notification, nor any complaints | 15:15 |
| kanzure_ | and I don't want to end up hearing that someone is angry | 15:15 |
| wrldpc | lol | 15:16 |
| wrldpc | don't worry about it? | 15:16 |
| wrldpc | did you get a tracking num? | 15:16 |
| wrldpc | i want to know what's on the drive! :P | 15:16 |
| kanzure_ | most of everything | 15:16 |
| kanzure_ | but especially the 40 GB collection of a special nature | 15:16 |
| wrldpc | oh man | 15:17 |
| kanzure_ | "INTERCEPTED BY FBI" | 15:17 |
| wrldpc | "DIY Earth v2.0" | 15:17 |
| wrldpc | er ... DIY Universe | 15:17 |
| kanzure_ | no, I meant the journal | 15:17 |
| wrldpc | INTERCEPTED BY FBI is a Journal? | 15:17 |
| wrldpc | haha | 15:17 |
| wrldpc | I'm so confused. | 15:17 |
| wrldpc | Does Nature really own PLoS like that? | 15:18 |
| wrldpc | and whatever the name of the other OS journal site is. | 15:18 |
| wrldpc | own as in pwn | 15:19 |
| kanzure_ | doaj? | 15:19 |
| kanzure_ | nature hardly pwns PLoS | 15:20 |
| wrldpc | yah | 15:20 |
| kanzure_ | I was talking with one of the managers for PLoS Biology back in August, they are experiencing ridiculously high levels of growth | 15:20 |
| wrldpc | nice | 15:20 |
| wrldpc | obvious trending upward | 15:20 |
| wrldpc | oh arxiv | 15:20 |
| kanzure_ | arxiv is ancient :) | 15:21 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.pbs.org/newshour/ | 15:21 |
| fenn | PLoS seems more "respectable" than arxiv somehow | 15:21 |
| fenn | i think that's why it has grown | 15:22 |
| kanzure_ | arxiv kind of avoids bio | 15:22 |
| kanzure_ | the only reason nobody talks about arxiv is because the physics community did its job | 15:23 |
| kanzure_ | "hey, we need a preprint archive!" | 15:23 |
| kanzure_ | "ok. here you go." | 15:23 |
| wrldpc | Jim Lehrer ftw. | 15:23 |
| kanzure_ | "we need computers to process these massive datasets!" | 15:23 |
| kanzure_ | "ok. here we go." | 15:23 |
| wrldpc | lol have you ever read the arxivblog? | 15:23 |
| fenn | hmmm supplementary materials to a successful fablab aplyee, this should be useful | 15:23 |
| kanzure_ | yeah, I get crappy emails from arxivblog | 15:23 |
| kanzure_ | fenn: link? | 15:24 |
| wrldpc | lol | 15:24 |
| fenn | http://aresnick.mit.edu/blog/what-ive-done/ | 15:24 |
| fenn | i'm supposed to be putting together this exact thing right now | 15:24 |
| fenn | (deadline is today) | 15:24 |
| fenn | hmm but he has aresnick.mit.edu/medialab in the docs so they can't be exactly what was submitted? | 15:25 |
| fenn | ah nepotism! | 15:26 |
| fenn | http://web.media.mit.edu/~mres/ | 15:26 |
| fenn | damn it all to hell | 15:26 |
| wrldpc | what was the name of those wearable computer glasses with the GPS overlay? | 15:27 |
| wrldpc | GPS capability | 15:27 |
| kanzure_ | fenn: now that's shit. | 15:27 |
| kanzure_ | that's pure shit. | 15:27 |
| fenn | it's not confirmed shit, just a highly probable shit | 15:27 |
| fenn | but anyway alec seems cool | 15:27 |
| wrldpc | yes. | 15:27 |
| wrldpc | nepotism ftl. but alec is cool | 15:28 |
| kanzure_ | but still. why can't *my* dad be employed in the media lab | 15:28 |
| wrldpc | lolyah | 15:28 |
| fenn | celtic poetry is his "courses taken in preparation for graduate study" | 15:29 |
| fenn | surely i can finagle molecular genetics | 15:30 |
| wrldpc | HA | 15:30 |
| kanzure_ | a big thing that MIT was looking for with me was "team work" | 15:30 |
| kanzure_ | esp. in the interview | 15:30 |
| kanzure_ | I cited them hundreds of group projects that I'm on (web stuff) | 15:30 |
| kanzure_ | but they hated it to all hell | 15:30 |
| kanzure_ | it was honestly a let down | 15:31 |
| wrldpc | If you didn't get accepted to MIT, Bryan then fuck MIT. | 15:31 |
| kanzure_ | there's some discrepancy between the behavior that people show at mit (alec, david dalrymple, ed boyden) and the actual admission process | 15:31 |
| wrldpc | I didn't get hired. I interviewed there .. | 15:31 |
| wrldpc | There's a fucking gap between real and bullshit. Pardon my language. | 15:32 |
| wrldpc | I like what Gershenfeld is doing. | 15:32 |
| wrldpc | Alec is trying to do it too .. | 15:32 |
| fenn | why does MIT have such a high concentration of cool people and projects? | 15:32 |
| kanzure_ | we all are, that's not the problem | 15:33 |
| fenn | and why is it so hard to coordinate activities across the net? | 15:33 |
| fenn | i mean most of the stuff they are doing is garage level engineering | 15:33 |
| kanzure_ | the trick is that they are getting funding for the things that we want to do | 15:33 |
| * kanzure_ backs down from a rant | 15:34 | |
| kanzure_ | fenn, could you elaborate on the alternative design that would avoid having to use something like my 'ingredients' class? | 15:40 |
| kanzure_ | when you're done with the paperwork. | 15:40 |
| fenn | from alec's cv (hope this pastes properly) | 15:43 |
| fenn | Creating a web application with the Pylons and Dojo frameworks to make the documentation, | 15:43 |
| fenn | sharing, and enabling of DIY projects an easy and efficient part of building community by | 15:43 |
| fenn | mapping the resources available in a community and helping you find the resources you need to | 15:43 |
| fenn | do the projects you want, whether you need people, expertise, space, or materials. | 15:43 |
| fenn | we need to get him on board :) | 15:43 |
| fenn | well i guess he already is, sorta | 15:45 |
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| kanzure_ | it's probably just a social networking site. | 16:16 |
| fenn | i should probably just make this my homepage (with sufficient tweaking) http://fennetic.net/portfolio/ | 16:46 |
| fenn | captions forthcoming | 16:46 |
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| kanzure_ | not bad. | 17:04 |
| kanzure_ | http://fennetic.net/portfolio/DCP_0637.JPG what's this about? | 17:05 |
| kanzure_ | nevermind | 17:05 |
| fenn | the page is generated from http://fennetic.net/portfolio/portfolio.list | 17:05 |
| fenn | trying to figure out how to embed youtube videos into a table | 17:06 |
| fenn | perhaps not the best way to do it | 17:06 |
| fenn | hmm seems to work: http://fennetic.net/portfolio/test.html | 17:09 |
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| kanzure_ | I think I'll be going to codecon in April. | 17:52 |
| kanzure_ | up in San Francisco. | 17:53 |
| kanzure_ | valleymetal@yahoogroups.com, | 18:02 |
| kanzure_ | mill_drill@yahoogroups.com, | 18:02 |
| kanzure_ | ShumaTech@yahoogroups.com, | 18:02 |
| kanzure_ | hrm, some new groups to join | 18:02 |
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| kanzure_ | news hour is on over here :) | 18:27 |
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| kanzure_ | neat | 18:54 |
| kanzure_ | my mom called me about it .. "why wasn't your name up there" | 18:58 |
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| wrldpc | cool | 19:07 |
| wrldpc | What's up with AI? I understand that is no the primary if at all the focus but I'd like to know what you think. | 19:07 |
| kanzure_ | You mean, what's the latest? | 19:10 |
| kanzure_ | IBM's project funding and the Blue Brain Project are still kind of the highlights for brain emulation or brain simulation work in computational neuroscience | 19:10 |
| kanzure_ | I wonder how long it will take to get this video clip up on youtube | 19:11 |
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| wrldpc | what vid? | 19:53 |
| wrldpc | blue brain? | 19:53 |
| wrldpc | blue brain is Chinese isn't it? Shouldn't it be red brain? ;P | 19:53 |
| wrldpc | I'm sorry. | 20:07 |
| kanzure_ | the vid from pbs | 20:11 |
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| willPow3r | http://www.meetup.com/cities/us/ca/san_diego/groups/science/?radius=25.0 | 21:04 |
| willPow3r | only 2 of these actually are science | 21:04 |
| kanzure_ | UCSD has some neat neurotransceiver research going on :) | 21:07 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.archive.org/images/staff2005.jpg | 21:09 |
| kanzure_ | San Francisco. Not quite San Diego. | 21:09 |
| willPow3r | only a 6 hour drive | 21:10 |
| kanzure_ | They have weekly meetings at a restuarant somewhere for lunch, anyone's allowed to show up. | 21:12 |
| kanzure_ | *poke* fenn? | 22:15 |
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| kanzure_ | hm. maybe we should do an overall portfolio page for open manufacturing and other cc'd/GPL/GFDL licensed content | 23:17 |
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| emlyno | hello | 23:26 |
| emlyno | the secret password is "Bryan sent me" | 23:27 |
| ybit | has the diybio news segment been posted to pbs.org | 23:30 |
| kanzure_ | not yet | 23:35 |
| kanzure_ | Hi emlyno. | 23:35 |
| emlyno | hey there | 23:36 |
| emlyno | someone said "semiotics" in openmanufacturing, and the warning lights are blinking across the board. | 23:43 |
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