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| kanzure | blah? | 09:31 |
| kanzure | Speaking of blunt augmentation of the brain, I wish someone would publish an analysis of "which way to bump your head when you fall so as to become a savant". | 09:32 |
| genehacker | http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19025471.100 | 09:36 |
| genehacker | hook nine volt battery to head | 09:36 |
| genehacker | ??? | 09:36 |
| genehacker | profit! | 09:36 |
| genehacker | hmmm... I have a precision adjustable current regulating power supply, now if I could just get some electrodes | 09:38 |
| kanzure3 | bkero's cheap electrodes: pennies + solder + some contact lotion (shampoo) | 09:39 |
| genehacker | lead free solder? | 09:40 |
| genehacker | well I have to go | 09:40 |
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| bkero | kanzure3: They're REALLY noisy, I've tried it. | 12:54 |
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| genehacker | I think Ellington's testifying at the TEA right now Kanzure | 18:08 |
| nsh | TEA? testifying about what? | 18:23 |
| procto | kanzure3: http://seasteading.org/files/MIandT040_08_R1_Seastead_Exec_Sum.pdf | 18:34 |
| procto | you might find that interesting | 18:34 |
| procto | seasteading institute following through on their pledge to be open | 18:35 |
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| kanzure | genehacker: Ellington does that often. Crusader for evolution education. | 19:03 |
| kanzure | genehacker: But why do you say that? was this in the news recently or something? | 19:03 |
| kanzure | procto: yeah, I was just talking with Patri the other day from the Seasteading Institute. | 19:03 |
| kanzure | but he seemed to just kind of brush me aside- not that it's a big deal or anything, | 19:04 |
| kanzure | but if *you* were approached by *me*, wouldn't you content-dump me or something? not just a "glad to hear" message? | 19:04 |
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| genehacker | I guess you could call it news | 19:13 |
| genehacker | http://at1.tea.state.tx.us/sboeaudio | 19:13 |
| genehacker | Texas state board of education audio livestream | 19:14 |
| genehacker | The Texas State board of education is full of idiots | 19:15 |
| kanzure3 | as a product of Texas secondary public education, I can attest to that | 19:15 |
| genehacker | well I had the best damn biology teacher in the state of Texas | 19:16 |
| kanzure3 | nah, I had that guy. | 19:16 |
| kanzure3 | http://heybryan.org/school/Biology/notes/output.html | 19:16 |
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| kanzure3 | nah, I had that guy. | 19:17 |
| kanzure3 | http://heybryan.org/school/Biology/notes/output.html | 19:17 |
| genehacker | oops | 19:17 |
| genehacker | if my school district had more money, we would 've genetically modified bacteria to glow in the dark | 19:18 |
| kanzure | oh yeah? well *my* school would have took over the world | 19:20 |
| kanzure | if it weren't for those medling kids. | 19:20 |
| genehacker | heh | 19:21 |
| genehacker | btw are you listening to the livestream? | 19:21 |
| kanzure | no | 19:21 |
| kanzure | should I? | 19:21 |
| kanzure | will it make me angry? :( | 19:22 |
| genehacker | lol probably | 19:22 |
| kanzure | this is retarded. I'm in a physics class for some reason, so the homework is on basic derivatives (wtf) | 19:25 |
| kanzure | so it asks me to analyze a graph where you have the option to say that the rate of change is increasing always or if it is increasing and then not | 19:25 |
| kanzure | if you zoom into the graph, | 19:26 |
| kanzure | you clearly see that the pixels at the end make a leveling off | 19:26 |
| kanzure | fuck them. | 19:26 |
| genehacker | yeah I can see why you are bored | 19:26 |
| genehacker | what are you taking again? | 19:31 |
| kanzure | physics, psychology, multivariable calculus, ME205 | 19:32 |
| genehacker | btw, you know if you write a program to crack the unit passwords on ME205, the teacher might let you skip acouple units ;) | 19:32 |
| kanzure | I have to wait until I figure out the URL :( | 19:33 |
| genehacker | you haven't had the class yet? | 19:33 |
| kanzure | nope | 19:33 |
| kanzure | IIRC, no class this first week (I'll double check) | 19:33 |
| kanzure | and even if there is, it's on Friday. | 19:33 |
| genehacker | wait a sec | 19:33 |
| genehacker | http://me205serv.me.utexas.edu/info.html | 19:34 |
| genehacker | page isn't even made yet | 19:34 |
| genehacker | huh, wonder if they changed some things | 19:34 |
| kanzure | hm, the index page gives me an RSS feed | 19:34 |
| kanzure | how considerate of them | 19:34 |
| genehacker | well the professor who runs the class is pretty cool | 19:35 |
| genehacker | he's an XKCD fan | 19:35 |
| kanzure | yay | 19:35 |
| genehacker | and he heads up the robotics program | 19:43 |
| kanzure | huh? | 19:43 |
| kanzure | which one? | 19:43 |
| genehacker | pryor | 19:43 |
| kanzure | no, which robotics program? | 19:44 |
| genehacker | who I think you have | 19:44 |
| genehacker | the one here | 19:44 |
| kanzure | there are many robotics programs though | 19:44 |
| kanzure | there's Kuiper's, for instance, but he's not ME. | 19:44 |
| genehacker | made an automatic surgery robot | 19:44 |
| kanzure | not telerobotic? | 19:44 |
| fenn | ME205 is programming? why is programming in mechanical engineering department? | 19:47 |
| fenn | and why isnt there a standard numbering system for uni classes? | 19:47 |
| kanzure | when I first showed up at the university, I was registered under chemical engineering, so they were going to put me into a chemical engineering programming class in the petro building.. | 19:48 |
| genehacker | I think not | 19:48 |
| kanzure | can we say "yay excel" | 19:48 |
| * kanzure sobs | 19:48 | |
| fenn | yikes | 19:48 |
| kanzure | although genehacker was showing me that he was doin some java for the 205 class last semester | 19:48 |
| kanzure | *doing | 19:49 |
| genehacker | your doing excel? | 19:49 |
| fenn | MATLAB, C, Java.. could be worse i suppose | 19:49 |
| kanzure | fenn: right. | 19:49 |
| kanzure | genehacker: what? No, of course not. | 19:49 |
| fenn | C is a good language to be proficient in, but i bet they just do some hello world crap | 19:49 |
| kanzure | but excel really is just Visual Basic Script, a lighter version of Visual Basic. | 19:49 |
| genehacker | or are you laughing about what I did yesterday | 19:49 |
| kanzure | yeah, I don't know if they go over pointers | 19:49 |
| kanzure | garbage management is probably beyond "ME 205" | 19:50 |
| genehacker | they do | 19:50 |
| kanzure | malloc() yourself to heaven, kids. have fun. | 19:50 |
| genehacker | but they say to just ignore it | 19:50 |
| genehacker | never really got pointers | 19:50 |
| kanzure | it points. | 19:50 |
| kanzure | heh' | 19:50 |
| genehacker | oh yeah | 19:50 |
| fenn | it's a memory address | 19:50 |
| fenn | hm. and the compiler knows what sort of data it points to, which is useful for moving around in arrays and structs | 19:51 |
| kanzure | genehacker: so you said "if you can figure out the unit passwords" | 19:52 |
| genehacker | I think that surgery robot was autonomous, but I can't remember, you might ask him | 19:52 |
| fenn | but if they just included that info with the pointer, C could do lots more at runtime | 19:52 |
| kanzure | does this mean I should write a bruteforce script? | 19:52 |
| genehacker | yeah | 19:52 |
| fenn | dictionary attack | 19:52 |
| kanzure | I looked at the web pages and it looks to me like he's using a generated token on each page load to stop that sort of thing | 19:52 |
| genehacker | no | 19:52 |
| kanzure | so I'll have to do some HTTP-foo I guess. | 19:52 |
| genehacker | you can't use dictionary attack | 19:52 |
| genehacker | it | 19:52 |
| kanzure | why not? | 19:52 |
| fenn | make sure you write it in MATLAB | 19:52 |
| kanzure | ugh | 19:52 |
| genehacker | it's all characters from a-z including caps | 19:53 |
| fenn | rofl | 19:53 |
| kanzure | genehacker: how long? | 19:53 |
| genehacker | I think 6 characters long | 19:53 |
| genehacker | let me check my unit password list | 19:53 |
| kanzure | the server response time is fast, 6 is ok. | 19:53 |
| genehacker | oh, I guess you don't need the unit passwords | 19:54 |
| kanzure | fenn: so when I paid for the internet connection the other day, the $0.37 .. | 19:54 |
| genehacker | because those are just for learning the stuff | 19:54 |
| kanzure | I should have had used a pre-paid credit card. | 19:54 |
| kanzure | I am an idiot. | 19:54 |
| genehacker | why? | 19:54 |
| genehacker | so you could remain untraceable? | 19:54 |
| kanzure | right. | 19:54 |
| genehacker | but if you make your attack noticeable... | 19:55 |
| kanzure | huh? | 19:55 |
| kanzure | no, I mean in general | 19:55 |
| genehacker | then you might get to skip a couple units | 19:55 |
| fenn | should have had used is what tense? | 19:55 |
| genehacker | do you know matlab kanzure? | 19:55 |
| kanzure | genehacker: no, but octave is mostly compatible with matlab, and I know a little bit of octave | 19:56 |
| genehacker | matlab is fucking awesome | 19:56 |
| kanzure | no it's not. | 19:56 |
| genehacker | except that the fact that it's not free | 19:56 |
| kanzure | matlab, mathematica, solidworks, pro/e, autocad, | 19:56 |
| genehacker | have you seen what you can do with it? | 19:56 |
| kanzure | I'll take no part in this indoctrination culture. | 19:56 |
| fenn | apparently the strength of matlab is its libraries | 19:56 |
| kanzure | too bad matlab hasn't gone the way of fortran. | 19:57 |
| kanzure | both are equally engrained in research-culture.. | 19:57 |
| genehacker | matlab has some nifty 3d simulation tools and stuff | 19:59 |
| genehacker | oh wait | 19:59 |
| genehacker | matlab sucks | 19:59 |
| genehacker | it sucks a lot | 19:59 |
| kanzure | what does this mean? "which velocity graph shows the car moving toward the left (otward the origin) at a steady (constant) velocity?" | 20:00 |
| kanzure | the object starts at the origin | 20:00 |
| kanzure | *toward | 20:00 |
| kanzure | so what the fuck is this smoking? | 20:00 |
| kanzure | why am I in this class. haven't I done this enough yet? do I have to be mentally ass-raped for the rest of my life doing the same things over and over again? | 20:01 |
| genehacker | you have to save all your data that you process in matlab has to be saved in the special matlab format | 20:01 |
| fenn | yep pretty much | 20:01 |
| genehacker | yeah | 20:01 |
| genehacker | same with thermo | 20:01 |
| fenn | this is what i finally confirmed my senior year of college | 20:01 |
| kanzure | so who does this benefit, again? | 20:01 |
| genehacker | this is how classes start out, this is why I did a weird dual credit thing | 20:02 |
| fenn | the large number of people who get paid lots of money for what are essentially office jobs | 20:02 |
| kanzure | but their jobs suck.. | 20:02 |
| fenn | yes | 20:02 |
| fenn | they should be replaced with computers immediately | 20:02 |
| kanzure | a few quick scripts and their entire job is automated. | 20:02 |
| genehacker | replace who? | 20:03 |
| nsh- | "do I have to be mentally ass-raped for the rest of my life doing the same things over and over again?" -- unfortunately, yes, that appears to be how society works | 20:03 |
| kanzure | the people that this benefits | 20:03 |
| fenn | university administration | 20:03 |
| fenn | or at least that's where i think the money goes.. hard to be sure | 20:04 |
| kanzure | I was proposing to somebody over lunch the other day the concept of changing the job culture | 20:05 |
| kanzure | the one that has HR demons requiring degrees | 20:05 |
| kanzure | not for myself, but for the future | 20:05 |
| kanzure | some sort of slow, planned strategic culture shift | 20:05 |
| kanzure | (of course, jobs suck anyway, so who cares) | 20:05 |
| genehacker | define HR | 20:07 |
| genehacker | well, um, there are people who blame the economic crisis on the quants | 20:07 |
| kanzure | Lehman Brothers sent me an email about a job position as a quant programmer | 20:08 |
| fenn | "quants"? | 20:08 |
| kanzure | then I realized who Lehman Brothers is/was.. | 20:08 |
| kanzure | quants - quantitative finance types. | 20:08 |
| fenn | um, accountant? | 20:08 |
| kanzure | and then there's quant programmers, who go over financial API information all day it seems. | 20:08 |
| fenn | or actuarial? | 20:08 |
| kanzure | not sure. not my bullshit :/ | 20:08 |
| fenn | wtf is a non-quantitative finance type? "dude we're making tons of money over here!" | 20:09 |
| genehacker | I wish we could make a Magi supercomputer system, so we could solve the whole politics problem | 20:09 |
| kanzure | fenn: marketing, advertisements, .. sounds very non-quantitative to me. | 20:09 |
| kanzure | genehacker: what politics problem | 20:09 |
| fenn | that's called "marketing" not finance | 20:09 |
| genehacker | government | 20:09 |
| kanzure | that's kinda what we're doing | 20:09 |
| kanzure | I mean, I don't mean to word it like that | 20:10 |
| kanzure | but if you've been keeping up on the old openmanufacturing posts, | 20:10 |
| kanzure | the idea of an O'Neill habitat largely makes other governments obsolete | 20:10 |
| fenn | not exactly | 20:10 |
| kanzure | or a sufficiently operational system on the planet | 20:10 |
| genehacker | what making a Magi Supercomputer system just like in Evangelion | 20:10 |
| kanzure | no | 20:10 |
| fenn | it provides extra room for experimentation | 20:10 |
| kanzure | fork() is mainly what I'm thinking of, fenn. | 20:10 |
| genehacker | well what happens when you have wackos who want to blow the thing up? | 20:10 |
| fenn | current governments can't just wither and die without bad human consequences | 20:11 |
| kanzure | genehacker: you have whackos even now.. | 20:11 |
| kanzure | how is that different? | 20:11 |
| fenn | current governments are largely obselete already, but there's nowhere to set up a new government to demonstrate this | 20:11 |
| kanzure | although in this other scenario, you would probably have lots of redundancy, so the whackos would never really win (much) | 20:11 |
| kanzure | unless Eliezer becomes a super god ai and proves how evil ai is | 20:11 |
| fenn | genehacker: please explain how to blow up a 1 mile diameter cylinder | 20:11 |
| genehacker | you blow a sufficiently sized hole in it | 20:12 |
| fenn | how big of a hole? | 20:12 |
| genehacker | you destroy the life support | 20:12 |
| fenn | and where do you get the explosives to do this? | 20:12 |
| genehacker | you make them | 20:12 |
| fenn | i dont think you realize how big of a hole is needed | 20:12 |
| genehacker | you ram a rocket into it | 20:12 |
| fenn | hmm ok maybe | 20:12 |
| genehacker | you monkey wrench the lifesupport | 20:13 |
| fenn | but rockets wouldn't be going anywhere near this thing in practice, so you could just shoot down anything coming too fast | 20:13 |
| fenn | er, wrap a net around it with boosters i guess | 20:13 |
| kanzure | fenn: be careful, it's easier to destroy than to create | 20:13 |
| kanzure | genehacker will win this. redundancy, though. | 20:13 |
| genehacker | why wouldn't you have rockets going into and out of it every so often | 20:13 |
| fenn | well it turns out that space habitats are rather more resistant to destruction than we expect | 20:14 |
| genehacker | I need a change of scenery every now and then | 20:14 |
| kanzure | fenn: yes, but he started off talking about internal whackos | 20:14 |
| fenn | genehacker: because rockets would go to the space port which is part of industrial sector (several km away) | 20:14 |
| fenn | i'm not talking about passenger shuttles | 20:14 |
| genehacker | well if you have rockets at all, rockets can be blown up | 20:15 |
| fenn | again, rockets are on the outside | 20:15 |
| genehacker | blow one up on the outside | 20:15 |
| fenn | that wouldnt do anything | 20:15 |
| genehacker | are you sure? | 20:16 |
| fenn | yes | 20:16 |
| genehacker | how thick are the walls | 20:16 |
| fenn | something like 10cm of glass fiber and a couple meters water | 20:16 |
| fenn | i'm not sure on the numbers though | 20:17 |
| fenn | depends on a lot of things | 20:17 |
| genehacker | only 10 cm of glass fiber? | 20:17 |
| fenn | it's "really strong(tm)" | 20:17 |
| fenn | special water-free lunar glass | 20:17 |
| fenn | >1GPa | 20:17 |
| genehacker | is it impregnated with epoxy | 20:17 |
| fenn | uh, i dunno, maybe? | 20:17 |
| genehacker | well then you can dissolve it with some HF | 20:17 |
| fenn | it's coated in vapor deposited aluminum | 20:18 |
| fenn | is that really the best you can come up with? | 20:18 |
| genehacker | won't make a difference | 20:18 |
| genehacker | might make it shiny | 20:18 |
| fenn | A nonaqueous electrolyte secondary battery comprising: an electrolyte comprising hydrofluoric acid, a battery case made of aluminum or an aluminum alloy, | 20:19 |
| fenn | hmm this makes me think aluminum isnt terribly soluble in HF | 20:19 |
| genehacker | ORLY? | 20:19 |
| fenn | anyway, you're not gonna get enough acid to make a big enough hole to matter | 20:19 |
| fenn | i think they calculated a 1 meter hole had a leakdown time to half pressure of several years | 20:20 |
| genehacker | well you could aim a microwave at it and melt holes in it | 20:20 |
| genehacker | get the glass hot enough and it'll conduct electricity apply electricity and the glass gets hotter | 20:21 |
| fenn | 2.3m hole, 1%/hr leakdown | 20:21 |
| fenn | oops 4.6m diameter, that | 20:21 |
| genehacker | well if you have a war going on for a year, you might have a problem | 20:22 |
| fenn | if you have a war going on you could just nuke the place | 20:22 |
| genehacker | a better method for messing things up would be to release nerve gas | 20:23 |
| fenn | how's that better? | 20:23 |
| genehacker | mess with the biosphere | 20:23 |
| genehacker | or maybe herbicides | 20:23 |
| fenn | ooo scary | 20:23 |
| fenn | hold still or i'm gonna spray roundup~ | 20:23 |
| genehacker | or some biosphere disrupting invasive species | 20:24 |
| genehacker | or genetically engineered super biosphere b gone bacteria | 20:24 |
| kanzure | you have no evidence that there would be a traditional biosphere implementation | 20:24 |
| kanzure | what with in vitro meat, hydroponics, dedicated servers and dedicated batch processing possibilities.. | 20:24 |
| genehacker | pour plant killer in the hydroponics | 20:25 |
| fenn | most agriculture would be grown in much cheaper pods in stationary positions around the habitat | 20:25 |
| genehacker | ok solves that | 20:25 |
| genehacker | lot's of things can go wrong | 20:25 |
| fenn | yes indeed | 20:25 |
| fenn | somehow i think a space habitat would be engineered with proper lifeboats, unlike most cities today | 20:26 |
| fenn | like a neighborhood storm shelter would probably double as a lifeboat | 20:27 |
| genehacker | where you put the habitat | 20:27 |
| genehacker | L1 right? | 20:27 |
| fenn | l4/l5 | 20:27 |
| fenn | or polar lunar orbit seems like a good idea | 20:27 |
| fenn | for smaller habitats | 20:27 |
| genehacker | heh, you could have storms in a space colony? | 20:27 |
| fenn | solar flares | 20:27 |
| genehacker | oh yeah | 20:28 |
| fenn | you could make it rain at the same time so people dont need to be reminded :) | 20:28 |
| genehacker | well you could fill the whole thing up with a layer of water and live on boats | 20:28 |
| kanzure | gravity? | 20:29 |
| fenn | that's a lot of water | 20:29 |
| kanzure | submarines maybe | 20:29 |
| kanzure | but you're already in a submarine, except rated for an atmosphere of 0. | 20:29 |
| fenn | gravity what? | 20:29 |
| genehacker | it would be spinning kanzure | 20:29 |
| kanzure | okay, nevermind | 20:29 |
| fenn | it takes a couple years to spin up | 20:29 |
| genehacker | it would be interesting to have big spheres of water in null g | 20:30 |
| genehacker | floating in a big cylinder | 20:30 |
| fenn | but how would the fish know which way is up? :) | 20:31 |
| genehacker | who said anything about fish? | 20:31 |
| fenn | i did | 20:31 |
| genehacker | fish introduce complications | 20:31 |
| fenn | pff | 20:32 |
| fenn | what good is a big sphere of water without fish | 20:32 |
| genehacker | especially if they're living in a big sphere of water | 20:32 |
| genehacker | fish need air | 20:32 |
| genehacker | you'd have to figure out how to oxygenate the water | 20:33 |
| fenn | water circulators | 20:33 |
| genehacker | if you blow bubbles in it, like we do with fishtanks on earth, you might end up with a big bubble | 20:33 |
| fenn | but anyway, ocean fish seem to do ok | 20:34 |
| genehacker | that might work | 20:34 |
| genehacker | what scifi novel featured that? | 20:34 |
| fenn | ben's dreamland v1.6 | 20:35 |
| genehacker | link? | 20:35 |
| fenn | not published | 20:36 |
| fenn | "a deepness in the sky" featured zero-g parks | 20:36 |
| fenn | it's a pretty realistic description of life in a small space habitat | 20:38 |
| fenn | i should read more vinge.. seems to stick with me | 20:39 |
| genehacker | man we really need a self-replicating lunar factory so things like this can start existing | 20:39 |
| fenn | we really need any kind of space factory | 20:39 |
| fenn | but apparently nasa/esa/whoever is fine with just "space camping" | 20:40 |
| fenn | Find a Camping vacation in Space. Visit Space, take a Camping vacation to Space, and enjoy a Camping trip in Space. | 20:41 |
| fenn | www.tours.com/tours_vacations/space/camping.htm | 20:41 |
| genehacker | You ask me for a hamburger. My attempt to reciprocate is cut brutally short as my body experiences a sudden lack of electrons. Across a variety of hidden dimensions you are dismayed. John Lennon hands me an apple, but it slips through my fingers. I am reborn as an ocelot. You disapprove. A crack echoes through the universe in defiance of conventional physics as cosmological background noise... | 20:41 |
| genehacker | ...shifts from randomness to a perfect A Flat. Children everywhere stop what they are doing and hum along in perfect pitch with the background radiation. Birds fall from the sky as the sun engulfs the earth. You hesitate momentarily before allowing yourself to assume the locus of all knowledge. Entropy crumbles as you peruse the information contained within the universe. A small library in... | 20:41 |
| genehacker | ...Phoenix ceases to exist. You stumble under the weight of everythingness, Your mouth opens up to cry out, and collapses around your body before blinking you out of the spatial plane. You exist only within the fourth dimension. The fountainhead of all knowledge rolls along the ground and collides with a small dog. My head tastes sideways as spacetime is reestablished, you blink back into... | 20:41 |
| genehacker | ...the corporeal world disoriented, only for me to hand you a hamburger as my body collapses under the strain of reconstitution. The universe has reasserted itself. A particular small dog is fed steak for the rest of its natural life. You die in a freak accident moments later, and you soul works at the returns desk for the Phoenix library. You disapprove. Your disapproval sends ripples... | 20:41 |
| genehacker | ...through the inter-dimensional void between life and death. A small child begins to cry as he walks toward the stairway where his father stands. | 20:41 |
| kanzure | hrm, I think fenn copied and pasted from a Google search results page | 20:41 |
| genehacker | weirdest thing I have found on the internet | 20:41 |
| kanzure | he never leaves off an http and leaves on a www :/ | 20:42 |
| kanzure | genehacker: that sounds like Wargasm. | 20:42 |
| genehacker | hmmm? | 20:42 |
| kanzure3 | http://www.intelligenesiscorp.com/goertzel/fiction/wargazm/war6.html | 20:43 |
| fenn | for a while there google put a space between the server and the path | 20:43 |
| kanzure | yes | 20:43 |
| kanzure | I hated that | 20:43 |
| fenn | i just thought the url was funny, it doesn't go anywhere | 20:44 |
| kanzure | I thought it'd be a bot spam generated page thingamajig | 20:44 |
| fenn | maybe they offer horseback riding as well | 20:45 |
| fenn | we need more research on horse space suits! | 20:45 |
| kanzure | no, elephant space suits!! | 20:46 |
| fenn | my first thought was "hey there's no wire going to that antenna!" http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z44/WicketTheEwok/Notty%20Silly%20Random%20Jokes/peeweespacesuitlachappelle.jpg | 20:50 |
| fenn | but obviously there are many technical inaccuracies | 20:51 |
| genehacker | well duh fenn, the antenna is wireless, or has clear conductive traces so as not to interfere with your vision | 20:57 |
| genehacker | well that thing that I posted was from a discussion on what discordianism should do next | 20:58 |
| fenn | The Federation of American Scientists (FAS), recently tested the stability of structures built with the combination of expanded polystyrene (foam), and cement board. This method of building maintains the rigidity needed, yet remains lightweight, so it can withstand earthquakes of magnitude 10. Remarkably, the structure doesn’t require any wood members to create a rigid frame. FAS is in the process of using this method to build an | 21:02 |
| fenn | this sounds like a great way to make a house anywhere | 21:03 |
| kanzure3 | cutoff @ "FAS is in the process of using this method to build a" .. a super star destroyer? | 21:03 |
| fenn | an ‘elegant home’. | 21:03 |
| kanzure3 | I shouldn't have asked, that sucks | 21:03 |
| fenn | not quite as exciting is it | 21:03 |
| kanzure3 | is it a home written in lisp? :/ | 21:03 |
| kanzure3 | (is lisp elegant?) | 21:04 |
| fenn | you'd think The Federation of American Scientists would have more exciting projects wouldnt you? | 21:04 |
| kanzure3 | yes :( | 21:04 |
| fenn | its like they made the atomic bombs and have been sitting on their heels since | 21:04 |
| kanzure3 | not even bucky got many people moving. | 21:04 |
| genehacker | http://img.4chan.org/r9k/res/2856754.html | 21:51 |
| genehacker | heh | 21:51 |
| genehacker | this fake person from the future seems pretty legit to me, wonder if kurzweil's trolling 4chan | 21:51 |
| kanzure | there are a few people that troll teh internets claiming to be from the future | 21:54 |
| kanzure | one guy in particular has been doing it since the 90s | 21:54 |
| fenn | i think the actlab people would like this page http://www.locurto-outcault.com/pages/storyboard1Page.html | 21:56 |
| procto | kanzure: if I was a busy dude in patri's position, I'm pretty sure "glad to hear" would be most likely | 21:57 |
| kanzure | how is it possible to be too busy to give people work to do | 21:57 |
| kanzure | I mean, I'd outsource it anyway, but still. | 21:58 |
| fenn | how exactly "seems pretty legit" | 21:59 |
| fenn | this is the lamest i've read yet | 21:59 |
| kanzure3 | google funding. | 22:00 |
| fenn | re: 4chan future troll, marshall brain certainly wasn't the first to advocate robots and basic income | 22:17 |
| kanzure | These electronic grading systems are kind of fishy. I'm pretty sure my math is right, but then it tells me no. Double check, confirm, it's still a no-go. | 22:22 |
| kanzure | this hasn't really happened all last semester using this same system for multiple classes.. | 22:23 |
| kanzure | it's also possible that I just haven't been so severely wrong | 22:23 |
| ybit | nice inventory list kanzure | 22:24 |
| kanzure | your only now seeing it? :) | 22:24 |
| ybit | heh, yep. was away gathering materials for this charity event that i've been working on for the past 1.5 months | 22:25 |
| fenn | looks like quite an active thread though | 22:25 |
| kanzure | one response from Michel? | 22:26 |
| kanzure | or am I missing something | 22:26 |
| kanzure | or are you talking about seasteading? | 22:26 |
| ybit | that's it | 22:26 |
| kanzure | acceleration = -(0.671)^2 / 4.8 ; initial velocity = 0.671 ; time until velocity halves = 3.5767511 seconds, right? | 22:29 |
| ybit | the seasteading thread "land and capital; invention and automation" is a month old.. | 22:29 |
| kanzure | ybit: not that thread. | 22:29 |
| kanzure | I thought there was a more recent one | 22:29 |
| kanzure | hrm, maybe I didn't send it | 22:29 |
| ybit | ah, you probably mean the "beach scene drawn w/ fluorescent bacteria"? | 22:30 |
| kanzure | ..no. | 22:31 |
| kanzure | hm. | 22:31 |
| ybit | beach, sea... come on! | 22:31 |
| ybit | :) | 22:31 |
| ybit | kde 4.1 uses more sys resources than gnome 2.2* | 22:32 |
| ybit | 24* | 22:32 |
| ybit | ..in their default setups | 22:32 |
| ybit | funtoo.org | 22:33 |
| ybit | "a Gentoo Linux variant ...has its own git-based Portage tree that tracks the upstream Gentoo tree" | 22:34 |
| kanzure | now you can compile the entire history of GNU since 1984, all from the comfort of your last year's model personal computer | 22:36 |
| kanzure | although otherwise interesting. | 22:36 |
| ybit | huh, seems portage already has support to use git instead of rysnc | 22:38 |
| fenn | i meant the future guy thread.. it's updating in real time faster than this channel | 22:40 |
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| fenn | well, it was until i mentioned it.. | 22:43 |
| ybit | future guy? | 22:44 |
| fenn | ^^ 4chan link | 22:45 |
| ybit | http://blog.funtoo.org/2009/01/portage-is-now-git-friendly.html for all you gentooers, if you exist | 22:46 |
| nsh- | that's some dedicated troll-playing | 23:05 |
| fenn | i wonder why seastead's float columns aren't aerodynamic (or hydrodynamic or whatever) | 23:11 |
| genehacker | yeah he really seems very dedicated, wonder if it's part of some marketing campaign | 23:40 |
| genehacker | well you know fenn, I don't think anyone has come up with a nice and stable hydrodynamic design | 23:42 |
| fenn | i think they usually end up writing a book | 23:42 |
| fenn | ffs anything would be more hydrodynamic than square cylinders | 23:42 |
| genehacker | this design might be better | 23:51 |
| genehacker | http://www.oceanstaroec.com/images/giftcatalog/854semi.gif | 23:51 |
| genehacker | http://www.modelshipmaster.com/products/ocean_liners/EirikRaude.jpg | 23:52 |
| genehacker | do seasteads need to be mobile? | 23:53 |
| fenn | more or less | 23:57 |
| fenn | i meant for up/down wave motion though | 23:57 |
| fenn | but ship-shape couldnt hurt either :P | 23:57 |
| genehacker | well you want stability on a seastead, lots of stability | 23:59 |
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